Chicken Shit Marines are going to have to fight after all.
Mr_Darre...@invalid.address
The white flag surrender flag the US Marines has failed in Falluja.
Iraqis don't want the US to surrender they want them to GO HOME.
Zuki
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> The white flag surrender flag the US Marines has failed in Falluja.
> Iraqis don't want the US to surrender they want them to GO HOME.
It seems that you are very uninformed.
Daniel
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> Iraqis don't want the US to surrender they want them to GO HOME.
maybe you should enlist and show them how it's done, kook.
Ask A Different ???????
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> Iraqis don't want the US to surrender they want them to GO HOME.
no, you idiot, a bunch of thugs, fascists, ultra religious fanatics want us
to leave.
how happy will you be if yet another fascist state is allowed to flourish?
Mr_Darre...@invalid.address
Are you saying the Marines aren't going to fight?
Mr_Darre...@invalid.address
wrote:
I'm Canadian. I already share a border with a fascist state.
Winston Smith, American Patriot
>
> The white flag surrender flag the US Marines has failed in Falluja.
> Iraqis don't want the US to surrender they want them to GO HOME.
It's not that the Marines are afraid to fight. In the kennel that is the
U.S. military, these are the pit bulls. They are killing machines. They
definitely will go chest to chest with anyone who believes that they can
take them on. I am afraid of the fully trained U.S. Marine, and you
should be too.
The problem is that we are sending Marines to do a job they are not
trained to do. They are trained to fight wars, not keep the peace.
They are being handcuffed by the rules of engagement, largely because the
rules of engagement are those for peacekeeping, and not for war.
The civilians are in revolt because they see the U.S. as an occupier bent
on stealing oil, and that means the Iraqis are not dumb. Of course,
among the Iraqis are opportunists who hope to replace Saddam, and
certainly to set up an undemocratic state. The Iraqi Governing Council
and the government that takes over at the end of June all kow-tow to the
U.S., and the Iraqis want the U.S. to know that.
Bush should have turned this mess over the U.N. more than 6 months ago,
and you would not see Iraq in open rebellion as you do now. Afghanistan
is not nearly in this condition, or you'd see a casualty list similar to
that of Iraq. And of course, Afghanistan was transferred to U.N. control
which mediated the Karzai chairmanship.
--
Bush supporters beware: ignorance is its own reinforcement.
Bill Bonde ( Not the man who knows everything, just the man who knows the important things )
"Winston Smith, American Patriot" wrote:
>
> Mr_Darre...@invalid.address wrote in inimitable style:
>
> >
> > The white flag surrender flag the US Marines has failed in Falluja.
> > Iraqis don't want the US to surrender they want them to GO HOME.
>
> It's not that the Marines are afraid to fight. In the kennel that is the
> U.S. military, these are the pit bulls. They are killing machines. They
> definitely will go chest to chest with anyone who believes that they can
> take them on. I am afraid of the fully trained U.S. Marine, and you
> should be too.
>
Why? Oh, I forgot, they aren't on your side.
> The problem is that we are sending Marines to do a job they are not
> trained to do. They are trained to fight wars, not keep the peace.
>
Actually, they've had the best luck. Apparently they did better than the
Army in Vietnam too.
> They are being handcuffed by the rules of engagement, largely because the
> rules of engagement are those for peacekeeping, and not for war.
>
> The civilians are in revolt because they see the U.S. as an occupier bent
> on stealing oil, and that means the Iraqis are not dumb.
>
Really? Not dumb? So the US is pouring a hundred billion dollars in aid
into Iraq without demanding that it be paid back, not stealing the oil,
and negotiating restructuring of Iraqi debt. Who could argue against
that?
> Of course,
> among the Iraqis are opportunists who hope to replace Saddam, and
> certainly to set up an undemocratic state.
>
And that is what we are really seeing, people who can't win in an
election figuring that they can rise up and get power beyond their
democratic political clout.
> The Iraqi Governing Council
> and the government that takes over at the end of June all kow-tow to the
> U.S., and the Iraqis want the U.S. to know that.
>
Who should they kow-tow to? That's the question. Would Iraqis prefer
that they kow-tow to the Persians? How about the former Saddam forces?
> Bush should have turned this mess over the U.N. more than 6 months ago,
>
The UN left. The UN does not have the ability to deal with these sorts
of things. They can do very limited peace monitoring more or less.
> and you would not see Iraq in open rebellion as you do now. Afghanistan
> is not nearly in this condition,
>
Because there has been little effort to prevent paramilitary forces from
having de facto control of the countryside. Maybe we should've done that
in Iraq, in some ways we have tried.
> or you'd see a casualty list similar to
> that of Iraq. And of course, Afghanistan was transferred to U.N. control
> which mediated the Karzai chairmanship.
>
The US is operating as it sees fit in Afghanistan and not under UN
control.
Mr_Darre...@invalid.address
<Franz...@Oceania.WhiteHouse.GOV> wrote:
>Mr_Darre...@invalid.address wrote in inimitable style:
>
>>
>> The white flag surrender flag the US Marines has failed in Falluja.
>> Iraqis don't want the US to surrender they want them to GO HOME.
>
>It's not that the Marines are afraid to fight. In the kennel that is the
>U.S. military, these are the pit bulls. They are killing machines. They
>definitely will go chest to chest with anyone who believes that they can
>take them on. I am afraid of the fully trained U.S. Marine, and you
>should be too.
>
I understand this I'm just making a point.
The Marines attack Falluja WITHOUT CAUSE.
The murder of civilians in Iraq is the business of the Iraqi police NOT the US
military.
Then they kill hundreds of Iraqis, most innocent people, and then they fly a
white flag.
Political cowardice.
The attack on Falluja is a war crime.
Everyone involved should be charged and prosecuted.
Hobdbcgv
>trained to do. They are trained to fight wars, not keep the peace.
The problem is more like the draft dodgers in the White House don't
realize that there are different types of troops in the arsenal, and they have
stretched the military too thin - their inabiltiy to lead and manage is the
core problem, and the result is that they put marines in where army occupation
units should be. Those asses are likely to demand the marines change into
pussycats.
The US marines do what they do better than any force on the planet - and
they will retake Falujah - empty or full. It's condition after the battle is
not their job. That mindset would only get in the way of the mission. Their
mindset is that if you would have wanted it whole, you would have called the
army.
And so you are more correct than you know - putting them in as peacekeepers
is akin to hunting duck with a bull alligator as a bird dog-
The marines' purpose in the arsenal is to be first-in shock troops -
attack, assault, overrun, overwhelm, destroy, stun, pile up bodies - leave
utterly friggin chaos on the other side and destroy will - when they leave a
pile of rubble, the army occupies - They are fiercely disciplined in order to
survive in that environment, moving fast, and you are expected to carry all
your own rounds for two days and thus you are not likely to waste a shot for
the hell of it. US marines have historically had around 13 to one kill
ratios, and reports indicate this one is upping the ratio.
The worst of it is yet to come - how the individual units are fighting in
Falujah is perfectly appropriate to a marines' task - but it sure as hell is
not proper for a friendly country's city -
Word from reporters with the field troops and with the iraqis inside is
that the marines have killed over 280 Iraqis so far - mostly killed by marine
snipers, and anyone carrying a weapon gets killed first and they ask him about
it later - and I will guarantee you that given the marines' normal task and
their required fire disipline, and the time in this firefight, they didn't idly
shoot anyone, and not kids or women unless they were carrying a weapon, or
carrying a satchel and running at them.
Word was 24 hours of steady fire, stopping only to get more ammunition -
and they will kill anyone with a weapon, in shifts, until they break the will
of Falujah or leave every one of our iraqi once-friends in falujah dead or
someone says cease fire. That is just what they do.
(To illustrate what they do and how they have thought compared to the rest
of the US - they were used to quell a domestic riot in the northeast in the
1920s or 30s, they killed 20-29 people and they were shocked at the reaction
because they had accomplished the mission - shut down the riot.
After that, the veteran-loaded Congress decided there was a need for shock
troops and so instead of changing their training, they passed a law banning the
marines from being used domestically in other than armed resurrection - the ban
lasted into the 80's I think. )
If the theorists in the White House don't end up with a bloodbath on this
one, it'll be a miracle.
Mens sana
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Oh come on Bonde! Even you can't be that fuckin' stupid.
MS.
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Mens sana
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> Iraqis don't want the US to surrender they want them to GO HOME.
Yes. Amazing though it sounds, Sky News reported earlier that a few poorly
armed Iraqi resistance fighters brought the USMC to a standstill in
Fallujah.
Some Grupenfuhrer from the Marines explained how they hadn't been routed by
the resistance. It's just a changed posture apparently.
He was very convincing. No really he was. Took me nearly 15 seconds to burst
my hole laughing at how a handful of resistance could bring the mighty
United States Murder Corp to change posture from Mosque levelling to legging
it.
Mens sana.
Bill Bonde ( Not the man who knows everything, just the man who knows the important things )
Is there something that I said that you can actually refute?
Lord Howard Hurts
SAY NEVER bad mouth our troops...The problem lies with this dickhead
president, not the troops...
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Mens sana
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"A hundred billion dollars in aid into Iraq"
(1) The US ought to be paying reparations for the destruction wrought by
Bush I, Clinton and Bush II. The word aid suggests some sort of generosity
that's entirely absent in this relationship. (2) How much of this money is
going to Bush supporters in the form of "no bid" contracts?
"Not stealing the oil"
(1) Herr Brenner is daily selling, or giving away the assets of the Iraqi
people. Just because you don't see tankers leaving the Gulf for the US
doesn't mean you haven't stolen oil.
(2) How low has Bush brought America that even one of his supporters
accounts it a positive thing that the US isn't stealing oil?
"Restructuring debt".
As Saddam was a contemptible despot, all contracts negotiated with his
regime should be vacated not restructured. If those who trade with tyrants
get their pockets burned when the tyrant falls, they might seek a better
class of client.
Mens sana.
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Aaron Hirshberg
The subject of this posting is a pile of crap. "Chicken Shit Marines"
is the oxymoron of oxymorons. There is no such thing. Don't blame
the Marines for any disagreement you have with Bush's foreign policy.
I despise the entire Bush Crime Family, but I have the highest level
of respect for the US armed forces. It is a damned shame that they
are being used as cannon fodder to advance the interests of the
Carlyle Group.
When the US is really is a REAL JAM, and our country is REALLY
threatened, not just this pissing contest between corrupt, wealthy
interests in the USA and the middle east, the military will come
through with honor and elan, and we will all be very proud of them.
Aaron Hirshberg
Ken Moore
>The subject of this posting is a pile of crap. "Chicken Shit Marines"
>is the oxymoron of oxymorons. There is no such thing. Don't blame
>the Marines for any disagreement you have with Bush's foreign policy.
OK, I blame the Marines for the war crimes they are committing every day in
Falluja.
The Marines in Iraq are acting like animals. Instead of not counting the
innocent Iraqis they are murdering we should stop counting dead Marines.
Why count garbage, right?
gimmeabreak
bah ah ah ahhahahaa a a a.. now THAT'S funny!!!.. especially when
it's this "fascist state" that's not only YOUR useless little snobby
country's BIGGEST trading partner, but this "fascist state" that keeps
YOUR useless little snobby country's ass safe.
you remind of the little kid who runs around mouthing off to others,
only to tuck tail and hide under Mommie's skirt when the going gets
tough.
but that's OK, America prides itself on helping those in need and are
unable to fend for themselves - we got your back, buddy!.
ob
Richard
> The white flag surrender flag the US Marines has failed in Falluja.
> Iraqis don't want the US to surrender they want them to GO HOME.
You wouldn't like to see the result if Bush simply gave
free reign to the military. There wouldn't be a raghead
left alive in all of Iraq. Not a bad thing, when you
consider it.
-Rich
james
Richard <rande...@rogers.com> wrote:
>Not a bad thing, when you
>consider it.
When you consider what? That murder is acceptable, so long as those
murdered don't include yourself, people you know, people of your
ethnicity?
jeric...@ehmail.com
>> I'm Canadian. I already share a border with a fascist state.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>bah ah ah ahhahahaa a a a.. now THAT'S funny!!!.. especially when
>it's this "fascist state" that's not only YOUR useless little snobby
>country's BIGGEST trading partner, but this "fascist state" that keeps
>YOUR useless little snobby country's ass safe.
LOL!
Safe from who?
The ONLY country to attack Canada was the US, and we kicked your ass.
gimmeabreak
<sigh>.. you know, 'jj', this is my fault. of course i thought that
some poor soul may try to defend Canada's "military" position, or lack
of one, in any real wartime situation - and had actually suffixed my
comment with, "..like anyone would WANT to invade Canada.", but then,
no.
surely anyone lacking in the mental capacity to understand the
complete absurdity in forcing the issue wouldn't be able to
simulteniously walk and chew gum, much less posses the ability to
operate a computer - yet, there you are.
i salute you 'jj'! for overcoming an obviously severe mental
disability - i also congratulate you for overcoming any reservations
about publicly displaying your mental disorder. you're exactly the
type of person i've come to expect from Canada; and i now better
appretiate the miraculous advances in Canadian Medicine!
good luck 'jj', and keep a stiff upper lip - remember, We got your
back!
ob.. ok, i was bored.
Aaron Hirshberg
What the hell are you talking about? In Falluja, the Marines are
attacked by people wearing civilian clothes! What do you expect them
to do? How in the hell did you twist this around to "stop counting
dead Marines" in less than one small paragraph? If you are opposed to
the war, why are you criticizing the Marines? Criticize Bush!
Aaron Hirshberg
America
>... In Falluja, the Marines are
>attacked by people wearing civilian clothes! What do you expect them
>to do? ...
Quit attacking innocent civilians on their own doorsteps ...