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DVH

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May 15, 2013, 3:59:19 AM5/15/13
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Britain was once a paradise in which men treated women as equals, rarely
emitted homophobic slurs, and were comfortable talking about their emotions.

Now, we've become a hellhole of misogyny and machismo.

Commenters blame Thatcher.

"Britain is facing a "crisis of masculinity", with rapid economic change
warping male identity and encouraging machismo and misogyny, the Labour
MP Diane Abbott will claim on Thursday.

The shadow public health minister will say in her speech that
unemployment and the economic downturn risks creating a generation of
disaffected young men, fuelling homophobia, machismo and misogyny.

She will also say men are failing to discuss the problems they face.
"It's all become a bit like the film Fight Club � the first rule of
being a man in modern Britain is that you're not allowed to talk about it."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/may/14/male-identity-crisis-machismo-abbott

Dis Manibus

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May 15, 2013, 4:02:02 AM5/15/13
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"DVH" <d...@vhvhvhvh.com> wrote in message
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> Britain was once a paradise in which men treated women as equals, rarely
> emitted homophobic slurs, and were comfortable talking about their
> emotions.

This'll be the 50's, then? :)

> Now, we've become a hellhole of misogyny and machismo.
>
> Commenters blame Thatcher.
>
> "Britain is facing a "crisis of masculinity", with rapid economic change
> warping male identity and encouraging machismo and misogyny, the Labour MP
> Diane Abbott will claim on Thursday.
>
> The shadow public health minister will say in her speech that unemployment
> and the economic downturn risks creating a generation of disaffected young
> men, fuelling homophobia, machismo and misogyny.
>
> She will also say men are failing to discuss the problems they face. "It's
> all become a bit like the film Fight Club � the first rule of being a man

Andy Wainwright

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May 15, 2013, 5:03:04 AM5/15/13
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Sure, Abbott has made plenty of political gaffes, but a very intelligent
women all the same.

These days, men's equality is held back by their own sex as opposed to
the opposite, ditto women's.

Most homophobic abuse is levied at men in touch with their feminity as
opposed to actually gay. Similarly the insults such as "slut" and "slag"
tend to come from other women.

Male adult interest magazines have gone down hill, again a similar story
with the "take a shit" type women's mags. Would be nice if they'd print
some attractive women who actually did something other than get their
kit off, and chat magazines printed some stories about the love lives of
blokes who weren't all psychopathic sex cases. Getting ahead in media
these days seems to be about just copying crap, doesn't seem to be any
money in the slightest bit of originality.

I'm not sure things were much better in real life in the 1990s, in some
cases worse though. A different crowd seem to have infiltrated popular
culture though, music, magazines, TV and the like who seem to be rather
shallow and vain. I'd say there's less ethnic segregation these days for
example, but the media portrays more.

Thank fuck for Viz, Private Eye and suchlike.

Dry Gulch Pete

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May 15, 2013, 5:07:08 AM5/15/13
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"DVH" <d...@vhvhvhvh.com> wrote in message
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> Britain was once a paradise in which men treated women as equals, rarely
> emitted homophobic slurs, and were comfortable talking about their
> emotions.
>
> Now, we've become a hellhole of misogyny and machismo.
>
> Commenters blame Thatcher.
>
> "Britain is facing a "crisis of masculinity", with rapid economic change
> warping male identity and encouraging machismo and misogyny, the Labour MP
> Diane Abbott will claim on Thursday.
>
> The shadow public health minister will say in her speech that unemployment
> and the economic downturn risks creating a generation of disaffected young
> men, fuelling homophobia, machismo and misogyny.
>
> She will also say men are failing to discuss the problems they face. "It's
> all become a bit like the film Fight Club � the first rule of being a man
> in modern Britain is that you're not allowed to talk about it."
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/may/14/male-identity-crisis-machismo-abbott

It was always thus in England - the abolition of corporal punishment in
school engendered a lack of respect which blights society today - if
Thatcher was responsible for that, then she *is* to blame.

Abbott would not concur with the school theory! :D

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abelard

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May 15, 2013, 5:09:14 AM5/15/13
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On Wed, 15 May 2013 08:59:19 +0100, DVH <d...@vhvhvhvh.com> wrote:

>Britain was once a paradise in which men treated women as equals, rarely
>emitted homophobic slurs, and were comfortable talking about their emotions.
>
>Now, we've become a hellhole of misogyny and machismo.
>
>Commenters blame Thatcher.
>
>"Britain is facing a "crisis of masculinity", with rapid economic change
>warping male identity and encouraging machismo and misogyny, the Labour
>MP Diane Abbott will claim on Thursday.
>
>The shadow public health minister will say in her speech that
>unemployment and the economic downturn risks creating a generation of
>disaffected young men, fuelling homophobia, machismo and misogyny.
>
>She will also say men are failing to discuss the problems they face.
>"It's all become a bit like the film Fight Club � the first rule of
>being a man in modern Britain is that you're not allowed to talk about it."
>
>http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/may/14/male-identity-crisis-machismo-abbott

she must be an undiscovered genius...

what's 'fight club'?

as if every right thinking fellow didn't thump his wife on returning
from work and pub...wimmin knew their place...
now socialism garnishes half of all men's wages and gives it to wimmin
direct...

before wimmin had to make the tea...and a few other onerous tasks
in order to get paid...now wimmin are not oppressed like that
any more...

some foolish men wrongfully object...the real answer is to garnish
the rest of their wages and give that to diane as well....

i blame maggie thatcher for not doing it while she had the chance...

Bill

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May 15, 2013, 5:10:49 AM5/15/13
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On Wed, 15 May 2013 10:07:08 +0100, "Dry Gulch Pete"
<paci...@btopenworld.com> wrote:

- the abolition of corporal punishment in
>school engendered a lack of respect which blights society today -

I don't for one minute imagine you've any proof of that remarkable
assertion.

Do you?

Bill

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May 15, 2013, 5:18:13 AM5/15/13
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On Wed, 15 May 2013 11:09:14 +0200, abelard <abel...@abelard.org>
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>what's 'fight club'?

A kinematic entertainment.

Ophelia

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May 15, 2013, 5:10:17 AM5/15/13
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Not in my house ;o)

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Dis Manibus

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May 15, 2013, 5:27:52 AM5/15/13
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"abelard" <abel...@abelard.org> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 15 May 2013 08:59:19 +0100, DVH <d...@vhvhvhvh.com> wrote:
>
>>Britain was once a paradise in which men treated women as equals, rarely
>>emitted homophobic slurs, and were comfortable talking about their
>>emotions.
>>
>>Now, we've become a hellhole of misogyny and machismo.
>>
>>Commenters blame Thatcher.
>>
>>"Britain is facing a "crisis of masculinity", with rapid economic change
>>warping male identity and encouraging machismo and misogyny, the Labour
>>MP Diane Abbott will claim on Thursday.
>>
>>The shadow public health minister will say in her speech that
>>unemployment and the economic downturn risks creating a generation of
>>disaffected young men, fuelling homophobia, machismo and misogyny.
>>
>>She will also say men are failing to discuss the problems they face.
>>"It's all become a bit like the film Fight Club - the first rule of
>>being a man in modern Britain is that you're not allowed to talk about
>>it."
>>
>>http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/may/14/male-identity-crisis-machismo-abbott
>
> she must be an undiscovered genius...

It's completely escaped my notice, too.

> what's 'fight club'?

It's an American film whose main theme is an underground bare-knuckle
fighting club, where stressed-out city types relieve their tensions by
getting together and knocking seven shades of shite out of each other, when
the working day is over. As the film develops, and you know what signs and
gestures to look for, it becomes clear that it's very widespread. I don't
think she's actually saying life is like that, but the film does have a
prominent quote which she lifted from it - 'The first rule of Fight Club
is... You don't talk about Fight Club'. I guess she used that particular
reference so that she could show that she was 'in touch with the common man
(or person, if you prefer)', and all that. But not a bad film, really.

abelard

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May 15, 2013, 6:03:36 AM5/15/13
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On Wed, 15 May 2013 10:27:52 +0100, "Dis Manibus" <d...@manibus.com>
wrote:
thank you both for 'widening' my education!

> As the film develops, and you know what signs and
>gestures to look for, it becomes clear that it's very widespread. I don't
>think she's actually saying life is like that, but the film does have a
>prominent quote which she lifted from it - 'The first rule of Fight Club
>is... You don't talk about Fight Club'. I guess she used that particular
>reference so that she could show that she was 'in touch with the common man
>(or person, if you prefer)', and all that. But not a bad film, really.

yeah, she a professional tokenist...

Catweazel

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May 15, 2013, 6:54:12 AM5/15/13
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On May 15, 8:59 am, DVH <d...@vhvhvhvh.com> wrote:
> Britain was once a paradise in which men treated women as equals, rarely
> emitted homophobic slurs, and were comfortable talking about their emotions.
When was that then?

> Now, we've become a hellhole of misogyny and machismo.
ah-huh; isn't just the very thing the media feministas want to
portray?

> Commenters blame Thatcher.
Cobblers.
>
> "Britain is facing a "crisis of masculinity", with rapid economic change
> warping male identity and encouraging machismo and misogyny, the Labour
> MP Diane Abbott will claim on Thursday.
> The shadow public health minister will say in her speech that
> unemployment and the economic downturn risks creating a generation of
> disaffected young men, fuelling homophobia, machismo and misogyny.
Phew! and there was me thinking that it was in some part due to the
misandry propaganda
dished out by the feministas in the mainstream/ visual media.

>
> She will also say men are failing to discuss the problems they face.
> "It's all become a bit like the film Fight Club the first rule of
> being a man in modern Britain is that you're not allowed to talk about it."

Never heard of "Fight Club" but if it perpetuates the view that all
men are violent nasty brutes,
then that view can only serve to re-inforce and establish the views
and punditry of aforementioned feministas.

€0.02.

Hotblack Desiato

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May 15, 2013, 12:51:58 PM5/15/13
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"DVH" wrote in message news:51934056$0$4752$862e...@ngroups.net...

>Britain was once a paradise in which men treated women as equals, rarely
>emitted homophobic slurs, and were comfortable talking about their
>emotions.
>
>Now, we've become a hellhole of misogyny and machismo.
>
>Commenters blame Thatcher.
>
>"Britain is facing a "crisis of masculinity", with rapid economic change
>warping male identity and encouraging machismo and misogyny, the Labour MP
>Diane Abbott will claim on Thursday.
>
>The shadow public health minister will say in her speech that unemployment
>and the economic downturn risks creating a generation of disaffected young
>men, fuelling homophobia, machismo and misogyny.

I'd largely blame 3rd wave Feminism for much of this. And let's also not
forget disaffected young women who equally, are no longer sure what the fuck
to do, as in many cases their unconscious is telling them one thing, and
society the exact opposite. Patriarchy, and men in general, are being held
responsible for this, fuelling yet more violent feminist propaganda such as
the SCUM manifesto, outright misandry, a desire for all but eradicating men
from planet Earth, and the treatment of them as little better than
disposable utilities.

Both sides have been thoroughly greased over by what are largely, feminist
lies. The 3rd wave doesn't want equality, it wants nothing less than the
destruction of men and our media seems rather happy to support them.

Dry Gulch Pete

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"Bill" <black...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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That's what I think - can't prove it! :)

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Bill

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May 15, 2013, 6:24:02 PM5/15/13
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On Wed, 15 May 2013 23:08:44 +0100, "Dry Gulch Pete"
<paci...@btopenworld.com> wrote:

>"Bill" <black...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:g7k6p8hbjd3i7rjdr...@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 15 May 2013 10:07:08 +0100, "Dry Gulch Pete"
>> <paci...@btopenworld.com> wrote:
>>
>> - the abolition of corporal punishment in
>>>school engendered a lack of respect which blights society today -
>>
>> I don't for one minute imagine you've any proof of that remarkable
>> assertion.
>>
>> Do you?
>
>That's what I think - can't prove it! :)

And were you flogged as a child?

Dry Gulch Pete

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"Bill" <black...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Many times, lol - I mostly deserved it and was very entertained when others
were flogged!
One time, though, I was very angry and 'had at' the offending teacher's bike
tyre with my compass!

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Bill

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On Wed, 15 May 2013 23:40:50 +0100, "Dry Gulch Pete"
<paci...@btopenworld.com> wrote:

>"Bill" <black...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:jn28p8lnt2vpnke40...@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 15 May 2013 23:08:44 +0100, "Dry Gulch Pete"
>> <paci...@btopenworld.com> wrote:
>>
>>>"Bill" <black...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:g7k6p8hbjd3i7rjdr...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Wed, 15 May 2013 10:07:08 +0100, "Dry Gulch Pete"
>>>> <paci...@btopenworld.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> - the abolition of corporal punishment in
>>>>>school engendered a lack of respect which blights society today -
>>>>
>>>> I don't for one minute imagine you've any proof of that remarkable
>>>> assertion.
>>>>
>>>> Do you?
>>>
>>>That's what I think - can't prove it! :)
>>
>> And were you flogged as a child?
>
>Many times, lol - I mostly deserved it and was very entertained when others
>were flogged!

So you admit to obtaining pleasure from watching people being
physically punished.

I think that more or less disqualifies you from any part in the
process.

>One time, though, I was very angry and 'had at' the offending teacher's bike
>tyre with my compass!

Now imagine what happens when 'Knuckles MacNasty' gets punished
unjustly...

If he's safely locked away somewhere he isn't a problem, if he's out
with a sore head and looking for revenge then you may just have a
problem...

Dry Gulch Pete

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"Bill" <black...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 15 May 2013 23:40:50 +0100, "Dry Gulch Pete"
> <paci...@btopenworld.com> wrote:
>
>>"Bill" <black...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:jn28p8lnt2vpnke40...@4ax.com...
>>> On Wed, 15 May 2013 23:08:44 +0100, "Dry Gulch Pete"
>>> <paci...@btopenworld.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Bill" <black...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:g7k6p8hbjd3i7rjdr...@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Wed, 15 May 2013 10:07:08 +0100, "Dry Gulch Pete"
>>>>> <paci...@btopenworld.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> - the abolition of corporal punishment in
>>>>>>school engendered a lack of respect which blights society today -
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't for one minute imagine you've any proof of that remarkable
>>>>> assertion.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you?
>>>>
>>>>That's what I think - can't prove it! :)
>>>
>>> And were you flogged as a child?
>>
>>Many times, lol - I mostly deserved it and was very entertained when
>>others
>>were flogged!
>
> So you admit to obtaining pleasure from watching people being
> physically punished.

The whole Class did!

> I think that more or less disqualifies you from any part in the
> process.

<g>

>>One time, though, I was very angry and 'had at' the offending teacher's
>>bike
>>tyre with my compass!
>
> Now imagine what happens when 'Knuckles MacNasty' gets punished
> unjustly...

Knuckles would have righteous indignation!

> If he's safely locked away somewhere he isn't a problem, if he's out
> with a sore head and looking for revenge then you may just have a
> problem...

except, having been flogged at school, Knuckles might have become the local
vicar or a Samaritan!

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Bill

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On Thu, 16 May 2013 02:01:26 +0100, "Dry Gulch Pete"
<paci...@btopenworld.com> wrote:

>"Bill" <black...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:d548p8p4l3ctkdp95...@4ax.com...

>> So you admit to obtaining pleasure from watching people being
>> physically punished.
>
>The whole Class did!
>
>> I think that more or less disqualifies you from any part in the
>> process.
>
><g>
>
>>>One time, though, I was very angry and 'had at' the offending teacher's
>>>bike
>>>tyre with my compass!
>>
>> Now imagine what happens when 'Knuckles MacNasty' gets punished
>> unjustly...
>
>Knuckles would have righteous indignation!

Now ask yourself how Knuckles' righteous indignation would manifest
itself...

>
>> If he's safely locked away somewhere he isn't a problem, if he's out
>> with a sore head and looking for revenge then you may just have a
>> problem...
>
>except, having been flogged at school, Knuckles might have become the local
>vicar or a Samaritan!

Did that ever work when we physically attacked children in schools
with sticks as a matter of policy?

Dry Gulch Pete

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"Bill" <black...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 16 May 2013 02:01:26 +0100, "Dry Gulch Pete"
> <paci...@btopenworld.com> wrote:
>
>>"Bill" <black...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:d548p8p4l3ctkdp95...@4ax.com...
>
>>> So you admit to obtaining pleasure from watching people being
>>> physically punished.
>>
>>The whole Class did!
>>
>>> I think that more or less disqualifies you from any part in the
>>> process.
>>
>><g>
>>
>>>>One time, though, I was very angry and 'had at' the offending teacher's
>>>>bike
>>>>tyre with my compass!
>>>
>>> Now imagine what happens when 'Knuckles MacNasty' gets punished
>>> unjustly...
>>
>>Knuckles would have righteous indignation!
>
> Now ask yourself how Knuckles' righteous indignation would manifest
> itself...

Knuckles could've 'had at' Teacher's bike tyres, or, as an alternative,
kidnapped the bastard, cut off his nuts and thrown them to the dogs!

>>
>>> If he's safely locked away somewhere he isn't a problem, if he's out
>>> with a sore head and looking for revenge then you may just have a
>>> problem...
>>
>>except, having been flogged at school, Knuckles might have become the
>>local
>>vicar or a Samaritan!
>
> Did that ever work when we physically attacked children in schools
> with sticks as a matter of policy?

Yes, we learned respect - ask someone from that era, young man! :)

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Bill

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On Fri, 17 May 2013 09:46:33 +0100, "Dry Gulch Pete"
<paci...@btopenworld.com> wrote:

>"Bill" <black...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:k4b9p8t6t3arfdu7v...@4ax.com...

>> Did that ever work when we physically attacked children in schools
>> with sticks as a matter of policy?
>
>Yes, we learned respect - ask someone from that era, young man! :)

If you'd been paying attention you'd know I am from that era and was
hit with a stick.

I retain an abiding contempt for the man who hit me.

As for the perverts and assorted inadequates who hit me with slippers,
blackboard erasers and the like, they remain in my memory as
inadequate perverts with serious social issues.

Dry Gulch Pete

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"Bill" <black...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 17 May 2013 09:46:33 +0100, "Dry Gulch Pete"
> <paci...@btopenworld.com> wrote:
>
>>"Bill" <black...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:k4b9p8t6t3arfdu7v...@4ax.com...
>
>>> Did that ever work when we physically attacked children in schools
>>> with sticks as a matter of policy?
>>
>>Yes, we learned respect - ask someone from that era, young man! :)
>
> If you'd been paying attention you'd know I am from that era and was
> hit with a stick.
>
> I retain an abiding contempt for the man who hit me.

There was one I resented, but got some pleasure on the last day at school
when I said to Steve, "There's Mr Rogerson! Let's say goodbye to him!" and
Rogerson seemed to run away from us (or walk fast) - he only stopped when he
found another teacher- the very one whose tyre I punctured, lol!

> As for the perverts and assorted inadequates who hit me with slippers,
> blackboard erasers and the like, they remain in my memory as
> inadequate perverts with serious social issues.

Poor teachers by the sound of it.

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Bill

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On Fri, 17 May 2013 22:10:53 +0100, "Dry Gulch Pete"
<paci...@btopenworld.com> wrote:

>"Bill" <black...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> As for the perverts and assorted inadequates who hit me with slippers,
>> blackboard erasers and the like, they remain in my memory as
>> inadequate perverts with serious social issues.
>
>Poor teachers by the sound of it.

Very.

Almost invariably WWII veterans who thought that the world owed them a
living and they therefore didn't intend to do any work ever again.
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