'Islamic' art banned from show
Dave'n'Alias
of those who follow the Islamic faith.....
Shame it was banned, I would give it more exposure....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2757743.stm
Two Islamic-themed artworks have been banned from an exhibition amid fears
they could cause offence.
The digitally manipulated images show a veiled Statue of Liberty clutching
the Koran and the Houses of Parliament converted into a mosque.
Steve Morris
Who were the artists?
The article doesn't seem to provide that information.
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hognoxious
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Representative art is unislamic.
Perhaps more people would respect muslims if they knew and obeyed the tenets
of their own religion, rather than using it as an excuse.
Steve Morris
<hognoxio...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>"Dave'n'Alias" <davenalias*nospam*@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:b2gjo9$1ckur4$1...@ID-163212.news.dfncis.de...
>> Its only art, call it what you like, but it shows the true intention of
>many
>> of those who follow the Islamic faith.....
>>
>> Shame it was banned, I would give it more exposure....
>>
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2757743.stm
>>
>> Two Islamic-themed artworks have been banned from an exhibition amid fears
>> they could cause offence.
>>
>> The digitally manipulated images show a veiled Statue of Liberty clutching
>> the Koran and the Houses of Parliament converted into a mosque.
>
>Representative art is unislamic.
Exactly, so who are the artists?
>Perhaps more people would respect muslims if they knew and obeyed the tenets
>of their own religion, rather than using it as an excuse.
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Steve Morris
hognoxious
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> >> Two Islamic-themed artworks have been banned from an exhibition amid
fears
> >> they could cause offence.
> >>
> >> The digitally manipulated images show a veiled Statue of Liberty
clutching
> >> the Koran and the Houses of Parliament converted into a mosque.
> >
> >Representative art is unislamic.
>
> Exactly, so who are the artists?
FIIK, does my nick say 'hognoxious' or does it say 'culture minister for
Walsall'.
Steve Morris
In order to deceptively score some cheap points, you were implying, in a
denigratory manner, that muslims produced this work.
Just the sort of behaviour that would make you suitable for the culture
minister's job that you crave, in that sour grape way you have.
My question was meant to suggest the possibility that non-muslims produced
this work, possibly to cause friction.
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Steve Morris
Jerr...@webtv.net
Re: 'Islamic' art banned from show
Group: alt.politics.british Date: Thu, Feb 13, 2003, 9:29pm (CST+6)
From: morr...@hotmail.com (Steve Morris)
Yeah, Steve, I have it on good authority that the works of art were
actually produced by creative Mossad agents provacateurs in an attempt
to futher inflame passions against Islam. They, of course, posed as
Arabs repete with terry cloth head gear, holding copies of the Qur'an
whilst uttering "Allah akbar" and "jihad is good for the soul" upon
presentation. As no one checked them for tell tale circumscision marks,
no one was any the wiser.
Just thought I'd provide you with more grist for your conspiracy
mill;-).
Count Dracula
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will cause offence as far as I'm concerned.
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The Enlightenment
If you knew anything about this religion (and didn't blot out from your
mind what didn't conform to the multicultural dreamworld ) you would
know that the islamification of the world by various means
and the various nations is the duty of all muslims.
They have always succeded with the exception of places like the
Balkans and Greece where the non-muslim community developed
an intense ethnic consciousness to resist assimilation.
Do you know what a Dhimmi is?
http://www.dhimmi.com/
Steve Morris
<bern...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>> In order to deceptively score some cheap points, you were implying, in a
>> denigratory manner, that muslims produced this work.
>> Just the sort of behaviour that would make you suitable for the culture
>> minister's job that you crave, in that sour grape way you have.
>>
>> My question was meant to suggest the possibility that non-muslims produced
>> this work, possibly to cause friction.
>
>If you knew anything about this religion (and didn't blot out from your
>mind what didn't conform to the multicultural dreamworld ) you would
>know that the islamification of the world by various means
>and the various nations is the duty of all muslims.
Nothing new there.
When I was a kid in a catholic school we were taught that only catholics
would go to heaven and that it was our duty to save people by getting them
to convert to catholicism. Over time the catholic church has used some
extreme means in various parts of the world to assert itself.
What about the imposition of western culture (more recently global
capitalism) with it's destruction of indigenous populations and it's Bhopal
type incidents?
We are all the same in these respects. Sure, the Muslims are destructive
egotists. So are we.
It's not what we are that's in question, it's what we need to become to
avoid inflicting unnecessary pain and suffering on each other to make
ourselves feel secure.
Self interest alone should be enough to make us realise that if we hurt and
destroy others for our own gain, the action will be reciprocated.
>They have always succeded with the exception of places like the
>Balkans and Greece where the non-muslim community developed
>an intense ethnic consciousness to resist assimilation.
So, they've succeeded where people have been prepared to accept the faith
and not where people have chosen otherwise.
>Do you know what a Dhimmi is?
>http://www.dhimmi.com/
I do now. A very informative site. Thank you.
If people feel that they have a rational and justifiable complaint against
specific groups, then they shouldn't really need to practice petty lies and
deceits to validate their position, should they?
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Steve Morris
Steve Glynn
Not actually having seen the two images in question, I'm possibly not in the
best position to give an informed comment, but that's never stopped me yet
........
When I heard this story on that noted visual medium of the local news radio
I thought 'How utterly tasteless, dunno about offending Muslims but it
offends me, and I'm a Catholic'.
Then I heard an interview with the deputy curator of the exhibition, who
said the images were meant to be satirical and attempted to point up how
ludicrous some peoples' fear of the Paynim Hoards actually is.
Fair enough, I can understand that POV, too. Personally, I would like to
take a look at the exhibits in question before forming a judgement. I'm
not going to get the chance to now, and nor is anyone else, since apparently
Walsall Council threatened to ban the exhibition of several hundred exhibits
that has been two or three years in the making if those two images weren't
pulled.
I'd be fascinated to know if the councillors (noted art critics, doubtless)
had actually received any complaints from Muslims, or anyone else, about
this exhibit or if they acted on spec and thought that 'we don't want to
offend people, and we all know Muslims are a bit touchy, so we'd better not
set them off, particularly now' was a convenient excuse for a bit of
stupidity.
Sorry, but I used to have a colleague who was a serious heavy-duty Islamic
fundamentalist (born and brought up in Saudi, and was over here because her
dad had been posted to Regent's Park Mosque). At the time Salman
Ruchdie's 'The Satanic Verses' was much in the news, as was the Ayatollah
Khomeini's fatwah against him. She asked me what the book was about,
since she saw I had a copy on my desk (one's got to have something to read
on the tube, and sometimes the Telegraph gets boring, not to mention the
fact that anyone who works for me has to get used to the fact that I can be
bloody irritating at times).
I gave her a summary of the novel, including the fact that the comments
which had caused so much offence were made by Mohammed's enemies and that
objecting to the book on those grounds was about as sensible as complaining
that a life of Jesus contained some less than favourable remarks about Him
made by Herod or Pontius Pilate.
She told me that she'd rather assumed that this was the case, and that while
she didn't want to read the novel (which I offered to lend her) she rather
doubted that her co-religionists who were busy burning the book had read it
either.
She thus, at least to my mind, showed a deal more sense than did my local
MP, who at about the same time told me, on a social occasion, that he hadn't
actually read the book himself but thought it should be banned anyway
because it might cause offence to his Muslim constituents.
Yes, I did vote for him in the next election. since he was marginally less
dreadful than the other candidates, but I wasn't too happy about so doing.
Steve
Dave'n'Alias
"Steve Glynn" <steve...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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What makes you think that Muslims would be offended by the artworks in
question ?
>
>
Steve Glynn
>
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> What makes you think that Muslims would be offended by the artworks
> question ?
>
Nothing. The point I was trying to make, clearly not very well, was
precisely that I rather doubt anyone, Muslim or not, had actually complained
about the artworks in question and that I suspect we're seeing some
over-zealous busybodies on the local council banning things on spec and then
blaming over-sensitive Muslims for what's actually a silly decision by the
local council.
I don't like things being banned unless there's a very compelling reason
(which usually there isn't). I really don't like -- particularly at the
moment, since some people are getting so worked up about Islam -- people
deciding to ban something because of the offence it might cause Muslims or
anyone else.
If something upsets me I'm perfectly capable of looking after myself and I
really don't need the local council to patronise me by announcing they are
worried about my delicate sensibilities. I'm more bothered about the
size of my Council Tax bill and getting the bins emptied on time. I
rather think most Muslims in Walsall take the same attitude.
Steve