Cartop signs
Dan "The Man" Gillispie
signs. First off, you'll never get pulled over by a police officer,
unless you are blatantly breaking the law I.E. running a stop sign.
Secondly, you will be more visible to other drivers on the roads, which
is critical when backing out of driveways, changing lanes, ect. Thirdly,
customers will see you coming, and will often be waiting at the door.
And, lastly your company will get more buisness, more deliveries, and
more potential tippers!
David Griffith
Dan \"The Man\" Gillispie (rude...@concentric.net) wrote:
: This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
please don't do that. it's messy.
: I, personally don't see what most peoples gripe is with cartop
Guess how I can tell that you've never delivered pizza very long, if ever.
--
David Griffith Visit Dave's Pizza Page
d#gri...@ultrix6.cs.csubak.edu http://www.cs.csubak.edu/~dgriffi/pizza.html
Artimus
>On Mon, 10 Feb 1997 05:02:36 -0800, "Dan \"The Man\" Gillispie" <rude...@concentric.net> wrote:
>
>I, personally don't see what most peoples gripe is with cartop
>signs.
Well, let me see here....
> First off, you'll never get pulled over by a police officer,
>unless you are blatantly breaking the law I.E. running a stop sign.
Unless you have a bored cop on the beat just looking for somebody.
Like people not quite stopping completely at stop signs, illegal lane
changes, driving just a bit fast, etc., etc. All of which Pizza
Drivers are prone to do. Not all cops like us...
>Secondly, you will be more visible to other drivers on the roads, which
>is critical when backing out of driveways, changing lanes, ect.
And more visible to potential car-jackers and muggers.
> Thirdly, customers will see you coming, and will often be waiting at the door.
Hard telling just WHO might be waiting for you when you can be seen
coming from blocks away.
>And, lastly your company will get more buisness, more deliveries, and
>more potential tippers!
And more losses as more of us are ripped off. Let's face it, those
things are definately not a good idea.
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The Pizza Driver's Lounge
http://www.iquest.net/~artimus/
Indianapolis, Indiana
Dan "The Man" Gillispie
For your information, I have been delivering pizzas for 2 years, and i
have yet to be robbed, pulled over by a police officer, been victim to a
motor accident, and yes, I have had a cartop sign on my car the whole
time. I can't count the number of times that i have delivered a pizza to
the same zone, right after i came back from one. When drivers don't have
thier signs on and lit, business does slow down. I don't know if you all
live in bad areas where you get robbed all the time, but my area isn't
that great either. The last time that and pizza chain was robbed in my
area, they had *no* cartop sign, and were in a pretty good area.
Jim Mackey
In article <32FF1C...@concentric.net>, "Dan \"The
Man\" Gillispie" <rude...@concentric.net> spouted out:
> I, personally don't see what most peoples gripe is with cartop
> signs.
Like we've been saying, it's advertising for a robbery.
They look dumb, too.
> First off, you'll never get pulled over by a police officer,
What makes you think this? I would think a cop would be
more likely to pull over a known pizza driver, because
they think we drive too fast. Anyone else on this?
> Secondly, you will be more visible to other drivers on the roads, which
> is critical when backing out of driveways, changing lanes, ect.
If other drivers can't see me already, they shouldn't be
on the road. :)
> Thirdly,
> customers will see you coming, and will often be waiting at the door.
That is absolutely NOT TRUE.
> And, lastly your company will get more buisness, more deliveries, and
> more potential tippers!
Again, this is not true. I ask anyone: how often do you
see a car with a pizza sign go wizzing by at 40 mph, and
you think "Good idea! I'll order a pizza!" and you
memorize the phone number on the sign you saw for a tenth
of a second?
--
Jim Mackey, PTE
San Jose, CA
Robb
: I, personally don't see what most peoples gripe is with cartop
: signs. First off, you'll never get pulled over by a police officer,
: unless you are blatantly breaking the law I.E. running a stop sign.
: Secondly, you will be more visible to other drivers on the roads, which
: is critical when backing out of driveways, changing lanes, ect. Thirdly,
: more potential tippers!
the drawbacks:
1> Rape me, rob me, take my fueled up car, and have pizza for dinner
2> If you are driving down the road, with a topper, and you are one of 50
cars, all exactly 20 feet from each other... And here is a car that needs
to pull into traffic, who does he pull in front of? BINGO.. ITS YOU!
In other words, people cut you off.
Since you are working, you are expected to yield to others. Whether you
have right of way or not.
3> When I am away from my car, I dont like a big ole sign saying: "empty
pizza car". As someone drives down the road and sees this car idealing at
the side of the road, they instantly know you arent there. You are up at
the house dropping off the order. This is a variation of #1.
4> Some toppers damage your car. The magnetic mounts can scratch your car
if any grit is inbetween the magnets and the finish of the car. The
bigger the sign is, the worst your gas milage will be. Also, ever had a
window mounted "wing" rip off as you drove down the highway at 55mph? It
aint fun..
Also, I damaged the powersteering in my moms Cougar when I borrowed it to
deliver pizzas. This was with a window wing unit.
I gotta admit that a pizza sign is good thing to tell customers "come
answer the door", but I was able to accomplish the same with a car
spotlight.
Robb
John the Pizza Man
Robberys:
How many time have drivers been robbed out of the blue vs set ups. I've
been w/ Domino's 10 years probably had 10-15 robberys. I can think of
only 1 robbery that wasn't a set up, and it was the second time these
guys robbed one of my drivers, they followed him as he left the store to
his delivery.
Visibility:
It does matter in this instance if you work for a chian. Blue/red/white
sign Domino's Red/white/black Pizza Hut etc. but if you are with a small
store people need to know your company for it to matter. Now I agree
it's hard to see the sign as you drive by but just think of the 1000's
of cars you see during rush hour (when we are busy) going the same
direction. (they don't need to worry about you wizzing by), or the
hundreds that might see you as you drive slowly and safely through a
neighborhood looking for an address. Also if the store is advertising
properly the customer will go home and say hmmm let's see what coupons I
have. If they have a Domino's coupon they kept I'm in luck. If they have
a Pizza a Go-Go coupon, then Jim's in luck ;-P . So be it.
Cops:
Personally I don't have any luck here, I've gotten pulled over 2 times
while delivering and got 2 tix. I have had employees tell me they got
pulled over with warnings. When I worked in Glendale, Ca. 9 years ago
the cops there used to look the other way. I don't know about now. The
one thing I always liked was you can pretty much park wherever you want.
Everyone knows you'll be back in a second. But I've had employees get
parking tix at the San Jose Airport with cartops on.
Just my .02
John
Jim Mackey
In article <330009...@concentric.net>, "Dan \"The
> have yet to be robbed, pulled over by a police officer, been victim to a
> motor accident, and yes, I have had a cartop sign on my car the whole
> time.
I've been delivering for 4 1/2 years, never had an
accident, never been robbed, but I've been pulled over a
couple of times, for having a head light out and such.
I've NEVER used one of those dumb signs; your argument
that one would help in these situations is invalid.
> I can't count the number of times that i have delivered a pizza to
> the same zone, right after i came back from one.
Same here. Your point?
> When drivers don't have
> thier signs on and lit, business does slow down.
This I find very hard to believe.
> I don't know if you all
> live in bad areas where you get robbed all the time, but my area isn't
> that great either. The last time that and pizza chain was robbed in my
> area, they had *no* cartop sign, and were in a pretty good area.
What does that have to do with anything?
--
Jim Mackey, AM, ex-PTE
San Jose, CA
David Griffith
: motor accident, and yes, I have had a cartop sign on my car the whole
: the same zone, right after i came back from one. When drivers don't have
: thier signs on and lit, business does slow down. I don't know if you all
: that great either. The last time that and pizza chain was robbed in my
: area, they had *no* cartop sign, and were in a pretty good area.
Would you care to tell us the locality you work in? The fact that a
driver was robbed who didn't use a sign is irrelevant. It's a clear and
logical fact that if you advertise all over "Here's a pizza car",
robberies tend to increase.
kev...@aol.com
In article <MPG.d694afcd...@news.earthlink.net>,
jma...@earthlink.net (Jim Mackey) writes:
>
>> First off, you'll never get pulled over by a police officer,
>
>What makes you think this? I would think a cop would be
>more likely to pull over a known pizza driver, because
>they think we drive too fast. Anyone else on this?
>
>
I agree, I've met a few 'bored' cops.... They attract attention, in a way
we would rather not have. There is also gret potential for pi**ing people
off. I have been honked at MANY MANY MANY times by people who precieved I
had slighted them in some way, then they call the store to give you crap.
I've passed people who were going way under the speed limit on a two lane
residential because I got places to be! Then they call griping that you
cut them off, driving like a bat out of hell blah blah blah
-Keven
David Griffith
John the Pizza Man (domi...@pacbell.net) wrote:
: Robberys:
: How many time have drivers been robbed out of the blue vs set ups. I've
: been w/ Domino's 10 years probably had 10-15 robberys. I can think of
: only 1 robbery that wasn't a set up, and it was the second time these
Not a setup? I'd like to hear more about this one...
: guys robbed one of my drivers, they followed him as he left the store to
: his delivery.
: Visibility:
: It does matter in this instance if you work for a chian. Blue/red/white
: sign Domino's Red/white/black Pizza Hut etc. but if you are with a small
: store people need to know your company for it to matter. Now I agree
: it's hard to see the sign as you drive by but just think of the 1000's
: of cars you see during rush hour (when we are busy) going the same
: direction. (they don't need to worry about you wizzing by), or the
: hundreds that might see you as you drive slowly and safely through a
: neighborhood looking for an address. Also if the store is advertising
: properly the customer will go home and say hmmm let's see what coupons I
: have. If they have a Domino's coupon they kept I'm in luck. If they have
: a Pizza a Go-Go coupon, then Jim's in luck ;-P . So be it.
The only think a sign does for advertising is make a hungry person think
"PIZZA!" rather than "TOP RAMEN" (for example). The two prime motivators
of who is called is 1: "What's in the coupon drawer?" and 2: "Who do I
like?".
: Cops:
: Personally I don't have any luck here, I've gotten pulled over 2 times
: while delivering and got 2 tix. I have had employees tell me they got
: pulled over with warnings. When I worked in Glendale, Ca. 9 years ago
The cops around here tend to be sympathetic to the BS that we have to put
up with. The sheriff's office is a couple blocks away and they like our
pizza.
: the cops there used to look the other way. I don't know about now. The
: one thing I always liked was you can pretty much park wherever you want.
I'll admit that this is one of the very few good things about cartops
signs.
: Everyone knows you'll be back in a second. But I've had employees get
: parking tix at the San Jose Airport with cartops on.
: Just my .02
: John
Steve Daniels (Official JBT of a.p)
On 11 Feb 1997 19:40:31 GMT, ro...@sky.net (Robb) wrote:
>One other thing you need to consider with Pizza business. <and toppers>
What you guys need is a bunch of red flashing lights and "PIZZA"
written on the front of your cars backwards so that people can read it
in their rear view mirrors.
The pizza guy is at least as important as an ambulance. Especially if
you consider the frequency of the calls.
I've ordered delivered pizza. I've never called an ambulance.
Priorities.
--
There are two rules for success.
1: Never tell people everything you know.
Jim Mackey
In article <33014C...@pacbell.net>,
domi...@pacbell.net spouted out:
> Personally I don't have any luck here, I've gotten pulled over 2 times
> while delivering and got 2 tix. I have had employees tell me they got
> pulled over with warnings. When I worked in Glendale, Ca. 9 years ago
> the cops there used to look the other way. I don't know about now. The
> one thing I always liked was you can pretty much park wherever you want.
I've always done that anyway, with no sign. After 6PM,
there's nothing to worry about. Except...
> Everyone knows you'll be back in a second. But I've had employees get
> parking tix at the San Jose Airport with cartops on.
Absolutely. The cops there are nazis. One of our
drivers took our "company jeep" there and left it at the
curb, and got a ticket.
Jim Mackey
In article <33199197...@news.cdsnet.net>,
dan...@cdsnet.net spouted out:
> On 11 Feb 1997 19:40:31 GMT, ro...@sky.net (Robb) wrote:
>
> >One other thing you need to consider with Pizza business. <and toppers>
>
> What you guys need is a bunch of red flashing lights and "PIZZA"
> written on the front of your cars backwards so that people can read it
> in their rear view mirrors.
>
> The pizza guy is at least as important as an ambulance. Especially if
> you consider the frequency of the calls.
>
> I've ordered delivered pizza. I've never called an ambulance.
>
> Priorities.
LOL... if I could have all this and get away with driving
like the Duke Boys, I'd be loving life!
Dan "The Man" Gillispie
David Griffith wrote:
Dan \"The Man\" Gillispie (rude...@concentric.net) wrote: : For your
information, I have been delivering pizzas for 2 years, and i
: have yet to be robbed, pulled over by a police officer, been victim to
a
: motor accident _abridged_
> Would you care to tell us the locality you work in? The fact that adriver was robbed who didn't use a sign is irrelevant. It's a clear and
logical fact that if you advertise all over "Here's a pizza car",
robberies tend to increase.
>
> --
> David Griffith Visit Dave's Pizza Page
> d#gri...@ultrix6.cs.csubak.edu http://www.cs.csubak.edu/~dgriffi/pizza.html
I work in Santa Maria, California (Santa Barbra County)
I Guess I'm going to be flamed from most every direction on the subject
of Cartop signs, and i have to admit, my opinion has been slightly
swayed by the arguments presented, but it is still essentialy the same.
I have heard bitches and moans from my co-workers offering the same
arguments, but specualtion is not fact. I find it hard to believe that
cartop signs cause all of these horrible problems on a regular basis.
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>>Place Flames here<<
BTW: I am a red-head, I know what it is
like to stand out in a crowd, and what it is like to be singled out, and
all of the bad situations i had encountered as cause of my appearance,
could have been avoided if I had known how to handle the situations and
how to be prejudice to my actions, and the actions of others....
ken
reasons no one uses a sign at my store are:
1. potential of other motorist to call in and complain.
2. rob, rape, ream me situation.
3. instead of saying "pizza man" they should read "pizza dork"
and now u know the rest of the story.
ken
the ripped
Probe
Car Toppers tell criminals that Mr. Moneybags is at the wheel. That's
the biggest reason I'm glad I don't have to use one at either one of
my delivery jobs.
I've seen the way delivery drivers are portrayed in movies like _High
School High_, as the driver who was a scared, whining wimp who cried
as some hoodlum took his car to go on a chickie run toward the edge of
a cliff. What does that tell people about us? I'm not a dorky nerd
with pimples and I don't whine and complain. I just bitch and raise
hell :)
ANYway, toppers would definitely give people something to complain
about as far as driving is concerned. Where I work, we must drive
through a local drug store parking lot to get to the unit. I was
careening through there at a speed that made it look obvious to others
that I was just passing through, but not a speed that I considered
dangerous to pedestrians. I saw a lady coming out from between two
parked cars and I saw an alternate path, so I took it. I veered away
from her and never got closer than 20 feet from her precious little
body. She saw me get out of my pickup and get my deliver bags out of
the bed, so she decided to come in and complain about my driving. Had
I not been working for a pizza company, do you think she would have
followed me home and chewed my butt about my driving habits? I think
not. The fact is, she saw the perfect opportunity to complain about
something she would normally have no control over, so she took
advantage of it.
Same thing happened another time where I flew into the parking lot at
and angle, going about 35 miles per hour. I saw another car heading
to the path which I would soon be crossing, but I know from my
millions of miles of driving experience, that there would be no
collision. Even though I crossed her path before she was even close
enough to be concerened, she followed me around the parking lot, then
called in from the safety of her Cadillac and the convenience of her
cellular phone to whine and complain about someone exercising the
driving skills she obviously lacked.
And another time, believe it or not, I was driving through a
residential area at about 35 MPH. The speed limit on Texas
residential roads is 30MPH unless otherwise posted. This little girl
was on a tiny bike riding along side the curb. Her mother was on her
bike closer to the center of the road with a little baby in a small
seat behind her. I started slowing down as soon as I saw the little
girl on the small bike. What did the mother do? This lady, who must
have had some sort of mental deficit, aimed her bike at me WITH THE
LITTLE BABY ON BOARD and put her leg out in front of 3200 pounds of
metal and hot oil. She screamed something at me as I drove past them,
but my windows were up. She probably would have complained if she
could tell who I was, but I have limo tint on my windows, illegally
dark, I might add, so you can't see in.
So there you have it. We should all know that there are people out
there who like to be in control of other people's lives. There are
people who like to tell us what we can and can't receive over the
internet. They like to tell us what we can and can't watch on
television, hear on the radio, read in magazines, or paste on our rear
bumpers. In the same respect, if people see the opportunity to try to
control how we choose to drive, they will take advantage of it just to
satisfy their desire to be in control.
And besides... what good do the toppers do anyway? The ones I've seen
for Dominos don't even have a phone number on them, just some ugly
domino. Well, my gosh, everyone knows that Domino's delivers, as well
as Pizza Hut, Papa Johns and others. I don't think it's necessary to
lose paint over something like this.
Probe
Dallas
Driving Crazy
pro...@dfwmm.net (Probe) wrote:
>So there you have it. We should all know that there are people out
>there who like to be in control of other people's lives. There are
>people who like to tell us what we can and can't receive over the
>internet. They like to tell us what we can and can't watch on
>television, hear on the radio, read in magazines, or paste on our rear
>bumpers. In the same respect, if people see the opportunity to try to
>control how we choose to drive, they will take advantage of it just to
>satisfy their desire to be in control.
>
>Probe
>Dallas
>
Couldn't of said it better myself.
Thanks
Caddy
Dallas