A720 challenges the D3?
Dudley Hanks
I know this is one of those burning issues that people just can't make up
their minds on. Which camera takes better pics, the Canon A720 or the Nikon
D3?
Or, is there yet an unidentified contender out there that can kick both of
these apertures?
Send submissions to photos....@dudley-hanks.com
I'll post the entries, without EXIF data or any other hints on my site.
Then, guests can vote on their favourite via e-mail ballot.
What will be the deciding factor, the camera or the photog?
Good Luck,
Dudley
Dudley Hanks
"Joel" <Jo...@NoSpam.com> wrote in message
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> "Dudley Hanks" <photos....@dudley-hanks.com> wrote:
>
>> That's right!
>>
>> I know this is one of those burning issues that people just can't make up
>> their minds on. Which camera takes better pics, the Canon A720 or the
>> Nikon
>> D3?
>
> Just drag your soul to some site like www.dpreview.com or
> www.steves-digicam.com (or something like that I forgot this dawn name
> again) and you should have your questioned answered.
>
> There won't be price for knowing the answer, and no spamming is needed
> <bg>
>
Price? What price? I don't charge anything...
Spam? A photo contest is spam? What about the SI? Is that spam?
JJ
"Dudley Hanks" <photos....@dudley-hanks.com> wrote in message
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That's a bit of a daft comparison, is it not? These cameras are very
different beasts and each excels in it's own arena, but how the heck do you
compare a great DSLR with an 'A' series Canon? Now if it were an 'S'
series?? :-)
J
Peter
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>
> That's a bit of a daft comparison, is it not? These cameras are very
> different beasts and each excels in it's own arena, but how the heck do
> you compare a great DSLR with an 'A' series Canon? Now if it were an 'S'
> series?? :-)
Photographers take pictures.
Great photographers take great pictures.
Some high priced cameras take not so great photographers.
--
Peter
Dudley Hanks
I have to admit, I wrote the above message with my tongue in cheek. I'm not
crazy enough to say that the A720 is technically equivalent to the D3, or
even close. Take a picture with each, and it wouldn't take an expert long
to determine which picture came from which camera based on technical
details.
But, that is not the point of my challenge.
What I am proposing is that people take pictures with whatever camera they
choose and send it to:
Then, I will size all the pictures to a similar size with the same program
and post them on the web, or on my site. People will look at them on their
monitor and choose which they like the best.
Much of the advantage of the more technically superior camera will be
removed by the reduced size, so the photographer's skill will play a larger
role in the challenge.
This challenge will do more to highlight the point and shoot camera's
versatility than it will to showcase sensor noise levels or colour
rendition.
The point and shoots will have the edge in capturing spontaneous images
whenever and where ever they occur. The D3's and Mark III's will do better
with DOF control and ISO range. But, the real crux of the competition, I
hope, will be how creative the photographer will be. If I were a betting
man, I'd bet that the winner will be a good photographer with a mediocre
camera. Actually, the big buck shooters have the most to lose; if they
shoot a shot with a $5,000++ box and get voted down? I don't even want to
think about what it will do for the ego.
Only the winner's name and camera make model will be revealed. All other
entries will remain a secret.
As long as people don't drop hints here in the group as to who took what
picture, I think it would be very interesting to see what will happen.
No mandate. People can shoot what they want. The only criteria for judging
is which picture you like the best. My only request is that we keep the
images to those which are suitable for viewing by all ages. I have kids
using my system as well as adults.
Actually, I do have one more request. I'd also like to know what image size
folks think would be the best. If you have a preference, just post it here
in the group, or e-mail it to the above address.
What do you think? Is anyone up for it?
This should be a fun thing. Don't take it too seriously.
I hope you'll enter.Dudley
Dudley
Dudley Hanks
"Joel" <Jo...@NoSpam.com> wrote in message
>
> - great photographers have more chance to take more great pictures
>
> - Great camera has more and better chance to capture great image
Not if it's sitting at home, or back in the trunk...
Think of the master mechanic. He's got $20,000 worth of tools in a couple
of rolling toolchests -- everything top quality. Maybe, he even works on
Jags, Rolls, or something like that.
Now, let's picture ourselves stranded on the side of the road, in the middle
of nowwhere.
Who would you rather pull up and offer you some help, the Master, or some
high school kid who's just taken his first highschool course in automotives?
Sure, the kid might get the job done. But, he might also short out that
$1,200 cpu stuffed in your dash. For my money, I'd like the Master to work
his magic -- even if he's just using the $20 emergency toolkit he's slipped
under his front seat.
Take Care,
Dudley
MC
>
> What I am proposing is that people take pictures with whatever camera they
> choose and send it to:
>
> photos....@dudley-hanks.com
>
> Then, I will size all the pictures to a similar size with the same program
> and post them on the web, or on my site. People will look at them on
> their monitor and choose which they like the best.
>
This is OK if the viewer will only be judging on technical merit rather than
artistic interpretation, composition and actual subject matter. However,
judgement of technical merit can only be made if two pictures are displayed
side by side taken of the same subject using the same techniques at the same
time of day. Different circumstances will induce different results thus
your idea is severely flawed.
MC
Peter
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> "Peter" <pete...@nospamoptonline.net> wrote:
>
>
Just a general statement. I have not seen your work.
> - great photographers have more chance to take more great pictures
>
Great photographers make more chances to take more great pictures.
Some examples of finding shots in places that few would think are exotic.
Last year I took one of her workshops and I learned quit a bit.
http://www.alisonshaw.com/gallery.shtml
> - Great camera has more and better chance to capture great image
I know a young talented photographer who uses a D70 with the kit lens. Her
work sells for between $50 for an 8x10 up to $750. She doesn't advertise or
have a website, but folks buy her prints if they happen to see them. While
these may not be Ansell Adams prices they are decent.
--
Peter
Gergana Vasileva
Great idea, Dudley!!!
All I think is that good photographers are able not only to see, but to
feel the proper moment and light. All is in our mind and the camera is
not the most important thing to take great pictures.
I am in! :o)
Greetings!
Gergana
--
"For in the dew of little things the heart finds its morning and is refreshed."
(Kahlil Gibran)
--
http://www.23hq.com/gergana
Peter
>
> The lens-kit has its limitation, but if you have good lighting condition
> and goot setting then you should be able to capture very sharp image. And
> if she is smart enough not to believe "great camera doesn't make great
> photographer" then I would be more impressed if she learns to take
> advantage
> of all the better available lens.
>
> IOW, even I haven't seen her works but I ain't impressed of the wrong
> lesson she read and learn from book. But I am glad to uses D70 instead of
> the $1.49 disposable camera
Joel,
It seems to me she learned the right lesson. She knows her equipment's
limitations and works it.
There is no doubt that a "better" lens would allow her to take pictures
under a larger range of conditions. But what if when feels she can express
her art just fine with what she has.
I am currently thinking hard whether to get a full frame, primarily because
I like to do wide angle work. Yet, I have not reached the limitations of my
current box.
--
Peter
Dudley Hanks
"MC" <qw...@qwert.qwert> wrote in message
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> "Dudley Hanks" <photos....@dudley-hanks.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> What I am proposing is that people take pictures with whatever camera
>> they choose and send it to:
>>
>> photos....@dudley-hanks.com
>>
>> Then, I will size all the pictures to a similar size with the same
>> program and post them on the web, or on my site. People will look at
>> them on their monitor and choose which they like the best.
>>
>
> This is OK if the viewer will only be judging on technical merit rather
> than artistic interpretation, composition and actual subject matter.
I think you have this backwards. It will do little to highlight technical
merit; it will do more to highlight artistic talent / creativity...
However,
> judgement of technical merit can only be made if two pictures are
> displayed side by side taken of the same subject using the same techniques
> at the same time of day. Different circumstances will induce different
> results thus your idea is severely flawed.
>
> MC
>
You are missing the point.
I am not proposing the contest as an actual technical comparison of any make
or model camera. The subject line was simply to get people thinking.
The contest is to illustrate that a good photographer can take a good
picture with any camera, regardless of it's technical specifications.
What I want is for people to send in a picture they like. Then, they will
look at all the pictures that are submitted and choose the one they like the
best -- regardless of why they like it the best.
In many cases, people will choose the picture that they submitted
themselves. But, in a lot of cases, if we are honest with ourselves, we
will probably find one from someone else that we like better. Regardless,
someone who hasn't submitted a picture will vote, so there will be more
votes than pictures. The one with the most, even if it is only by one or
two votes will get bragging rights.
The contest is meant simply as an exercise to get people to do something
creative with a camera, any camera, and then compare the results in a forum
which does not favour the high tech cameras -- ie, a forum where the picture
is judged in a smaller format; I'd say 800 x 600 tops.
I want the quality of the pics to be determined more by the photographer
than the camera.
Now, what do you think? Would you like to try?
I've got three or four entries already. I'd like to get about 15 or 20 to
make it as much fun as possible.
Anybody else want to participate?
If you do, send your picture to:
Good Luck,
Dudley
Dudley Hanks
> feel the proper moment and light. All is in our mind and the camera is
> not the most important thing to take great pictures.
>
> I am in! :o)
>
> Greetings!
>
> Gergana
>
> --
> "For in the dew of little things the heart finds its morning and is
> refreshed."
> (Kahlil Gibran)
> --
> http://www.23hq.com/gergana
>
Great!
I'll look forward to posting your submission.
Take Care,
Dudley