Luddite
tony cooper
my mind.
A couple of weeks ago my wife, while mopping the floor, knocked my
phone off the cabinet where it was charging. The phone fell in the
mop bucket.
I went online and bought a replacement phone - an old Nokia 3589i -
for $35. I like Nokias because the batteries hold their charge longer
for me, and get better reception in my area. My "new" phone has no
camera, no GPS device, no ring tones, no games, no keyboard, and no
special bells or whistles. It places calls and receives calls.
That's all I want.
My previous phone - an LG something-or-other - had a camera and I
never took a picture with it. I have a Canon P&S that's always in the
car that takes pretty good photos, and I take my Nikon when I want
better ones.
I don't have a photo on my hard drive that I can't tell you exactly
where I was when I took it. I do have some scans of photos taken in
Europe years ago that I can pin down by country, but can't tell you
what town they were taken in.
I can't imagine why I'd want a GPS. I haven't been lost since 1964
when I got off the interstate because of a bad accident blocking
traffic south of Chicago. I got lost in the south Chicago suburbs. I
remember the year because my wife and I were coming back from our
honeymoon in Florida. I'm never going back to the south Chicago
suburbs for any reason, so I don't need a GPS for that.
I carry maps in the car and I even have a small compass in the glove
box. I've made a few wrong turns over the years, but I've always
managed to find out where I was.
I'm sure you people have your reasons for wanting to know exactly
where you are at any point in time, but those reasons escape me.
Y'all can't be trekking through the wilderness or canoeing up the
Amazon every weekend.
I've been to the game parks in Africa, but I had sense enough to hire
a guide who knew where we were going and how to get back. Same thing
at the Okefenokee and the Everglades. (Mosquito repellent is more
important to me than latitude and longitude position) I've owned a
boat, but on the Florida rivers and lakes you are seldom out of sight
of a marina that sells beer and provides directions. I used to have a
private pilot's license, but the club plane had built-in location
devices.
The only thing that could possibly interest me is a golf ball that
transmits its location back to me. As a left-handed slicer, I've hit
balls into parts of the rough that no one has been before, and the
rest of my foursome is usually on the other side of the course.
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Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
Savageduck
> Reading all these posts about GPS devices in cameras and phones blows
> my mind.
> ............<cut to the humor>...............
> The only thing that could possibly interest me is a golf ball that
> transmits its location back to me. As a left-handed slicer, I've hit
> balls into parts of the rough that no one has been before, and the
> rest of my foursome is usually on the other side of the course.
It appears there is a market for a Lo-Jack enabled golf ball.
...a sort of "Ping" ball maybe.
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Regards,
Savageduck
ray
I'm with you on the cell phone, but I have had ocassional use for a GPS.
A couple of years ago, I recall doing a hike not far from here. I did not
get lost, but with the aid of the GPS I was able to find the exact extent
of our hike on an aerial photo of the region. That was cool. Was it
necessary? No - but it was cool.
PDM
that nobody uses?
Used to use compass and maps when out traveling in my small camper van
looking for photo opportunities. I always has some idea where I was even if
I didn't know exactly. All I had to do was head roughly in a direction and
eventually I'd find a sign or locate a recognisable point on a map. Then I
changed my vehicle. New one put the compass out so much it was impossible to
navigate unless I got out and walked a good way off. I'm lazy and couldn't
be bothered to keep stopping, so gave in and got a satnav.
PDM
Wayne R.
>Reading all these posts about GPS devices in cameras and phones blows
>my mind.
It's like you're saying you don't need a camera because you remember
how things look.
>I had sense enough to hire a guide who knew where we were going and how to get back..
>the club plane had built-in location devices.
So you acknowledge the advantages of having locational assistance. GPS
devices can fit right in here, right?
GPS devices bring several advantages:
1. No/much reduced married couple bickering while driving (not to be
underestimated!)
2. Opens up vast areas to personal exploring without much concern over
getting back out easily & quickly. No restaurant/attraction/friendship
is excluded by a fast "dunno where that is" thought.
3. Enables optimal routing - and, as you discovered, re-routing &
detouring. Breaks the "I know how to get there" mindset and brings new
routes/surroundings into awareness.
4. Reduces the sense of being "stranded" - GPS in a phone with Google
Maps makes it easy to 1) know where you are, 2) know what's around
you, and 3) how to get where you want to go. Of course. But having
that capacity "in your pocket" without thinking about it is immensely
freeing.
5. Geo-tagged photos coupled with appropriate mapping software shows
relationships and is effective in group communications. It's been very
handy in my work product, both in documentation & problem-solving.
I've got a box full of paper maps, compasses. I've been lots of places
without GPS. Been to many, many more with the little electronic boxes
full of maps...
I know I haven't yet seen everything I want to see.
Chris H
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>Can you still get phones without cameras and all the other included rubbish
>that nobody uses?
>
I still have a 6210e for use at clients sights where cameras, recording
devices etc are not permitted. Otherwise I have just got a Nokia 8500
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Scott W
photos from by parents, taken all over the world with digital
cameras. I have dates for the images, but no positions. For me it
would be interesting to be able to go to Google Earth and tell where
they were when they took the photos. When I say where I mean more
then just somewhere in West Africa, but the town and the street as
well.
With this in mind I have been going through a bunch of my photos and
locating the position they were taken and adding that to the photo
collection. This way someone looking through my photos can tell just
where the photos were taken. Will anyone care, I don't know but I
think they might.
Part of all of this is a very simple thing I have done for years,
photograph my GPS unit from time to time when out photographing. I
might be able to figure out where we were when driving across the
country, but when going up the inside passage no way without the GSP.
Here is an example.
The photo of the GPS
http://www.pbase.com/konascott/image/114289892
The photo of the area
http://www.pbase.com/konascott/image/114289895
I can go to Google Earth and see just where the photo was taken, what
is more anyone else looking at my photos can do the same.
Peter
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On Jun 25, 4:44 pm, tony cooper <tony_cooper...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Reading all these posts about GPS devices in cameras and phones blows
> my mind.
>
> The only thing that could possibly interest me is a golf ball that
Here is an example.
That sounds like a kewl idea.
Saves a lot of discussions later as to exactly where that shot was taken.
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Peter
PDM
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do that with the model you have? On mine I can just save the location. Very
useful.
PDM
Peter
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How does that relate to the location of the shot? Yes, I know I can do it
with paper and pencil, the old fashioned way. With film that was feasible.
With my tendency to take more digital shots, that method won't work for me.
I may do my sorting several weeks/months after shooting.
--
Peter
Scott W
> Question. Why don't you just save the location on the satnav? Or can't you
> do that with the model you have? On mine I can just save the location. Very
> useful.
Since I keep my photos in directories by date and sorted by time a
simple photo of the GPS display gives me a record that will
automatically stay with the photos that were taken around the same
time.
No matter what format these photos might be converted to they will
have the information needed to tell where the photos were taken.
I have started to add the GPS location to some of my photo in the exif
area, but someone simply viewing the photos would not know this data
is there.
Pete D
think they might.
Part of all of this is a very simple thing I have done for years,
photograph my GPS unit from time to time when out photographing. I
might be able to figure out where we were when driving across the
country, but when going up the inside passage no way without the GSP.
Here is an example.
The photo of the GPS
http://www.pbase.com/konascott/image/114289892
The photo of the area
http://www.pbase.com/konascott/image/114289895
I can go to Google Earth and see just where the photo was taken, what
is more anyone else looking at my photos can do the same.
<<I have just ordered a Globalsat BT-335 data logger, hopefully it will let
me geotag all my shots when I take it with me.
<<Pete
PDM
Er! it saves the location of the shot. All you do is give it a name and date
if required.
PDM
Peter
If it works for you, fine. As I stated above, I have to find something that
will fit into MY workflow.
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Peter
Celcius
"Scott W" <bip...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Reading all these posts about GPS devices in cameras and phones blows
> my mind.
>
> A couple of weeks ago my wife, while mopping the floor, knocked my
> phone off the cabinet where it was charging. The phone fell in the
>
>
Part of all of this is a very simple thing I have done for years,
photograph my GPS unit from time to time when out photographing. I
might be able to figure out where we were when driving across the
country, but when going up the inside passage no way without the GSP.
Here is an example.
The photo of the GPS
http://www.pbase.com/konascott/image/114289892
The photo of the area
http://www.pbase.com/konascott/image/114289895
I can go to Google Earth and see just where the photo was taken, what
is more anyone else looking at my photos can do the same.
Perhaps this is a stupid, unworkable idea, but is it possible to include the
geographical position in the EXIF? I know when I travel, I take many photos
in one place, then go on to another and do the same.. All that would be
needed is to fill in the Exif at the "new position" photo. Same could be
done for marking off a specific building, river, etc.
Marcel
Wayne R.
wrote (with clarity & insight):
>Perhaps this is a stupid, unworkable idea, but is it possible to include the
>geographical position in the EXIF? I know when I travel, I take many photos
>in one place, then go on to another and do the same.. All that would be
>needed is to fill in the Exif at the "new position" photo. Same could be
>done for marking off a specific building, river, etc.
>Marcel
Sure: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geocoded_photo
I use RoboGEO: http://www.robogeo.com/
This is the nut of this thread - carry a simple GPS device with you,
and it records internally "tracks" or breadcrumb trails along with
time stamps. Many software programs like RoboGEO use the timestamps of
your photos to match timestamps of your tracks to then geotag your
photos either in the image &/or in the EXIF section.
Lots of ways to do it, really, but this is accurate and easy for whole
folders of photos.
Of course, make sure your camera's clock is set to match GPS time.
Robert Coe
:
: Perhaps this is a stupid, unworkable idea, but is it possible to include the
: in one place, then go on to another and do the same.. All that would be
: needed is to fill in the Exif at the "new position" photo. Same could be
: done for marking off a specific building, river, etc.
: Marcel
The high-end Canons have that, don't they?
Bob
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> "Scott W" <biph...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:e33eadab-5918-49f4...@p18g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 25, 4:44 pm, tony cooper <tony_cooper...@earthlink.net> wrote:> Reading all these posts about GPS devices in cameras and phones blows
> > my mind.
>
> > A couple of weeks ago my wife, while mopping the floor, knocked my
> > phone off the cabinet where it was charging. The phone fell in the
> > mop bucket................
>
> Part of all of this is a very simple thing I have done for years,
> photograph my GPS unit from time to time when out photographing. I
> might be able to figure out where we were when driving across the
> country, but when going up the inside passage no way without the GSP.
>
> Here is an example.
>
>
> The photo of the areahttp://www.pbase.com/konascott/image/114289895
>
> I can go to Google Earth and see just where the photo was taken, what
> is more anyone else looking at my photos can do the same.
>
> Perhaps this is a stupid, unworkable idea, but is it possible to include the
> geographical position in the EXIF? I know when I travel, I take many photos
> in one place, then go on to another and do the same.. All that would be
> needed is to fill in the Exif at the "new position" photo. Same could be
> done for marking off a specific building, river, etc.
> Marcel
That have cameras and GPS units for cameras used in real estate that
will record where you took the pictures, the directions you are facing
and IIRC even the angle (up/down) the camera was at.
Scotius
A while back I placed a photo onto Google Earth that I had
taken near where I live. I had to guess where it was because I didn't
know the exact location. Granted, for me that would be rare, but if I
was a pro I'd probably want a GPS for off-the-cuff shots like that.
And now that you've got me thinking about it no I wouldn't, because I
would rather pay attention to where I'm at and make a note of it.
Geez... thanks a lot mister.
Alan Browne
> A while back I placed a photo onto Google Earth that I had
> taken near where I live. I had to guess where it was because I didn't
> know the exact location. Granted, for me that would be rare, but if I
> was a pro I'd probably want a GPS for off-the-cuff shots like that.
> And now that you've got me thinking about it no I wouldn't, because I
> would rather pay attention to where I'm at and make a note of it.
> Geez... thanks a lot mister.
Don't listen to others who disapprove of your need or want to record
position with some accuracy. The benefits go beyond tagging photos.
And no this is not a "pro" issue - it is a life issue: where we travel,
where we were, and when is important to us. Using technology to enrich
the experience is not a no-no in any way.
A small recording GPS sensor is all you need (I use an AMOD 3080 which
is just about ideal for photographers). Several Nikon's can be
outfitted with a GPS on the shoe. Even better as each photos is tagged
as taken.
Ignore the GPS while it records your position every second (or 10).
Later, at home, use s/w to tag the photos with the closest GPS position.
Requires of course that you set the time on the camera accurately and
that you know what time zone you're in. (I just leave my camera set to
UTC all of the time.).
When you upload a trip track to Google Earth, for example it's a great
way to revisit a fond vacation or special outing. Coordinating this
with photos (and I suppose video if you do that too) is just adding to
the experience.
GPS and photography are a fine documentary match. And as photography
and family or personal life documentary go together, GPS is an even
greater benefit.
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Savageduck
<alan....@FreelunchVideotron.ca> said:
Agreed.
GPS is a great way to document location, and with LR2, or Bridge the
GPS data can be used to filter, much as you filter on "keywords."
I would imagine it would be useful for realtors, insurance adjustors,
Law enforcement, photo journalists, and many others
There are quite a few methods of logging GPS data. I have the GP-1 to
use with my D300s and it just encodes the GPS data into the metadata.
Very simple and no hassle.
check the EXIF in this shot to get some idea of how useful it could be.
Data in this, will place the location in Google Maps or Google Earth
from LR2, iPhoto, or any of the usual photosharing or cataloging sites.
http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/DNC_0613Aw.jpg
GPS EXIF;
<exif:GPSVersionID>2.2.0.0</exif:GPSVersionID>
<exif:GPSLatitude>35,44.7057N</exif:GPSLatitude>
<exif:GPSLongitude>120,52.8213W</exif:GPSLongitude>
<exif:GPSAltitudeRef>0</exif:GPSAltitudeRef>
<exif:GPSAltitude>361/1</exif:GPSAltitude>
<exif:GPSTimeStamp>2010-02-22T23:33:58Z</exif:GPSTimeStamp>
<exif:GPSSatellites>08</exif:GPSSatellites>
<exif:GPSMapDatum>WGS 84</exif:GPSMapDatum>
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Savageduck
Alan Browne
Odd that you put that - I was just designing a program to tag my raw or
dng files directly from the AMOD 3080 w/o using other programs. (I
currently have to re-format the amod output from NMEA to a Garmin format
so that yet another program can tag the files. A real circus.) I was
just examining the tags in DNG to realize it's a form of XML notation.
That will make it quite east to do. OTOH, I'm not a unix programmer so
now I have to figure all that out for the mac...
It's good, in your example above, that the number of sats is shown - one
indicator of position quality. But a DOP figure would be better.
I also prefer decimal notation of position. deg min.mmmmmmm is so
nautical... deg.dddddd is better in the information age.
Savageduck
<alan....@FreelunchVideotron.ca> said:
Well, most everything for DNG is an XML and all of my stuff is on a Mac.
>
> It's good, in your example above, that the number of sats is shown -
> one indicator of position quality. But a DOP figure would be better.
The GP-1 will make a fix with as few as 4 sats, but it will warn that
the fix error is there.
>
> I also prefer decimal notation of position. deg min.mmmmmmm is so
> nautical... deg.dddddd is better in the information age.
That is how the data is encoded in the NEF EXIF by the GP-1. In Google
Maps for my example it makes the changes and shows as;
35.74509500,-120.88035500
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Savageduck
Alan Browne
Quite.
Chris H
<yoda...@mnsi.net> writes
>>
>>I don't have a photo on my hard drive that I can't tell you exactly
>>where I was when I took it. I do have some scans of photos taken in
>>Europe years ago that I can pin down by country, but can't tell you
>>what town they were taken in.
>>
>>I can't imagine why I'd want a GPS. I haven't been lost since 1964
>>when I got off the interstate because of a bad accident blocking
>>traffic south of Chicago. I got lost in the south Chicago suburbs. I
>>remember the year because my wife and I were coming back from our
>>honeymoon in Florida. I'm never going back to the south Chicago
>>suburbs for any reason, so I don't need a GPS for that.
>>
>>I carry maps in the car and I even have a small compass in the glove
>>box. I've made a few wrong turns over the years, but I've always
>>managed to find out where I was.
>>
>>I'm sure you people have your reasons for wanting to know exactly
>>where you are at any point in time, but those reasons escape me.
Having travelled a lot in the last 30 years, a lot of it in mountains
and countryside, I have a large number (several thousand) of slides and
negatives not to mention the 10K digital images.
Whilst I know where many were taken I find that I am not certain for all
of them. Especially some taken from moving trains. As one of my
travelling companions said sometimes it is difficult remembering which
country never mind which valley the picture was taken in.
With urban pictures it used to be that the architecture and people would
identify a picture. This is not always the case with modern
architecture. Vehicle number plates, signs and other street furniture
can help but if you have made multiple trips to the same country.....