> You're awfully cruel in the face of earnest endeavour....
Perhaps but the OP would get further reading a good book and investing some capital on social grease. As they stand things are too low ball and a drain.
My own shoot the other day was a near complete disaster but I'm taking the time to improve on my own tab not inflicting it on everyone else.
> > You're awfully cruel in the face of earnest endeavour....
> Perhaps but the OP would get further reading a good book and investing some > capital on social grease. As they stand things are too low ball and a drain.
> My own shoot the other day was a near complete disaster but I'm taking the > time to improve on my own tab not inflicting it on everyone else.
> Reality is not a democracy.
> -- > Charles E Hardwidge
I was being tongue-in-cheeky. Some of those photos are pretty dire alright. I find it very comforting to hear that some folks have disastrous shoots - so it's not just me, then. I had one recently that I am really pleased about, with maybe five shots in it that I am downright proud of but I would be petrified of putting any of these up for critique. So, somewhere deep inside me there is a really, really small iota of sympathy for the OP. Then I see his pics.....
>> > You're awfully cruel in the face of earnest endeavour....
>> Perhaps but the OP would get further reading a good book and investing >> some capital on social grease. As they stand things are too low ball and >> a drain.
>> My own shoot the other day was a near complete disaster but I'm taking >> the time to improve on my own tab not inflicting it on everyone else.
>> Reality is not a democracy.
> I was being tongue-in-cheeky. > Some of those photos are pretty dire alright. > I find it very comforting to hear that some folks have disastrous > shoots - so it's not just me, then. > I had one recently that I am really pleased about, with maybe five > shots in it that I am downright proud of but I would be petrified of > putting any of these up for critique. > So, somewhere deep inside me there is a really, really small iota of > sympathy for the OP. Then I see his pics.....
Ballpark.
I've got the whole shoot in Lightroom and have been going over it. I'm getting a better idea of the composition and light, the mistakes I made, and how I felt at the time. There's something in there that can be brought out by cropping, stuff I captured that missed me at the time, and so forth.
Basic professionalism, and Zen stuff like "continuous self-improvement", "you can't travel the same path twice", and "this cannot be taught" are part of that. I've even dived into Flickr and browsed some of the location shots other people have done for insights and to see how they compare.
Colston Tower is difficult. There's some obvious landscape and perspective shots but you don't see the lie of the land and clutter in most of those. The Colston Hall suffers from urban litter and a road running over the best place to shoot. But they're not going anywhere and there's always next time.
Cat(h) wrote: > I had one recently that I am really pleased about, with maybe five > shots in it that I am downright proud of but I would be petrified of > putting any of these up for critique.
Why? The worst that can happen is that some stranger will tell you they are awful. OTOH, you might get some useful criticism. _________
> So, somewhere deep inside me there is a really, really small iota of > sympathy for the OP. Then I see his pics.....
I think people would be more empathetic if he actually *tried* some of the suggestions people have made in the past months. It would help too to know his age...if 12, that is one thing; if 22, that is another.
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>> I had one recently that I am really pleased about, with maybe five >> shots in it that I am downright proud of but I would be petrified of >> putting any of these up for critique.
> Why? The worst that can happen is that some stranger will tell you they > are awful. OTOH, you might get some useful criticism.
Gotta agree. There all of us have bad times. I can think of to reasons for showing: Hopefully someone will come forward with an improvement, through constructive criticism.
To share work that I think is decent.
> I think people would be more empathetic if he actually *tried* some of the > suggestions people have made in the past months. It would help too to > know his age...if 12, that is one thing; if 22, that is another.
>>> I had one recently that I am really pleased about, with maybe five >>> shots in it that I am downright proud of but I would be petrified of >>> putting any of these up for critique.
>> Why? The worst that can happen is that some stranger will tell you they >> are awful. OTOH, you might get some useful criticism.
> Gotta agree. There all of us have bad times. I can think of to reasons for > showing: > Hopefully someone will come forward with an improvement, through > constructive criticism.
This is exactly what I use the groups system on Flickr for. I tend to only add those shots that are experimental or techniques that are new to me, or the images that I'm not 100% happy with and need guidance on how I can improve it or do it better.
Constructive criticism is great, but there are a lot out there who just abuse you and give no justification for their comments. Fortunately, Flickr has an ignore button.
> >> > You're awfully cruel in the face of earnest endeavour....
> >> Perhaps but the OP would get further reading a good book and investing > >> some capital on social grease. As they stand things are too low ball and > >> a drain.
> >> My own shoot the other day was a near complete disaster but I'm taking > >> the time to improve on my own tab not inflicting it on everyone else.
> >> Reality is not a democracy.
> > I was being tongue-in-cheeky. > > Some of those photos are pretty dire alright. > > I find it very comforting to hear that some folks have disastrous > > shoots - so it's not just me, then. > > I had one recently that I am really pleased about, with maybe five > > shots in it that I am downright proud of but I would be petrified of > > putting any of these up for critique. > > So, somewhere deep inside me there is a really, really small iota of > > sympathy for the OP. Then I see his pics.....
> Ballpark.
> I've got the whole shoot in Lightroom and have been going over it. I'm > getting a better idea of the composition and light, the mistakes I made, and > how I felt at the time. There's something in there that can be brought out > by cropping, stuff I captured that missed me at the time, and so forth.
> Basic professionalism, and Zen stuff like "continuous self-improvement", > "you can't travel the same path twice", and "this cannot be taught" are part > of that. I've even dived into Flickr and browsed some of the location shots > other people have done for insights and to see how they compare.
> Colston Tower is difficult. There's some obvious landscape and perspective > shots but you don't see the lie of the land and clutter in most of those. > The Colston Hall suffers from urban litter and a road running over the best > place to shoot. But they're not going anywhere and there's always next time.
> -- > Charles E Hardwidge
That's a cool building. Are both photos of the same building?
On Nov 20, 8:48 pm, "dadiOH" <dad...@invalid.com> wrote:
> Cat(h) wrote: > > I had one recently that I am really pleased about, with maybe five > > shots in it that I am downright proud of but I would be petrified of > > putting any of these up for critique.
> Why? The worst that can happen is that some stranger will tell you they are > awful. OTOH, you might get some useful criticism.
True. When I feel particularly courageous, I might just post a couple of links.
> _________
> > So, somewhere deep inside me there is a really, really small iota of > > sympathy for the OP. Then I see his pics.....
> I think people would be more empathetic if he actually *tried* some of the > suggestions people have made in the past months. It would help too to know > his age...if 12, that is one thing; if 22, that is another.
All fair points. Assuming he is an adult, you'd expect him to engage a bit. I sense also that English is not his mother tongue, which may limit the extent to which he can engage.
>> Colston Tower is difficult. There's some obvious landscape and >> perspective shots but you don't see the lie of the land and clutter in >> most of those. The Colston Hall suffers from urban litter and a road >> running over the best place to shoot. But they're not going anywhere and >> there's always next time.
> That's a cool building. Are both photos of the same building?
Different buildings about 100 feet apart. (If you look in the reflections on the Colston Hall you can see Colston Tower.) Here's a pair of shots from a broader perspective.
> >> Colston Tower is difficult. There's some obvious landscape and > >> perspective shots but you don't see the lie of the land and clutter in > >> most of those. The Colston Hall suffers from urban litter and a road > >> running over the best place to shoot. But they're not going anywhere and > >> there's always next time.
> > That's a cool building. Are both photos of the same building?
> Different buildings about 100 feet apart. (If you look in the reflections on > the Colston Hall you can see Colston Tower.) Here's a pair of shots from a > broader perspective.
Cat(h) wrote: > On Nov 20, 8:48 pm, "dadiOH" <dad...@invalid.com> wrote: >> Cat(h) wrote: >>> I had one recently that I am really pleased about, with maybe five >>> shots in it that I am downright proud of but I would be petrified of >>> putting any of these up for critique.
>> Why? The worst that can happen is that some stranger will tell you >> they are awful. OTOH, you might get some useful criticism.
> True. When I feel particularly courageous, I might just post a couple > of links. >> _________
>>> So, somewhere deep inside me there is a really, really small iota of >>> sympathy for the OP. Then I see his pics.....
>> I think people would be more empathetic if he actually *tried* some >> of the suggestions people have made in the past months. It would >> help too to know his age...if 12, that is one thing; if 22, that is >> another.
> All fair points. Assuming he is an adult, you'd expect him to engage > a bit. I sense also that English is not his mother tongue, which may > limit the extent to which he can engage.
He is Peruvian IIRC. I tried in Spanish too.
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> Cat(h) wrote: >> I think people would be more empathetic if he actually *tried* some of >> the >> suggestions people have made in the past months. It would help too to >> know >> his age...if 12, that is one thing; if 22, that is another.
> All fair points. Assuming he is an adult, you'd expect him to engage > a bit. I sense also that English is not his mother tongue, which may > limit the extent to which he can engage.
Hello, really the reason why I don't respond some messages is because here only I come to speak of photography, and the one that wants to analyze my practices of photography, well, but simply that don't see them, I do the same with some posts.
Sincerely I don't like to waste time.
"Redeeming the time, because the days are evil." (Ephesians 5:16, KJV)
> > Cat(h) wrote: > >> I think people would be more empathetic if he actually *tried* some of > >> the > >> suggestions people have made in the past months. It would help too to > >> know > >> his age...if 12, that is one thing; if 22, that is another.
> > All fair points. Assuming he is an adult, you'd expect him to engage > > a bit. I sense also that English is not his mother tongue, which may > > limit the extent to which he can engage.
> Hello, really the reason why I don't respond some messages is because here > only I come to speak of photography, and the one that wants to analyze my > practices of photography, well, but simply that don't see them, I do the > same with some posts.
To be fair, many posters have actually made real attempts to constructively critique your photos. It may be an idea to stop posting for a bit, borrow some photography books from your local library, or buy a few photo magazines, and learn by practice, and by looking at some other people's work.
> Sincerely I don't like to waste time.
It is wasting your time not to pay attention to what experienced photographers who post here (I am not one of them) have told you. In all honesty, and purely from a visual point of view (there are far more technically minded people here than me who can address the technical issues), none of the photos you have presented are particularly interesting. The last one you showed - an ancient cross, from the caption - is flat, dull and boring, poorly composed, and frankly, if it were not for the caption, I would not have known what it was. It probably is a very beautiful ancient object, but your photo shows it from a poor angle, with poor contrast, etc. and lets it down badly. Most of your photos are not framed properly, nor are they composed pleasingly. You displayed some caged birds recently, aiming to show the entire bird, but left bits of the birds out of the frame (i.e. the tip of the tail of the dove, may be more, I can't recall precisely). You made no effort to capture the birds in a particularly interesting or natural pose (that probably would be difficult when they are caged).
Here are a wee bird and a couple of crosses I shot two week ends ago in the Burren, in Co. Clare, Ireland. They're probably full of technical faults (and I'm putting on my chainmail in expectation of the deluge of criticism), but they look pleasing to me.
I suspect some people here are now making unpleasant comments about your posts because they are getting tired of seeing posts almost every day with the same, boring, flat, dull photos, and their advice going unheeded and unacknowledged, when you actually looked for comments.
Please don't take what I said above as a personal insult, it isn't.
Wishing you the best in your photographic endeavours,
> "Redeeming the time, because the days are evil." (Ephesians 5:16, KJV)
mmyvusenet wrote: > Sincerely, I not to have responded, if before knew about your > philosophy, and your photos of Halloween.
Favor de escribir la frase en espanol.
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>>> Sincerely, I not to have responded, if before knew about your >>> philosophy, and your photos of Halloween.
>> Favor de escribir la frase en espanol.
> Only for general knowledge, the phrase is thus "Por favor escribir el > párrafo en español"
> I think that you should continue writing in english.
Oh, OK. I didn't consider one sentence to be a paragraph, merely a phrase. As far as "favor de..." goes, I'll be sure to tell my Mexican university professor friend to stop using it. Ditto the Argentinian lawyer with whom I occasionally correspond.
FYI, I asked you to write it in Spanish because it didn't make any sense in English. I thought that it might make more sense in Spanish.
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>>>> Sincerely, I not to have responded, if before knew about your >>>> philosophy, and your photos of Halloween.
>>> Favor de escribir la frase en espanol.
>> Only for general knowledge, the phrase is thus "Por favor escribir el >> párrafo en español"
>> I think that you should continue writing in english.
> Oh, OK. I didn't consider one sentence to be a paragraph, merely a > phrase. As far as "favor de..." goes, I'll be sure to tell my Mexican > university professor friend to stop using it. Ditto the Argentinian > lawyer with whom I occasionally correspond.
> FYI, I asked you to write it in Spanish because it didn't make any sense > in English. I thought that it might make more sense in Spanish.
Normally I don't write a lot in the messages that I do about my photos because I have another profession and for me the photography is a hobby, but always I try to continue practicing, reading comments about photography, and seeing some examples, in some free time that I have.
> Normally I don't write a lot in the messages that I do about my photos > because I have another profession and for me the photography is a hobby, > but always I try to continue practicing, reading comments about > photography, and seeing some examples, in some free time that I have.
Your shit photos and social attitude are turning other peoples hobby into a job so how about you stop being a cunt and start getting a clue?
This newsgroup isn't some free consultancy service you can dip into when your royal fucking highness deigns to get off his throne.
Here are a wee bird and a couple of crosses I shot two week ends ago in the Burren, in Co. Clare, Ireland. They're probably full of technical faults (and I'm putting on my chainmail in expectation of the deluge of criticism), but they look pleasing to me.
IMHO The first rule of an image is that it is pleaseing to the maker.
I suspect some people here are now making unpleasant comments about your posts because they are getting tired of seeing posts almost every day with the same, boring, flat, dull photos, and their advice going unheeded and unacknowledged, when you actually looked for comments.
Some comments on technical changes I would make.
For both images. If you have a levels adjustment see this article. Proper use of the levels adjustment tends to give you more separation between foreground and background subjects.
On the robin. Remember pixels are cheap and expendable. Throwing them away does not create an environmental hazzard. Simply throw away any that are unecessary. Try to crop as close as you can to eliminate the extraneous pixels. Try to tone down those two large bright circles both about the same height aas the robin's head. Tone down the bright spots on the rock. These bright highlights tend to draw my eyes away from the subject, which I assume is the bird. And try to move the bird off center.
For birds and other animals, use the highest telephot lens you have and get in as close at you can. First take a distance shot to establish something then keep getting as close as conditions and the bird will permit. Unless you are shooting a catalog shot, or for National Geographic, it may not be necessary to show the entire anumal and/or its environment.
Play with this and see if it improves your images.
mmyvusenet wrote: > "Cat(h)" <cathy...@yahoo.com> escribió en el mensaje > news:bc68c8f1-d762-44d4-b58a-0cc4922321bf@a21g2000yqc.googlegroups.com... > On Nov 20, 8:48 pm, "dadiOH" <dad...@invalid.com> wrote: >> Cat(h) wrote: >>> I think people would be more empathetic if he actually *tried* some of >>> the >>> suggestions people have made in the past months. It would help too to >>> know >>> his age...if 12, that is one thing; if 22, that is another. >> All fair points. Assuming he is an adult, you'd expect him to engage >> a bit. I sense also that English is not his mother tongue, which may >> limit the extent to which he can engage.
> Hello, really the reason why I don't respond some messages is because here > only I come to speak of photography, and the one that wants to analyze my > practices of photography, well, but simply that don't see them, I do the > same with some posts.
> Sincerely I don't like to waste time.
If you are not going to "waste" your time learning from the comments
why would you expect others to waste their time reviewing your photos?
Rather than simply posting your stuff... it's time to start *thinking* about what you are doing..
maybe if you'd put some real thought into what you are doing...you could actually get good at it.
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