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Robert Coe
May 17, 2012, 8:43:11 PM5/17/12
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Is anybody else in the group a member of the Peabody Essex Museum? Going to
the opening night reception of the Ansel Adams exhibit on June 8? Martha and I
will be there: look for the short, fat, bald guy with the younger-looking
wife.
This exhibit features some of Ansel's lesser known work that emphasizes water
(rivers, lakes, oceans, etc.) rather than the mountain scenery for which he's
better known. For more info, see:
http://www.pem.org/press/press_release/220-pem_presents_ansel_adams_at_the_waters_edge
Bob
the opening night reception of the Ansel Adams exhibit on June 8? Martha and I
will be there: look for the short, fat, bald guy with the younger-looking
wife.
This exhibit features some of Ansel's lesser known work that emphasizes water
(rivers, lakes, oceans, etc.) rather than the mountain scenery for which he's
better known. For more info, see:
http://www.pem.org/press/press_release/220-pem_presents_ansel_adams_at_the_waters_edge
Bob
Alan Browne
May 18, 2012, 4:38:30 PM5/18/12
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Not sure I can sneak in a ride as far east as Salem though (about 3
hours away).
--
"A person with a new idea is a crank until the idea succeeds."
-Samuel Clemens.
PeterN
May 18, 2012, 8:48:52 PM5/18/12
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On 5/18/2012 4:38 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2012-05-17 20:43 , Robert Coe wrote:
>> Is anybody else in the group a member of the Peabody Essex Museum?
>> Going to
>> the opening night reception of the Ansel Adams exhibit on June 8?
>> Martha and I
>> will be there: look for the short, fat, bald guy with the younger-looking
>> wife.
>>
>> This exhibit features some of Ansel's lesser known work that
>> emphasizes water
>> (rivers, lakes, oceans, etc.) rather than the mountain scenery for
>> which he's
>> better known. For more info, see:
>> http://www.pem.org/press/press_release/220-pem_presents_ansel_adams_at_the_waters_edge
>>
>
> We're planning on western MA in early July for an economics seminar. Not
> sure I can sneak in a ride as far east as Salem though (about 3 hours
> away).
>
If my leg is better we will be in MA several weekends this summer.
> On 2012-05-17 20:43 , Robert Coe wrote:
>> Is anybody else in the group a member of the Peabody Essex Museum?
>> Going to
>> the opening night reception of the Ansel Adams exhibit on June 8?
>> Martha and I
>> will be there: look for the short, fat, bald guy with the younger-looking
>> wife.
>>
>> This exhibit features some of Ansel's lesser known work that
>> emphasizes water
>> (rivers, lakes, oceans, etc.) rather than the mountain scenery for
>> which he's
>> better known. For more info, see:
>> http://www.pem.org/press/press_release/220-pem_presents_ansel_adams_at_the_waters_edge
>>
>
> We're planning on western MA in early July for an economics seminar. Not
> sure I can sneak in a ride as far east as Salem though (about 3 hours
> away).
>
Amherst, for a photo convention, and Tanglewood, If we can travel, awe
will also spend a week in ME and definitely stop n Salem.
--
Peter
philo
May 19, 2012, 7:05:51 AM5/19/12
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MA...I am sure we will find some photo exhibits there.
As a matter of fact, a lot of rain is predicted so we may hit up more
galleries than we usually do.
We normally do a lot of walking 5 - 9 miles a day...
but both of my knees gave out and my walking is quite limited.
I am going to get knee replacement surgery soon after we get back.
Both of them!
I will finally have time to sort though the thousands of photos I have.
If anyone is in NY next week, my wife and I will be easy to spot...
Another short, bald man with a younger looking wife.
I am not fat though, but I limp a bit!
--
https://www.createspace.com/3707686
PeterN
May 19, 2012, 2:36:18 PM5/19/12
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overweight. I live just East on NY. Right now my walking is limited, but
contact me by email, if you want to meet for some sunset or evening
shooting. I go for hyperbaric treatments at 2:00, so I am not available
until after 5:00.
--
Peter
philo
May 19, 2012, 4:48:09 PM5/19/12
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On 05/19/2012 01:36 PM, PeterN wrote:
> On 5/19/2012 7:05 AM, philo wrote:
>> On 05/18/2012 07:48 PM, PeterN wrote:
>>> On 5/18/2012 4:38 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
>>>> On 2012-05-17 20:43 , Robert Coe wrote:
>>>>> Ido a lot of walking 5 - 9 miles a day...
> On 5/19/2012 7:05 AM, philo wrote:
>> On 05/18/2012 07:48 PM, PeterN wrote:
>>> On 5/18/2012 4:38 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
>>>> On 2012-05-17 20:43 , Robert Coe wrote:
>> but both of my knees gave out and my walking is quite limited.
>> I am going to get knee replacement surgery soon after we get back.
>> Both of them!
>>
>> I will finally have time to sort though the thousands of photos I have.
>>
>>
>> If anyone is in NY next week, my wife and I will be easy to spot...
>>
>> Another short, bald man with a younger looking wife.
>> I am not fat though, but I limp a bit!
>>
>
> There are many that meet your description. However, I am tall bald and
> overweight. I live just East on NY. Right now my walking is limited, but
> contact me by email, if you want to meet for some sunset or evening
> shooting. I go for hyperbaric treatments at 2:00, so I am not available
> until after 5:00.
>
>
>
Thanks...but my wife has our week already booked up with activities...
>> I am going to get knee replacement surgery soon after we get back.
>> Both of them!
>>
>> I will finally have time to sort though the thousands of photos I have.
>>
>>
>> If anyone is in NY next week, my wife and I will be easy to spot...
>>
>> Another short, bald man with a younger looking wife.
>> I am not fat though, but I limp a bit!
>>
>
> There are many that meet your description. However, I am tall bald and
> overweight. I live just East on NY. Right now my walking is limited, but
> contact me by email, if you want to meet for some sunset or evening
> shooting. I go for hyperbaric treatments at 2:00, so I am not available
> until after 5:00.
>
>
>
good luck on your treatment though...
I know it sometimes sucks to get old and have medical problems...
but it usually beats the alternative!
Michael
May 19, 2012, 10:38:39 PM5/19/12
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--
Michael
Robert Coe
Jun 9, 2012, 10:55:12 AM6/9/12
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On Thu, 17 May 2012 20:43:11 -0400, I <b...@1776.COM> wrote:
: Is anybody else in the group a member of the Peabody Essex Museum? Going to
The event was definitely worth the trip, the only downside being the typically
horrendous traffic on Rte 128 getting there. The exhibit is large and lives up
to expectations. A lot of Ansel's relentlessly monochromatic work is
indispubably murky and repetitive, but some of it is spectacular; and all of
it is interesting. A jaw-dropping feature of this exhibit is three enormous
murals he did for a predecessor of the Wells Fargo Bank. Printing those with
mid-20th-century materials and equipment was a major engineering challenge.
Also interesting is a picture that illustrate's Adams's innovative approach to
HDR photography, which I guess survived until it was overtaken by digital
techniques.
If you live within visiting distance of the PEM and haven't seen it, you
should. It's a large, modern facility with nicely laid out exhibit space. It's
within an easy walk of a commuter train station, and there's a relatively
inexpensive city parking garage adjacent to the museum grounds. Its staff is
as friendly and helpful as any you'll find, matched only by the Wadsworth
Atheneum in Hartford. The PEM claims to have the largest collection of
photographs in the U.S., and there are two other photography exhibits (which
we didn't have time to see) going on in parallel with the Adams.
An unexpected highlight of the evening was that the museum store was selling
coffee mugs in the shape of a lens, complete with a cover that exactly
resembles a lens cap. We got the last two, but maybe they'll receive another
shipment soon! ;^)
Bob
: Is anybody else in the group a member of the Peabody Essex Museum? Going to
horrendous traffic on Rte 128 getting there. The exhibit is large and lives up
to expectations. A lot of Ansel's relentlessly monochromatic work is
indispubably murky and repetitive, but some of it is spectacular; and all of
it is interesting. A jaw-dropping feature of this exhibit is three enormous
murals he did for a predecessor of the Wells Fargo Bank. Printing those with
mid-20th-century materials and equipment was a major engineering challenge.
Also interesting is a picture that illustrate's Adams's innovative approach to
HDR photography, which I guess survived until it was overtaken by digital
techniques.
If you live within visiting distance of the PEM and haven't seen it, you
should. It's a large, modern facility with nicely laid out exhibit space. It's
within an easy walk of a commuter train station, and there's a relatively
inexpensive city parking garage adjacent to the museum grounds. Its staff is
as friendly and helpful as any you'll find, matched only by the Wadsworth
Atheneum in Hartford. The PEM claims to have the largest collection of
photographs in the U.S., and there are two other photography exhibits (which
we didn't have time to see) going on in parallel with the Adams.
An unexpected highlight of the evening was that the museum store was selling
coffee mugs in the shape of a lens, complete with a cover that exactly
resembles a lens cap. We got the last two, but maybe they'll receive another
shipment soon! ;^)
Bob
Alan Browne
Jun 9, 2012, 11:56:18 AM6/9/12
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On 2012-06-09 10:55 , Robert Coe wrote:
> On Thu, 17 May 2012 20:43:11 -0400, I <b...@1776.COM> wrote:
> : Is anybody else in the group a member of the Peabody Essex Museum? Going to
> : the opening night reception of the Ansel Adams exhibit on June 8? Martha and I
> : will be there: look for the short, fat, bald guy with the younger-looking
> : wife.
> :
> : This exhibit features some of Ansel's lesser known work that emphasizes water
> : (rivers, lakes, oceans, etc.) rather than the mountain scenery for which he's
> : better known. For more info, see:
> : http://www.pem.org/press/press_release/220-pem_presents_ansel_adams_at_the_waters_edge
>
> The event was definitely worth the trip, the only downside being the typically
> horrendous traffic on Rte 128 getting there. The exhibit is large and lives up
> to expectations. A lot of Ansel's relentlessly monochromatic work is
> indispubably murky and repetitive, but some of it is spectacular; and all of
> it is interesting. A jaw-dropping feature of this exhibit is three enormous
> murals he did for a predecessor of the Wells Fargo Bank. Printing those with
> mid-20th-century materials and equipment was a major engineering challenge.
> Also interesting is a picture that illustrate's Adams's innovative approach to
> HDR photography, which I guess survived until it was overtaken by digital
> techniques.
In what manner did that picture illustrate that?
> On Thu, 17 May 2012 20:43:11 -0400, I <b...@1776.COM> wrote:
> : Is anybody else in the group a member of the Peabody Essex Museum? Going to
> : the opening night reception of the Ansel Adams exhibit on June 8? Martha and I
> : will be there: look for the short, fat, bald guy with the younger-looking
> : wife.
> :
> : This exhibit features some of Ansel's lesser known work that emphasizes water
> : (rivers, lakes, oceans, etc.) rather than the mountain scenery for which he's
> : better known. For more info, see:
> : http://www.pem.org/press/press_release/220-pem_presents_ansel_adams_at_the_waters_edge
>
> The event was definitely worth the trip, the only downside being the typically
> horrendous traffic on Rte 128 getting there. The exhibit is large and lives up
> to expectations. A lot of Ansel's relentlessly monochromatic work is
> indispubably murky and repetitive, but some of it is spectacular; and all of
> it is interesting. A jaw-dropping feature of this exhibit is three enormous
> murals he did for a predecessor of the Wells Fargo Bank. Printing those with
> mid-20th-century materials and equipment was a major engineering challenge.
> Also interesting is a picture that illustrate's Adams's innovative approach to
> HDR photography, which I guess survived until it was overtaken by digital
> techniques.
> If you live within visiting distance of the PEM and haven't seen it, you
> should. It's a large, modern facility with nicely laid out exhibit space. It's
> within an easy walk of a commuter train station, and there's a relatively
> inexpensive city parking garage adjacent to the museum grounds. Its staff is
> as friendly and helpful as any you'll find, matched only by the Wadsworth
> Atheneum in Hartford. The PEM claims to have the largest collection of
> photographs in the U.S., and there are two other photography exhibits (which
> we didn't have time to see) going on in parallel with the Adams.
>
> An unexpected highlight of the evening was that the museum store was selling
> coffee mugs in the shape of a lens, complete with a cover that exactly
> resembles a lens cap. We got the last two, but maybe they'll receive another
> shipment soon! ;^)
pretty low, however.
We're still not sure if we're doing a road trip or flying somewhere this
summer. I'm leaning on road towards bluegrass country or Gaspé, my SO
is thinking Greece/Turkiye.
--
"Civilization is the limitless multiplication of unnecessary necessities."
-Samuel Clemens.
Robert Coe
Jun 9, 2012, 12:40:30 PM6/9/12
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On Sat, 09 Jun 2012 11:56:18 -0400, Alan Browne
<alan....@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
highlights. The accompanying commentary explains that Adams came up with a
technique for selectively developing different areas of a (large-format)
negative using different development times and (I believe) varying
temperatures and chemical strengths. IOW, the kind of detail that only a
compulsive perfectionist like Adams (or maybe Weston) would have the patience
to attempt.
Bob
<alan....@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
: On 2012-06-09 10:55 , Robert Coe wrote:
: > On Thu, 17 May 2012 20:43:11 -0400, I <b...@1776.COM> wrote:
: > : Is anybody else in the group a member of the Peabody Essex Museum? Going to
: > : the opening night reception of the Ansel Adams exhibit on June 8? Martha and I
: > : will be there: look for the short, fat, bald guy with the younger-looking
: > : wife.
: > :
: > : This exhibit features some of Ansel's lesser known work that emphasizes water
: > : (rivers, lakes, oceans, etc.) rather than the mountain scenery for which he's
: > : better known. For more info, see:
: > : http://www.pem.org/press/press_release/220-pem_presents_ansel_adams_at_the_waters_edge
: >
: > The event was definitely worth the trip, the only downside being the typically
: > horrendous traffic on Rte 128 getting there. The exhibit is large and lives up
: > to expectations. A lot of Ansel's relentlessly monochromatic work is
: > indispubably murky and repetitive, but some of it is spectacular; and all of
: > it is interesting. A jaw-dropping feature of this exhibit is three enormous
: > murals he did for a predecessor of the Wells Fargo Bank. Printing those with
: > mid-20th-century materials and equipment was a major engineering challenge.
: > Also interesting is a picture that illustrate's Adams's innovative approach to
: > HDR photography, which I guess survived until it was overtaken by digital
: > techniques.
:
: In what manner did that picture illustrate that?
Well, the print shows a picture with clear detail all over and no blown
: > On Thu, 17 May 2012 20:43:11 -0400, I <b...@1776.COM> wrote:
: > : Is anybody else in the group a member of the Peabody Essex Museum? Going to
: > : the opening night reception of the Ansel Adams exhibit on June 8? Martha and I
: > : will be there: look for the short, fat, bald guy with the younger-looking
: > : wife.
: > :
: > : This exhibit features some of Ansel's lesser known work that emphasizes water
: > : (rivers, lakes, oceans, etc.) rather than the mountain scenery for which he's
: > : better known. For more info, see:
: > : http://www.pem.org/press/press_release/220-pem_presents_ansel_adams_at_the_waters_edge
: >
: > The event was definitely worth the trip, the only downside being the typically
: > horrendous traffic on Rte 128 getting there. The exhibit is large and lives up
: > to expectations. A lot of Ansel's relentlessly monochromatic work is
: > indispubably murky and repetitive, but some of it is spectacular; and all of
: > it is interesting. A jaw-dropping feature of this exhibit is three enormous
: > murals he did for a predecessor of the Wells Fargo Bank. Printing those with
: > mid-20th-century materials and equipment was a major engineering challenge.
: > Also interesting is a picture that illustrate's Adams's innovative approach to
: > HDR photography, which I guess survived until it was overtaken by digital
: > techniques.
:
: In what manner did that picture illustrate that?
highlights. The accompanying commentary explains that Adams came up with a
technique for selectively developing different areas of a (large-format)
negative using different development times and (I believe) varying
temperatures and chemical strengths. IOW, the kind of detail that only a
compulsive perfectionist like Adams (or maybe Weston) would have the patience
to attempt.
Bob
Alan Browne
Jun 9, 2012, 1:14:09 PM6/9/12
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require a lot of "mapping and masking" to achieve. I suppose one could
selectively strip away masking to develop the areas needing most
time/chem/temp first and then "revealing" the highlight areas
progressively til last... sounds complex at best. (Imagine you get the
negative upside down...!).
Savageduck
Jun 9, 2012, 1:24:51 PM6/9/12
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--
Regards,
Savageduck
Robert Coe
Jun 9, 2012, 3:21:24 PM6/9/12
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On Sat, 09 Jun 2012 13:14:09 -0400, Alan Browne
<alan....@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
I agree that it would be extremely difficult; you presumably couldn't dare to
even use a safelight until the development was nearly complete. But I do think
it said the negative, not the print.
Bob
<alan....@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
even use a safelight until the development was nearly complete. But I do think
it said the negative, not the print.
Bob
Alan Browne
Jun 9, 2012, 3:33:38 PM6/9/12
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Savageduck
Jun 9, 2012, 4:55:39 PM6/9/12
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On 2012-06-09 12:33:38 -0700, Alan Browne
You have to go back to Adams and his implementation of the "Zone
system" which starts with visualization of the scene, metering, the use
of sheet film and compensating for desired "visualized" effects during
developing the negative. This is pure darkroom developing of the
negative using chemistry and time, no light/safelight involved. That
was left for his prints. He knew what he wanted from his negative
because of his meticulous planning and scene visualization.
For example, if developed normally the negative is unable to produce
the desired result on print. So "expansion" development is used to
increase the negative contrast to raise a Zone VII placement to Zone
VIII, Adams called this "N+1" development. This is purely a change in
chemistry, no light involved.
He would also do the reverse to get detail in shadow, or highlights on
what would have been a high contrast negative. So a scene element known
to be in Zone IX is moved to Zone VII when developing the film. This
was termed "N-1" development. Sometimes he used further extremes using
"N+2" and "N-2" development.
Only then did he move on to using the Zone System on his prints using
his dodging and burning techniques and toning with chemistry.
--
Regards,
Savageduck
system" which starts with visualization of the scene, metering, the use
of sheet film and compensating for desired "visualized" effects during
developing the negative. This is pure darkroom developing of the
negative using chemistry and time, no light/safelight involved. That
was left for his prints. He knew what he wanted from his negative
because of his meticulous planning and scene visualization.
For example, if developed normally the negative is unable to produce
the desired result on print. So "expansion" development is used to
increase the negative contrast to raise a Zone VII placement to Zone
VIII, Adams called this "N+1" development. This is purely a change in
chemistry, no light involved.
He would also do the reverse to get detail in shadow, or highlights on
what would have been a high contrast negative. So a scene element known
to be in Zone IX is moved to Zone VII when developing the film. This
was termed "N-1" development. Sometimes he used further extremes using
"N+2" and "N-2" development.
Only then did he move on to using the Zone System on his prints using
his dodging and burning techniques and toning with chemistry.
--
Regards,
Savageduck
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PeterN
Jun 9, 2012, 7:29:16 PM6/9/12
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ends.
--
Peter
Alan Browne
Jun 10, 2012, 1:31:44 PM6/10/12
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On 2012-06-09 16:55 , Savageduck wrote:
> On 2012-06-09 12:33:38 -0700, Alan Browne
> <alan....@FreelunchVideotron.ca> said:
>
>> On 2012-06-09 15:21 , Robert Coe wrote:
>>> I agree that it would be extremely difficult; you presumably couldn't
>>> dare to
>>> even use a safelight until the development was nearly complete. But I
>>> do think
>>> it said the negative, not the print.
>>
>> Safelights will fog undeveloped negatives, so forget that.
>
> You have to go back to Adams and his implementation of the "Zone system"
> which starts with visualization of the scene, metering, the use of sheet
> film and compensating for desired "visualized" effects during developing
> the negative. This is pure darkroom developing of the negative using
> chemistry and time, no light/safelight involved.
I didn't mention safelight in that context just that one is not used
> On 2012-06-09 12:33:38 -0700, Alan Browne
> <alan....@FreelunchVideotron.ca> said:
>
>> On 2012-06-09 15:21 , Robert Coe wrote:
>>> I agree that it would be extremely difficult; you presumably couldn't
>>> dare to
>>> even use a safelight until the development was nearly complete. But I
>>> do think
>>> it said the negative, not the print.
>>
>> Safelights will fog undeveloped negatives, so forget that.
>
> You have to go back to Adams and his implementation of the "Zone system"
> which starts with visualization of the scene, metering, the use of sheet
> film and compensating for desired "visualized" effects during developing
> the negative. This is pure darkroom developing of the negative using
> chemistry and time, no light/safelight involved.
when developing _negatives_ as the _negative_ will __fog__. Safelights
are for working __prints__ (and even then they can fog given enough time
or intensity, just not as quickly as __negatives__.
The discussion was about Adams doing selective negative development over
the area of the film. eg: one portion of the film receiving more
time/chem/temp than other areas. This would be difficult in any context.
(I'm well aware of the principles (and most of the practices) of zone
photography)
Savageduck
Jun 10, 2012, 1:40:34 PM6/10/12
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On 2012-06-10 10:31:44 -0700, Alan Browne
Fine, fine, fine.
So we were on the same page all along?
--
Regards,
Savageduck
So we were on the same page all along?
--
Regards,
Savageduck
Alan Browne
Jun 10, 2012, 1:50:13 PM6/10/12
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HDR idea and I was trying to understand it (and I still don't get what
specifically AA was doing).
otter
Jun 10, 2012, 2:10:06 PM6/10/12
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On Jun 9, 9:55 am, Robert Coe <b...@1776.COM> wrote:
> An unexpected highlight of the evening was that the museum store was selling
> coffee mugs in the shape of a lens, complete with a cover that exactly
> resembles a lens cap. We got the last two, but maybe they'll receive another
> shipment soon! ;^)
Those are all over the internet (Canon 24-105):
> An unexpected highlight of the evening was that the museum store was selling
> coffee mugs in the shape of a lens, complete with a cover that exactly
> resembles a lens cap. We got the last two, but maybe they'll receive another
> shipment soon! ;^)
http://www.shop4tech.com/user.htm?go=view_item&id=9457&r=183
There's also Nike 24-70, and Canon 70-200 versions.
Robert Coe
Jun 10, 2012, 2:53:09 PM6/10/12
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On Sun, 10 Jun 2012 10:40:34 -0700, Savageduck
<savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
: On 2012-06-10 10:31:44 -0700, Alan Browne
So who isn't on that page? Me? I was the one who mentioned a safelight, but
only to say that it WOULDN'T have helped Adams with his "zone" development of
a (presumably panchromatic) negative. So how did the argument get started?
Bob
<savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
: On 2012-06-10 10:31:44 -0700, Alan Browne
only to say that it WOULDN'T have helped Adams with his "zone" development of
a (presumably panchromatic) negative. So how did the argument get started?
Bob
Robert Coe
Jun 10, 2012, 2:58:33 PM6/10/12
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On Sun, 10 Jun 2012 11:10:06 -0700 (PDT), otter <bighor...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
I have a Canon 24-105, and the mug doesn't match it. The mug is an "Into Focus
310 ml". :^)
Bob
wrote:
310 ml". :^)
Bob
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