Why Obama Won

[Rober...@msn.com]

1. The news media in the USA has become the propaganda ministry of the far left. It has steadfastly refused not only to cover any of the numerous Obama scandals, it has even refused to MENTION them. OTOH it has spewed so many lies about Romney that it became impossible to reply in full to each and every one.

2. The Republican Party continually refuses to nominate conservative candidates. Bob Dole, John McCain and Mitt Romney are ALL big government advocates. Wherever staunch conservatives have run in state and local elections, their win rate is over 75 percent. The GOP disdains those candidates.

3. In 2008, the Sarah Palin effect on McCain's campaign brought him out of the cellar and into the LEAD when he named her as his pick. In the following three days, his campaign coffers exploded with over 50 million dollars in new donations, mostly from people who had never been involved in politics before.

McCain imploded when GW Bush announced the TARP bailout of big banks. Palin strongly opposed this from behind the scenes, but McCain, being a big government advocate, went AGAINST his own base and supported it. From that moment on, he was political dead meat.

The news media became alarmed at Palin's surge of influence, and embarked on an unprecedented campaign of non-stop smears which, over several months, embedded itself in the minds of millions of Americans. Most of these smears were outright lies. Asked what they dislike about her, nearly no one can name a single cogent reason, except to quote the press, ie, lies.

Had Sarah Palin been the Republican nominee in 2012, and had the propaganda ministry been overcome, she would be the president-elect today.

The coming four years will result in Obama on steroids -- massive debt, increasing unemployment, higher taxes, unaffordable energy costs, and foreign policy debacles. Our enemies are emboldened, and our allies will desert us.

Welcome to Obama-world.
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[tooly]

On Wednesday, November 7, 2012 2:49:32 PM UTC-5, Rober...@msn.com wrote:
> 1. The news media in the USA has become the propaganda ministry of the far left. It has steadfastly refused not only to cover any of the numerous Obama scandals, it has even refused to MENTION them. OTOH it has spewed so many lies about Romney that it became impossible to reply in full to each and every one. 2. The Republican Party continually refuses to nominate conservative candidates. Bob Dole, John McCain and Mitt Romney are ALL big government advocates. Wherever staunch conservatives have run in state and local elections, their win rate is over 75 percent. The GOP disdains those candidates. 3. In 2008, the Sarah Palin effect on McCain's campaign brought him out of the cellar and into the LEAD when he named her as his pick. In the following three days, his campaign coffers exploded with over 50 million dollars in new donations, mostly from people who had never been involved in politics before. McCain imploded when GW Bush announced the TARP bailout of big banks. Palin strongly opposed this from behind the scenes, but McCain, being a big government advocate, went AGAINST his own base and supported it. From that moment on, he was political dead meat. The news media became alarmed at Palin's surge of influence, and embarked on an unprecedented campaign of non-stop smears which, over several months, embedded itself in the minds of millions of Americans. Most of these smears were outright lies. Asked what they dislike about her, nearly no one can name a single cogent reason, except to quote the press, ie, lies. Had Sarah Palin been the Republican nominee in 2012, and had the propaganda ministry been overcome, she would be the president-elect today. The coming four years will result in Obama on steroids -- massive debt, increasing unemployment, higher taxes, unaffordable energy costs, and foreign policy debacles. Our enemies are emboldened, and our allies will desert us. Welcome to Obama-world. .

That's it...keep the faith.
But when hispanics are arriving into land at a 7-1 ratio to whites, and they vote 'socialist' at 70%...added to the other rising minorities [blacks at a 3-1 clip etc]...the death knell of the Republican Party is understood. It can no longer win elections because about half the population will vote 'anti-white' no matter what [even to re-elect a sitting president that has bungled the job]. The ONLY white person the new electoriate will vote in now has to be ultra socially progressive that serves their 'immigration' ends in the continued take over this land.

The white man has got to go [so sayeth that new electorate].

Add even to that the abandonment of white women [working single women sans the traditional family Mom] for the 'primrose path' that has been sold her for her own empowerment [sexually, politically, and otherwise]...well...Republicans were already doomed. Some of us thought they had one or two elections left where they could 'possibly' take back power...but looks like it's already 'over'.

It is more than depressing. This has never happened before in the world; the loss of a country by assault 'from within'. Oh, I suppose the ancient Romans 'deteriated' from within, but they weakened themselves so that barbarians from the north slowly usurped their outer territories, declining over time.

But this...this is something different, 'unholy'; a miscreant alliance that has captured our very women [70% block or so]...in a kind of evil matrimony to Africans as a lot. Imagine, women make up 53% of the TOTAL voting population out there, and they have been undermining our foundational domain in general elections ever since civil rights was invoked [much for their own benefit as a group; but also, for reason of this unseen 'sexual' thrill that they feel for the black man...a novelty or something, a taboo that speaks to their deeper instinct for mating rights].

I truely believe that. I offer the study of baboons as likely 'clue', where females will risk life and limb from death by alpha drakes, to mate with 'newcomer' males. There is something about the female mystique that 'seeks' out where they are forbidden to go; testing social borders, constraints of any kind...and for so so long, sexual laison with the black man was absolutely taboo [throughout western civ]. Now that sex with the black man has become socially acceptable, another dynamic has come to bear in her emotionality as a 'resentment' for her own white male to 'let it happen'. Now it is that combination that promotes her to see the white male as WEAKER.

And truly, it is so; for there has been a campaign afoot born from intellectuals of the cultural marxist movement to 'erradicate' what they called the 'authoritarian personality'. It was that 'personality type' they argued was fertile ground of the hitlerian ego...and thusly, needed to be 'eliinated'. But with such broad swords for surgical instrument, the fuller achievement of this campaign has been to cut the very nuts out from the while caucasian male; that persona what would defend it's own nest from challenge from the outer world.

And then John Wayne died. And there was no one to replace him. Only the John McCains and Mitt Romneys...good men, but lacking in their virtue for simple strength and ability to cast off enemies [that our forebears once carried to erect an entire civilization by].

Some have offered this 'instinctive' drive in the female to sexually concubine with the african speaks at the species level to ensure new DNA into the genetic mix. But this modern social dynamic has social empowerment aspects to it. It is no longer just about new DNA infusion, but about control of western civilization and the 're-habitation' of said domain by ulterior peoples [such as muslim or african...or even hispanic]. Our 'tent' is NOT that big. What we like to think of today as 'inclusion' is just a relaxation of DEFENSES to allow enemies to gain foothold in our midst...and slowly undermine us to vie for control.

Something has to give; and presently, it looks like it will be US [immort says 'US' don't exist, that this is just my projection of self onto some sort of fantasy out there that does not exist. He and other can think what they want, but I am no fool. I know what's going on. Brass Tax is that we LOST our country last night. We were hanging on by a thread anyway...but now, the 'fat lady' has sung. To date, the closest visual sighting of that 'US' has been the tea party; a congregation of foundatinal heirs who see our house being slowly dismantled, and even destroyed.

Our nation does exist. It is just disseminated; disbursed as a loose fabric that contains fiber from many corners of the world now.

We have been sold the idea that multiculturism is an ideal 'WE' should embrace, but what we find is that we have just given over domain to things that are 'not us'...alien things that would sell us out, work to destroy us, dismantling everything we ever were or stood for [like laizez faire trade and freedom in general]. These next four years are going to a dilly; when Barack can be 'more flexible' with Russian dignataries to 'sell' us out piecemeal.

Did no one from the left even bother to see D'souza's movie, '2016'?

But if you really want to 'keep the faith', I'm of the opinion this is all leading up to something...something big in the world. You can't upturn the boat for long and expect 'something' to NOT happen.

What has happened to US [this country, it's foundational heirs] has NOT been natural. Like in the USSR, when nature gets too distorted from its course by the finanglings of humans [such as intellectuals often do to screw things up]...well, there comes a time that that nature 'corrects' itself. You just can't put square pegs in round holes, or put those like Barack Obama in charge of the western world. It don't compute. The man never even liked 'US'...much less was one of "US".

[Bret Cahill]

> 1.  The news media in the USA has become the propaganda ministry of the far left.

Why can't Republicans get off their duffs, go out and get a job and
save up some money and put out their own rightist propaganda?

> It has steadfastly refused not only to cover any of the numerous Obama scandals, it has even refused to MENTION them.  OTOH it has spewed so many lies about Romney that it became impossible to reply in full to each and every one.
>
> 2.  The Republican Party continually refuses to nominate conservative candidates.  Bob Dole, John McCain and Mitt Romney are ALL big government advocates.

Toward the end of the debate so was Romney, i.e., Pell Grants, defense
spending, gummint restricting a woman's right to abortion . . .

R. tossed the wingers under the bus for the independent vote.

> Wherever staunch conservatives have run in state and local elections, their win rate is over 75 percent.  The GOP disdains those candidates.

I don't know what you mean by "conservative" but the extremist
teabaggers got Dems some seats.

> 3. In 2008, the Sarah Palin effect on McCain's campaign brought him out of the cellar and into the LEAD when he named her as his pick.  In the following three days, his campaign coffers exploded with over 50 million dollars in new donations, mostly from people who had never been involved in politics before.

Which explains a lot.

> McCain imploded when GW Bush announced the TARP bailout of big banks.  Palin strongly opposed this from behind the scenes, but McCain, being a big government advocate, went AGAINST his own base and supported it.  From that moment on, he was political dead meat.

> The news media became alarmed at Palin's surge of influence, and embarked on an unprecedented campaign of non-stop smears which, over several months, embedded itself in the minds of millions of Americans.  Most of these smears were outright lies.  Asked what they dislike about her, nearly no one can name a single cogent reason, except to quote the press, ie, lies.

Looks like you need a way to undermine/lessen the influence of the
media.

Tocqueville said in that since all Americans had freedom of speech,
the press was very weak.

T. couldn't figure out why the French couldn't figure it out.

> Had Sarah Palin been the Republican nominee in 2012, and had the propaganda ministry been overcome, she would be the president-elect today.

> The coming four years will result in Obama on steroids -- massive debt, increasing unemployment, higher taxes, unaffordable energy costs, and foreign policy debacles.  Our enemies are emboldened, and our allies will desert us.
>
> Welcome to Obama-world.

The movie 2016, like the GOP convention which tossed W. Bush under the
bush, gave Obama a bounce.


Bret Cahill

[Jack McKinney]

This was posted in a webtv newsgrpup a week prior to the election...

10 Reasons Obama Will Win in a Landslide Joseph Doolen
Election Prediction 10 Reasons Obama Will Win in a Landslide

10. Old White Dudes Aren't Enough Anymore

The demographics of this country are always changing. Now, instead of
Irish, Italian and German immigrants creating a draw for xenophobic
politics, the Other is much more identifiable. The reliability of the
elderly vote (heavily conservative) and the fact that any generic
Republican would get nearly 60%of the white male vote used to be able to
deliver vast swaths of the center of the country to a Republican
candidate. This is no longer good enough. With Republican assaults on
Medicare and Social Security becoming more widespread, many older
Americans will back President Obama. White males make up less than 40%
of the population today, leaving the Republican block of them well under
one quarter of the total vote. Where will the other, fatter quarter come
from? How does Romney get his precious 50%?

9. The War on Women

Women being majority of the population, Romney would have been wise to
tone down the rhetoric about ending Planned Parenthood. While this talk
may shore up the southern and Evangelical base, modern women are largely
pro-choice and in favor of contraception as part of health care.
Romney’s repeated promises to repeal the Affordable Health Care
Act are another attack on women’s reproductive rights.

All the while, Obama’s numbers with women are helped by the
popularity of the First Lady and his signing of the Lilly Ledbetter Fair
Pay Act into law (something the Romney campaign has never even heard
of).

8. Latino/ American

Normally a toss-up, the Latino vote swung heavily to Obama in 2008. So
did the youth vote. The largest growing youth demographic by far? You
guessed it. Romney has insulted this group with his talk of
“self-deportation” and using the insane “stop and
identify” Arizona statute as a model for federal law. Cuban
Americans? Yes, they are still key to victory and largely conservative,
but only represent about three percent of the Latino vote. Though
considered a cultural rather than racial group (skin tone amongst
Hispanics varies as much as the rest of society), Latino/as now
outnumber every other minority group, and they are more likely to vote
in 2012 than ever before. 

7. Moneyball 

Everyone knows that the grassroots online campaign waged by Obama was a
revolution in funding. Building on Howard Dean’s impressive
tactics from 2004, and with some of the same staff, Obama championed the
masses, gathering small donations at a superior rate to that of
Hillary Clinton and John McCain. His campaign knows what it is
doing.
Despite the Citizens United-derived super PACs that are swinging the
money advantage to Romney’s side, it just won’t be enough to
buy the election. Obama’s ads are often more positive, and the
negative ones more impactful. 

6. MSNBC

The failure of news media to scrutinize George W. Bush the candidate,
the run up to the Iraq war, and the unprecedented redistribution of
wealth upwards has created a populist uproar in this country, and
it’s not just libertarians this time.

The Fox News revolution in the 1990s created a culture of victimhood
among conservatives,  leading editorial pages across the country in
an uproar against “liberal media bias.”  Then the only
criticism that was allowed on popular news outlets was of leftists and
liberal ideals. When the right took power during this time, CNN, the New
York Times and everyone else tried to out-Fox the NewsCorp outlets that
became so popular. It was a business model. Now it is profitable to be a
liberal. Debate and criticism of the right wing can be found everywhere,
even on big city radio stations.

MSNBC has championed the left’s answer to Fox News by including
liberals and populists in their lineup for years. As long as it is
profitable.

Even after axing Phil Donahue, Keith Olbermann and Cenk Uygur, MSNBC
keeps a nightly drumbeat of populist Obama support (and some criticism)
from Rachel Maddow,  Chris Matthews, Lawrence O’Donnell, Ed
Schultz and even Al effing Sharpton (for Chrissakes!).  

5. Willard the Secret Liberal 

When Mitt Romney speaks, it seems as though he’s hiding something,
actively deceiving the listener. Why is this? Is perception reality? As
the former governor of a liberal state, Romney once held liberal views.
He advocated gay rights, professed to believe in global warming and
implemented an affordable and relatively socialized health care system
that still covers 98% of the state’s citizens. Candidate (for U.S.
Senate) Romney even tried to run to the left of his opponent, liberal
lion Ted Kennedy in 1994.

Now, this “perfectly lubricated weathervane” of politics, as
Jon Huntsman calls him, has reversed field. He ran to the right of a
far-right wing Republican primary field, pumping unheard-of sums of
money into the fight, often criticizing opponents for having a record of
cooperating with Democrats.
Or for having any record at all. Shockingly, he ran on claims that he is
an outsider, not a career politician.
In fact, Romney has been running for office seemingly his entire life.
He runs from his record as governor, toward his record as a corporatist.

4. Bain and Taxes

Gaining traction in the media this summer has been a drumbeat of
criticism of Romney’s elitist history. The vulture capitalism he
exhibited at Bain, dismantling companies and firing thousands in order
to profit personally. This impression of him that the public now has
cannot be washed off.
Adding insult to the injury of the shrinking middle class and growing
poor, the former governor’s financial holdings take advantage of
tax loopholes and foreign tax havens, again screwing over the Americans
that he took this money from.
The onslaught of campaign coverage recently is blasting Romney for not
releasing his taxes. Rumor mills, as well as Occam’s razor, are
telling the electorate that Romney has something to hide. Whether it is
criminal tax evasion or just more elitist holdings, it will certainly
look bad if it comes out.

Romney’s pleas for special treatment and privacy ring hollow.
People's minds will run wild about what he is hiding all the way to
election day.
And one more thing: How stupid was Romney not to sanitize his financial
holdings? His ambitions over the last decade have been obvious. This
shows that he makes very poor executive decisions.

John McCain saw 23 years of Romney’s tax returns when vetting him
to be on the 2008 ticket. He went with Sarah Palin instead.

3. Bush/Cheney

The giant hole left by the Bush administration will take a generation
to dig out of. All Republican criticisms of Obama's economy policy can
be debunked as pure politics when one takes a look at the numbers in
2008 and 2009.
The tax cuts for the rich that Romney favors would again add to the
deficit without helping the middle class at all. The stimulus and TARP,
first enacted by Bush, were not as successful as they could have been if
not for the substantial tax cuts that were included. Romney’s
support of corporate personhood indicates that, as president, he would
nominate Supreme Court justices who would uphold the Citizens
United decision.

Stimulating the economy through war appears to be an idea Romney is
comfortable with. His rhetoric on Iran, and his alignment with members
of the Project For A New American Century both indicate that he would
reinstate Bush/Cheney’s militaristic imperialism in the Middle
East.
Nationwide, Republicans are not so unpopular. The main thing holding
them back is the negative perception of the Bush/Cheney. Why is Romney
surrounding himself with the same people from such a toxic
administration?

2. Obama is Popular

This may be hard to believe as the president’s job approval
ratings hover below 50%, but considering that unemployment numbers and
the sustained economic stagnation, he must be doing something right.

Obama's likability numbers are still over 50%, and it is easy to see
why. He speaks with great thought, feeling and empathy. He is very
popular amongst minorities and women for various reasons, some obvious.
He ended the Iraq war, killed bin Laden and even pleased militarists by
stepping up the fight in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

He even gets credit for doing things that may not be popular at the
time, like prioritizing health care reform and coming out in favor of
gay marriage. What’s more, Congress has passed an incredible
amount of legislation in his first term, with the president deserving
much of the credit.

1) The Electoral Math

I won’t belabor this point, but if polls in battleground states
now and throughout this year have told us anything, it is that Obama
will win a second term. Albeit by a smaller margin than in 2008, but
still a solid win.
Obama beat McCain by seven percent in the popular vote, but crushed him
in the electoral college.

Romney is neck and neck with the president, but he must win almost every
large battleground state if he wants the upset. Granted, all
battleground states went blue in ’08, but the ground to be retaken
here is just too great.
2008 Obama states that will go red: Indiana (shocking), probably North
Carolina.

Beyond this, Romney has a set of dominoes that must fall in the
following order: Florida (29 electoral votes), Virginia (13) and Ohio
(18).
Romney still loses the electoral vote count 272 to266. He must
pick up New Hampshire or Iowa to win, possibly Nevada. I do not see
Wisconsin or Colorado going red. Obama is in serious trouble if that
starts to happen.
Unlikely. I have the count 293-245 Obama

This was my comment:

NOTE: IT COULD BE A LOT WORSE THAN THAT .... TRY 330 TO 210

You ain't seen nothing yet; just wait to 2060...

[Zerkon]

On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 11:49:32 -0800, RobertArvay wrote:

Why Obama Won?

"The news media in the USA has become the propaganda ministry of the far
left"

NewsCorp owners of FOXNEWS is the second largest media group in the
world. GE owns NBC. GE is the 6th largest corp in the US. Your statement
is sub-rational, hysterical and parrots talk radio and commercial TV
entertainers taken by some few as serious political thinkers.

These few neo-conservatives living in a commercial la-la land of
entertainment-as-politics pretty much have destroyed what was once the
GOP and what was once conservatism.

> Had Sarah Palin ....

further evidence is unnecessary

[Zerkon]

On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 15:07:51 -0800, tooly wrote:

> they vote 'socialist'

Keep thinking buddy. Your kind and your faith keeping is a 'reason' Obama
won.