True Free Will

[Ganesh J. Acharya]

But then we do not have complete true free will as well... what if we think and our body does not act? What if our body is paralyzed? So even though we have a free will, but the same is until external environment does respond to our will. But if the external environment does not respond back to our feelings it is clear that we do not have free will. And since we do not truly control our external environment, we do not have a "true free will" as well. How many have experienced "Sleep paralysis"... ? To be even precise, our Birth does not happen as per our will, our Death does not happen as per our will. What we type here is because our fingers are responding to our will. But do we truly know the inner functioning of our fingers or why they function to our will etc?

[Fred M. McNeill]

On Sat, 28 Jul 2012 22:08:26 -0700 (PDT), "Ganesh J. Acharya" <ganeshj...@gmail.com> wrote:

>But then we do not have complete true free will as well... what if we think and our body does not act? What if our body is paralyzed? So even though we have a free will, but the same is until external environment does respond to our will. But if the external environment does not respond back to our feelings it is clear that we do not have free will. And since we do not truly control our external environment, we do not have a "true free will" as well. How many have experienced "Sleep paralysis"... ? To be even precise, our Birth does not happen as per our will, our Death does not happen as per our will. What we type here is because our fingers are responding to our will. But do we truly know the inner functioning of our fingers or why they function to our will etc?

Ignorance is needed to maintain the
'human' condition and folk talk such as
the story "free will".

Also, in 'our' brain based 'virtual reality',
magic and other representations are
supported.

[bigfl...@gmail.com]

On Jul 29, 1:08 pm, "Ganesh J. Acharya" <ganeshjacha...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> But then we do not have complete true free will as well... what if we think and our body does not act? What if our body is paralyzed? So even though we have a free will, but the same is until external environment does respond to our will. But if the external environment does not respond back to our feelings it is clear that we do not have free will. And since we do not truly control our external environment, we do not have a "true free will" as well. How many have experienced "Sleep paralysis"... ? To be even precise, our Birth does not happen as per our will, our Death does not happen as per our will. What we type here is because our fingers are responding to our will. But do we truly know the inner functioning of our fingers or why they function to our will etc?

It is only when one emerges from the "box of beliefs",does the
realization of ones total sovereignty take place.

Beliefs are as integrated as one's cellular structure. The whole
consisting of many parts.

For example, many 'believe' they didnt exist before this incarnation,
so therefor much of what happens to them appears to be 'happenstance'.
They then would like to believe that there is some order and justice
'in the end' (heaven/hell or 'nothing') and try to impose their views
on the world around them (such is the nature of idealists).

. Much confidence develops when science exposes various laws regarding
such phenomena as super entanglement (telepathy), cause and effect
(karma),parallel universes (planes of existence-out of body
experiences) spontaneous remission etc etc, but there is also a belief
that interpretation of religious myths and science are on diverging
paths. (The term myth is much misunderstood)

The exciting stage is when one can start to see that all valid
scientific discovery actually confirms 'the reality of life'. Our
society generally 'believes' that this understanding (if it could ever
be validated) would come from the realm of the intellectual
elite.Priests used to be held in the same light (and still are to a
diminishing extent).

One essential component of the structure beliefs is time. K'nowing,
however is a 'now' reality, and is why masters show those interested,
how to meditate/contemplate to a stage of awareness beyond time (and
is why such wisdom discovered is in fact timeless).



BF8

[casey]

On Jul 29, 3:08 pm, "Ganesh J. Acharya" <ganeshjacha...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> But then we do not have complete true free will as well... what if we think and our body does not act? What if our body is paralyzed? So even though we have a free will, but the same is until external environment does respond to our will. But if the external environment does not respond back to our feelings it is clear that we do not have free will. And since we do not truly control our external environment, we do not have a "true free will" as well. How many have experienced "Sleep paralysis"... ? To be even precise, our Birth does not happen as per our will, our Death does not happen as per our will. What we type here is because our fingers are responding to our will. But do we truly know the inner functioning of our fingers or why they function to our will etc?

===============

Your will (the action choice made) is as free as the move made by a
computer chess program.

[Jack McKinney]

On Sat, Jul 28, 2012, 10:08pm (CDT-2) From: ganeshj...@gmail.com
(Ganesh J. Acharya) wrote:

> But then we do not have complete true
> free will as well... what if we think and
> our body does not act? What if our body
> is paralyzed? So even though we have a
> free will, but the same is until external
> environment does respond to our will.
> But if the external environment does not
> respond back to our feelings it is clear
> that we do not have free will. And since
> we do not truly control our external
> environment, we do not have a "true
> free will" as well. How many have
> experienced "Sleep paralysis"... ? To be
> even precise, our Birth does not happen
> as per our will, our Death does not
> happen as per our will. What we type
> here is because our fingers are
> responding to our will. But do we truly
> know the inner functioning of our fingers
> or why they function to our will etc?

LET'S GET BACK TO THE BASICS

Consciousness creates all; it creates the environment, and all the
physical laws that govern that environment, and then it places a part of
its on essence within this environment, so that it can experience life
as a physical being...

Consciousness in order to develop certain characteristics/abilities will
deliberately limit what it can or cannot do within the physical
environment, that it itself has created...

And while it is true that the physical beings that consciousness
creates, can not do all things, most of those limits were set *before*
the placement of the beings within physical reality..

FREE WILL RULES !

[Ganesh J. Acharya]

I don't remember creating this body I have. The universe I live in...

> it creates the environment, and all the
>
> physical laws that govern that environment, and then it places a part of
>
> its on essence within this environment, so that it can experience life
>
> as a physical being...
>

I don't remember creating this body I have. The universe I live in...
Can you explain me when I created everything? Or, did you create it
all?

>
> Consciousness in order to develop certain characteristics/abilities will
>
> deliberately limit what it can or cannot do within the physical
>
> environment, that it itself has created...
>

I don't remember creating this body I have. The universe I live in...
Can you explain me when I created everything? Or, did you create it
all?

>
> And while it is true that the physical beings that consciousness
>
> creates, can not do all things, most of those limits were set *before*
>
> the placement of the beings within physical reality..
>
>
>
> FREE WILL RULES !

I don't remember creating this body I have. The universe I live in...
Can you explain me when I created everything? Or, did you create it
all?

[Ganesh J. Acharya]

What in all the below am I actually doing?

1. As a child I felt pain (Why pain aroused?)
2. Then I already had the intent to react (Cry? Why I had developed
the intent to cry?)
3. Then I cried (My obvious reaction also did not seem to be in my
control)

In all 1,2,3 where is my free will?

[Ganesh J. Acharya]

On Jul 29, 2:07 pm, jak1...@webtv.net (Jack McKinney) wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 28, 2012, 10:08pm (CDT-2) From: ganeshjacha...@gmail.com

Only GOD seems to have "FREE WILL". Only GOD knows it all.

[Jack McKinney]

On Sun, Jul 29, 2012, 2:50am (CDT-2) From: ganeshj...@gmail.com
(Ganesh J. Acharya) wrote:

>> I don't remember anything...

Your lack of memory, which was one of the limitations that you agreed to
prior to your latest visit to physical reality... DOES NOT CHANGE
ANYTHING ...

Without consciousness, there is no universe...Period...

[Ganesh J. Acharya]

On Jul 29, 3:35 pm, jak1...@webtv.net (Jack McKinney) wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 29, 2012, 2:50am (CDT-2) From: ganeshjacha...@gmail.com

>
> (Ganesh J. Acharya) wrote:
> >> I don't remember anything...
>
> Your lack of memory, which was one of the limitations that you agreed to
> prior to your latest visit to physical reality... DOES NOT CHANGE
> ANYTHING ...
>
> Without consciousness, there is no universe...Period...

But do you remember and if not on what basis are you asserting those?

[bigfl...@gmail.com]

On Jul 29, 5:07 pm, jak1...@webtv.net (Jack McKinney) wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 28, 2012, 10:08pm (CDT-2) From: ganeshjacha...@gmail.com

I checked out your web page.

Excellent work

BF8

[bigfl...@gmail.com]

On Jul 29, 6:50 pm, "Ganesh J. Acharya" <ganeshjacha...@gmail.com>
wrote:

What can anyone say or do to show you your true nature (and to get all
the answers to the above questions?)

BF8

[bigfl...@gmail.com]

On Jul 29, 6:50 pm, "Ganesh J. Acharya" <ganeshjacha...@gmail.com>
wrote:

If you get answers from others, you are just perpetuating your own
beliefs.A start to knowing can begin only when you stop believing.

BF8

[LudovicoVan]

"Ganesh J. Acharya" <ganeshj...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:d7dc7729-1e1e-4baf...@googlegroups.com...

> But then we do not have complete true free will as well...
> what if we think and our body does not act?

"Freedom in the context of vinculi" is *the* valid and operationally
valuable scientific notion. -- That says the philosopher: the rest is
confusion.

-LV

[Dare]

Do we have free will in what we think?

[Dare]

<bigfl...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:d0b680b9-02e3-4a51...@d6g2000pbt.googlegroups.com...

>
> One essential component of the structure beliefs is time. K'nowing,
> however is a 'now' reality, and is why masters show those interested,
> how to meditate/contemplate to a stage of awareness beyond time (and
> is why such wisdom discovered is in fact timeless).

Does will exist only in relation to time?

[Ganesh J. Acharya]

Can we do an exercise and check for our selves?

What in all the below am I actually doing?

1. As a child I felt pain (Why pain aroused? The arousal of pain was
not in my hand)

2. Then I already had the intent to react (Cry? Why I had developed

the intent to cry? That was not in my hand)

3. Then I cried (My obvious reaction also did not seem to be in my

control, I cried for unknown reason)

In all 1,2,3 where is my free will?

Lets go further and check?

[Ganesh J. Acharya]

On Jul 29, 5:45 pm, "bigflet...@gmail.com" <bigflet...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Ok, I stop believing others. But then how do I proceed?
There are no feelings then around and just me all alone.
I do not allow external feelings and inner imaginations/feelings
keeping both doors closed.
What next?

[Dare]

"Ganesh J. Acharya" <ganeshj...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:45641385-bf78-4850...@po9g2000pbb.googlegroups.com...

Yes...if one has "free will" how did he come to have it?
Is having "free will", free will...or would one have "free will"
against his will ...whether he wanted it or not?
(Including the free will to limit his freedom).

[bigfl...@gmail.com]

On Jul 29, 10:07 pm, "Dare" <clydad...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> <bigflet...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:d0b680b9-02e3-4a51...@d6g2000pbt.googlegroups.com...

Only when there is personal projection attached to will.

Some mystics state that the more they become present (in the now),
they become a catalyst for the 'divine will'.

My view is, that the laws of cause and effect,(divine will to those
who think that way) on both the coarse and subtly plains, require
mediums through which to travel.

So from the observers pov, paradoxically he sees 'will' forming , but
only when he is in a timeless state of consciousness.(detached).

There are of course, metaphysicians (manipulators) who actually shape
will to their own ends.

Sounds far fetched, until you look at how Hitler was involved with
'things occult', and with what aim.

BF8

[bigfl...@gmail.com]

On Jul 29, 10:11 pm, "Ganesh J. Acharya" <ganeshjacha...@gmail.com>

The very question is part of "what next" :-).

You do not have to stop believing others. Just see beliefs for what
they are and move on.

BF8

[bigfl...@gmail.com]

On Jul 29, 10:11 pm, "Dare" <clydad...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Ganesh J. Acharya" <ganeshjacha...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:45641385-bf78-4850...@po9g2000pbb.googlegroups.com...

All of ones self created reality, is as a result of ones own free
will. The point is, it is only when one wakes up to (becomes conscious
of) this reality, that you learn the responsibility of free will.
That's what karma is all about. (without realizing reincarnation, this
doesnt make much sense)

Ever noticed that your attention becomes extremely transfixed, the
more you suffer? That's when you REALLY WANT TO KNOW !!! (like a very
disturbing alarm clock ;-).

BF8

[Hezz Hattuck]

"Ganesh J. Acharya" <ganeshj...@gmail.com> wrote in

news:d7dc7729-1e1e-4baf...@googlegroups.com:

> But then we do not have complete true free will as well...

> ... To be even precise, our Birth does not happen as per our

> will, our Death does not happen as per our will. What we type here is
> because our fingers are responding to our will. But do we truly know the
> inner functioning of our fingers or why they function to our will etc?

WILL: Is my power to want, decide, and do autonomic (originating from this
body) or heteronomic and illusionary (originating from sources outside
this body)? Screw the rest of silly hand wranglings of people in regard to
"will".

FREE: Am I really going to frame this in the context of ridiculous
quibbling over how many choices are available for me in regard to making a
decision, in a world where being human doesn't mean being an unrestricted
god to begin with? Or instead consider "free" to be reference to not
always adhering to any formal operating patterns of my governing system
when it comes to want. decide, and do. For example, are there anomalous
occurrences in the substrates of my body that eventually work their way up
into being measurable deviations from the SUPPOSED predictability of the
overall regulating system? Or can just new ways of thinking inputted into
the system cause it to deviate or re-define its manner of functioning,
always "free" to revise its scheme of operation?

> what if we
> think and our body does not act? What if our body is paralyzed? So even
> though we have a free will, but the same is until external environment
> does respond to our will. But if the external environment does not
> respond back to our feelings it is clear that we do not have free will.
> And since we do not truly control our external environment, we do not
> have a "true free will" as well. How many have experienced "Sleep
> paralysis"... ?

A duck that can't swim in water because it has no water doesn't equate to
the duck lacking the capacity to swim in water. The potential is there to
be realized if the obstructing situation can be remedied.

--
Heston Hattuck

[Joe McKinney]

On Sun, Jul 29, 2012, 7:06am (CDT-2) From: ganeshj...@gmail.com
(Ganesh J. Acharya) wrote:

> What in all the below am I actually doing?

> 1. As a child I felt pain (Why pain aroused?
> The arousal of pain was not in my hand)

> 2. Then I already had the intent to react (Cry?
> Why I had developed the intent to cry? That
> was not in my hand)

> 3. Then I cried (My obvious reaction also did
> not seem to be in my control, I cried for
> unknown reason)

> In all 1,2,3 where is my free will?

We are going in circles, but I'll repeat myself because this is
important, even though you'll probably never accept my answer...

You asked where is the free will ?

The short answer is EVERYWHERE !

You created the child, the nerves that transmit the pain, the sensation
of pain, the cause of the pain, The intent to experience the pain, the
reason why you are experiencing pain, and your response to the
experience of pain...

Without conscious intent nothing exists...

Many people have this idea of free will, ass backwards; free will is the
ONLY CHOICE, we were not given the option to not exercise will, or in
other words, to not create our own reality; we were even given the
option to believe that we lack free will...

Again, your lack of memory does not exempt you from reality...IGNORANCE
OF THE LAW, IS NO EXCUSE !

[casey]

On Jul 30, 12:11 am, "Dare" <clydad...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Ganesh J. Acharya" <ganeshjacha...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:45641385-bf78-4850...@po9g2000pbb.googlegroups.com...

The unlimited has inherent contradictions.
Like the unmovable being hit by the unstoppable.
Is God free to change his mind and know the future?
And so on ...

[casey]

On Jul 29, 8:07 pm, "Ganesh J. Acharya" <ganeshjacha...@gmail.com>

wrote:
> On Jul 29, 11:43 am, casey <jgkjca...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
> > On Jul 29, 3:08 pm, "Ganesh J. Acharya" <ganeshjacha...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > But then we do not have complete true free will as well... what if we think and our body does not act? What if our body is paralyzed? So even though we have a free will, but the same is until external environment does respond to our will. But if the external environment does not respond back to our feelings it is clear that we do not have free will. And since we do not truly control our external environment, we do not have a "true free will" as well. How many have experienced "Sleep paralysis"... ? To be even precise, our Birth does not happen as per our will, our Death does not happen as per our will. What we type here is because our fingers are responding to our will. But do we truly know the inner functioning of our fingers or why they function to our will etc?
>
> > ===============
>
> > Your will (the action choice made) is as free as the move made by a
> > computer chess program.
>
> What in all the below am I actually doing?
>
> 1. As a child I felt pain (Why pain aroused?)

Your brain computed body damage and signaled for help.

> 2. Then I already had the intent to react (Cry? Why I had developed
> the intent to cry?)

I don't know. Why did you develop the intent to cry?

Most people cry because they are having bad things happening to them
or a loved one, or thinking about bad things that might happen, or did
happen to them or a loved one.

> 3. Then I cried (My obvious reaction also did not seem to be in my
> control)

We can't always control what our lower brain systems initiate.

Crying is a primal innate reaction like sneezing.

> In all 1,2,3 where is my free will?

The will is what you want to do, free means you can do it. I don't see
"free will" as *something* you have like an arm or leg.

[Ganesh J. Acharya]

On Monday, July 30, 2012 2:27:38 AM UTC+5:30, casey wrote:
> On Jul 29, 8:07 pm, "Ganesh J. Acharya" <ganeshjacha...@gmail.com>
>
> wrote:
>
> > On Jul 29, 11:43 am, casey <jgkjca...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > > On Jul 29, 3:08 pm, "Ganesh J. Acharya" <ganeshjacha...@gmail.com>
>
> > > wrote:
>
> >
>
> > > > But then we do not have complete true free will as well... what if we think and our body does not act? What if our body is paralyzed? So even though we have a free will, but the same is until external environment does respond to our will. But if the external environment does not respond back to our feelings it is clear that we do not have free will. And since we do not truly control our external environment, we do not have a "true free will" as well. How many have experienced "Sleep paralysis"... ? To be even precise, our Birth does not happen as per our will, our Death does not happen as per our will. What we type here is because our fingers are responding to our will. But do we truly know the inner functioning of our fingers or why they function to our will etc?
>
> >
>
> > > ===============
>
> >
>
> > > Your will (the action choice made) is as free as the move made by a
>
> > > computer chess program.
>
> >
>
> > What in all the below am I actually doing?
>
> >
>
> > 1. As a child I felt pain (Why pain aroused?)
>
>
>
> Your brain computed body damage and signaled for help.

1.) Why did the body damage? Am I controlling the body damage?
2.) Why did the brain compute body damage? Am I controlling the brain
computing body damage?

>
>
> > 2. Then I already had the intent to react (Cry? Why I had developed
>
> > the intent to cry?)
>
>
>
> I don't know. Why did you develop the intent to cry?
>

No one knows, these are scientifically termed as Instincts (innate/
inherent behavior) and we live with them without knowing why. Again,
we do not control the same as well, because we do not know why we
develop the intent to cry.

>
>
> Most people cry because they are having bad things happening to them
>
> or a loved one, or thinking about bad things that might happen, or did
>
> happen to them or a loved one.
>
>
>
> > 3. Then I cried (My obvious reaction also did not seem to be in my
>
> > control)
>
>
>
> We can't always control what our lower brain systems initiate.
>
>
>
> Crying is a primal innate reaction like sneezing.
>
>
>
> > In all 1,2,3 where is my free will?
>
>
>
> The will is what you want to do, free means you can do it. I don't see
>
> "free will" as *something* you have like an arm or leg.

No, not at all, I just assumed I was performing parts of 1,2,3, as it
was in my instincts (innate/inherent behavior) to believe so as well.
If we closely observe all 1,2,3 had involuntarily happen. I was just
doing my role of watching them happening.

[Ganesh J. Acharya]

On Sunday, July 29, 2012 9:49:40 PM UTC+5:30, Joe McKinney wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 29, 2012, 7:06am (CDT-2) From: ganeshj...@gmail.com
>
> (Ganesh J. Acharya) wrote:
>
>
>
> > What in all the below am I actually doing?
>
>
>
> > 1. As a child I felt pain (Why pain aroused?
>
> > The arousal of pain was not in my hand)
>
>
>
> > 2. Then I already had the intent to react (Cry?
>
> > Why I had developed the intent to cry? That
>
> > was not in my hand)
>
>
>
> > 3. Then I cried (My obvious reaction also did
>
> > not seem to be in my control, I cried for
>
> > unknown reason)
>
>
>
> > In all 1,2,3 where is my free will?
>
>
>
> We are going in circles, but I'll repeat myself because this is
>
> important, even though you'll probably never accept my answer...
>

If you explain them perfectly and rationally without assuming things,
and without following preconscieved ideas why should I not believe in
you?

=============
The Bhagavad Gita states:
Nor does the Supreme Lord assume anyone's sinful or pious activities
(Bhagavad Gita 5.15)
From wherever the mind wanders due to its flickering and unsteady
nature, one must certainly withdraw it and bring it back under the
control of the self (Bhagavad Gita 6.26),
indicating that God does not control anyone's will, and that it is
possible to control the mind.
=============

Still, inspite of knowing all that is written, I am trying to
experiment to understand things precisely. I am not citing what's
written is wrong, just that I am trying to realize how.

>
> You asked where is the free will ?
>
>
>
> The short answer is EVERYWHERE !
>
>
> You created the child, the nerves that transmit the pain

Do I or you control the nervous system?

> , the sensation
>

Do I or you know why there is sensation, it seems to involuntary
happen.

> of pain, the cause of the pain, The intent to experience the pain, the
>
> reason why you are experiencing pain, and your response to the
>
> experience of pain...
>
>

All what you are citing happen involuntarily.

>
> Without conscious intent nothing exists...
>

I consciously seem to experience all these happening around me, and
that's it. Everything else seem to involuntarily happen.

>
> Many people have this idea of free will, ass backwards; free will is the
>
> ONLY CHOICE, we were not given the option to not exercise will, or in
>
> other words, to not create our own reality; we were even given the
>
> option to believe that we lack free will...
>

But that 'seem' true. If we had free will, why does a Living organism
have wait until the body gets repaired once paralyzed?

>
> Again, your lack of memory does not exempt you from reality...IGNORANCE
>
> OF THE LAW, IS NO EXCUSE !

Do you remember? If not, you are making an error. Lets be honest.

[Jack McKinney]

To Ganesh J. Acharya:

Let's keep this simple; the answers to all your questions are available,
and the answers are also already intuitively known by all individuals...
Don't ignore your intuitions, and don't ignore external information that
is *readily* available...

I'm not going to answer these questions for you; it is YOUR job to find
out for yourself, and not be limited by your misguided beliefs... Dig,
Dig, Dig....

This is really absurd; all there is, is Free Will, and you have people
arguing that there is no free will...

[Ganesh J. Acharya]

Ok, let me try. :-)

[123...@gmail.com]

Will is the doer in us , the question is whether the will is free or bound. Let us look at ourselves , we are the body and brain and are in truth biological-matter. Bio-chemical activity happens in the body and brain which result in the ' will ' making a decision and result in thought which questions the freedom of will itself.
In this age of science it is not hard for us to accept that our genes and our personality which has been molded by our environment that are the causative factors of our ' will '. When we try to change ourselves psychologically it is the innate drive in us that takes charge of the will. Matter is bound by laws of nature and essentially we the biological- matter are also so bound.

[Jack McKinney]

On Mon, Jul 30, 2012, 12:08pm (CDT-2) From: 123...@gmail.com wrote:

> Do we have free will in what we think?
> Will is the doer in us , the question is
> whether the will is free or bound. Let us
> look at ourselves , we are the body and
> brain and are in truth biological-matter.

You need a quick review of reality; you are not your body, you are that
which creates the body, in order to gather experience being a physical
being... There is no reason why you must remain behind the times, and
thus unenlightened...

[Ganesh J. Acharya]

On Tuesday, July 31, 2012 4:48:39 AM UTC+5:30, Jack McKinney wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 30, 2012, 12:08pm (CDT-2) From: 123...@gmail.com wrote:
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> > Do we have free will in what we think?
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> > Will is the doer in us , the question is
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> > whether the will is free or bound. Let us
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> > look at ourselves , we are the body and
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> > brain and are in truth biological-matter.
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> You need a quick review of reality; you are not your body,

True

> you are that which creates the body,

On what basis? How do you know I created the body and the body was not
created by someone else?

You seem to tell the driver who drives the car makes the car as well...

[casey]

Why do you need to experience being a physical being?

[Jack McKinney]

On Mon, Jul 30, 2012, 9:06pm (CDT-2) From: ganeshj...@gmail.com
(Ganesh J. Acharya) wrote:

>> you are that which creates the body,

> On what basis? How do you know I
> created the body and the body was not
> created by someone else?

> You seem to tell the driver who drives
> the car makes the car as well...

Finally you got it; but not only are you the driver, and the maker of
the car, you are also the car itself, the road on which the car rides,
the weather that affects the performance of the car, the fuel that
powers the car, and all the traffic that you encounter while driving the
car...

CONSCIOUSNESS CREATES ALL !

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O Mon, Jul 30, 2012, 9:55pm (CDT-2) From: jgkj...@yahoo.com.au (casey)
wrote:

> Why do you need to experience being a
> physical being?

Who said anything about a need. Your decision to experience life as a
physical being was a choice you made, using your own free will... Each
individual will have his own personal reason or reasons, but I'm
beginning to believe my decision was based on a desire to enlighten the
atheist of the world...

[Zinnic]

Just like the rest of the delusional preachers that think they are especially "enlightened"?

[bigfl...@gmail.com]

On Jul 31, 12:06 pm, "Ganesh J. Acharya" <ganeshjacha...@gmail.com>
wrote:

The car is simply a combination of raw materials, and mans intelligent
creative skills.Of course,there are men who can make the car and drive
it.

The average consciousness can recognise this, but not when the
creation becomes more complicated, and involves bio programming (as in
DNA).

We now have the technology to observe the brain reforming to comply
with both internal and external influences. The brain consists of
neurons which have the capacity for such plasticity.

This should at least stimulate the question "which part of the brain
is actually me, and 'calls the shots' ?

BF8

[bigfl...@gmail.com]

You are NOT a physical being, you 'HAVE' physical being.

Why? To learn limited consequences of your creative power .

Free will goes through a number of stages within the
individual.Initially the attempt to apply it actually creates self
imposed limitations, often involving the law of super entanglement.We
each create limitations, feel the restrictions, then, through
discomfort, awake to what was really going on.

The purpose is to know.

BF8

[Zinnic]

On Jul 31, 7:58 am, "bigflet...@gmail.com" <bigflet...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hi Brian.
Ongoing research to answer that question is continuing apace in the
field known as cognitive neuroscience. But I guess that like the rest
of us you knew that and I need not have bothered to mention it. :)
Zinnic

[Zinnic]

On Jul 31, 8:05 am, "bigflet...@gmail.com" <bigflet...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Same old BOfL. What is the purpose in knowing the purpose? Still
leaves endless questions!

[bigfl...@gmail.com]

On Jul 31, 8:06 pm, Zinnic <zinnic....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Just like the rest of the delusional preachers that think they are especially "enlightened"?

So you feel a sense of enlightenment, regarding the enlightened
ones ;-).

It takes a lot of time to create then unravel delusions. Im quite
happy for such preachers to point them out.

BF8

[Zerkon]

In article <22401-501...@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net>, jak1949
@webtv.net says...
> Consciousness creates all;
>


LET'S NEVER LEAVE THE BASICS

All creates consciousness

[Ganesh J. Acharya]

On Jul 29, 6:48 pm, Dare <clydad...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 7/29/2012 1:08 AM, Ganesh J. Acharya wrote:> But then we do not have complete true free will as well...
>
>  > what if we think and our body does not act? What if our body
>  > is paralyzed? So even though we have a free will, but the
>  > same is until external environment does respond to our will.
>  > But if the external environment does not respond back to our
>  > feelings it is clear that we do not have free will.
>  > And since we do not truly control our external environment,
>  > we do not have a "true free will" as well. How many have
>  > experienced "Sleep paralysis"... ? To be even precise,
>  > our Birth does not happen as per our will, our Death does not
>  > happen as per our will. What we type here is because our fingers
>  > are responding to our will. But do we truly know the inner
>  > functioning of our fingers or why they function to our will etc?
>

> Do we have free will in what we think?

Yes, thinking is imagination and seems to have no limitations. Again,
most thinking is based on our experience, which can be physical and
imaginary.

[Albert Tatlock]

<bigfl...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:eedb5344-6ed8-4c72...@tz10g2000pbc.googlegroups.com...

> the 'me that calls the shots' isn't a part of the brain but a process that
> runs on it.

[RP Singh]

We are 100% responsible or accountable for our actions , but only 0% free. That is the paradox ! Though totally bound we are responsible for every action and inaction as we are the agent or the doer.

[Zinnic]

It takes even longer to develop useful illusions. Useless ones are a doddle!
Zinnic

[M Purcell]

On Jul 31, 6:08 am, "bigflet...@gmail.com" <bigflet...@gmail.com>
wrote:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443343704577548973568243982.html

"It takes a certain amount of self-discipline to keep self-deception
from becoming a hindrance on the job or in relationships."

[Ganesh J. Acharya]

On Tuesday, July 31, 2012 8:45:14 PM UTC+5:30, RP Singh wrote:
> we are responsible for every action and inaction as we are the agent or the doer.

"we are responsible for... inaction"
Very well said... it is here everyone assumes they do not wrong, but
not acting in-spite of clearly knowing one should, one does not act
many a times.