Looneytarian Wants To Restrict Free Speech To Politicians Giving Speeches

[Bret Cahill]

> Free speech is typically regarded as political speech.

Yup. That's looneytarian "freedom."

Restricting free speech to politicians.


Bret Cahill

[Uergil]

In article
<a31f334c-1af0-45d2...@f30g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>,
BroilJAB <Design...@wmconnect.com> wrote:

> Why Not Criminalize Atheism

To criminalize atheism, or any attitude with respect to religion, at
least in the USA, would require an amendment to the constitution.

Amendment 1
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of
speech, or
of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to
petition
the Government for a redress of grievances.


And any attempt to emend that amendment might well destroy the USA.
--
"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less
remote from the- truth who believes nothing than
he who believes what is wrong.
Thomas Jefferson

[fasgnadh]

On 19/05/2012 11:56 AM, Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
wrote:
> On Fri, 18 May 2012 17:16:11 -0700 (PDT)
> "IlBe...@gmail.com"<ilbe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On May 18, 11:45 am, BroilJAB<DesignDen...@wmconnect.com> wrote:
>>> In almost every case, the culprit turns out to be
>>> an atheist --a deviant sometimes posing as a
>>> Christian, but is discovered instead to be atheist.
>>> Cut out the poison root of crime and do like almost
>>> all prior cultures: criminalize atheism.

No, you cannot have freedom to think and believe (which EVERY
atheist regime in history has oppressed!!) without the freedom
to not think and not believe.

Criminal the CRIMINAL **ACTS**, irrespective of who makes them.

>> There are no greater bad repercussions than a nation which is
>> atheistic :

True, the worst tyrannies in human history have been the atheist
regimes, there are none worse.

the death toll alone was over 80,000,000 men women and children,
far worse than any religion.

>> No moral laws that people want to have (yet they demand
>> others treat them with high moral laws) , not wanting absolute truth
>> except for the absolute truth that atheism is true , a springboard
>> into anarchy , seeing no intrinsic value behind 'accidental ,
>> unpurposed, randomly fashioned' Mankind , an apathetic view toward
>> any and every immoral lifestyle which harms people and a society ,
>> and this is just a very small portion of the fallout from atheism.
>
> The "fallout from atheism?"

The terror torture and mass murder in the atheist regimes are well
documented, the Union of Savage Slaughter and Repression(USSR),
Mao's Great Leap Backward and Cultural Devolution, Pol Pot's Year Zero..
killed over 80,000,000 and left those nations wrecked.

> You do know that societies with codes of
> conduct were formed long before religion ever existed,

Well you haven't named even one, so clearly YOU DON'T know of any!

As the first evidence of civilisation was temples in the neolithic
era, you are clearly making shit up.

> right?
>
> Here's a list of some of the more common "atheistic values"

“Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the
entrails of the last priest.”
― Denis Diderot


"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

"How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
- Lenin
Your list below is not "Atheist" values, but is merely
a derivative source, from a website created in the past few years,
there is no historical evidence that these values originated
in atheist societies.. in fact every atheist regime denied,
opposed and repressed them and persecuted, oppressed, tortured
and killed those who practised them.

> http://www.atheistfrontier.com/values/

All, as Alain de Botton openly advised atheists to do, STOLEN
from the spiritual teachings of religions dating back to the
dawn of recorded history.

Each of these values is celebrated in the texts of the worlds religions,
I can quote those primary sources. You have not been able to cite a
single atheist document earluer than those sacred texts!

ie, your claims are complete bullshit.


> These "atheistic values" are

lets hear them from the atheists of history:

"the state established atheism as the only scientific truth."
- Daniel Peris,
"Storming the Heavens: The Soviet League of the Militant Godless"
Cornell University Press 1998 ISBN 9780801434853

"Criticism of atheism was strictly forbidden"

"Between 1917 and 1940, 130,000 Orthodox priests were arrested.
In 1918, the Cheka under Felix Dzerzhinsky executed over
3000 Orthodox clergymen of all ranks.
Some were drowned in ice-holes or poured over with cold water
in winter until they turned to ice-pillars."

- John Shelton Curtis, The Russian Church and the Soviet State
(Boston: Little Brown, 1953)


"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

"How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
- Lenin

Nothing much has changed since those atheist tyrannies collapsed,
atheist remain committed to their irrational oppression of theists:

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest

# From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
# Message-ID: <p8mrb5lvaf0cj5bp1...@4ax.com>
# Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:46:34 -0700
#
# We kill theists and shit down their throats
#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA

Not satisfied with murder, Steve favours GENOCIDE of every
Muslim man woman and child, just for believing in something
the Atheist thugs want to prohibit again, freedom of thought and belief;

# From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.religion.islam
# Subject: Re: Islam: the perfect religion and way of life for all
# Message-ID: <8t6ve5hs41qn3a2rv...@4ax.com>
# Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:58:18 -0800
#
# On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 21:22:32 +0200, "Katrina"
# <blondes_g...@yahoo.com> wrote:
#
# >Islam: the perfect religion and way of life for all
#
# It is the most foul, disgusting filth on Earth.
# The sooner we nuke you fuckers, the better.
#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA
>
> Honour, Freedom, The Arts, Knowledge,
> Friendship, Logic, and Compassion

...are all clearly alien to those atheist thugs, in reality.

As with Lenin, Mao, Diderot, Pol Pot.. they promise utopia
once the religious are eradicated.... but they deliver tyranny
and leave behind nothing but heaps of corpses.

Honour and decency were restored when the atheist regimes
collapsed,
The Arts, systematically smashed by the Red Guards, now flourish again
since China abandoned atheist tyranny, reformed it's constitution and
allowed greater religious freedom.. now they have over 300,000,000
new believers and are prospering.
The world's great art treasures are primarily the churches temples,
cathedrals, sculpture, paintings and music of theists through the
centuries. For a brief time atheist artists in the USSR and Maoist
China, famous for smashing art and culture, created crude propaganda
posters which people today only collect as a joke! B^p

Freedom exists in all the open, progressive secular democracies created
by MAJORITY RELIGIOUS societies, the USA, Australia, Europe, Indonesia,
India, Canada, Malaysia.. never once was there Freedom in any of the
Atheist regimes in history!!!!

Compassion is traditionally associated with the spiritual teachers,
Jesus, Buddha.. not with any atheist leader; Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot.

So, the virtues are all clearly linked to SPIRITUAL TEACHINGS, not to
atheism!

> I think this is a great list,

Thanks, it's easy .. I just research and print the truth.

Whereas you simply make assertions without a single SHRED of
evidence.. which is the classic atheist propaganda technique, eg:

> and they make a great case for how these values weren't created by religion.

pffffft! All you presented was a LIST, derived from the sacred texts!




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- Alain de Botton, Lanching his new Book, Religion for Atheists
The Wheeler Centre, Melbourne 19/3/2012


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"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

"We must combat religion"
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

“Down with religion and long live atheism;
the dissemination of atheist views is our chief task!”
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)



http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8290?context=latest

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8295?context=latest

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:6348?context=latest

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17478?context=latest


"How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
- Lenin

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest

http://www.c96trading.com/Nagant_NKVD_300h.jpg


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01001/Tsar-family_1001874c.jpg

[Joe Bruno]

> True, the worst tyrannies in human history have been the atheist
> regimes, there are none worse.
>
> the death toll alone was over 80,000,000 men women and children,
> far worse than any religion.

This is true, they will never accept it though. They did all
this in the name of "we don't believe in God".

You tell them brother, the one true religion is Judaism.
All others are lies.

Jesus was not divine, he was mortal and an asshole who
caused untold pain.

Screw Jesus, Pray with me.

[fasgnadh]

On 19/05/2012 3:35 PM, Joe Bruno wrote:

> On 19/05/2012 3:27 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
>> On 19/05/2012 11:56 AM, Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
>> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 18 May 2012 17:16:11 -0700 (PDT)
>>> "IlBe...@gmail.com"<ilbe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On May 18, 11:45 am, BroilJAB<DesignDen...@wmconnect.com> wrote:
>>>>> In almost every case, the culprit turns out to be
>>>>> an atheist --a deviant sometimes posing as a
>>>>> Christian, but is discovered instead to be atheist.
>>>>> Cut out the poison root of crime and do like almost
>>>>> all prior cultures: criminalize atheism.
>>
>> No, you cannot have freedom to think and believe (which EVERY
>> atheist regime in history has oppressed!!) without the freedom
>> to not think and not believe.
>>
>> Criminal the CRIMINAL **ACTS**, irrespective of who makes them.
>>
>>>> There are no greater bad repercussions than a nation which is
>>>> atheistic :
>>

>> True, the worst tyrannies in human history have been the atheist
>> regimes, there are none worse.
>>
>> the death toll alone was over 80,000,000 men women and children,
>> far worse than any religion.
>
> This is true, they will never accept it though.

Are you sure? Are you a prophet?

> They did all
> this in the name of "we don't believe in God".
>
> You tell them brother, the one true religion is

The religion of love is a part from all religions.
The lovers of God have no religion but God alone
-The Mathnawi II, 1720


# "And argue not with the People of the Scripture
# unless it be in ( a way) that is better,
# save with such of them as do wrong;
# and say: We believe in that which hath been revealed unto us
# and revealed unto you;
# our God and your God is One,
# and unto Him we surrender."
#
# - The Qur'an Sura 29 verse 46

[Joe Bruno]

> >> the death toll alone was over 80,000,000 men women and children,
> >> far worse than any religion.
>
> > This is true, they will never accept it though.
>
> Are you sure?  Are you a prophet?

I'm as sure as you are, I'm agreeing with you.

>  >  They did all
>
> > this in the name of "we don't believe in God".

Like I said, the atheists killed people in the name

of "we don't believe in God".

Everyone can see that.

> > You tell them brother, the one true religion is
>
> The religion of love is a part from all religions.
> The lovers of God have no religion but God alone
>                          -The Mathnawi II, 1720

... Judaism

Obviously Jesus was not divine, only an idiot would believe so.

[DonH]

"fasgnadh" <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:IaGtr.7194$%E2....@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com...

> ? Denis Diderot

# What is "fasgnadh"s constant argument?
All Communists are Atheists.
You are an Atheist.
Hence, you are a Communist.
This ignores the many Western Atheists, whether calling themselves
Humanists, Rationalists, Secularists, etc - who are NOT Communists.
As for that Acme of Moral Turpitude, the Commos, they are a declining
force in world affairs, and while North Korea may fit "fasgnadh"'s mould,
the Chinese seem relatively happy. Even Vietnam gets along alright, now
that Yanks' carpet bombing has ceased.
But, if "fasgnadh", the supposed Agnostic, was to visit Iran, he might
find the regime there makes no fine distinction between Heretics, whether
Atheist or Agnostic. Those who deny Allah must pay the price (imposed by
Man; as Allah is too busy running the Universe).
Meanwhile, the Wars of Religion rage everywhere.

[tooly]

critical theory is a marxist subtrafuge.

[Bret Cahill]

> > > Free speech is typically regarded as political speech.
>
> > Yup.  That's looneytarian "freedom."
>
> > Restricting free speech to politicians.
>
> > Bret Cahill
>
> critical theory is a marxist subtrafuge.

This thread is about looneytarians who want to restrict free speech to
politicians.

If you want to discuss "critical theory" or "Marxism" or "subterfuges"
feel free to start a thread on "critical theory" and "Marxism" and
"subterfuges."

But don't try to change the issue here.

he issue here is only fascists like the libertarian quoted above want
to restrict free speech to politicians.


Bret Cahill

[fasgnadh]

On 20/05/2012 6:17 AM, DonH wrote:
> "fasgnadh"<fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:IaGtr.7194$%E2....@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com...
>> On 19/05/2012 11:56 AM, Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
>> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 18 May 2012 17:16:11 -0700 (PDT)
>>> "IlBe...@gmail.com"<ilbe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On May 18, 11:45 am, BroilJAB<DesignDen...@wmconnect.com> wrote:
>>>>> In almost every case, the culprit turns out to be
>>>>> an atheist --a deviant sometimes posing as a
>>>>> Christian, but is discovered instead to be atheist.
>>>>> Cut out the poison root of crime and do like almost
>>>>> all prior cultures: criminalize atheism.
>>
>> No, you cannot have freedom to think and believe (which EVERY
>> atheist regime in history has oppressed!!) without the freedom
>> to not think and not believe.
>>

>> I Criticise the CRIMINAL **ACTS**, irrespective of who makes them.

>>
>>>> There are no greater bad repercussions than a nation which is
>>>> atheistic :
>>
>> True, the worst tyrannies in human history have been the atheist regimes,
>> there are none worse.
>>
>> the death toll alone was over 80,000,000 men women and children,
>> far worse than any religion.

Everytime I make this point, the poor brain-addled atheists, unable
to refute this clear truth, avoid it, make up some pathetic straw man
argument and argue with their own fantasy construct, because they SURE
AS SHIT cannot argue with what I DO SAY!

>>>> No moral laws that people want to have (yet they demand
>>>> others treat them with high moral laws) , not wanting absolute truth
>>>> except for the absolute truth that atheism is true , a springboard
>>>> into anarchy , seeing no intrinsic value behind 'accidental ,
>>>> unpurposed, randomly fashioned' Mankind , an apathetic view toward
>>>> any and every immoral lifestyle which harms people and a society ,
>>>> and this is just a very small portion of the fallout from atheism.
>>>
>>> The "fallout from atheism?"
>>
>> The terror torture and mass murder in the atheist regimes are well
>> documented, the Union of Savage Slaughter and Repression(USSR),
>> Mao's Great Leap Backward and Cultural Devolution, Pol Pot's Year Zero..
>> killed over 80,000,000 and left those nations wrecked.

Now watch how DonH, a typical atheist fraud, unable to dispute these
historical facts about atheist regimes, will pretend that my argument
is something quite different, and then he will argue with his
misrepresentation of what I say...

>>> Here's a list of some of the more common "atheistic values"
>>
>> "Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails
>> of the last priest."
>> ? Denis Diderot
>>
>>
>> "Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
>> -Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>>
>> "Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
>> - Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>>
>> "How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
>> - Lenin
>>

> # What is "fasgnadh"s constant argument?

Well, my argument is right there for everyone to read,
and if your were intellectually honest and capable of rational thought,
you could debate it. but you are just another weak minded, immoral,
atheist LIAR, incapable of refuting a single point that I have made. B^]

Now lets see DonH's bullshit argument

> All Communists are Atheists.

Rubbish! All the communist party members who ran the Atheist regimes
which terrorised, tortured and killed over 80,000,000 people were.. but
I have never claimed ALL communists are atheists. In fact since they
abandoned the fierce atheist persecution of all religion during the
Cultural Devolution and the Great Leap Backward, the Chinese communist
party have reformed their constitution to allow greater freedom of
belief and thought, and have begun to prosper! B^D

It's amazing how with the madness of radical militant atheist tyranny
being abandoned by a more pragmatic Communist party there has been an
explosion of theism, over 300,000,000 new believers, accompanied by
phenomenal economic growth, prosperity and technological advance..

Meanwhile, the nations the atheists all like to point to as having
declining faith, in Europe for example, have faltering economies
and rampant unemployment.. 8^o

The Chinese Communist party now recognise the efficacy of spiritual
teachings in creating social harmony and civilised progress:


"With the gradual liberalisation that developed with
Deng Xiaoping's open door reforms, religion was no
longer proscribed. In 1982, the constitution was
amended to allow Chinese people considerable freedom
of religion."

http://cbbc.org/china_guide/religion.html


"At the first world Buddhism forum in East China's Zhejiang
Province last year, the Chinese government acknowledged
the active role religion plays in building a harmonious society."

"For example, religious beliefs have helped cut down crime
to a large extent,"

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2007-02/07/content_802994.htm



"religion has been enjoying a resurgence in China over the
past 20 years, as Communist Party disapproval has eased"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6337627.stm


"Religious believers thrice the estimate
By Wu Jiao (China Daily)

"A survey has found that the number of religious believers
is three times bigger than the official estimate.

The poll of about 4,500 people, conducted by professors Tong
Shijun and Liu Zhongyu of Shanghai-based East China Normal
University from 2005 till recently, found that 31.4 percent
of Chinese aged 16 and above or about 300 million are religious."

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2007-02/07/content_802994.htm

Incredible! in just a few short years the new converts from
atheism In JUST ONE COUNTRY, far outnumber the slow increase
in tiny atheist numbers in the rest of the WORLD! B^D

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAA

The rest of this atheist stooge's lies are even more irrational:

Even IF his claim that " All Communists are Atheists." were true,
it is illogical to argue, as this moron does, that the inverse is
true:

Eg All popes are catholic does NOT mean that all Catholics are popes:

Thus his false claim that "all Communists are Atheists" does not mean
all atheists are communists.

> You are an Atheist.
> Hence, you are a Communist.

pathetic nonsense!

HE then goes on to argue with his OWN faulty illogical gibberish...

> This ignores the many Western Atheists, whether calling themselves
> Humanists, Rationalists, Secularists, etc - who are NOT Communists.
> As for that Acme of Moral Turpitude,

the atheist regimes of the 20th century, which killed over 80,000,000
people, far more than any religion in all the previous centuries..
they All failed catastrophically leaving only one, the pathetic shithole
called Nth Korea

> they are a declining force in world affairs,

they are a fucking BASKET case! B^D

They are such a powerful example of how atheist regimes are
DYSFUNCTIONAL Distopia's that htey can't even feed their people
and have fallen off the UN's Human Development Index! 8^o

> North Korea may fit "fasgnadh"'s mould,

ie, EVERY Atheist regime has been a totalitarian tyranny!!!

North Korea today.. The Union of Savage Slaughter and Repression
under Lenin and Stalin, China under Mao during the Cultural Devolution
and Pol Pot's Cambodia .. EVERY atheist regime has been a complete
CLUSTERFUCK!!!! B^p

Since the Soviet collapse Russia, still deeply wounded from the
destruction wrought by the atheist tyranny, has made some, slow
progress. China, which officially abandoned the atheist state and
it's persecution of religion has prospered, as you would expect when
greater FREEDOM of belief and thought are allowed...

> the Chinese seem relatively happy.

of course, they are no longer a dysfunctional atheist tyranny,
destroying temples and killing theists... there are now 300,000,000
new believers in china, and many of them are the Young professionals
in Shanghai, driving the Chinese Economic Miracle!!!!

It's incredible you western atheist morons haven't learned the lesson
of history as those billions of former atheist regime victims have done!


BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAA

> Even Vietnam gets along alright,

Vietnam was never listed as an atheist regime.

Thanks for continuing ot prove MY POINT! B^]

> now that Yanks' carpet bombing has ceased.

> But, if "fasgnadh", the supposed Agnostic, was to visit Iran,

Oh look.. the best these atheist propagandists can do is to IGNORE
the fact that EVERY atheist regime has been a tyranny, that EVERY
free, open, progressive, tolerant secular democracy has been built
by MAJORITY RELIGIOUS societies.. and to try and argue from ONE,
atypical case of a theocracy which is in no way TYPICAL of religious
societies, nor even of Islam.

Indonesia is the largest Muslim nation on earth, and it's far more
democratic, tolerant and progressive than ANY atheist regime in history!!!

Q.E.D.

DonH can Cherry Pick the data and lie all he likes, but he can't
escape the truth;

SOME societies claiming to be religious are tyrannies (and betray
the principles of those faiths in doing so)

ALL atheist states in History have been or are tyrannies and

All the most evolved, free, open, progressive, tolerant secular
democracies have been created and sustained by MAJORITY RELIGIOUS
societies.. not one has ever been produced by atheist states!

Q.E.D.

That explains this:


"At the dawn of the 20th Century approximately one half of the world's
population identified itself as either Muslim, Catholic, Protestant,
Hindu or Buddhist, and 100 years of secularism, and technological
advancement, and scientific progress later and that number is now
two thirds.

So, for those of you who enjoy beginning coffee shop
conversations with "The Death of God" .. it's time to change
the subject! It's time to talk about something else , because
it's not happening at all.

People are becoming more religious, not less religious,
and religion itself is also evolving"



- Dr Reza Aslan

http://www.abc.net.au/rn/bigideas/stories/2010/2929354.htm

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launched his new book "Religion for Atheists" and
no atheists are interested in talking about it:


http://altatheismfaq.blogspot.com.au/



- Alain de Botton, Lanching his new Book, Religion for Atheists
The Wheeler Centre, Melbourne 19/3/2012


http://www.abc.net.au/tv/bigideas/stories/2012/03/19/3455152.htm

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"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

"We must combat religion"
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

�Down with religion and long live atheism;
the dissemination of atheist views is our chief task!�

[fasgnadh]

Richo contradicts DonH, giving the lie to his Straw Man:
> "DonH" couldn't debate me so he falsified a Straw Man:
>> "fasgnadh"<fasgn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>>
>> news:IaGtr.7194$%E2....@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com...
>>
>>> On 19/05/2012 11:56 AM, Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
>>> wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 18 May 2012 17:16:11 -0700 (PDT)
>>>> "IlBeBa...@gmail.com"<ilbeba...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> On May 18, 11:45 am, BroilJAB<DesignDen...@wmconnect.com> wrote:
>>>>>> In almost every case, the culprit turns out to be
>>>>>> an atheist --a deviant sometimes posing as a
>>>>>> Christian, but is discovered instead to be atheist.
>>>>>> Cut out the poison root of crime and do like almost
>>>>>> all prior cultures: criminalize atheism.
>>
>>> No, you cannot have freedom to think and believe (which EVERY
>>> atheist regime in history has oppressed!!) without the freedom
>>> to not think and not believe.
>>

>>> I Criticise the CRIMINAL **ACTS**, irrespective of who makes them.

>>
>>>>> There are no greater bad repercussions than a nation which is
>>>>> atheistic :
>>
>>> True, the worst tyrannies in human history have been the atheist regimes,
>>> there are none worse.
>>
>>> the death toll alone was over 80,000,000 men women and children,
>>> far worse than any religion.
>>

>>>> The "fallout from atheism?"

Are atheists really that IGNORANT of the history of atheism? A: Yes:

>>> The terror torture and mass murder in the atheist regimes are well
>>> documented, the Union of Savage Slaughter and Repression(USSR),
>>> Mao's Great Leap Backward and Cultural Devolution, Pol Pot's Year Zero..
>>> killed over 80,000,000 and left those nations wrecked.
>>
>>>> You do know that societies with codes of
>>>> conduct were formed long before religion ever existed,
>>
>>> Well you haven't named even one, so clearly YOU DON'T know of any!

Notice that not a SINGLE atheist could name even one! B^D

Yet they line up behind these atheist BULLSHIT artists and support
each others lies and slanders! B^D

>>> As the first evidence of civilisation was temples in the neolithic
>>> era, you are clearly making shit up.
>>
>>>> right?
>>
>>>> Here's a list of some of the more common "atheistic values"
>>
>>> "Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails
>>> of the last priest."

>>> - Denis Diderot

>>
>>> "Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
>>> -Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>>
>>> "Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
>>> - Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>>
>>> "How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
>>> - Lenin
>>>
>>> Your list below is not "Atheist" values, but is merely
>>> a derivative source, from a website created in the past few years,
>>> there is no historical evidence that these values originated
>>> in atheist societies.. in fact every atheist regime denied,
>>> opposed and repressed them and persecuted, oppressed, tortured
>>> and killed those who practised them.
>>
>>>> http://www.atheistfrontier.com/values/
>>
>>> All, as Alain de Botton openly advised atheists to do, STOLEN
>>> from the spiritual teachings of religions dating back to the
>>> dawn of recorded history.
>>
>>> Each of these values is celebrated in the texts of the worlds religions,
>>> I can quote those primary sources. You have not been able to cite a

>>> single atheist document earlier than those sacred texts!

>>
>>> ie, your claims are complete bullshit.
>>
>>>> These "atheistic values" are
>>
>>> lets hear them from the atheists of history:
>>
>>> "the state established atheism as the only scientific truth."
>>> - Daniel Peris,
>>> "Storming the Heavens: The Soviet League of the Militant Godless"
>>> Cornell University Press 1998 ISBN 9780801434853
>>
>>> "Criticism of atheism was strictly forbidden"
>>
>>> "Between 1917 and 1940, 130,000 Orthodox priests were arrested.
>>> In 1918, the Cheka under Felix Dzerzhinsky executed over
>>> 3000 Orthodox clergymen of all ranks.
>>> Some were drowned in ice-holes or poured over with cold water
>>> in winter until they turned to ice-pillars."
>>
>>> - John Shelton Curtis, The Russian Church and the Soviet State
>>> (Boston: Little Brown, 1953)
>>
>>> "Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
>>> -Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>>
>>> "Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
>>> - Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>>
>>> "How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
>>> - Lenin
>>
>>> Nothing much has changed since those atheist tyrannies collapsed,
>>> atheist remain committed to their irrational oppression of theists:
>>
>>> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest
>>

>>> # From: Steve Knight<sknigh...@cox.net>

>>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism
>>> # Subject: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ

>>> # Message-ID:<p8mrb5lvaf0cj5bp1e4jbmlsqebu9j9...@4ax.com>

>>> # Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:46:34 -0700
>>> #
>>> # We kill theists and shit down their throats
>>> #
>>> # Warlord Steve
>>> # BAAWA
>>
>>> Not satisfied with murder, Steve favours GENOCIDE of every
>>> Muslim man woman and child, just for believing in something
>>> the Atheist thugs want to prohibit again, freedom of thought and belief;
>>

>>> # From: Steve Knight<sknigh...@cox.net>

>>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.religion.islam
>>> # Subject: Re: Islam: the perfect religion and way of life for all

>>> # Message-ID:<8t6ve5hs41qn3a2rv57fjcg60tufoa4...@4ax.com>

>>> # Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:58:18 -0800
>>> #
>>> # On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 21:22:32 +0200, "Katrina"

>> # What is "fasgnadh"s constant argument?
>

> He is usually quite careful not to actually make an argument.

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAA

The atheist liars can't help but CONTRADICT each other!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAA

ratzo richzo is right to point out that DonH is just another atheist LIAR

> He is a TROLL.

Yes, look at how he Ignores all the clear, rational, argument I have
made and FABRICATES this pathetic and illogical strawman:

>> All Communists are Atheists.
>> You are an Atheist.
>> Hence, you are a Communist.

BWAHAAHAHHAA That is spurious nonsense! Donh Claims that "all
communists are atheists" hence "all atheists are communist" B^p

Look you illogical atheist cretins.. all Popes are Catholic
does not mean that all Catholics are a POPES!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA

These dimwitted atheist cretins actually believe that if all
Cats are quadripeds then all quadripeds are cats!


BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAA


Priceless!



>> Western Atheists,
....
>> that Acme of Moral Turpitude
...
>> are a declining force ...
>>
>
> Mark.


So true... those idiots demonstrate WHY!!! B^D

"At the dawn of the 20th Century approximately one half of the world's
population identified itself as either Muslim, Catholic, Protestant,
Hindu or Buddhist, and 100 years of secularism, and technological
advancement, and scientific progress later and that number is now
two thirds.

So, for those of you who enjoy beginning coffee shop
conversations with "The Death of God" .. it's time to change
the subject! It's time to talk about something else , because
it's not happening at all.

People are becoming more religious, not less religious,
and religion itself is also evolving"



- Dr Reza Aslan

http://www.abc.net.au/rn/bigideas/stories/2010/2929354.htm

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- Alain de Botton, Lanching his new Book, Religion for Atheists
The Wheeler Centre, Melbourne 19/3/2012


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"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

"We must combat religion"
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

�Down with religion and long live atheism;
the dissemination of atheist views is our chief task!�

[fasgnadh]

China Blue Max mocked DonH's idiotic illogic:
> "DonH" wrote complete claptrap:

>
>> All Communists are Atheists.
>> You are an Atheist.
>> Hence, you are a Communist.

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAA

All cats are quadripeds does NOT mean all quadripeds are cats, you moron!


> All christians are war mongerring crusaders.

Clearly false just like DonH's gibberish

GIGO:

> You are christian.
> Hence, you are war mongerring crusaders.
>
>
> Oddly enough there are no wars of religion raging in Canada or much of the US.
> Do you suppose you could be tad overgeneralising


His entire Straw Man is illogical nonsense, and has nothing to do with
the post he was responding to, which the illogical atheists can't even
understand, let alone respond to rationally;

From: fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Atheistic values resulting from a fallout from atheism?
was Re: Why Not Criminalize Atheism
Message-ID: <IaGtr.7194$%E2....@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>
Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 15:27:15 +1000


On 19/05/2012 11:56 AM, Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
wrote:
> On Fri, 18 May 2012 17:16:11 -0700 (PDT)
> "IlBe...@gmail.com"<ilbe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On May 18, 11:45 am, BroilJAB<DesignDen...@wmconnect.com> wrote:
>>> In almost every case, the culprit turns out to be
>>> an atheist --a deviant sometimes posing as a
>>> Christian, but is discovered instead to be atheist.
>>> Cut out the poison root of crime and do like almost
>>> all prior cultures: criminalize atheism.

No, you cannot have freedom to think and believe (which EVERY
atheist regime in history has oppressed!!) without the freedom
to not think and not believe.

Criticise the CRIMINAL **ACTS**, irrespective of who makes them.

entrails of the last priest.”
― Denis Diderot

[fasgnadh]

On 21/05/2012 3:40 AM, Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
wrote:
> On Sat, 19 May 2012 13:55:06 -0700
> China Blue Max<chine...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> In article<keTtr.7222$%E2....@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>,

>> "DonH"<donlhu...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>
>>> All Communists are Atheists.
>>> You are an Atheist.
>>> Hence, you are a Communist.
>>

>>

>> All christians are war mongerring crusaders.

>> You are christian.
>> Hence, you are war mongerring crusaders.
>>

>>> Meanwhile, the Wars of Religion rage everywhere.

Except in every free, open progressive secular democracy
on the planet, you moron... ALL of them created by MAJORITY
RELIGIOUS societies! B^]

>> Oddly enough there are no wars of religion raging in Canada or much
>> of the US.

Of course not.. he's an idiot. B^p

> Do you suppose you could be tad overgeneralising

He's a complete fuckwit, obviously,
and you are not much better! B^D

> That reminds me of this insightful quotation:
>
> "Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing."
> -- Victor Sagerquist

Neither do any of the free, open, progressive secular democracies,
all of which were created and sustained by majority religious societies!
B^]

EVERY Atheist regime, however, terrorised tortured and killed
those who disagreed.. over 80,000,000 victims of atheist tyranny,
far greater than any religion.


So according to you, the atheist regimes had NOTHING to do
with science, but those majority religious democracies do! B^]

> Canada and the USA don't have religious wars,

They are majority religious secular democracies, the evolved
states which religious societies produced but no atheist regime
ever did!

All the atheist states in history have been totalitarian tyrannies
which made a few thousand witch-burnings in the medieval period look
like a Sunday picnic.


> I've also seen exclusionary/cliquey behaviours occur

Oh my goodness gracious.. democratic majority religious societies
refuse to elect you atheists to power.... How shocking! 8^o

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA

Do you think the fact that EVERY ATHEIST regime in history has been
a totalitarian tyranny, terrorising torturing and killing MILLIONS
might have have made your brand of infantile idiocy as popular as
a fart in a lift?

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA

> The Muslims want Sharia Law to be recognized in Canada...

And Richo wants a girlfriend.....

but NEITHER IS GOING TO HAPPEN!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAAAAA


So, take your hysterical nonsense and go stand in the corner with
Brevik, Eugene Terreblanche, Golden Dawn - the new European Nazis and
the Tea Party! B^D

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The Wheeler Centre, Melbourne 19/3/2012


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"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

"We must combat religion"
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

�Down with religion and long live atheism;
the dissemination of atheist views is our chief task!�

[fasgnadh]

raven1's hopes of alt.atheism being revived were dashed: B^]
> fasgnadh demolished the last atheist still posting their weak apologia:

>> DonH wrote:
>>> "fasgnadh"<fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:IaGtr.7194$%E2....@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com...
>>>> On 19/05/2012 11:56 AM, Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 18 May 2012 17:16:11 -0700 (PDT)
>>>>> "IlBe...@gmail.com"<ilbe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 18, 11:45 am, BroilJAB<DesignDen...@wmconnect.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In almost every case, the culprit turns out to be
>>>>>>> an atheist --a deviant sometimes posing as a
>>>>>>> Christian, but is discovered instead to be atheist.
>>>>>>> Cut out the poison root of crime and do like almost
>>>>>>> all prior cultures: criminalize atheism.
>>>>
>>>> No, you cannot have freedom to think and believe (which EVERY
>>>> atheist regime in history has oppressed!!) without the freedom
>>>> to not think and not believe.

The atheists now need me to protect them from the hostility their
years of hubris, arrogance and brutality have engendered. B^D

>>>> I Criticise the CRIMINAL **ACTS**, irrespective of who makes them.
>>>>
>>>>>> There are no greater bad repercussions than a nation which is
>>>>>> atheistic :
>>>>
>>>> True, the worst tyrannies in human history have been the atheist
>>>> regimes, there are none worse.

And the modern atheists are no more civilized:

# From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
# Message-ID: <p8mrb5lvaf0cj5bp1...@4ax.com>
# Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:46:34 -0700
#
# We kill theists and shit down their throats
#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA

>>>> the death toll alone was over 80,000,000 men women and children,
>>>> far worse than any religion.

Everytime I make this point, the poor brain-addled atheists, unable
to refute this clear truth, avoid it, make up some pathetic straw man
argument and argue with their own fantasy construct, because they SURE
AS SHIT cannot argue with what I DO SAY!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAAAA

Unlike the atheists, I have a LIFE outside USENET,
but i like to pop back and see how the decline of their NG
is going.. and invariably i find the weak pricks, who are too GUTLESS
to debate me when I'm here, talking about me WHEN I'M GONE!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAA

They think this is their chance to lie about and slander me:

>>> # What is "fasgnadh"s constant argument?
>>

>> Well, my argument is right there above for everyone to read,
>> and if you were intellectually honest and capable of rational thought,

>> you could debate it. but you are just another weak minded, immoral,
>> atheist LIAR, incapable of refuting a single point that I have made. B^]
>>

>> Now lets see DonH's bullshit argument (nothing to do with mine ;-):

*********************^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^***********************

>> "For example, religious beliefs have helped cut down crime
>> to a large extent,"

***************************^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^**********************

Wow, former atheist member of the Communist Party praising
the social benefits of RELIGION! 8^o

B^D

> Are you back again?

Oh, Now that I have established intellectual dominance, have defeated
all of your atheist Chumpions and have revealed the Achilles
heel of atheism, the HISTORICAL REALITY OF ATHEIST TYRANNY, to all of
USENET, there are literally dozens of mini-Me's copying my successful
strategy and swamping your newsgroup..

B^]


SO, .... I don't need to be here as often!! B^D

I scan the threads and note that there are hardly any atheists
initiating threads, they are completely overrun by those I have
emboldened by showing them how you atheists have NO ANSWER to
the devastating critique of Atheism in History. B^]

My strategy of the past year has been phenomenally successful!

By crossposting the evidence of atheist inability to engage in rational
debate with me, let alone refute me, I have shown not just the
religious, but the agnostics, humanists, philosophers, kooks..
... absolutely ANYONE!!!! how to dominate your NG simply by copying
my devastating critique of atheist regimes.. which drives atheists
to ground as effectively as sunlight forces vampires to cower in
THEIR underground tombs! B^]

They can all see that if they just don the garlic necklace
of discussing the REALITY of every atheist shithole in history,
they can say whatever else they want in alt.atheism knowing that
atheists will run a mile, terrified at the sight of countless
fasgnadh clones.

As you can see, I am now the elder statesman, I just pop in
occasionally, mostly to reign in the avenging angels who outnumber
the atheists and taunt them mercilessly, ..I restrain their excesses,
because they often go too far, like the "Criminalise atheism" thread..
which I opposed as it is undemocratic, more like an atheist regime!

So, I am now your Benevolent Protector, holding my snarling
hounds from your throat.

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA


> And here I was hoping

Vain hope is all you have left! B^]

And that is such sweet Irony.. because, (and this is your
ultimate humiliation) you have no more reason to hope than
theists have for belief!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAAAA

Your NG is in ashes.

# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: Re: Wow!! Been a long time!
# From: Uncle Vic <add...@withheld.com>
# Message-ID: <Xns9CB4E545...@216.196.97.131>
# Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 00:31:13 -0500
#
# One fine day in alt.atheism, "Lady Lorelei" <lori_...@eac.net> wrote:
# >
# > I don't see too many people I know around here anymore. :(
# >
# > Lady Lorelei
#
# Warlord Steve still pokes his head in


http://arrogantass.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/head_up_ass.jpg

[Something atheists never provide.. EVIDENCE! B^]




I took out the heavyweights, in recent months my crossposting
has made numerous groups aware that my strategy allows me
to post in alt.atheism with complete impunity...

naturally I have a multitude of imitators, and they post more
threads than you atheists do!

No wonder Trance Stupor and the others ran away, and your
Warlord whimpers like a whipped dog in the corner...

He always was a weak whining pussy! B^D

# From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism

# Subject: Re: Atheist Kooks: Sociopath shifts blame to others
# for their mistakes Re: A.A. Steve Knight checking in to Bellevue
# Message-ID: <1jivb5dparaegkqht...@4ax.com>
# Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 13:32:49 -0700
#
# FAQ pages for alt.atheism could land you in court.
#
# I reported you to Google abuse

#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA

> finally been institutionalized.

So, Jung was right about you weak minded fools: B^]

"Among all my patients in the second half of life, that is, over
thirty-five, there has not been one whose problem in the last
resort was not that of finding a religious outlook on life.
It is safe to say that every one of them fell ill because
he had lost that which the living religions of every age
have given their followers, and none of them has really
been healed who did not regain his religious outlook."

-Carl G. Jung Modern Man in Search of a Soul

# From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
# Message-ID: <p8mrb5lvaf0cj5bp1...@4ax.com>
# Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:46:34 -0700
#

# We're here to talk about our own personal issues as atheists

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAAAAA

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- Alain de Botton, Lanching his new Book, Religion for Atheists
The Wheeler Centre, Melbourne 19/3/2012


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"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

"We must combat religion"
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

“Down with religion and long live atheism;
the dissemination of atheist views is our chief task!”

[fasgnadh]

On 26/05/2012 12:42 AM, raven1 wrote:

> On 25/05/2012 11:54 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
>> China Blue Max mocked DonH's idiotic illogic:
>>> "DonH" wrote complete claptrap:
>>>
>>>> All Communists are Atheists.
>>>> You are an Atheist.
>>>> Hence, you are a Communist.
>>
>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAA
>>
>> All cats are quadripeds does NOT mean all quadripeds are cats, you moron!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA

>
> *Cough*

Choking on your inability to defend DonH's idiotic Strawman BULLSHIT,
or just coughing up a furball, you ridiculous atheist Pussy!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAAAA

>>
>>> All christians are war mongerring crusaders.
>>
>> Clearly false just like DonH's gibberish
>>
>> GIGO:
>>
>>> You are christian.
>>> Hence, you are war mongerring crusaders.
>>>
>>>
>>> Oddly enough there are no wars of religion raging in Canada or much of
>>> the US.

Of course not, Don is a clueless moron! B^D

Everyone can see that, except his bum boy, Richo, an even more
stupid cretin than Don!

>>> Do you suppose you could be tad overgeneralising
>>
>>
>> His entire Straw Man is illogical nonsense, and has nothing to do with
>> the post he was responding to, which the illogical atheists can't even
>> understand, let alone respond to rationally;
>

> Don was mocking *you

Don was mocking HIS words, not mine! B^]

China Blue was mocking him and so am I and everyone else! B^D

Don's idiocy bears no resemblance to my argument, that is
why you frauds SNIP and RUN from what I actually say(below),
without being able to mock ANY of it! B^]
You replace my argument with YOUR words, admit your words are IDIOTIC
but still try to claim you are mocking ME, when clearly all
you are capable of mocking is YOUR OWN IDIOCY!!!!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

Here's what I say, untouched and not even understood, let alone
refuted, by you pathetic cretins: B^D

[Michael Gordge]

Ewe've certainly done fuck all with your ability to speak freely.

MG

[me]

Fukin Idjit

[fasgnadh]

Syd_maniac proves my point:

> On 19/05/2012 3:27 PM, fasgnadh wrote:

>> On 19/05/2012 11:56 AM, Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
>> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 18 May 2012 17:16:11 -0700 (PDT)
>>> "IlBe...@gmail.com"<ilbe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On May 18, 11:45 am, BroilJAB<DesignDen...@wmconnect.com> wrote:
>>>>> In almost every case, the culprit turns out to be
>>>>> an atheist --a deviant sometimes posing as a
>>>>> Christian, but is discovered instead to be atheist.
>>>>> Cut out the poison root of crime and do like almost
>>>>> all prior cultures: criminalize atheism.
>>
>> No, you cannot have freedom to think and believe (which EVERY
>> atheist regime in history has oppressed!!) without the freedom
>> to not think and not believe.
>

> Stop lying

Ok, name ONE atheist state which allowed freedom
of thought and belief...\

Here's the list:

The Union of Savage Slaughter and Repression (USSR)?
Mao's Great Leap Backwards and Cultural Devolution?
Pol Pot's Cambodian Genocide?
..
well?
...

> Failed

Of course you did, the evidence of history shows EVERY
atheist state oppressed it's peoples, persecuted those
who wanted freedom of thought and belief, terrorised,
tortured and killed millions of people.. far more than
ANY religion! 8^o

> nuts.

Go have a cry you lying atheist shitpig and apologist for
atheist terror regimes! B^p

>> I Criticise the CRIMINAL **ACTS**, irrespective of who makes them.

[fasgnadh]

raven1 concedes the argument, snips,post-forges and runs,as usual: B^D
> fasgnadh eviscerated raven's usual pointless blather:
>> raven1 fantasised:

>>> On 25/05/2012 11:54 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
>>>> China Blue Max mocked DonH's idiotic illogic:

>>>>> "DonH" wrote complete claptrap, the opposite of my stated views:

>>>>>
>>>>>> All Communists are Atheists.
>>>>>> You are an Atheist.
>>>>>> Hence, you are a Communist.
>>>>
>>>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAA
>>>>
>>>> All cats are quadripeds does NOT mean all quadripeds are cats, you
>>>> moron!

No matter how often I point out the illogic of the atheist views
they continue to repeat them, but, insanely, try to pretend they are MY
VIEWS! B^D when I have openly, repeatedly, mocked them! B^D

They are all as Mad as cut snakes! B^D

>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA
>>
>>>
>>> *Cough*
>>
>> Choking on your inability to defend DonH's idiotic Strawman BULLSHIT...

(Don is always such a weak prick that he folds faster than the
deck chairs on the Titanic and can NEVER defend his nonsense! B^)

>> ...or just coughing up a furball, you ridiculous atheist Pussy!
>>
>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAAAA
>
> I choke

I could tell that when you snipped the entire argument
and ran, as usual!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAA!

>>>>> All christians are war mongerring crusaders.
>>>>
>>>> Clearly false just like DonH's gibberish
>>>>
>>>> GIGO:
>>>>
>>>>> You are christian.
>>>>> Hence, you are war mongerring crusaders.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Oddly enough there are no wars of religion raging in Canada or much of
>>>>> the US.
>>
>> Of course not, Don is a clueless moron! B^D
>>
>> Everyone can see that, except his bum boy, Richo, an even more
>> stupid cretin than Don!
>>
>>>>> Do you suppose you could be tad overgeneralising
>>>>
>>>> His entire Straw Man is illogical nonsense, and has nothing to do with
>>>> the post he was responding to, which the illogical atheists can't even
>>>> understand, let alone respond to rationally;
>>>
>>> Don was mocking *you
>>
>> Don was mocking HIS words, not mine! B^]
>>
>> China Blue was mocking him and so am I and everyone else! B^D
>>
>> Don's idiocy bears no resemblance to my argument, that is
>> why you frauds SNIP and RUN from what I actually say(below),
>> without being able to mock ANY of it! B^]

And that is why, in the thread from this point, the atheists
posts consist only of Don's words, self mocking drivel,
and none of my ideas are present, because the atheists
can't mock any of them, they can only snip and RUN from them!

Watch them do it EVERY reply! B^]

[Uirgil]

In article <7YZvr.7492$%E2....@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>,

fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> Ok, name ONE atheist state

Atheism is not a state religion like various types of Christianity have
so often been, Those nominally atheistic have been dictatorial states in
effect religiously worshipping their tyrant rulers, the latest of which
is North Korea, which claims to be, but is actually not atheist. They
all have had their rulers effectively deified and worshipped, just like
rulers in pre-Christian days, and just like the saints of Christianity
are effectively worshipped as little godlings.

[Uirgil]

In article <w5_vr.7287$v14....@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>,

fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> The atheists now need me

Only to serve as a bad example!

[fasgnadh]

Fidem Turdbar, the non-sentient atheist gobshite wheedled:
> raven1 snipped and ran away, his usual gutless performance:
>> fasgnadh eviscerated them both for public indecency:
>>> raven1 choked while soothing Don with a blowjob cock:
>>>> fasgnadh mocked Don :

>>>>> China Blue Max mocked DonH's idiotic illogic:

<unsnip - the atheists try to hide Don's idiocy by snipping his words.
just check out what this atheist fuckwit actually said: >

>>>>>> "DonH" wrote claptrap and then hid, crying, when I mocked him:

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All Communists are Atheists.
>>>>>>> You are an Atheist.
>>>>>>> Hence, you are a Communist.
>>>>>
>>>>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAA

It only took me one line to demolish that cretin's assinine illogic:

>>>>> All cats are quadrupeds does NOT mean all quadrupeds are cats, you
>>>>> moron!
>>>
>>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA

It's clear and obvious that Don's idiotic nonsense was mocked
to oblivion by fasgnadh, not the other way around.

> ...and he did it well.

Thanks.. The trick the atheists can't grasp is that you
have to mock something the other person ACTUALLY SAID, not
something YOU FABRICATE and then falsely claim it's something THEY
said! B^]

I have never encountered such DESPERATE intellectual dishonesty
as that of the atheists in USENET. It is chronic!

>>>> Don was mocking *your* idiotic illogic

Don never even UNDERSTOOD what I said, let alone addressed it! B^D

Clearly what he wrote is his Straw man, the proof is that you ALL
snip and run from what I DID ACTUALLY SAY!

I have you all so terrified that you can can only CREATE Strawmen
and wrestle with YOUR OWN DISHONESTY AND COWARDICE! B^]

My intellectual dominance of your entire NG is complete.

> you hateful little cretin.

Oh look, when the atheists can't defend their lies they resort to abuse.

and that is also why they snip and run from the EVIDENCE:

>>>>
>>>> *Cough*
>>>
>>> Choking on your inability to defend DonH's idiotic Strawman BULLSHIT,
>>> or just coughing up a furball, you ridiculous atheist Pussy!
>>

>> I choke

You shouldn't let Don Hold you by the ears when you give him
blowjobs.


>>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAAAA

> Mostly I come here to "alt.atheism" for the jokes.

There are a lot of them, Raven1, Bukakke, Vurgil, Olrik, you,


All of them are inadvertently funny.

> I kept laughing so hard, my chest was hurting.

that's because you were inflating your diaphragm from inside:

http://arrogantass.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/head_up_ass.jpg



That sound you hear is people laughing AT YOU, not with you. B^]

>>>>>> All christians are war mongerring crusaders.
>>>>>
>>>>> Clearly false just like DonH's gibberish
>>>>>
>>>>> GIGO:
>>>>>
>>>>>> You are christian.
>>>>>> Hence, you are war mongerring crusaders.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oddly enough there are no wars of religion raging in Canada or much of
>>>>>> the US.
>>>
>>> Of course not, Don is a clueless moron! B^D
>>>

>>>>> His entire Straw Man is illogical nonsense, and has nothing to do with
>>>>> the post he was responding to, which the illogical atheists can't even
>>>>> understand, let alone respond to rationally;
>>>>
>>>> Don was mocking *you
>>>

>>> Don was mocking HIS OWN words, not mine! B^]

[fasgnadh]

On 26/05/2012 4:27 PM, seon wrote:

>
>
> On 26/05/2012 3:59 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
>> raven1 concedes the argument, snips,post-forges and runs,as usual: B^D
>>> fasgnadh eviscerated raven's usual pointless blather:
>>>> raven1 fantasised:
>>>>> On 25/05/2012 11:54 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
>>>>>> China Blue Max mocked DonH's idiotic illogic:
>>>>>>> "DonH" wrote complete claptrap, the opposite of my stated views:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All Communists are Atheists.
>>>>>>>> You are an Atheist.
>>>>>>>> Hence, you are a Communist.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAA
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All cats are quadripeds does NOT mean all quadripeds are cats, you
>>>>>> moron!
>>
>> No matter how often I point out the illogic of the atheist views
>> they continue to repeat them, but, insanely, try to pretend they are MY
>> VIEWS! B^D when I have openly, repeatedly, mocked them! B^D
>>
>> They are all as Mad as cut snakes! B^D
>>
>>>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA
>

> If we use that trolls logic we can prove that all Muslims are terrorists.

No Seon, you are right that he uses Troll logic, I have already
demonstrated his illogic, but you demonstrate your own when you claim
that anything can be proven with it.

All that can be proven by his illogic is that he is a cretin. B^D

In fa

> All terrorists are Muslim.

Clearly false

> You are a Muslim.

also false,

> Hence, you are a terrorist.
>
> But we know not all Muslims are terrorists just like not all atheists
> are communists.


I have already told them that.. they just snip the rational argument
and pretend they are right! pfffft
Here is the rational argument, watch them snip it, or whine that
it's "too big.. their Brainz hurtz": B^D

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

From: fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com>
Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.talk.creationism,talk.atheism,
alt.agnosticism,alt.philosophy,alt.religion,alt.usenet.kooks,
aus.politics,alt.politics.republicans
Subject: Atheism is being RENOUNCED (by ATHEISTS), not criminalised!
was Re: Atheistic values resulting from a fallout from atheism?
-- Re: Why Not Criminalize Atheism
Message-ID: <cHLvr.7258$v14....@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>
Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 23:21:25 +1000

On 20/05/2012 6:17 AM, DonH wrote:

> "fasgnadh"<fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:IaGtr.7194$%E2....@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com...

>> AM, Findem Turdbar, the non-sentient atheist gobshite wrote:
>>> On Fri, 18 May 2012 17:16:11 -0700 (PDT)
>>> "IlBe...@gmail.com"<ilbe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On May 18, 11:45 am, BroilJAB<DesignDen...@wmconnect.com> wrote:
>>>>> In almost every case, the culprit turns out to be
>>>>> an atheist --a deviant sometimes posing as a
>>>>> Christian, but is discovered instead to be atheist.
>>>>> Cut out the poison root of crime and do like almost
>>>>> all prior cultures: criminalize atheism.
>>
>> No, you cannot have freedom to think and believe (which EVERY
>> atheist regime in history has oppressed!!) without the freedom
>> to not think and not believe.
>>

>> I Criticise the CRIMINAL **ACTS**, irrespective of who makes them.

>>
>>>> There are no greater bad repercussions than a nation which is
>>>> atheistic :
>>
>> True, the worst tyrannies in human history have been the atheist
>> regimes, there are none worse.
>>
>> the death toll alone was over 80,000,000 men women and children,
>> far worse than any religion.

Every time I make this point, the poor brain-addled atheists, unable

to refute this clear truth, avoid it, make up some pathetic straw man
argument and argue with their own fantasy construct, because they SURE
AS SHIT cannot argue with what I DO SAY!

>>>> No moral laws that people want to have (yet they demand others
>>>> treat them with high moral laws) , not wanting absolute truth
>>>> except for the absolute truth that atheism is true , a springboard
>>>> into anarchy , seeing no intrinsic value behind 'accidental ,
>>>> unpurposed, randomly fashioned' Mankind , an apathetic view
>>>> toward any and every immoral lifestyle which harms people
>>>> and a society , and this is just a very
>>>> small portion of the fallout from atheism.
>>>
>>> The "fallout from atheism?"
>>
>> The terror torture and mass murder in the atheist regimes are well
>> documented, the Union of Savage Slaughter and Repression(USSR),
>> Mao's Great Leap Backward and Cultural Devolution, Pol Pot's Year
>> Zero.. killed over 80,000,000 and left those nations wrecked.

Now watch how DonH, a typical atheist fraud, unable to dispute these
historical facts about atheist regimes, will pretend that my argument
is something quite different, and then he will argue with his
misrepresentation of what I say...

>>> Here's a list of some of the more common "atheistic values"
>>
>> "Man will never be free until the last king is strangled
>> with the entrails of the last priest."

>> ? Denis Diderot

>>
>>
>> "Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
>> -Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>>
>> "Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
>> - Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>>
>> "How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
>> - Lenin
>>

>> Jesus,Buddha.. not with any atheist leader; Lenin, Stalin, Mao,

>> Pol Pot.
>>
>> So, the virtues are all clearly linked to SPIRITUAL TEACHINGS, not to
>> atheism!
>>
>>> I think this is a great list,
>>
>> Thanks, it's easy .. I just research and print the truth.
>

> # What is "fasgnadh"s constant argument?

Well, my argument is right there for everyone to read,
and if your were intellectually honest and capable of rational thought,

you could debate it. but you are just another weak minded, immoral,
atheist LIAR, incapable of refuting a single point that I have made. B^]

Now lets see DonH's bullshit argument

"For example, religious beliefs have helped cut down crime
to a large extent,"

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2007-02/07/content_802994.htm



"religion has been enjoying a resurgence in China over the
past 20 years, as Communist Party disapproval has eased"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6337627.stm


"Religious believers thrice the estimate
By Wu Jiao (China Daily)

"A survey has found that the number of religious believers
is three times bigger than the official estimate.

The poll of about 4,500 people, conducted by professors Tong
Shijun and Liu Zhongyu of Shanghai-based East China Normal
University from 2005 till recently, found that 31.4 percent
of Chinese aged 16 and above or about 300 million are religious."

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2007-02/07/content_802994.htm

Incredible! in just a few short years the new converts from
atheism In JUST ONE COUNTRY, far outnumber the slow increase
in tiny atheist numbers in the rest of the WORLD! B^D

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAA

The rest of this atheist stooge's lies are even more irrational:

Even IF his claim that " All Communists are Atheists." were true,
it is illogical to argue, as this moron does, that the inverse is
true:

Eg All popes are catholic does NOT mean that all Catholics are popes:

Thus his false claim that "all Communists are Atheists" does not mean
all atheists are communists.

> You are an Atheist.
> Hence, you are a Communist.

pathetic nonsense!

HE then goes on to argue with his OWN faulty illogical gibberish...

> This ignores the many Western Atheists, whether calling themselves
> Humanists, Rationalists, Secularists, etc - who are NOT Communists.
> As for that Acme of Moral Turpitude,

the atheist regimes of the 20th century, which killed over 80,000,000
people, far more than any religion in all the previous centuries..
they All failed catastrophically leaving only one, the pathetic shithole
called Nth Korea

> they are a declining force in world affairs,

they are a fucking BASKET case! B^D

They are such a powerful example of how atheist regimes are
DYSFUNCTIONAL Distopia's that htey can't even feed their people
and have fallen off the UN's Human Development Index! 8^o

> North Korea may fit "fasgnadh"'s mould,

ie, EVERY Atheist regime has been a totalitarian tyranny!!!

North Korea today.. The Union of Savage Slaughter and Repression
under Lenin and Stalin, China under Mao during the Cultural Devolution
and Pol Pot's Cambodia .. EVERY atheist regime has been a complete
CLUSTERFUCK!!!! B^p

Since the Soviet collapse Russia, still deeply wounded from the
destruction wrought by the atheist tyranny, has made some, slow
progress. China, which officially abandoned the atheist state and
it's persecution of religion has prospered, as you would expect when
greater FREEDOM of belief and thought are allowed...

> the Chinese seem relatively happy.

of course, they are no longer a dysfunctional atheist tyranny,
destroying temples and killing theists... there are now 300,000,000
new believers in china, and many of them are the Young professionals
in Shanghai, driving the Chinese Economic Miracle!!!!

It's incredible you western atheist morons haven't learned the lesson
of history as those billions of former atheist regime victims have done!


BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAA

> Even Vietnam gets along alright,

Vietnam was never listed as an atheist regime.

Thanks for continuing ot prove MY POINT! B^]

> now that Yanks' carpet bombing has ceased.

> But, if "fasgnadh", the supposed Agnostic, was to visit Iran,

[Uirgil]

In article <yi_vr.7493$%E2....@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>,

fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> No matter how often I point out the illogic of the atheist views

You fail each time!

When you can prove, using only objective physical evidence, that any
one of the many alleged gods exists, only then will theist faith be any
more that the mental analogue of a computer virus.

[Uirgil]

In article <Aj%vr.7496$%E2....@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>,

fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > If we use that trolls logic we can prove that all Muslims are terrorists.
>
> No Seon, you are right that he uses Troll logic, I have already
> demonstrated his illogic, but you demonstrate your own when you claim
> that anything can be proven with it.

Actually not.
From a false premise one can prove anything, so that when fasgnadh
simultaneously says the premise is false but the one cannot prove
certain thing from it, it is FASGNADH that is wrong!

[Uirgil]

In article <nX_vr.7495$%E2....@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>,
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Nothing true! And nothing worth reading.

[Uirgil]

In article <nX_vr.7495$%E2....@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>,
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Nothing either true or interesting.



After two hours of conversation, Professor Dawkins walks
far afield. He talks of the possibility that we might
co-evolve with computers, a silicon destiny. And he’s
intrigued by the playful, even soul-stirring writings
of Freeman Dyson, the theoretical physicist.

In one essay, Professor Dyson casts millions of speculative
years into the future. Our galaxy is dying and humans have
evolved into something like bolts of superpowerful
intelligent and moral energy."

[So the context of discussion is now established as being
in Dyson's far future, and the following must be interpreted
in that context]

"Doesn’t that description sound an awful lot like God?"

[Again establishing that the context is Dyson's future universe]

“Certainly,” Professor Dawkins replies. “It’s highly
plausible that in the [Dyson future] universe there
are God-like creatures.”

He raises his hand, just in case a reader thinks he’s gone
around a religious bend. “It’s very important to
understand that these [future] Gods came into being by an
explicable scientific progression of incremental evolution.”

Could they be immortal?

The professor shrugs. “Probably not.” He smiles and adds ,
“But I wouldn’t want to be too dogmatic about that.”


The complete article appeared in print on September 20, 2011, in

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/20/science/20dawkins.html?pagewanted=all

Courtesy of Joe Hill:

Long-haired preachers come out every night,
Try to tell you what's wrong and what's right;
But when asked how 'bout something to eat
They will answer with voices so sweet:

Chorus:
You will eat, bye and bye,
In that glorious land above the sky;
Work and pray, live on hay,
You'll get pie in the sky when you die.

The starvation army they play,
They sing and they clap and they pray
'Till they get all your coin on the drum
Then they'll tell you when you're on the bum:

Chorus:
You will eat, bye and bye,
In that glorious land above the sky;
Work and pray, live on hay,
You'll get pie in the sky when you die.

Holy Rollers and jumpers come out,
They holler, they jump and they shout.
Give your money to Jesus they say,
He will cure all diseases today.

Chorus:
You will eat, bye and bye,
In that glorious land above the sky;
Work and pray, live on hay,
You'll get pie in the sky when you die.

If you fight hard for children and wife
Try to get something good in this life
You're a sinner and bad man, they tell,
When you die you will sure go to hell.

Chorus:
You will eat, bye and bye,
In that glorious land above the sky;
Work and pray, live on hay,
You'll get pie in the sky when you die.

Workingmen of all countries, unite,
Side by side we for freedom will fight;
When the world and its wealth we have gained
To the grafters we'll sing this refrain:

Chorus:
You will eat, bye and bye,
In that glorious land above the sky;
Work and pray, live on hay,
You'll get pie in the sky when you die.

You will eat, bye and bye,
When you've learned how to cook and to fry.
Chop some wood, 'twill do you good,
And you'll eat in the sweet bye and bye.

[dolf]

What gives BroilJAB (Design...@wmconnect.com) away is his unusual
capacity as a claimed atheist, to call the Pontiff holy when he is in
fact perverse.

It would appear that once again, we have mongrel catholic dogs engaged
in public campaigns of disinformation and vilification of the truth,
which diminishes our human rights.

dolf: “Wasn’t the Pope recently asked on: ‘Creationists need [for a]
Catholic vision’?”



BroilJAB (Design...@wmconnect.com): “Lets hope the Holy Pontiff
sets many creationists back on the right path.”



Vurgil or Uirgit? (vur...@arg.erg / uir...@uirgil.ur): “It would be a
great improvement.”



dolf: “He knows Greedy!”



BroilJAB (Design...@wmconnect.com): “From what I understand.”



Vurgil or Uirgit? (vur...@arg.erg / uir...@uirgil.ur): “Which is nothing!”



dolf: “Is it painful? 

Very soon being Roman Catholic will be prima
facie proof of guilt in claims of crimes against the dignity of the
'Sovereign Autonomy' made under the Commonwealth of Australia.”



#20 / .jackNote@zen: 5, row: 3, col: 3, nous: 7 [Super: #397 / #46 -
Guiding Contentment, Moderation of Desire; I-Ching: H1 - Creative
Principle/Heaven; Tetra: 37 - Purity, Ego: #403 / #7 - Intentional
Reversal, Dimming Radiance; I-Ching: H12 - Stagnation; Tetra: 56 -
Closed Mouth] {Transforming Nature {DOUBLE: Form of Nature {Autonomous
Nature}}}

In relation to this notion of The Decade is the meaning of Yom Kippur as
a ritual of nullification held over a 10 day period commencing a new
Moon on 18 September 2001 (as my particular interest for synchronising
the centre of the Grapple Temporal / Noumenal Reality for a 5 day period
being #41 on 13 September 2001 as a centrifugal model comprising septet
#369 magic squares with the solar / lunar chronological cycle and
rational representation of PI / ENNEAD) and the Dead Sea Scroll
chronological principle which is a cosmological straight line--hence
transcendent--in having a starting point on the Equinox of Wednesday 20
March 1996 with a new Moon on Thursday 21 March for a base 7 Numbering
system intrinsic to the cosmogony as rational representation of PI.

In that for 3 x 364 days = 1092 days there was a lunar/solar comparison
of 3 x 354 lunar years + 30 days = 1092 days. There are in a cycle of 5
x 364 days + 182 days (as a 1/2 cycle) two fragments in the Dead Sea
Scroll relics related to the 1st day of the 7th solar month as occurring
on 12 September 2001 and the 21st priestly course starting on Sunday 16
September 2001 which fragment also brings together an association of the
solar and lunar cycles which appear to have been a readily observable
phenomenon.

In that this has according to the Dead Sea Scrolls, a reprise in a 294 x
364 day years as 6 Jubilees or 293 x 365.2423 days (just short of the
tropical years, but technologically better than the Julian calendar of
365.25 days instigated in 45 BCE and reformed in 1582 CE (1751 CE in
British Empire) by the Gregorian calendar reforms due to an
intercalation error resulting in a lost of synchronicity comprising a
magnitude loss of one day every 128 years. This forms the basis for
arguing a metaphysical and cosmological origin of language as 22
elements of the Hebrew letters which is otherwise shown geometrically as
an indestructible object (atom) in the association of the 10 as Decade
(as Greek and Ennead as Egyptian notions) and counts (number) and the 22
letters as 3 horizontal (Mother letters), 7 vertical lines (Double
letters) and 12 diagonal lines (Single letters):

Kabbalistic Tree of Life

ATZILUTH {1st as “World of Emanation” also known as Olam Atzilut, עולם
אצילות in Hebrew}

BRIYAH {2nd as “World of Creation” also known as Olam Briyah, עולם בריאה
in Hebrew}

YETZIRAH {3rd as “World of Formation” also known as Olam Yetsirah, עולם
יצירה in Hebrew}

ASSIYAH {4th as “World of Action” also known as Olam Asiyah, עולם עשיה
in Hebrew}

- http://www.grapple369.com/index_files/tree.gif
- http://www.grapple369.com/index_files/yetziratic_wheel.png

This is Chaldean / Babylonian in Origins: Hebrew letters as described in
the “Sefer Yetzirah”

YETZIRAH as in “Making" is as opposed to BRIYAH as in "Creating"
Actually taking whatever matter that was created in the BRIYAH and
shaping it into the basic elements.

It is also possible to divide the number of days in 400 years in the
Gregorian calendar reforms as 146,097 days by 7 and that when made
divisible by 22 to obtain the remainder, and to arrange the Hebrew
letters in a pattern which has a remainder of #13 as being in the middle
of the Chinese 2 BCE published DAO TE CHING / I CHING division of the
year into 364.5 days and the Jewish Kabbalah equivalent which deployed a
magic square of #369 having a distinct mathematical property at centre
of #41 for the equivalent date of 13 September.

#0 MOD 22 = 22 [#TAU / #400] as 4000 BCE
#400 MOD 22 = 17 [#PE / #80]
#800 MOD 22 = 12 [#LAMED / #30]
#1200 MOD 22 = 7 [#ZAYIN / #7]
#1600 MOD 22 = 2 [#BETH / #2]
#2000 MOD 22 = 19 [#QOPH / #100]
#2400 MOD 22 = 14 [#NUN / #50]
#2800 MOD 22 = 9 [#TETH / #9]
#3200 MOD 22 = 4 [#DALETH / #4]
#3600 MOD 22 = 21 [#SHIN / #300]
#4000 MOD 22 = 16 [#'AYIN / #70] = #0 CE as HETEROS (MALE/FEMALE
MARRIAGE -- WHAT IS SIN & WICKEDNESS?) autonomic transformative
prototype and symbolic associator to the series #15 CE, #34 CE, #65 CE,
#111 CE, #175 CE, #260 CE, #369 CE ... #2000 Y2K
#4400 MOD 22 = 11 [#KAF / #20] = #400 CE
#4800 MOD 22 = 6 [#VAV / #6] = #800 CE
#5200 MOD 22 = 1 [#ALEPH / #1] = #1200 CE
#5600 MOD 22 = 18 [#TSADE / #90] = #1600 CE
#6000 MOD 22 = 13 [#MEM / #40] = #2000 Y2K / Equinox of DATE(1996,3,20)
+ (5 * 364) + 182 days = Wednesday DATE(2001,9,12) with Equinox of
Saturday DATE(2001,9,23) commencing the Sabbath year of 'oth cycle

- http://www.grapple369.com/index_files/toth9.gif

#6400 MOD 22 = 8 [#CHET / #8]
#6800 MOD 22 = 3 [#GIMEL / #3]
#7200 MOD 22 = 20 [#RESH / #200]
#7600 MOD 22 = 15 [#SAMEK / #60]
#8000 MOD 22 = 10 [#YOD / #10]
#8400 MOD 22 = 5 [#HE / #5]
#8800 MOD 22 = 22 [#TAU / #400] as 8800 CE

In many instances, the Torah also uses words and phrases in ways that
cannot be understood in their literal sense. There are a number of very
obvious examples of this in the narrative of the Creation, for the
metaphysical events that took place at that time were far removed from
the natural order of the world we know today. They could not have been
accurately described in ways that we can understand, nor in language
that we can relate to. For example, the Torah tells us how God brought
the world into being through speech, when in fact He created the world
through a form of thought. When the Torah describes God's thought
process as speech, it makes it easier for us to grasp the idea on our
own level. [Copyright © 2001 by Rabbi Daniel Travis and www.Torah.org]

dolf: “Fascist Dogs BroilJAB & Uergil discuss their creation denial!”

BroilJAB (Design...@wmconnect.com): “The deviant creationists twist
and turn, twist the words of the faithful.

Sad it is to see them like this.”

Uergil (Uer...@uer.net): “If there is any damnation, it is the nation
creationists inhabit.”

dolf: “Vurgil or Uirgit? (vur...@arg.erg / uir...@uirgil.ur)

Or is it now Uergil?

Creationist denial has its roots in German political theatre.

Numerological and mystic speculation was especially rife amongst German
Romantics and Naturphilosophien during the nineteenth century and grew
out of ancient teleological speculations concerning the harmonious
distribution of the heavenly bodies. Such speculation was by no means
confined to the celestial motions; in 1818 the Kantian mineralogist
Christian Weiss even argues for a link between aspects of
rhombic-dodecahedral crystal structure and the musical scale of tones!
However, such flights of imaginative fancy generally had little impact
upon the work of serious scientists; with one notable exception.

In 1766 Johann Daniel Titius von Wittenberg was preparing a German
translation of Charles Bonnet’s Contemplation de la Nature. To the
section on planetary motions he added a now famous footnote pointing out
that the radii of all the planetary orbits can be generated by the
following simple algorithm, where r is measured in astronomical units (1
AU = 1.496 x 1013 cm):


rn = 0.4 + 0.3 x 2n; n = 0,1,2…


This formula provided a striking approximation for the distance from the
Sun to the six then-known planets: Mercury {Measured: 0.39, Predicted:
0.4}, Venus {Measured: 0.72, Predicted: 0.7}, Earth {Measured: 1.00,
Predicted: 1.0}, Mars {Measured: 1.52, Predicted: 1.6}, Jupiter
{Measured: 5.20, Predicted: 5.2}, Saturn {Measured: 9.55, Predicted:
10.0}. Their measured distances from the Sun at the time of the Law’s
inception are indicated together with Titius’ predictions. [Rediscovery
of the Anthropic Principle, John Barrow & Frank Tipler, The Anthropic
Cosmological Principle, © 1996, p 221]

There is no more opportunity for repentance--and neither for forgiveness.

To hell with you!”

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On 27/05/12 6:58 AM, Uirgil wrote:
> In article<nX_vr.7495$%E2....@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>,
> fasgnadh<fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Nothing either true or interesting.
>
>
>
> After two hours of conversation, Professor Dawkins walks
> far afield. He talks of the possibility that we might

> co-evolve with computers, a silicon destiny. And he’s

> intrigued by the playful, even soul-stirring writings
> of Freeman Dyson, the theoretical physicist.
>
> In one essay, Professor Dyson casts millions of speculative
> years into the future. Our galaxy is dying and humans have
> evolved into something like bolts of superpowerful
> intelligent and moral energy."
>
> [So the context of discussion is now established as being
> in Dyson's far future, and the following must be interpreted
> in that context]
>

> "Doesn’t that description sound an awful lot like God?"

>
> [Again establishing that the context is Dyson's future universe]
>

> “Certainly,†Professor Dawkins replies. “It’s highly

> plausible that in the [Dyson future] universe there

> are God-like creatures.â€
>
> He raises his hand, just in case a reader thinks he’s gone
> around a religious bend. “It’s very important to

> understand that these [future] Gods came into being by an

> explicable scientific progression of incremental evolution.â€
>
> Could they be immortal?
>
> The professor shrugs. “Probably not.†He smiles and adds ,
> “But I wouldn’t want to be too dogmatic about that.â€
>
>

[raven1]

On Sat, 26 May 2012 15:59:05 +1000, fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>No matter how often I point out the illogic of the atheist views

...you fail to recognize that what you're criticizing was a deliberate
parody of your own fallacious arguments, which is too funny for words.