Sense of art?
Jochen Buegler
Wordsmith
> Hm.. whats the sense of art?
The ability to seperate the lovely from the ugly. Everything in its
proper place.
Wordsmith :)
Urthman
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> Hm.. whats the sense of art?
Art is a means of communicating ideas outside of more representational
symbolic language. In theory, an artist can create a piece and send it to
another artistic personality who can then determine much more about the
artist than is actually depicted in the work. The idea of "art appreciation"
is a bit more than just recognizing the quality of a piece or the approach
the artist has taken. There is meaning (in "real" art) that sometimes (and
unfortunately) requires an explanation from the artist.
Surrealists like Salvadore Dali and M.C.Escher created images outside of
real life - perhaps a pictoral philosophy of sorts. Realists captured
portraits, and many were more than just pictures. Cubism, stipple, abstract
and odd techniques such as these tend to require some explantion of where
the artist was "coming from".
While listening to Aerosmith, Led Zeppelin or the Beatles, one can gain a
sense of personality, not just notes. Meanwhile, the local band at the bar
on friday nights never captures the same sense of a performance as the
original artist although all of the notes might be there and in the right
time-place.
"They" are telling their audience something about their own personalities.
Bernard
Well, I don't know art but I know what I like... that's a sense of art.
B.
Walter Wanjoon Kim
Refute. :)
genein
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> Art is whatever anyone claims to be such....
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what is there to refute..? your "challenge" has no merit except in a society of
ape-like people without a sense of beauty and spirit. "art" moves the human
spirit whether it be music, painting or poetry...today we do have "shock art"
meant to make a statement which would be better served in a letter to the
editor column in any daily newspaper....as long as people have sensitivities
that can be reached by sound or visual, art is there....is all art
equal?....would he who prefers action comics be the equal of he who reads
dickens, tolstoy or swinburne?....i leave that up to you.
:-)
Urthman
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Art is offered by the artist, but defined continuously by the audience.
Art is determined democratically, and not at the insistence of the artist.
Jochen Buegler
> dickens, tolstoy or swinburne?....i leave that up to you.
they're different but that doesn't mean that either one of them has
'better' taste. a lot of stupid people read books because they think
that they are smart when they do it.
and some people like both action comics and tolstoy.
genein
> > equal?....would he who prefers action comics be the equal of he who reads
> > dickens, tolstoy or swinburne?....i leave that up to you.
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> they're different but that doesn't mean that either one of them has
> 'better' taste. a lot of stupid people read books because they think
> that they are smart when they do it.
those who prefer swinburne (and understand him) are very different from those
who prefer action comics (and yes, understand them)....and that is the way the
world is made up..."better taste" is a rather inadequate way of discussing
"understanding"...stupid people do read books but have a rather short attention
span when reading let us say "war and peace" or kant assuming they bother at
all.......and actually it is "stupid" of me to pursue such a subject since one
is opened to a snobbery remark so i am not being very wise for pointing out
this out...it's a subject that one usually avoids.....but art is my life's work
and i responded to a "sense of art" and there is a sense to art...art is not
what an avid action comic reader might say it is.......the world has not yet
turned upside down...
> and some people like both action comics and tolstoy.
i have not met any...
Jochen Buegler
> i have not met any...
well i know quite a lot of people who like both simple
and complex things. i mean i don't know ANYONE who just likes
this hard-to-understand things and not some direct action or fun.
and one shouldnt overlook things, lots of simpsons episodes
are quite philosophical when looked from that perspective.
beavis and butthead, hulk and tolstoy are just different ways to look
at life and all this arrogant "intelligent" fucks should just go home
reading and shut up.
genein
> > i have not met any...
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> well i know quite a lot of people who like both simple
> and complex things. i mean i don't know ANYONE who just likes
> this hard-to-understand things and not some direct action or fun.
i know of many who like the simple (fly-fishing) and the complex (understanding
brain patterns) but i thought we were speaking of action comics......i enjoy
jogging mindlessly down a beach....i also enjoy the more rewarding in life..(i
left action comics behind when i left puberty).....yes i enjoy a good movie
thriller at times but that is not what we are discussing, now is it?
> and one shouldnt overlook things, lots of simpsons episodes
> are quite philosophical when looked from that perspective.
yes there are but again that is not what we are discussing.....but speaking of
the simpsons which are funny.....do you feel homer to be your ideal? (humerous
as he may be)
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> beavis and butthead, hulk and tolstoy are just different ways to look
> at life and all this arrogant "intelligent" fucks should just go home
> reading and shut up.
i am at home in alt.*philosophy* and have been for years......this is not an
debate on different life styles but on the "sense of art" which you are now
attempting to turn into something very different.....as i explained and of
course you edited it out.....
"those who prefer swinburne (and understand him) are very different from those
who prefer action comics (and yes, understand them)....and that is the way the
world is made up..."better taste" is a rather inadequate way of discussing
"understanding"...stupid people do read books but have a rather short attention
span when reading let us say "war and peace" or kant assuming they bother at
all.......and actually it is "stupid" of me to pursue such a subject since one
is opened to a snobbery remark so i am not being very wise for pointing out
this out...it's a subject that one usually avoids.....
***but art is my life's work
and i responded to a "sense of art" and there is a sense to art...art is not
what an avid action comic reader might say it is.......the world has not yet
turned upside down"***...
Jochen Buegler
> the simpsons which are funny.....do you feel homer to be your ideal? (humerous
> as he may be)
hm homer is more an ideal to me than all the characters in "war and peace".
i prefer m. burns tho ;)
> span when reading let us say "war and peace" or kant assuming they bother at
> all.......and actually it is "stupid" of me to pursue such a subject since one
> is opened to a snobbery remark so i am not being very wise for pointing out
> this out...it's a subject that one usually avoids.....
oh okay i agree.
> ***but art is my life's work
> and i responded to a "sense of art" and there is a sense to art...art is not
> what an avid action comic reader might say it is.......the world has not yet
> turned upside down"***...
so what is the sense of art for you?
genein
what it is for any artist, be he a writer, poet, composer, sculptor or
painter....filtering nature through ones mind....which is "captured" by others
who are "moved" by it......."guernica" can be considered as an example of a
statement by picasso that has stirred many a viewer.......you don't get the
same result from a "painting" of the virgin mary splattered with cow
dung...this only has shock value which is a passing thing and must be followed
by something of greater shock value.........not art imo and the opinion of
many.....except those who prefer it not to be of course...
this is art in poetry:
"i heard a fly buzz when i died;
the stillness round my form
was like the stillness in the air
between the heaves of storm".....emily dickinson
this is not:
rose are red
violets are blue
i just got my flu shot
did you get it to?
imo of course
Jochen Buegler
> what it is for any artist, be he a writer, poet, composer, sculptor or
> painter....filtering nature through ones mind....which is "captured" by others
> who are "moved" by it......."guernica" can be considered as an example of a
> statement by picasso that has stirred many a viewer.......you don't get the
> same result from a "painting" of the virgin mary splattered with cow
> dung...this only has shock value which is a passing thing and must be followed
> by something of greater shock value.........not art imo and the opinion of
> many.....except those who prefer it not to be of course...
well i didnt ask what art IS to you but what SENSE of art there is.
genein
.....not art imo and the opinion of
> > many.....except those who prefer it not to be of course...
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> well i didnt ask what art IS to you but what SENSE of art there is.
your above "but what SENSE of art there is makes no sense.....i responded to
your question posted on 10/28 which reads as follows:
Mhoram
Anything created rising from individual thought(a Zeppeling song vs. a
pile of dung), that if ever destroyed(from thought/memory aswell as
tangibility) could never be duplicated.
Art? Something else? Debugging?