Proof Of God: Messengership - real proof!
awais.n...@gmail.com
Earth is 4.54-billion years old [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Age_of_the_Earth].
Socalled Homo-sapiens, i.e. socalled modern humans, came about 200-
thousand years ago [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_sapiens].
Summarians, first civilization ever, which "SUDDENLY" discovered the
followingp[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumer]:
first social community in Middle EasT,
first ffarming,
first irrigation,
first baskets,
first wheels,
first carts,
first boats,
first wind-mills,
first clocks,
first sundials,
first predicting moon-tides,
first mathematics base of 60,
first writing, first farming,
first fishing,
first domesticating-animals,
first deforestation,
first plough-harvesting-crops,
first potter-wheel-pottery,
first simple pottery,
first astronomers, first city-state,
first known codified legal and administrative systems,
first coal use, first wine, first tool-usage signs,
first-time special workforce use for irrigation,
first pottery, first use of metals,
etc.
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumerians]
Ice Age never stopped human development, because Equator never faced
the Ice.
If incest continues of 8 generations, then the people becomes
different from eachother, as if they belong to different races.
Conclusion: God created Major Species' Genes seperately,
chronologically, invertebrates, then vertebrates and subkinds; called
as MAJOR EVOLUTION, e.g. Birds and Reptiles were created seperately.
MINOR EVOLUTION explains the variations within the Specie, e.g.
between horses/zebras.
Conclusion: Above argument only proves that God exists, because if,
humans had been on Earth with the mental/physical abilites which today
we have, about 200-thousand years ago, then we would be, by now,
colonising other planets. Now the qusteion is, is that God really
interested in us? Yes, God is indeed interested in us through
Messengership (www.awais-nazir.biz).
RELIGIOUS EVIDENCE (THAT GOD EXISTS, AND REALLY INTERESTED IN
HUMANS):
All Major Religions teach: Oneness Of God (yes, hindus believe in ONE
GOD, but many forms of that god) and MESSENGERSHIP i.e. God
communicated with humanity through messengers, and that BOOKS/ORAL-
MESSAGES were revealed to his messengers.
God send the next messengership to update the previous messengership
after it has been corrupted beyond recognition.
All Major Messengerships/religions are awaiting for their last
messenger, Jews are awaiting for their "warrior messenger", Christians
are awaiting for their "that prophet" who will come after Jesus,
Hindus are awaiting for their "Kalki Avatar".
Bible is Consistant, proves God. Thus, if Bible was the confusion
word, then it should have said that messenger will arise from Assyria
also, and Egypt also, Arab also, etc. But, I have read all Bible, and
found that messenger will arise, every time, from the offspring of
Ishmael i.e. "Arabs", and they will be from "Arabian Peninsula", and
that they will be a "warrior nation".
Bible/Quran originals exist today, carbon-dating to era before
Muhammad. Thus it can't be said that muslims corrupted the Bible for
their own sake.
I have read whole Bible, and whenever a future messengers is
predicted, then in 90% cases, it is Muhammad; this can't be a chance.
Such prophesies are elaborated at: www.awais-nazir.biz.
Lastly, Quran.2.35-39 implies that, when God expelled the first man
from Paradise to Earth, God intended only (mainly) messengership, as a
source of guidance, not any thing else (e.g. Science/logic/etc.) as
the prove that the particular message is really from God.
For a complete list of Parsi/Hindu/Biblical Messengerships: www.awais-nazir.biz
CONCLUSION:
What if God is purposely hiding from us, for some reason? Atheists
should think on it.
panam...@hotmail.com
snip moronic tripe
> CONCLUSION:
>
> What if God is purposely hiding from us, for some reason?
Considering the punishment your god would place upon us for not
"finding" it, it is an immoral monster. Should such a terrible
creature exist, humanity should immediately concentrate its best
efforts upon finding this creature and killing it before it can hurt
any more of us.
> Atheists
> should think on it.
I have. And that's why I've come to the opinion I stated above.
-Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
EAC Martian Commander
Plonked by Kadaitcha Man, Sep 06
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain
Religious societies are *less* moral than secular ones:
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html
Robibnikoff
God
"Robibnikoff" <witc...@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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Hey now!
Don't be so hasty.
If you want proof... I'm here!
What do you need to know???
I mean, I left my autobiography for you, what more do you want??
--
"In Me I Trust"
Christopher A. Lee
wrote:
Fuck you , Mohammed and the camel you rode in on, lying piece of shit
who wipes his arse with his right hand using pages torn from the
Koran.
Do you honestly imagine your never ending in-our-face rudeness and
stupidity is a good advertisement for your religion?
Especially when it is already disliked and despised for its treatment
of women, 9/11 etc?
John Locke
wrote:
>
>Conclusion: Above argument only proves that God exists, because if,
>humans had been on Earth with the mental/physical abilites which today
>we have, about 200-thousand years ago, then we would be, by now,
>colonising other planets.....
>
..instead we've decided to rule our lives with religious
superstitution, bag up all our women and go cower in a
corner to an invisible fucking monster. Lovely.
"It is far better to grasp the Universe
as it really is than to persist in delusion,
however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan
Mark K. Bilbo
> SECULAR EVIDENCE (THAT GOD EXISTS):
And that wraps that up...
raven1
wrote:
I've translated your post so that it makes sense:
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>Ntr_bs_gur_Rnegu].
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>gubhfnaq lrnef ntb [uggc://ra.jvxvcrqvn.bet/jvxv/Ubzb_fncvraf].
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>sbyybjvatc[uggc://ra.jvxvcrqvn.bet/jvxv/Fhzre]:
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>svefg ssnezvat,
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>gur Vpr.
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>ZVABE RIBYHGVBA rkcynvaf gur inevngvbaf jvguva gur Fcrpvr, r.t.
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>uhznaf unq orra ba Rnegu jvgu gur zragny/culfvpny novyvgrf juvpu gbqnl
>jr unir, nobhg 200-gubhfnaq lrnef ntb, gura jr jbhyq or, ol abj,
>pbybavfvat bgure cynargf. Abj gur dhfgrvba vf, vf gung Tbq ernyyl
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>UHZNAF):
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>TBQ, ohg znal sbezf bs gung tbq) naq ZRFFRATREFUVC v.r. Tbq
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>nsgre vg unf orra pbeehcgrq orlbaq erpbtavgvba.
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>zrffratre, Wrjf ner njnvgvat sbe gurve "jneevbe zrffratre", Puevfgvnaf
>ner njnvgvat sbe gurve "gung cebcurg" jub jvyy pbzr nsgre Wrfhf,
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>sbhaq gung zrffratre jvyy nevfr, rirel gvzr, sebz gur bssfcevat bs
>Vfuznry v.r. "Nenof", naq gurl jvyy or sebz "Nenovna Cravafhyn", naq
>gung gurl jvyy or n "jneevbe angvba".
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>gurve bja fnxr.
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>fbhepr bs thvqnapr, abg nal guvat ryfr (r.t. Fpvrapr/ybtvp/rgp.) nf
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>fubhyq guvax ba vg.
David Canzi
<awais.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Conclusion: Above argument only proves that God exists, because if,
>humans had been on Earth with the mental/physical abilites which today
>we have, about 200-thousand years ago, then we would be, by now,
>colonising other planets. Now the qusteion is, is that God really
>interested in us? Yes, God is indeed interested in us through
>Messengership (www.awais-nazir.biz).
Jared Diamond wrote an interesting article about the Tasmanians.
(I think it was in Discover magazine some time in the 1980s.)
When the Europeans first arrived in Tasmania, the Tasmanians
couldn't sew, couldn't use buttons to fasten their clothing,
and couldn't build boats that would stay afloat long enough to
reach the nearest islands, easily visible only 10 miles away.
Yet archeologists found needles and buttons left behind by earlier
generations of Tasmanians, and their ancestors had to have good
enough boats to get there in the first place.
You are assuming that, once humans have acquired some useful
bit of knowledge, it is never forgotten. And you are wrong.
--
David Canzi | Selinux is an attempted denial-of-service attack. |
Christopher A. Lee
A theme in may science fiction novels.
Xan
<panam...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:d80737be-61dc-4143...@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
On May 16, 1:33 am, awais.nazir...@gmail.com wrote:
snip moronic tripe
> CONCLUSION:
>
> What if God is purposely hiding from us, for some reason?
Considering the punishment your god would place upon us for not
"finding" it, it is an immoral monster. Should such a terrible
creature exist, humanity should immediately concentrate its best
efforts upon finding this creature and killing it before it can hurt
any more of us.
>
Hear hear. It is sickening to read of those who "take comfort" in the
Bible. Are they sick in the head and perverted?
Each one thinking that "they" will be saved - when they could be the very
ones cast out to endure the torment this horrible god has in store for
them - just because of sins they have no awareness of.
The Bible and this religion is one of the ugliest most horrible stories we
have ever seen.
We are aliens but are in disguise - and it took us many many years to get
here - to condition ourselves to the absolute ugliness and horror and
pitiful state of the human existence on Earth.
There is no comprehension WHATSOEVER of how anyone could "love" such a deity
as the Jewish Jehovah - Babaji - Elohim - Allah - whatever name he goes by.
Stores of condemning humans to suffering for thousands of years just because
some woman was tempted by a very powerful angel in disguise as a snake are
ludicrous.
HOW can humans think such an ugly creator - such a horrible unfair mean God
could exist?
Crucifixions and mocking and jeering - and vinegar soaked sponges shoved in
the face of a dying man. The whole scene is conducive to vomit to any other
sentient alien intelligent species.
Any humans who are of this religion should be ashamed.
This Bible and this story is enough for any alien to condemn the entire
human race. That such a story is not only in existence.
But is actually embraced.
Xan of Borg
Darrell Stec
Damascus steel, the number zero, and the battery seem to be examples too.
Though I tend to blame some of that on the ignorant Christians who
destroyed books of knowledge because they weren't Christians or were not
written by Christians, thus ushering in the Dark Ages.
--
Later,
Darrell Stec dar...@neo.rr.com
Webpage Sorcery
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awais.n...@gmail.com
will follow the
messengership of his time, him God will will save; these are
instructions which God gave to Adam.
Reason there is pain in this world? Messengership says that, God wants
to make the signs for
recognizing God as neutral, otherwise it is no test, and the purpose
of temporal worldly life is
void.
Messengership says that, sincerity is the weighiest element, even if
one couldn't find the
messengership of his time, God will save him for his sincerity.
Last but not least: I know how original Islam is hijacked by the arab
culture. In the remainig
book of mine, (www.awais-nazir.biz), I will show how Islam is the
simplest of all, including:
-Attaining higher of the two paradises.
-Celebrating Birthdays/etc is Optional.
-Prefering either of right/left hand, is Optional.
-Fate is God's simulation, i.e. as mother can predict the behavior of
her child.
-Moral issues, i.e. miserliness/extravagency/lying/etc are Optional;
they should not be handled
by religion, but by secular measures, because whenever religion
involves in something then it
can't be solved.
-Smoking is Optional.
-Doing 'Salam' To Non-muslims, Is Optional.
-Music/dogs/etc are Optional, to hear/keep.
-Salat is not 5, but 2 times a day, i.e. sunrise/sunset.
-There is no usury/interest, if the exchange is in different
commodities.
-Women Leading Salat/Country, Is Optional.
-Keeping Beard, Is Optional.
-Clothes are secular, not religous, matter.
-Stealing, killing, suicide, etc, are Major Sins; but Minor Sins are
no sin.
-Calamities Fall Equally On Believers/Nonbelievers.
I HOPE THE ABOVE INFO PROBABLY IS NERVE-WRECKING. IF ONE IS STILL NOT
CONVINCED, I HOPE THAT SOMEWHERE IN HIS FUTURE LIFE, HE WILL.
Mark K. Bilbo
> Atheists should think on it.
Did. Concluded you're an idiot.
Christopher A. Lee
wrote:
>Quran.2.35-39 implies that, God ( will not show himself), but whoever
>will follow the
All the Quran is fit for, is to wipe the shit off your arse,
in-your-face stupid psychopath who is too stupid to realise that he
makes his religion even more disliked every time he nastily vomits it
in our faces.
awais.n...@gmail.com
Correct me, if I am wrong. No BIAS here.
Ralph Hertle
> Atheists boast to be rationalist, so do I.
>
> Correct me, if I am wrong. No BIAS here.
That isn't so.
For instance, Objectivists are atheists. They wouldn't use the term,
atheism, as a primary, however, because the term, atheism, is a
religionist term that seeks to differentiate people who are not included
within their particular group. Without theism, Objectivists advocate a
physical reality that is knowable by means of logic and reason.
Rationalism is a philosophy that is a branch of Subjectivism, in the
Platonic tradition, that says that existence, that is, all physical
reality and ideas are the result of or are derived from axioms. That
isn't true, and that view is impossible to scientifically support.
Objectivism is a philosophy that is a branch of Egoism, in the
Aristotelean tradition, and it says that all existence is physical, and
that ideas identify existents and the properties of existents. That view
is easily supported by checking the facts of reality and logically
verifying one's identifications.
You might say the atheists often tend to be rational and advocate a
philosophy of reason. That's true of Objectivists, however, there are
other atheistic philosophies, for example, Pragmatism, that do not
advocate an Objective reality or reason.
Ralph Hertle
pba...@worldonline.nl
> Atheists boast to be rationalist, so do I.
>
> Correct me, if I am wrong. No BIAS here
You mean they boast to be rational, which is quite something else :-)
(I think Ralph Hertle explained rationalism as a philosophy)
It is always difficuly to use such words if you are not aware off all
the different meanings there are, for very similar words.
Objectively there is no God
(none can be observed)
Pragmaticly there is no God
Prayers are not answered (has been researched!)
Nothing has been heard of him for about 1400 years.
Most theist would even claim it was longer ago!
Rationalisticly there might be one or not.
All you have to do is change your Axioms.
If an omnipotent God exists that wants me to believe in him, I would
I don't, so he doesn't
And do not give me that Free-will talk.
I wanted to believe in God!
Alas, I must conclude it is wishfull thinking . . .
Peter van Velzen
May 2008
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
chazwin
> Atheists boast to be rationalist, so do I.
>
> Correct me, if I am wrong. No BIAS here.
Bias is always unavoidable, as there is never any god-like position of
pure objectivity from which to stand and see all the arguments.
If you had more intelligence then you would see this at least.
Ralph Hertle
Ayn Rand remarked that what if:
God indeed was:
omnipotent
omniscient
all-moral
?
Ralph Hertle
Xan
<pba...@worldonline.nl> wrote in message
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If the overall powers or powers that be - or however you wish to term them -
you can say "God" if you like.
But if they wished you to know of their existence - they would give you
personal proof.
It is not a question of being Christian or religious and having "faith" or
anything like this.
It is not a question of reading or studying anything to do with humans or of
Earth.
If they "choose" to prove themselves to you.
They will.
But in the meantime - console yourself with the fact that there certainly
would be intelligence greater than human.
That screaming and shoving in childbirth and plonking lumps of antiquated
polluted metal on Mars is hardly an indication of either Universal
intelligence or beauty.
Xan
Kelsey Bjarnason
> SECULAR EVIDENCE (THAT GOD EXISTS):
>
> Earth is 4.54-billion years old [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
> Age_of_the_Earth].
>
> Socalled Homo-sapiens, i.e. socalled modern humans, came about 200-
> thousand years ago [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_sapiens].
>
> Summarians, first civilization ever, which "SUDDENLY" discovered
how to condense an entire written work into a few paragraphs...