US DRUG POLICY IS A POLITICAL LIE NOT A REALITY
Morpheal
philosophy is often the question of government drug policy and the
issue of what role the law ought to have in
regulating recreational drug use. Well, here is another look at that
same question....
US DRUG POLICY IS A POLITICAL LIE NOT A REALITY
Fact is that the US government has no interest in stopping illegal
drug traffic.
That fact is supported by statistics. Drug use has increased. Drug
traffic has increased. Drug popularity has increased. The types of
substances being used has diversified and expanded.
The fact is that Illegal drugs make people easier to control, and
serve to eliminate much of the potential dissent as well as serving to
reduce the capacity for effective action and for critical thinking
which would otherwise challenge government.
If the US government were honest they would legalize most types of
illegal drugs, within a controlled system to assure that high risk
jobs are closed to addicts. (For instance it is not good for an
ambulance driver to be on cocaine or hashish. Similarly it is not good
for a brain surgeon operating and performing demanding surgical
procedures. Clearly there are many occupations that need drug testing
and screening out of addicts who would be considered impaired in
regard to their occupational responsibilities. The current system is
simply a lie and illegal drugs are largely a means of selective
prejudice which can be directed against selected users, and they are
a means of social control.
More often the "aid" given to foreign countries, allegedly for the
purpose of stopping the illegal drug trade, is in fact diverted to
maintaining social and political order against potential insurgency
and possible political overthrow of the government in the region where
the aid is provided. The alleged "battle against the drug trade"
provides an easy means for the US government to provide significant
financial means, that it otherwise could not provide and could
not gain approval for, to police states, and totalitarian regimes whom
it chances to favor or seek favor from.
It is time that a more European understanding and rational, fact
based, approach, replaced the right wing political drug policy lies
that America has been living for many, many, decades.
Cheers.
Robert Morpheal
(PS. I am not in any way connected with the drug trade, nor am I an
illegal drug user. I have no drug habits of any kind. That is a matter
of my own personal choice. However, we need to end the lie and allow
those who feel the necessity to use illegal drugs, much more of a free
choice, even if that choice has consequences which they are willing to
accept.)
dorayme
<5adb9482-fa3f-4704...@i24g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Morpheal <morp...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> A more frequently debated question in ethics and other areas of
> philosophy is often the question of government drug policy and the
> issue of what role the law ought to have in
> regulating recreational drug use. Well, here is another look at that
> same question....
>
...
> It is time that a more European understanding and rational, fact
> based, approach, replaced the right wing political drug policy lies
> that America has been living for many, many, decades.
>
I agree with much of what you say, Robert. You might be interested in
reading my
<http://dorayme.890m.com/opinion/drugLaws.html>
where I am particularly interested in the role of the criminal law in a
modern democratic state.
--
dorayme
sorrpoint
"Morpheal" <morp...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Want US Help With Coca Crop
Relations between Bolivia and the US, already strained by Bolivia's
expulsion of the US ambassador last month for allegedly helping to instigate
anti-government protests and the subsequent US "decertification" of Bolivia
for failure to comply with US drug war aims, grew even colder over the
weekend. Last Thursday, Bolivian President Evo Morales rejected a DEA
request to overfly the country, and on Saturday, he launched a rhetorical
attack on US anti-drug policy.
According to the Bolivian Information Agency, Morales last Thursday
instructed his government to deny a written request from the US government
to conduct surveillance flights over the South American nation. "Two days
ago I received a letter from the US DEA asking a government institution for
permission to fly over national territory," the agency quoted Morales as
saying. "I want to say publicly to our authorities: They are not authorized
to give permission so that the DEA can fly over Bolivian territory."
Bolivia is the world's third largest producer of coca, from which cocaine is
produced. Since his election as president, Morales, who rose to prominence
as a coca grower union leader, has embarked on a policy of "zero cocaine,
but not zero coca." Under the Morales government, peasants are allowed to
grow specified amounts of coca for traditional and industrial uses. In
another sign of tension with the US, coca farmers loyal to Morales recently
expelled US AID from the Chapare coca-growing region, saying its programs
were ineffective.
http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/555/Bolivia_coca_Morales_rejects_DEA_request
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Bolivian President Evo Morales ups rhetoric against US anti-drug aid
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Saturday, October 4, 2008
LA PAZ, Bolivia - President Evo Morales says Bolivia doesn't need U.S. help
to control its coca crop.
In so doing, he has stepped up his anti-Washington rhetoric days after
rejecting an American request to fly an anti-drug plane over the South
American nation's territory.
Morales also compared U.S. counter-drug efforts in the country, including
Drug Enforcement Administration flights, to espionage.
U.S. Embassy spokesman Eric Watnik said the DEA makes periodic requests to
fly a plane transporting U.S. and Bolivian anti-narcotics personnel around
the country.
He said the aircraft is not used for surveillance. Relations between
Washington and La Paz have increasingly deteriorated in recent weeks.
Morales expelled the U.S. ambassador last month, accusing him of supporting
deadly protests organized by his conservative opposition.
The former ambassador denies the allegations.
Washington responded by ousting Bolivia's ambassador and later placed the
Andean nation on an anti-narcotics blacklist, saying Morales hasn't
sufficiently co-operated with U.S. anti-drug efforts.
"We've certified Bolivia twice before under the Morales government, even
though they have taken a very different approach to counter drugs,
especially to eradication, than previous governments," said Tom Shannon,
U.S. Assistant Secretary of State for Western Hemisphere Affairs.
"But what we've noticed over the past couple of months," he added, "was a
declining political willingness to co-operate, and then a very precise
attempt by the part of some of the government ministries to begin to lower
the level of co-operation and try to break the linkages" between U.S. and
Bolivian anti-drug efforts.
The listing will likely lead to suspension of a key trade deal between the
two countries that Bolivian business leaders estimate could cost South
America's poorest country as many as 20,000 jobs.
Bolivia is the world's third largest producer of coca - the base ingredient
in cocaine - after Colombia and Peru.
http://www.pentictonherald.ca/stories_world.php?id=138378
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CRIME: Niagara Falls cop facing federal drug, sex charges
Niagara Falls Police Officer Ryan Warme arrived at the U.S. District
Courthouse in Buffalo on Wednesday morning in a police cruiser and a pair of
handcuffs.
<smile>
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Thursday, June 5, 2008
US antidrug aid raises specter of more violence
OPINION
President George Bush today urged the United States Congress to pass the
$1.4 billion dollar Mérida Initiative, an aid package he says is designed to
help Mexico combat drug cartels. But critics say if passed, it would allow
the US government increasing control over Mexico's security institutions.
By Laura Carlsen
The Merida Intitative is basically an extension of three of the worst
policies that have come out of the United States in terms of foreign policy
in the last decade. It is called the regional security cooperation
initiative and it basically focuses on counter terrorism, counter narcotics
and border security.
In the area of counter terrorism we know what the Bush national security
doctrine has lead to. It has lead to an actual increase in terrorism abroad
as instead of focusing on emergency preparedness and intelligence
coordination and cooperation in the global setting, the United States has
taken on the role of policing the world and this is basically what is also
included within the Plan Mexico.
The second is the counter narcotics area this is probably the focus and this
is certainly the part the press talks most about in the context of the drug
war here in Mexico which was launched by Felipe Calderon almost at the very
beginning of his Presidency.
This is based on a war on drugs model that was developed by Pres Nixon and
has been extended into Plan Colombia as we know it that began in 2000 and
eaten up $5 billion dollars. In the course of that time there has been no
significant decrease
in the flow of illegal drugs to the US and there has been no decrease in the
amount of acreage that's dedicated to the production.
http://mexicomonitor.blogspot.com/2008/06/us-anti-drug-aid-package-raises-worry.html
ROFL
ZerkonXXXX
> Fact is
Drugs that came out of Afghanistan one month before invasion.
Drugs that came out of Afghanistan one month after invasion.
Jerry Kraus
There is, effectively, no difference between the legal "psychoactive"
drugs handed out by doctors and illegal drugs sold by drug dealers
illegally. They serve the same function, and have the same effects.
Jack
> A more frequently debated question in ethics and other
> areas of philosophy is often the question of government
> drug policy and the issue of what role the law ought to
> have in
> regulating recreational drug use. Well, here is another
> look at that same question....
>
> US DRUG POLICY IS A POLITICAL LIE NOT A REALITY
>
> Fact is that the US government has no interest in
> stopping illegal drug traffic.
>
> That fact is supported by statistics. Drug use has
> increased. Drug traffic has increased. Drug popularity
> has increased. The types of substances being used has
> diversified and expanded.
>
I would be interested to see those statistics.
Jack
> There is, effectively, no difference between the legal
> "psychoactive" drugs handed out by doctors and illegal
> drugs sold by drug dealers illegally. They serve the
> same function, and have the same effects.
An unfortunate consequence of freely distributed pharmaceuticals is that
other treatments are ignored--like biofeedback, relaxation exercises, talk
therapy, etc--in favor of a pill that's quick, easy and insured.
Jerry Kraus
Saves money for the government, makes money for the drug companies. A
very simple equation, that makes perfect sense to American economists.
Shrik...@gmail.com
> Jerry Kraus wrote:
> > There is, effectively, no difference between the legal
> > "psychoactive" drugs handed out by doctors and illegal
> > drugs sold by drug dealers illegally. They serve the
> > same function, and have the same effects.
This is patently false. Different classes of drugs
have different pharmacologies. Does this even require
stating? Ritalin is a lot like amphetamines, of
course, and Valium is a lot like alcohol and
barbiturates. That is because they are in the
same class. What you wrote above would
make one believe that ketamine was just like
SSRIs.
In fact, one of the consequences of the drug war
has been that drugs which act like certain illegal
substances are considerably harder to get than
they once were. Even in the late '70's a person
could bet medical quality amphetamines in a pill.
Sometimes, it is harder to get opiates than it
shoudl be, even though they have a legitimage
medical value.
> An unfortunate consequence of freely distributed pharmaceuticals is that
> other treatments are ignored--like biofeedback, relaxation exercises, talk
> therapy, etc--in favor of a pill that's quick, easy and insured.
In other words, because drugs work, the quackery of
old is ignored. Freudian psychoanalysis has been
completely abandoned, along with leeches, electroshock
and lobotomies (except in Cuba).
Too many bedridden depressives have been effectively
treated with drugs to deny their effectiveness.
Empircal studies indicated long ago that talk therapy (by
itself anyway) had the same effect as no treatment at all
for real mental illnesses. That being said, counseling,
which might be called talk therapy, is still used, often
as an adjunct to medication. Relaxation therapy, teaching
anxiety sufferers to breathe, is still used. But, the idea
that you are going to affect physical illnesses with voodoo
is absurd. And if it isn't a physical illness, it isn't really
an illness.
Consider negative schizophrenia, which is a somewhat
progressive brain disease (which also doesn't respond
well to medication, but that's beside the point.) The
idea some non-physical treatment is going to help the
afflicted is as silly as thinking such will help those with
Parkinson's Disease. Only a true-believing Scientologist
could fall for that.
The real problem is that people who are not really ill
are being told that they need medications, which
certainly expands the market considerably, but does
little to advance mental health.
Shrik...@gmail.com
Yeah right. So there's no need for you to spend so much
on your cocaine, when you can just get a 10 dollar bottle
of Prozac at Walmart.
Jerry Kraus
If you actually read the psychopharmacology literature, you will see
that the claims of the people who actually develop these drugs are
extremely modest -- limited effects on narrowly defined behavioral
meaures. They never claim to actually "cure" anything.
While both stimulants and depressants -- legal and illegal -- can
sometimes have a limited, positive effect on people suffering severe
depression or hallucinations, the long-term effects of taking these
drugs -- whether legal or street drugs -- is to reduce life expectancy
by decades. Which may, of course, be the intention of the Government.
Shrik...@gmail.com
As everyone knows, "One pill makes you larger,
and one pill makes you small. And the ones that
Mother gives you don't do anything at all."
Jerry Kraus
>
> - Show quoted text -
Lots of people like drugs. Our President's a chain smoker.
Shrik...@gmail.com
Did I say anything about curing anything? There are no
cures yet for any mental illness. Antidepressant treatments
are very effective, however. All you have to do is look at
how many depressives no longer spend their days in bed
compared to the days before even the cruder MAOIs were
first used.
> While both stimulants and depressants
Antidepressants don't fall into either category, by the way.
> -- legal and illegal -- can
> sometimes have a limited, positive effect on people suffering severe
> depression or hallucinations,
Depressents can dampen hallucinations, sure. But the
problem with those drugs that are actually useful for
recreational purposes which fall into those categories
are that they are addictive, meaning the subject experiences
tolerance and withdrawal. Tolerance means any beneficial
effect suffers from the law of diminishing returns.
The major tranquilizers given to schizophrenics do not share
this characteristic with other downers. They also do not
share the effect of being in any way fun.
> the long-term effects of taking these
> drugs -- whether legal or street drugs -- is to reduce life expectancy
> by decades.
It depeds on the drug. The primary hazard of the major
tranquilizers is tardive dyskinesia, as far as I know.
There are always less common side-effects for some.
In any case, antidepressants don't qualify as either downers
or uppers, nor are they addictive. One study indicated that
prozac stimulates the growth of neurons in the hypocampus.
> Which may, of course, be the intention of the Government.
Give me a break. Paranoid much? If so, there's always
Stelazine.
Shrik...@gmail.com
Should be: "hippocampus."
Jerry Kraus
You're the druggie, goof. You take the stuff. Obviously, you like
it. I prefer paranoia -- i.e., realism.
Shrik...@gmail.com
From what I understand, the phrase "chain
smoker" is a bit strong. In fact, I thought he
had been trying to quit, and was now only
smoking OPCs (Other People's Cigarettes),
like many "ex" smokers.
It is slightly ironic that he chose Eric Holder,
a hard-case drug warriror Republican-with-a-
human-face, to serve under him. Meet the
new boss, same as the old boss. Change
we can believe in.
William Bennet, former paragon of Drug War
Virtue, was, ironically enough, a real chain
smoker at the time he was appointed Drug Czar,
and felt he had to quit for appearance's sake. He
took to eating sunflower seeds as a substitute, and
his office was nicknamed "the Birdcage" because
of the strewn empty seed casings.
Gambling is as virtuous as a trip to Sunday School
though.
Jack
No, I wouldn't say that at all. Biofeedback instruments are not old at all
and are as effective as drug for migraines, for example. But it takes more
time, effort and expertise to train an individual on biofeedback technique
than to pop a pill.
> Freudian psychoanalysis has been
> completely abandoned,
Freudian psychoanalysis has certainly evolved in the last hundred years, but
it hasn't been completely abandoned. And that's only one form of talk
therapy. Actually, any mental health professional you talk to will tell you
that anti-depressant meds are more effective when used in combination with
talk therapy.
> along with leeches,
Surprisingly, leeches are still used to this day in modern medicine.
> electroshock
Actually not uncommon for treatment resistant depression.
> and lobotomies (except in Cuba).
>
> Too many bedridden depressives have been effectively
> treated with drugs to deny their effectiveness.
Agreed. I don't know any mental health professionals who would deny the
effectivness off SSRIs.
>
> Empircal studies indicated long ago that talk therapy (by
> itself anyway) had the same effect as no treatment at all
> for real mental illnesses. That being said, counseling,
> which might be called talk therapy, is still used, often
> as an adjunct to medication.
I agree with most of that.
> Relaxation therapy, teaching
> anxiety sufferers to breathe, is still used. But, the
> idea that you are going to affect physical illnesses with
> voodoo is absurd.
Scientific journals disagree with you.
Here's but one of many:
Meta-analysis of biofeedback for the treatment of migraine headache.
Chapell R, Turkelson C; International Society of Technology Assessment in
Health Care. Meeting.
http://gateway.nlm.nih.gov/MeetingAbstracts/ma?f=102271732.html
> And if it isn't a physical illness, it isn't really an illness.
>
> Consider negative schizophrenia, which is a somewhat
> progressive brain disease (which also doesn't respond
> well to medication,
Psychosis is one mental illness that doesn't respond well to anything *but*
meds.
> but that's beside the point.) The
> idea some non-physical treatment is going to help the
> afflicted is as silly as thinking such will help those
> with Parkinson's Disease.
So do you think schizophrenia is a mental or a physical disease?
Jack
>> you will see that the claims of the people who actually
>> develop these drugs are extremely modest -- limited
>> effects on narrowly defined behavioral meaures. They
>> never claim to actually "cure" anything.
>
> Did I say anything about curing anything? There are no
> cures yet for any mental illness. Antidepressant
> treatments are very effective, however. All you have to
> do is look at how many depressives no longer spend their
> days in bed compared to the days before even the cruder
> MAOIs were
> first used.
>
>> While both stimulants and depressants
>
> Antidepressants don't fall into either category, by the
> way.
>
>> -- legal and illegal -- can
>> sometimes have a limited, positive effect on people
>> suffering severe depression or hallucinations,
>
> Depressents can dampen hallucinations, sure.
I'd be interested in your source of this information.
> But the
> problem with those drugs that are actually useful for
> recreational purposes which fall into those categories
> are that they are addictive, meaning the subject
> experiences tolerance and withdrawal. Tolerance means
> any beneficial effect suffers from the law of diminishing
> returns.
>
> The major tranquilizers given to schizophrenics do not
> share this characteristic with other downers. They also
> do not share the effect of being in any way fun.
>
>> the long-term effects of taking these
>> drugs -- whether legal or street drugs -- is to reduce
>> life expectancy by decades.
>
> It depeds on the drug. The primary hazard of the major
> tranquilizers is tardive dyskinesia, as far as I know.
> There are always less common side-effects for some.
>
> In any case, antidepressants don't qualify as either
> downers or uppers, nor are they addictive.
Withdrawal symptoms are common with some antidepressants. Also common is
the need to increase dosage over time. So antidepressants fit your
requirements for "addictive" above.
Jack
If Mother gives you ritalin it does something at all.
Jerry Kraus
>
> > And if it isn't a physical illness, it isn't really an illness.
>
> > Consider negative schizophrenia, which is a somewhat
> > progressive brain disease (which also doesn't respond
> > well to medication,
>
> Psychosis is one mental illness that doesn't respond well to anything *but*
> meds.
>
> > but that's beside the point.) The
> > idea some non-physical treatment is going to help the
> > afflicted is as silly as thinking such will help those
> > with Parkinson's Disease.
>
> So do you think schizophrenia is a mental or a physical disease?
>
>
>
> > Only a true-believing
> > Scientologist could fall for that.
>
> > The real problem is that people who are not really ill
> > are being told that they need medications, which
> > certainly expands the market considerably, but does
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Certainly, almost all cases of schizophrenia and bipolar disorder are
physical disorders. They're caused by brain damage resulting from
taking legal and illegal drugs. Eliminate legal and illegal drugs
from the equation, and schizophrenia and bipolar disorder -- the major
psychoses -- cease to exist.
Damn good Capitalist argument for pushing psychoactive drugs, don't
you think?
Jack
There's plenty of debate to be had hashing out the difference between a
mental and a physical disorder.
> They're caused by brain damage
> resulting from
> taking legal and illegal drugs. Eliminate legal and
> illegal drugs
> from the equation, and schizophrenia and bipolar disorder
> -- the major
> psychoses -- cease to exist.
I don't think psychosis is a symptom of bipolar disorder.
I do think people who've never touched a drug can become schizophrenic.
>
> Damn good Capitalist argument for pushing psychoactive
> drugs, don't
> you think?
I don't.
turtoni
> > based, approach, replaced the right wing political drug policy lies
> > that America has been living for many, many, decades.
"Amsterdam to cut brothels by half
The red light district has been popular for 700 years
Dutch authorities have revealed details of their plans to clean up
Amsterdam's famous red light district.
They say they will close half the city's brothels, sex shops and
marijuana cafes in a bid to drive organised crime from the city
centre.
Council officials gave the sex industry a warning a year ago that they
were going to close some brothels.
The deputy mayor of Amsterdam says the plans will stop the city being
a "free zone" for criminals.
Last year the city said it wanted to close one-third of the red light
district's brothels, where scantily-clad prostitutes display
themselves in shop windows.
But the new measures aim to reduce the number of sex "windows" from
482 to 243, a council spokesman said.
Amsterdam also wants to close half of the 76 marijuana shops in the
city centre.
City centre 'decay'
The city council says that some other businesses are also related to
the decay of the city centre, including peep shows, sex shows, mini-
supermarkets, phone and souvenir shops, and they will also be shut
down.
You won't have to be embarrassed
Lodewijk Asscher
Deputy Mayor of Amsterdam
It says there are indications that some red light businesses serve as
a cover for organised crime, including drugs and the trafficking of
women.
"Money laundering, extortion and human trafficking are things you do
not see on the surface but they are hurting people and the city. We
want to fight this," said Deputy Mayor Lodewijk Asscher.
"We can still have sex and drugs but in a way that shows the city is
in control."
Officials have set aside some 39m euros (£33m) to bring back hotels,
boutiques, galleries and restaurants to the area.
'Tolerant and crazy'
The plans come just days after a national ban on hallucinogenic or
"magic mushrooms" from shops known as Smart Shops.
The BBC's correspondent in the Netherlands, Geraldine Coughlan, says
the latest plans go much further than had been expected.
Critics say the crackdown in Amsterdam is the latest example of a
hardening of the traditional liberal Dutch approach to social issues
including prostitution and soft drug use.
But Mr Asscher said that the changes would be more in line with
Amsterdam's image as a "tolerant and crazy place, rather than a free
zone for criminals".
"It will be a place with 200 windows (for prostitutes) and 30 coffee
shops, which you can't find anywhere else in the world - very
exciting, but also with cultural attractions," he said, adding: "And
you won't have to be embarrassed to say you came."
Prostitution will be allowed only in two areas in the district -
notably De Wallen, a web of streets and alleys around the city's
medieval retaining dam walls.
The area has been a centre of prostitution for hundreds of years.
Prostitution was legalised in the Netherlands in 2000, formalising a
long-standing tolerance.
Marijuana is technically illegal in the Netherlands, but prosecutors
will not press charges for possession of small amounts. Coffee shops
are able to sell it openly."
John J
> There is, effectively, no difference between the legal
> "psychoactive" drugs handed out by doctors and illegal
> drugs sold by drug dealers illegally. They serve the
> same function, and have the same effects.
That is so patently false that I have to believe you are kidding.
John J
"Jack" <furgfu...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:2e-dnVsy0YLFwaDU...@posted.echolabs...
> Withdrawal symptoms are common with some antidepressants. Also common is
> the need to increase dosage over time. So antidepressants fit your
> requirements for "addictive" above.
Yeah, I'd say that is addiction.
Discontinuation of some anti-depressants (taken in sufficient doses for
sufficient time) cannot be withdrawn without profoundly dangerous
consequences. In some cases the drug actually stops working after a while
and the patient is just screwed - he/she plunges into hell with no relief
except to add yet another drug - or chance ECT.
The incidence of suicide after discontinuation is a factor yet to be
determined in a good study. Teenagers, for example, who are on
anti-depressants might discontinue because of the discomfort, athletic and
sexual side-effects and that might account for the high rate of suicide in
those who are _supposed_ to be taking the meds.
Jack
Problem with suicide & SSRIs is that early in treatment the med can begin to
stir the person into action. And unfortunately that action might be
suicide, whereas the person was too depressed to bother killing himself.
Jerry Kraus
> John J wrote:
> > "Jack" <furgfurgf...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> - Show quoted text -
We are so far from understanding the brain as a "physical mechanism",
that the very notion of throwing monkey-wrenches arbitrarily into its
works is absurd. We are very unlikely indeed to do more good than
harm.
John J
> We are so far from understanding the brain as a "physical mechanism",
> that the very notion of throwing monkey-wrenches arbitrarily into its
> works is absurd. We are very unlikely indeed to do more good than
> harm.
'We' are doing more good than harm or it would not be active for so
long. Keep on with your unsupported agenda. Go nutz. Please.
Jack
> Jerry Kraus wrote:
>
>> We are so far from understanding the brain as a
>> "physical mechanism", that the very notion of throwing
>> monkey-wrenches arbitrarily into its works is absurd. We are very
>> unlikely indeed to do more good than harm.
>
> 'We' are doing more good than harm or it would not be
> active for so long.
I agree with your conclusion, but not with the reasoning that got you there.
Jerry Kraus
Anything to keep you happy, John.
Garbage greases the wheels of your system. The kind you do. The kind
the drug companies do. Same garbage, more or less.
Shrik...@gmail.com
This is, of course, complete idiocy. Do you take your
propaganda in 300 mg doses or higher? The fact is,
both schizophrenia and bipolar disorder are largley
genetic. And, any condition that is caused by drugs
is, by definition, NOT schizophrenia. That is a differential
diagnosis.
To be sure, some drugs cause brain damage, most
notably alcohol (and other drugs in the same class).
In fact, alcoholic dementia is the second most common
form of dementia after Alzheimer's. It also explains
Russia's current state.
> Eliminate legal and illegal drugs
> from the equation, and schizophrenia and bipolar disorder -- the major
> psychoses -- cease to exist.
I don't have time to catch up on all of the posts in this
thread at this moment, but this bit of ignorance deserved
to be shot down immediately. Schizophrenia has a 70%
heritability. That means a schizophrenic's twin raised in
a different environment has a 70% chance of being afflicted
as well. The heritability of manic-depression is high as
well. At one point, someone announced that they'd found
the genetic marker for bipolar disorder, but it turned out
to be bogus. Still, we know these diseases are largely
genetic.
Because of the different chances of schizophrenics being
born at various months of the year, it is theorized that one
of the possible environmental factors is a common virus
that the mother gets during pregnancy. In any case, there
is no causal connection between drugs and schizophrenia
because schizophrenia (or bipolar) because, by definition,
they aren't caused by drugs.
> Damn good Capitalist argument for pushing psychoactive drugs, don't
> you think?
Someone is trying to poison me? True or False.
That someone is engaged in a conspiracy to take
over the world. True or False.
I always thought you sounded like a John Bircher
of the Left, and this only confirms it. Anyway,
watch out for the capitalists under your bed, they
have syringes full of scopolamine.
Jerry Kraus
>
> - Show quoted text -
Hi druggie. Which do you prefer, Crack Cocaine, Prozac or Ritalin?
Or, do you like mixed cocktails?
http://www.schizophrenia.com/prevention/cannabis.marijuana.schizophrenia.html
"Researchers in New Zealand found that those who used cannabis by the
age of 15 were more than three times (300%) more likely to develop
illnesses such as schizophrenia. Other research has backed this up,
showing that cannabis use increases the risk of psychosis by up to
700% for heavy users, and that the risk increases in proportion to the
amount of cannabis used (smoked or consumed). Additionally, the
younger a person smokes/uses cannabis, the higher the risk for
schizophrenia, and the worse the schizophrenia is when the person does
develop it. Research by psychiatrists in inner-city areas speak of
cannabis being a factor in up to 80 percent of schizophrenia cases."
So, what are the voices telling you now about the schizophrenia
research, druggie? Better take some more Crack. You'll feel better.
Or, Ritalin might work just as well.
Shrik...@gmail.com
My own stance is that if it isn't physical, it isn't a
disorder. How can there be such a thing as a non-
physical disorder? A disorder of the soul? Usually
such things merely mean the medicalization of
our normative values.
> > They're caused by brain damage
> > resulting from
> > taking legal and illegal drugs. Eliminate legal and
> > illegal drugs
> > from the equation, and schizophrenia and bipolar disorder
> > -- the major
> > psychoses -- cease to exist.
>
> I don't think psychosis is a symptom of bipolar disorder.
It can be. Extreme mood swings can cause
delusions and hallucinations, whether depressive
or manic.
> I do think people who've never touched a drug can become schizophrenic.
Of course. It has a 70% heritability. And there has been
no increase in the schizophrenia rate. It remains fairly
steady. Interestingly, Ireland has 3 times the schizophrenia
rate of England, Scotland, and Wales, because of eugenic
dumping by the perfidious Brits.
> > Damn good Capitalist argument for pushing psychoactive
> > drugs, don't
> > you think?
>
> I don't.
He's nuts.
Jerry Kraus
>
> - Show quoted text -
Is that what the voices are telling you, druggie? Remember, you have
to do what the voices tell you. Otherwise, the nice caseworker will
cut off your pension, and you won't be able to afford any more drugs.
Now, you wouldn't want that, would you?
Jack
Then schizophrenia and clinical depression are physical disorders.
(A person might say--if it's not physical it's not. Anything.)
> How can there be such a thing as a non-
> physical disorder? A disorder of the soul? Usually
> such things merely mean the medicalization of
> our normative values.
>
>>> They're caused by brain damage
>>> resulting from
>>> taking legal and illegal drugs. Eliminate legal and
>>> illegal drugs
>>> from the equation, and schizophrenia and bipolar
>>> disorder -- the major
>>> psychoses -- cease to exist.
>>
>> I don't think psychosis is a symptom of bipolar disorder.
>
> It can be. Extreme mood swings can cause
> delusions and hallucinations, whether depressive
> or manic.
That would suck.
>
>> I do think people who've never touched a drug can become
>> schizophrenic.
>
> Of course.
Tell Jerry.
> It has a 70% heritability. And there has been
> no increase in the schizophrenia rate. It remains fairly
> steady.
The weird thing is that the particular forms of schizo' come in and go out
of style. Catatonic schizo' was popular in the early part of the 20th
century. Now, not so much.
> Interestingly, Ireland has 3 times the
> schizophrenia rate of England, Scotland, and Wales,
> because of eugenic dumping by the perfidious Brits.
>
>>> Damn good Capitalist argument for pushing psychoactive
>>> drugs, don't
>>> you think?
>>
>> I don't.
>
> He's nuts.
Seems possible.
Jerry Kraus
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Takes one to know one, Jack.
Shrik...@gmail.com
>
> "Researchers in New Zealand found that those who used cannabis by the
> age of 15 were more than three times (300%) more likely to develop
> illnesses such as schizophrenia. Other research has backed this up,
> showing that cannabis use increases the risk of psychosis by up to
> 700% for heavy users, and that the risk increases in proportion to the
> amount of cannabis used (smoked or consumed). Additionally, the
> younger a person smokes/uses cannabis, the higher the risk for
> schizophrenia, and the worse the schizophrenia is when the person does
> develop it. Research by psychiatrists in inner-city areas speak of
> cannabis being a factor in up to 80 percent of schizophrenia cases."
Ha, this one has already been debunked a million times.
But for the coginitively challenged here it is again:
Correlation does not equal causation. Learn it, live it
love it. To believe that it does is to fall for the post hoc, ergo
propter hoc fallacy. The fact of the matter is that It is
known that schizophrenics tend to use more drugs than
normal people, including such drugs as alcohol and nicotine.
Schizophrenics smoke like chimneys, from my experience.
Nobody is trying to pass forth the lie that cigarettes cause
schizophrenia though. That is because you have the
causality backwards. Schizophrenia causes drug use.
It is not the other way around. Anyway, look it up in the
Diagnostic and Statistical Manual. If a condition is induced
by drugs, it is BY DEFINITION not schizophrenia. Learn
that too. Also, the schizophrenia rate in the population
has remained stable; it has not increased with the increase
in cannabis use. That, in itself, establishes (for the rational)
that your propaganada tales of Reefer Madness are pure
propaganda bunk for the simple minded.
> So, what are the voices telling you now about the schizophrenia
> research, druggie? Better take some more Crack. You'll feel better.
> Or, Ritalin might work just as well.
There are those who overuse drugs, and there are
those who are undermedicated. I'd say you qualify
for the latter group, loon.
Shrik...@gmail.com
LOL. Look, pal, your fears about what the Capitalist
Conspiracy to Take Over the World are going to do
to you are unfounded. Just go in and get the help
you obviously need.
Jerry Kraus
> On Dec 9, 10:10 am, Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
That's right druggie, push those drugs. That way, you can afford
more
for yourself. By the way, where do you sell the stuff? Maybe we
could have either the cops or the FDA check you out. Or both.
Shrik...@gmail.com
Yeah, yeah, when the time comes and the choice
for you is between taking the blue pill to find out
how far the rabbit hole goes for three hours and
just rolling over and going to sleep, we'll see what
your stance is on Better Living Through Chemistry.
Yeah, Viagra is just like PCP is just like prescription
strength Motrin, is just like Prozac.
Shrik...@gmail.com
Well, true, and I would agree that there is an overuse
of many medications, particularly for the young.
Jerry Kraus
>
> - Show quoted text -
Hey, man, so where exactly are YOU getting all those cool drugs you
like? Why don't you give us all a chance to check it out, eh?
Shrik...@gmail.com
Don't worry about me, I'm on the side of the
Pharmaceutical Conspiracy to infiltrate and
impurify our precious bodily fluids, remember?
But that sound you hear is the black helicopters
of Eli Lilly heading towards your location now,
ready with their Thorazine hoses.
Jerry Kraus
Hey man, don't go all paranoid on me, now. We just all want to know
where you're getting all those cool drugs you like. Like, what's the
problem, man?
Jack
> Takes one to know one, Jack.
It certainly help. And I'm rarely accused of being 100% sane. Never
actually.
Jack
Is this a game of grabass between two children of the sixites who've since
gone different ways in life? Just asking.
Jack
Yeah, it's really sad in some cases.
Jack
> Hey, man, so where exactly are YOU getting all those cool
> drugs you like? Why don't you give us all a chance to
> check it out, eh?
Was barely funny the first time, Jerry.
Shrik...@gmail.com
Well, Seeker, it's like this. All you need to do
is go to your primary care physician and get a
scrip. Be sure to mention the pharamaceutical
capitalist conspiracy thing when you go. And
how they're trying to slander Joseph Stalin, too.
He'll hook you up. Then you can go to Walmart
and fill the scrip for a few bux. Easy.
Shrik...@gmail.com
I think he's older than that. Reefer Madness and all that.
As he often puts it, senility is a terrible thing.
And I was 5 during the Summer of Love. I doubt I
would have seen much action in Haight-Ashbury at
that time. Well, nothing fun anyway.
I've been there since, though, and saw the McDonalds
with Day-Glo flowers painted on the side. What a
difference 40 years makes.
Jerry Kraus
>
> - Show quoted text -
Hey, man, but we all want to know where you get YOUR drugs. Exactly
where. We'd all like to check that out, you know, man?
Jerry Kraus
>
> - Show quoted text -
If you're involved in the drug industry, and proud of it, than you
shouldn't have any concerns about being personally checked out.
Unless you're worried about something. Like the legality of what
you're doing.
Shrik...@gmail.com
Well, if we, The Capitalist Conspiracy to Take Over the
World and Hide the Reality of Alien Anal Probings are
to succeed, we have to keep it on the QT, don't you know?
> Unless you're worried about something. Like the legality of what
> you're doing.
Last time I checked it was legal to post to Usenet, even
if you're just debunking the ravings of a lunatic. Did that
change sometime when I was busy working? Rip Van
Winkle awakes to find that the Stalinist loonies are
running the asylum?
Jerry Kraus
>
> - Show quoted text -
So tell us where you're getting your way cool drugs man, where's your
stash?
Shrik...@gmail.com
You are a pushy little fellow too. Does this mean I've
acquired an obsessive fan? A Mark Chapman of my
very own?
Imagine there's no loonies...
It's easy if you try.
No ravers in the street,
And no religion too.
You may say I'm a dreamer... etc.
Jerry Kraus
>
> - Show quoted text -
We just all want to be just like you, man. Where do you get your
drugs?
Shrik...@gmail.com
Well, that much is understandable.
> Where do you get your
> drugs?
Desperate, I see. Well, if I'd have known that
being defeated in a game of Usenet would send
you over the edge entirely, I'd have left you alone.
I am not a sadist.
Shrik...@gmail.com
Here's a hint: that's not a banana in my pocket, and I
am not happy to see you.
Jerry Kraus
>
> - Show quoted text -
Wooaahh! Are you into guns too, man? Guns and drugs. Great
combination. Do you party with George Bush?
Shrik...@gmail.com
Not a gun either. Here, I'll give you a hit. It's Usenet's
finest. It makes the conspirators go away. Really, it
does. It's not a placebo.
Jerry Kraus
>
> - Show quoted text -
Well, let's see it man. Sounds way cool.
dorayme
> In any case, there
> is no causal connection between drugs and schizophrenia
> because schizophrenia (or bipolar) because, by definition,
> they aren't caused by drugs.
>
Care to explain why this is definitional?
John J
> Takes one to know one, Jack.
Kraus dissolves into that kind of nonsense statement when he's run out
of things that he's read from some kind of radical misinformation site.
Pity him.
John J
> Hey, man, so where exactly are YOU getting all those cool drugs you
> like? Why don't you give us all a chance to check it out, eh?
And Kraus repeats himself by copy/pasting from his own earlier post!
He's out of fuel.
Give him some time to suck up some more from willfully ignorant
misinformation sources. Reading Jerry Kraus' stuff is like being a
chicken feeding from bullshit.
Don't go there.
Shrik...@gmail.com
It is a condition of the diagnosis of schizophrenia in the
DSM. A condition which is drug-induced cannot be
diagnosed as schizophrenia.
Shrik...@gmail.com
"Cannot" is a little strong. I should have written "should not".
Jerry Kraus
Am I bothering you, John?
Jerry Kraus
The concepts in mental health are utterly undefinable. You are a
Quack. Quack, Quack, Quack.
But, drugs are bad for you. Unless you sell them for a living,
Quack. Then drugs are profitable. Right, Quack?
Shrik...@gmail.com
Now you are just being dumb.
Jerry Kraus
>
> - Show quoted text -
Do you think Ritalin might help?
Shrik...@gmail.com
No, I think it'll take a cranial-anal extraction.
dorayme
Are you saying that it is definitional because it is written down
somewhere?
I am asking, first, why can't the set of symptoms that makes a
diagnosis of schizophrenia reasonable have as part of the causal
history, drug use? And second, why cannot the largely unknown cause (a
brain condition) be itself induced (to manifest, if you like) by
drugs?
If I defined a condition of my car as "deadpan" iff it has flat tyres
that are caused by galvanised nails, this would be a pretty silly
definition considering that a realistically identical condition could
be caused by non-galvanised nails.
John J
Nah. I got a lot of welfare cases like you. You all fit a pattern.
Jerry Kraus
I'm not on welfare John. Don't need it, and not eligible. Where are
you getting the idea that able-bodied singles get welfare in the
U.S.? It's against the law. Ask at your local government office, if
you don't believe me.
Jerry Kraus
Studies convincingly demonstrate that virtually all cases of
schizophrenia are caused by drug abuse. Christ, what do you think
drug users experience, if not schizophrenic-type experiences??? These
become chronic with continued use. Delusions, hallucinations, at
first drug-induced, become chronic with continued drug abuse. Is this
so hard to understand?
dorayme
<8a303384-a76a-4561...@f33g2000vbf.googlegroups.com>,
Jerry Kraus <jkrau...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Studies convincingly demonstrate that virtually all cases of
> schizophrenia are caused by drug abuse.
"Studies" eh? Not, "most reputable, peer reviewed, studies". Just
"Studies"?
--
dorayme
Jerry Kraus
> In article
> <8a303384-a76a-4561-9359-8ca614d04...@f33g2000vbf.googlegroups.com>,
> Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Studies convincingly demonstrate that virtually all cases of
> > schizophrenia are caused by drug abuse.
>
> "Studies" eh? Not, "most reputable, peer reviewed, studies". Just
> "Studies"?
>
> --
> dorayme
Well, excuuuuuuuuuuuuse me, Mr. Peer Review, Ph.D. Nature, Science
reviewer!!!!
Overview: Use of street drugs (including LSD,methamphetamine,marijuana/
hash/cannabis) have been linked with significantly increased
probability of developing schizophrenia. This link has been documented
in over 30 different scientific studies (studies done mostly in the
UK, Australia and Sweden) over the past 20 years. In one example, a
study interviewed 50,000 members of the Swedish Army about their drug
consumption and followed up with them later in life. Those who were
heavy consumers of cannabis at age 18 were over 600% more likely to be
diagnosed with schizophrenia over the next 15 years than those did not
take it. (see diagram below). Experts estimate that between 8% and 13%
of all schizophrenia cases are linked to marijuna / cannabis use
during teen years.
(Image Above: Source: Cannabis and schizophrenia. A longitudinal study
of Swedish conscripts, Lancet, 1987)
Many of these research studies indicate that the risk is higher when
the drugs are used by people under the age of 21, a time when the
human brain is developing rapidly and is particularly vulnerable.
People with any biological predisposition towards schizophrenia are at
the highest risk -- unfortunately its impossible to accurately
identify this predisposition beforehand ( a family history of mental
illness is just one indicator of such a predisposition). [see causes
and prevention of schizophrenia for more information on all risk
factors linked to a person developing schizophrenia]
Researchers in New Zealand found that those who used cannabis by the
age of 15 were more than three times (300%) more likely to develop
illnesses such as schizophrenia. Other research has backed this up,
showing that cannabis use increases the risk of psychosis by up to
700% for heavy users, and that the risk increases in proportion to the
amount of cannabis used (smoked or consumed). Additionally, the
younger a person smokes/uses cannabis, the higher the risk for
schizophrenia, and the worse the schizophrenia is when the person does
develop it. Research by psychiatrists in inner-city areas speak of
cannabis being a factor in up to 80 percent of schizophrenia cases.
Professor Robin Murray (London Institute of Psychiatry) has recently
(2005) completed a 15-year study of more than 750 adolescents in
conjunction with colleagues at King's College London and the
University of Otago in New Zealand.
Overall people were 4.5 times more likely to be schizophrenic at 26 if
they were regular cannabis smokers at 15, compared to 1.65 times for
those who did not report regular use until age 18.
Many researchers now believe that using the drug while the brain is
still developing boosts levels of the chemical dopamine in the brain,
which can directly lead to schizophrenia.
Professor John Henry, clinical toxicologist at Imperial College London
said research has shown that people with a certain genetic makeup who
use the drug face a ten times (1000%) higher risk of schizophrenia.
(for example - if your risk of schizophrenia was 6% (due to a family
history of mental illness) prior to taking cannabis, it could be 60%
-- or more likely than not - after taking cannabis). Every person is
different (i.e. has different genes and different environments) - so
this "10 Times Higher Risk with cannabis use"- is just a
generalization, and it may or may not apply to a given person.
The increased risk applies to people who inherit variants of a gene
named COMT and who smoked cannabis as teenagers. About a quarter of
the population have this genetic make-up and up to 15 per cent of the
group are likely to develop psychotic conditions if exposed to the
drug early in life. Neither the drug nor the gene raises the risk of
psychosis by itself.
A recent Dutch study showed that teenagers who indulge in cannabis as
few as five times in their life significantly increase their risk of
psychotic symptoms.
The increase in evidence during the past decade could be tied to the
increased potency of marijuana. A review by the British Lung
Association says that the cannabis available on the streets today is
15 times more powerful than the joints being smoked three decades
ago.
Schizophrenia can sometimes be triggered by heavy use of
hallucinogenic drugs, especially LSD; but it appears that one has to
have a genetic predisposition towards developing schizophrenia for
this to occur. There is also some evidence suggesting that people
suffering from schizophrenia but responding to treatment can have an
episode as a result of use of LSD. Methamphetamine and PCP also mimic
the symptoms of schizophrenia, and can trigger ongoing symptoms of
schizophrenia in those who are vulnerable.
Melbourne University's Professor David Castle stated in a February,
2005 interview that heavy drug use during formative times of life,
such as the years at school, could affect the way a teenager or young
adult thought, impairing cognitive ability and having a long-term
impact on job prospects. Victorian studies had revealed that regular
use of cannabis by adolescent girls could trigger long-term
depression. And for those vulnerable to a psychotic disorder, even a
small amount of cannabis could pose a threat.
Professor Castle, author of the book Marijuana and Madness, has said
that those people with this "psychotic proneness" were those who had a
family history of mental illness or who had had a bad response on
their first use of cannabis or to a tiny amount. Others at risk
included those who had experienced a psychotic episode where they had
paranoid thinking or heard a voice calling their name. Professor
Castle said experiencing such a one-off episode was far more common
than people thought.
"People with such a vulnerability should avoid cannabis like the
plague," he said.
Without the effects of the drug, such a person might live their whole
life without ever experiencing mental health problems. It has been
estimated, for example, that between 8% and 13% of people that have
schizophrenia today would never have developed the illness without
exposure to cannabis.
Professor Castle compared the effect to feeding sweets to a diabetic.
While high sugar content foods did not cause too many problems for
most people in the short term, they could be catastrophic for
diabetics.
He said there was an accumulative effect when it came to cannabis use
and schizophrenia. Those who used the drug more than once a week were
more prone to needing hospitalisation and often suffered other
associated problems such as the breakdown of relations with their
family, isolation, crime and violence.
* Cannabis impacts on neurotransmitters that regulate how arousal
and stress are managed in the brain. Cannabis takes a long time to
metabolise, and can quickly build up to high levels in the body. Once
you get to this point, there is a real risk of depression or
schizophrenia being triggered.
* A Swedish study of 50,000 military conscripts found heavy use of
cannabis increased the risk of suicide by four times (400%). A
Victorian study of 2332 adolescents found weekly use increased the
risk of suicide attempts among females by five times. Weekly use as a
teenager doubled the risk of depression and anxiety. Daily use at the
age of 20 boosted the risk of depression and anxiety by five times
(500%).
Helpful Actions: If you want to avoid getting schizophrenia - research
suggests that the number one thing you should avoid are street drugs
(especially marijuana/cannabis - but because you never know what
someone has put into a street drug, all of them are dangerous). By
avoiding use of all street drugs research suggests that you can
greatly reduce the chance (by as much as 50% to 80% if you are
biologically predisposed) that you'll develop schizophrenia. Avoiding
marijuana after developing schizophrenia also helps reduce relapse
rates. Some people with schizophrenia suggest that it makes them feel
better, but if depression is an issue we recommend these people talk
to their Psych-Doc about possible anti-depressant use rather than
street drugs.
Do not use even small amounts of cannabis if you have any family
history of mental illness, have had an episode of paranoid thinking or
hearing voices or had a bad response when first using cannabis or when
using a small amount.
Other street drugs are also very dangerous - partly because they are
produced in home laboratories with virtually any possible combination
of additional substances mixed in with the drugs. See: Crystal Meth &
Schizophrenia
Schizophrenia and Cannabis Video Report:
A recent Internet video report on schizophrenia and cannabis has
recently become available. To play the video go to the following link
- and then click on "Play" button to view any of the 6 different
sections of the video report: Messing with Heads: New Research into
the longterm effects of Cannabis (Internet Video, 2005) from the
Australian Broadcasting Company (ABC).
Supporting News (a sample):
Recent news on Marijuana / cannabis and schizophrenia (from
schizophrenia.com newsblog)
Marijuana Doubles Risk of Schizophrenia - March, 2005
Interview with Dr. Andrew Campbell on Schizophrenia and Cannabis -
Feb, 2005
25% of cannabis users faces a ten-fold higher risk of mental illness -
Jan, 2005
True Story of Cannabis-Induced Schizophrenia - January, 2005
Marijuana and Psychosis Link - December, 2004
Another Study Links Marijuana to Schizophrenia - News, April 2004
Psychotic Symptoms More Likely with Cannabis - New Scientist, 2004
The Link between Cannabis and Psychosis - Robin Murray, MD
Cannabis link to mental illness strengthened - New Scientist Magazine
If cannabis is safe, why am I psychotic? - Times Online
My Son and Cannabis - a anecdotal story from a parent convinced that
his son's use of cannabis caused the development of schizophrenia. BBC
News, June 2005
Drug Abuse and Risk of Developing Schizophrenia - (News)
Marijuana and Schizophrenia - (News)
Cannabis mental health risks 'must be taught' - Guardian Newspaper
Powerpoint Presentation "Canabis: The Facts" by British Toxicology
Society
Review shows that cannabis use is a risk factor for schizophrenia
Psychiatrists say "No" to Marijuana
The National Institute on Drug Abuse Adds Warning of Major Depressive
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dorayme
<f2f829a5-eae1-4d28...@r24g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>,
Jerry Kraus <jkrau...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Dec 11, 5:51 pm, dorayme <doraymeRidT...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> > In article
> > <8a303384-a76a-4561-9359-8ca614d04...@f33g2000vbf.googlegroups.com>,
> > Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Studies convincingly demonstrate that virtually all cases of
> > > schizophrenia are caused by drug abuse.
> >
> > "Studies" eh? Not, "most reputable, peer reviewed, studies". Just
> > "Studies"?
> >
> > --
> > dorayme
>
> Well, excuuuuuuuuuuuuse me, Mr. Peer Review, Ph.D. Nature, Science
> reviewer!!!!
<g> You have managed to make me smile. First time today!
[ ...Some *very* good stuff snipped ... some especially wise advice to
people tempted to street drugs...]
I could not quite see that your quoted lit supported your sweeping claim
about "virtually all" but perhaps I should look more closely when I have
time.
--
dorayme
John J
> Studies convincingly demonstrate that virtually all cases of
> schizophrenia are caused by drug abuse.
Citations from credible, peer-reviewed sources, please? Otherwise, it's
just another case of you pulling stuff from your ass.
> Christ, what do you think
> drug users experience, if not schizophrenic-type experiences???
Wow, that's purely insane! And you got there without drugs?
John J
> Overview: Use of street drugs (including LSD,methamphetamine,marijuana/
> hash/cannabis) have been linked with significantly increased
> probability of developing schizophrenia.
Don't you wonder about two factors such as: 1) how did they define
schizophrenia and 2) whether the individuals were already not
schizophrenic?
> Many of these research studies indicate that the risk is higher when
> the drugs are used by people under the age of 21, a time when the
> human brain is developing rapidly and is particularly vulnerable.
Which just happens to coincide with the emergence of schitzo in the
general populace regardless of drug use.
> People with any biological predisposition towards schizophrenia are at
> the highest risk
DUH! What have I mentioned already.
-- unfortunately its impossible to accurately
> identify this predisposition beforehand ( a family history of mental
> illness is just one indicator of such a predisposition).
Ah, the good old one-factor red-herring.
> Researchers in New Zealand found that those who used cannabis by the
> age of 15 were more than three times (300%) more likely to develop
> illnesses such as schizophrenia.
Look to the 'statistics' and tell us when schitzo normally occurs. Oh
my! What a coincidence! It could be aspirin that did it! Or mother's milk!
All the rest of your bullshit only points to persons who already have
mental problems who just happen to use natural drugs. Aspirin.
> [...] SNIP THE REST OF THE FOOL'S COPY/PASTE without understanding a thing.
Shrik...@gmail.com
> On Dec 10, 5:18 pm, dorayme <dora...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 10, 1:30 pm, Shrikeb...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > On Dec 9, 3:45 pm, dorayme <dora...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
> > > > On Dec 10, 4:42 am, Shrikeb...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > > > In any case, there
> > > > > is no causal connection between drugs and schizophrenia
> > > > > because schizophrenia (or bipolar) because, by definition,
> > > > > they aren't caused by drugs.
>
> > > > Care to explain why this is definitional?
>
> > > It is a condition of the diagnosis of schizophrenia in the
> > > DSM. A condition which is drug-induced cannot be
> > > diagnosed as schizophrenia.
>
> > Are you saying that it is definitional because it is written down
> > somewhere?
>
> > I am asking, first, why can't the set of symptoms that makes a
> > diagnosis of schizophrenia reasonable have as part of the causal
> > history, drug use? And second, why cannot the largely unknown cause (a
> > brain condition) be itself induced (to manifest, if you like) by
> > drugs?
Because we are trying to be scientific, and isolate the
disease. Once upon a time, nearly all psychotic states
were lumped under the heading, "schizophrenia."
> > If I defined a condition of my car as "deadpan" iff it has flat tyres
> > that are caused by galvanised nails, this would be a pretty silly
> > definition considering that a realistically identical condition could
> > be caused by non-galvanised nails.
>
> Studies convincingly demonstrate that virtually all cases of
> schizophrenia are caused by drug abuse.
No. The scientific consensus is that the vast
majority of cases of schizophrenia are entirely genetically
predetermined.
I know you don't care for science, prefering the comfort of
superstition, as you have indicated on many an occassion.
This explains your propensity for comforting quasi-religious
propaganda on this and other issues.
> Christ, what do you think
> drug users experience, if not schizophrenic-type experiences???
Heh. Obviously, you have no idea.
> These
> become chronic with continued use. Delusions, hallucinations, at
> first drug-induced, become chronic with continued drug abuse. Is this
> so hard to understand?
Why isn't "talking out of one's ass" a symptom of schizophrenia?
I think methamphetamine toxicity will cause people to act a lot
like Jerry in that regard.
Shrik...@gmail.com
>
> read more »
The # 1 reason the data is being misinterpreted in the above
is that the schizophrenia rate has not increased with the
increase in the use of street drugs. "Splain that one, Lucy.
You will find that smoking cigarettes correlates with schizophrenia
as well, but nobody bothers confusing the direction of causation
there. Schizophrenia often begins manifesting in adolescence
anyway, so it is obvious they are going to tend to self-medicate
more often at that time than normal people.
dorayme
<dc608578-a7b0-4f42...@40g2000prx.googlegroups.com>,
Shrik...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Dec 11, 3:25 pm, Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Dec 10, 5:18 pm, dorayme <dora...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> >
> > > On Dec 10, 1:30 pm, Shrikeb...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > > On Dec 9, 3:45 pm, dorayme <dora...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> >
> > > > > On Dec 10, 4:42 am, Shrikeb...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > > > > In any case, there
> > > > > > is no causal connection between drugs and schizophrenia
> > > > > > because schizophrenia (or bipolar) because, by definition,
> > > > > > they aren't caused by drugs.
> >
> > > > > Care to explain why this is definitional?
> >
> > > > It is a condition of the diagnosis of schizophrenia in the
> > > > DSM. A condition which is drug-induced cannot be
> > > > diagnosed as schizophrenia.
> >
> > > Are you saying that it is definitional because it is written down
> > > somewhere?
> >
> > > I am asking, first, why can't the set of symptoms that makes a
> > > diagnosis of schizophrenia reasonable have as part of the causal
> > > history, drug use? And second, why cannot the largely unknown cause (a
> > > brain condition) be itself induced (to manifest, if you like) by
> > > drugs?
>
> Because we are trying to be scientific, and isolate the
> disease. Once upon a time, nearly all psychotic states
> were lumped under the heading, "schizophrenia."
You don't sense any disconnect between my question to JK and your answer?
--
dorayme
Shrik...@gmail.com
Actually, it was originally a question to me.
I just decided to piggyback it. The problem is that superficial
similarity between say a toxic drug-induced delirium and
schizophrenia (which is, after all, a genetic illness) does
merely gets in the way of prognosis and treatment.
Amphetamine psychosis, for example, may have some
similarities with a schizophrenic psychotic episode, but
the prognosis is completely different. It is dubious that
the underlying conditions that causes different types of
schizophrenia even _could_ be induced artificially with
any drugs (unless they can insinuate themselves into the
genetic expression of the subject). In any case, we would
have to isolate what was the underlying condition causing
schizophrenia first.
Shrik...@gmail.com
> Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 11, 5:51 pm, dorayme <doraymeRidT...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <8a303384-a76a-4561-9359-8ca614d04...@f33g2000vbf.googlegroups.com>,
> > > Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Studies convincingly demonstrate that virtually all cases of
> > > > schizophrenia are caused by drug abuse.
>
> > > "Studies" eh? Not, "most reputable, peer reviewed, studies". Just
> > > "Studies"?
>
> > > --
> > > dorayme
>
> > Well, excuuuuuuuuuuuuse me, Mr. Peer Review, Ph.D. Nature, Science
> > reviewer!!!!
>
> <g> You have managed to make me smile. First time today!
>
> [ ...Some *very* good stuff snipped ... some especially wise advice to
> people tempted to street drugs...]
>
> I could not quite see that your quoted lit supported your sweeping claim
> about "virtually all" but perhaps I should look more closely when I have
> time.
It clearly can't be "virtually all" since virtually all
schizophrenia is a matter of genetics.
Although there is this:
Prenatal Exposure to Famine Increases Risk of Schizophrenia
<http://www.redorbit.com/news/health/195912/
prenatal_exposure_to_famine_increases_risk_of_schizophrenia/>
Consider this question as well:
if cannabis were the cause of more schizophrenia,
wouldn't we have seen an upswing in the number
of schizophrenics in the US after the sixties?
Anyway, we know schizophrenics tend to use more
tobacco as well:
http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S092099640100192X
"In summary, these two studies suggest that schizophrenia is strongly
associated with smoking. Neither substance use, antipsychotics, nor
institutionalism can explain this relationship."
The problem is that schizophrenics tend to engage in
more drug-seeking behavior, which really indicates
they are trying to medicate themselves. Just because
a schizophrenic is not diagnosed does not mean she
is not afflicted with behavioral changes, so the whole
attempt to draw the conclusion of causation by looking
at use prior to diagnosis is invalid.
A more valid study would measure the incidence of
schizophrenia before the vast increase in cannabis
use to the number after. Guess what? You won't
find such a study giving the conclusion that
schizophrenia has increased with the increase in
cannabis use. Because it hasn't. Half of Americans
have at least tried cannabis at one time. Yet, the
Reefer Madness epidemic is non-existent, except
in the minds of the credulous. Consumers of
propaganda.
Jerry Kraus
John, are all computer programmers these days quite as stupid as you
are? Could explain why we haven't had any progress in software
development since the mid-1990's.
Jerry Kraus
> On Dec 11, 4:46 pm, dorayme <doraymeRidT...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
> - Show quoted text -
> > I could not quite see that your quoted lit supported your sweeping claim
> > about "virtually all" but perhaps I should look more closely when I have
> > time.
>
> It clearly can't be "virtually all" since virtually all
> schizophrenia is a matter of genetics.
Circular argument much? Logical fallacy much?
> A more valid study would measure the incidence of
> schizophrenia before the vast increase in cannabis
> use to the number after. Guess what? You won't
> find such a study giving the conclusion that
> schizophrenia has increased with the increase in
> cannabis use. Because it hasn't. Half of Americans
> have at least tried cannabis at one time. Yet, the
> Reefer Madness epidemic is non-existent, except
> in the minds of the credulous. Consumers of
> propaganda.
Spoken like a true druggie. With schizophrenic tendancies. What a
surprise!
John J
That is your impoverished view, possibly because you stopped working
around then and are out-of-touch.
John J
> Spoken like a true druggie. With schizophrenic tendancies. What a
> surprise!
You know Kraus' arguments have failed when he resorts to childish innuendo.
Jerry Kraus
Talking to yourself again, John? Careful. Your colleagues might
start to worry about you.
John J
"Jerry Kraus" <jkrau...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:8a303384-a76a-4561...@f33g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...
> Studies convincingly demonstrate that virtually all cases of
> schizophrenia are caused by drug abuse.
Citations, please!
(You might consider dropping weasle-words like "virtually". )
Schizophrenia usually preciptates after such factors as social stress,
physical stress including other illnesses, head injury, and drugs.. Drugs
are only one, and likely the least cause of the disease.
I suspect that your impression of the cause of schizophrenia comes from
wishfull thinking, some kind of hidden agenda.
Shrik...@gmail.com
> On Dec 12, 2:15 am, Shrikeb...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > On Dec 11, 4:46 pm, dorayme <doraymeRidT...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
> > - Show quoted text -
> > > I could not quite see that your quoted lit supported your sweeping claim
> > > about "virtually all" but perhaps I should look more closely when I have
> > > time.
>
> > It clearly can't be "virtually all" since virtually all
> > schizophrenia is a matter of genetics.
>
> Circular argument much? Logical fallacy much?
LOL. That isn't a circular argument. It's merely
a statement of the scientific consensus: most
schizophrenia is _entirely_ genetic.
> > A more valid study would measure the incidence of
> > schizophrenia before the vast increase in cannabis
> > use to the number after. Guess what? You won't
> > find such a study giving the conclusion that
> > schizophrenia has increased with the increase in
> > cannabis use. Because it hasn't. Half of Americans
> > have at least tried cannabis at one time. Yet, the
> > Reefer Madness epidemic is non-existent, except
> > in the minds of the credulous. Consumers of
> > propaganda.
>
> Spoken like a true druggie. With schizophrenic tendancies. What a
> surprise!
Spoken like a truly credulous consumer of propaganda.
How do your claims of Reefer Madness bear up when
you compare the incidence of shizophrenia in the US
before the sixties and in the decades after the sixties.
Hint: there hasn't been an increase in the incidence of
schizophrenia since the sixties. So those who try to
argue that the correlation between cannabis use and
schizophrenia represents a causal relationship from
the use to the condition are obviously full of it.
What a surprise.
Shrik...@gmail.com
Could you explain why you make assertions
about things you know nothing much about?
Jerry Kraus
>
> - Show quoted text -
I'm not sure that merely being a drug dealer qualifies you for much,
other than destroying people's brains, sorry. Doesn't convince me
that what you're saying is entirely accurate. Rather the reverse,
actually. A combination of drug-induced hallucinations and financial
self-interest don't leave much room for the facts in your brain, I'm
afraid. That's pretty obvious.
Jerry Kraus
> "Jerry Kraus" <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
John, don't they teach programmers how to read, anymore?
Shrik...@gmail.com
> On Dec 12, 12:10 pm, Shrikeb...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 12, 7:20 am, Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Dec 11, 8:36 pm, John J <n...@droffats.ten> wrote:
>
> > > > Jerry Kraus wrote:
> > > > > Studies convincingly demonstrate that virtually all cases of
> > > > > schizophrenia are caused by drug abuse.
>
> > > > Citations from credible, peer-reviewed sources, please? Otherwise, it's
> > > > just another case of you pulling stuff from your ass.
>
> > > > > Christ, what do you think
> > > > > drug users experience, if not schizophrenic-type experiences???
>
> > > > Wow, that's purely insane! And you got there without drugs?
>
> > > John, are all computer programmers these days quite as stupid as you
> > > are? Could explain why we haven't had any progress in software
> > > development since the mid-1990's.
>
> > Could you explain why you make assertions
> > about things you know nothing much about?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> I'm not sure that merely being a drug dealer qualifies you for much,
> other than destroying people's brains, sorry.
Well, it's easy to confirm. Just type "schizophrenia" and
"heritability"
into your Google search text box and see what happens when you
hit the button.
>Doesn't convince me
> that what you're saying is entirely accurate. Rather the reverse,
> actually.
It's odd that you were so easily convinced that "prescription drugs
were the same as street drugs." Or that there is such a thing
as "Reefer Madness." Or that Joseph Stalin was a good dictator.
You are selective in your credulity, it seems.
> A combination of drug-induced hallucinations and financial
> self-interest don't leave much room for the facts in your brain, I'm
> afraid. That's pretty obvious.
Well, having your head so far up your ass must compress your
skull a little too tight to fit in the scientific consensus, eh?
Jerry Kraus
> On Dec 12, 10:23 am, Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
10 sites indicating a relationship between Marijuana and Schizophrenia
to every 1 saying there isn't.
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Shrik...@gmail.com
> On Dec 12, 3:24 pm, Shrikeb...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > On Dec 12, 10:23 am, Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> 10 sites indicating a relationship between Marijuana and Schizophrenia
> to every 1 saying there isn't.
A _relationship_ does not imply the direction of causality, now
does it? And I am aware that there is a lot of bullshit being
generated
about this issue. As you say, there is a lot of money in this market,
for the prohibitionists, whose jobs rely on it, as well as the
capitalists
and the alcohol manufacturers. There is an even stronger relationship
between cigarettes and schizophrenia, but nobody is saying cigarettes
_cause_ schizophrenia.
Here's the money quote:
http://bjp.rcpsych.org/cgi/content/full/187/4/306
Studies by Arseneault et al (2002), van Os et al (2002) and Zammit et
al
(2002) have reported an association between cannabis use and later
psychosis.
However, sharp increases in cannabis use have not been reflected in
an
increased prevalence of schizophrenia (Degenhardt et al, 2003).
Sharp increases in cannabis use have not been reflected in an
increase prevalence of schizophrenia. That suggest that the
association between schizophrenia and cannabis is, like the
association between schizophrenia and tobacco use, a matter
of mental illness causing drug use.
Show one quote that indicates the schizophrenia rate has
increased with the sharp increase in cannabis use. That's
the important obstacle for you to overcome. Correlation does
nothing to establish the direction of causation. Now, this
space is left for one such cite:---->