Eleven senses
Akira Bergman
(Time,(Temperature,(Touch,(See,(Taste,
(Nothingness),Smell),Hear),Balance),Pressure),Space)
Where the strongest symmetry is shown. Nothingness is the sense of
Intensity, as it senses pure quantities. When there is nothing to
sense, it senses itself. Therefore it is also Consciousness. The
senses are converted, by their organs, to a common electrical code
before they are sent to the brain through Thalamus which is the
switching organ at the center of the brain. Consciousness is centered
at Thalamus it seems.
The 6 strongest dualities (Nothingness is a duality in itself) have an
overall duality that demonstrates the symmetry that simulates a four
dimensional hyper space-time;
(((Nothingness),(Time,Space),(Temperature,Pressure)),
((Touch,Balance),(See,Hear),(Taste,Smell)))
The corresponding shape is Tesseract.
...
Colors also obey the same symmetry;
(Bright,(White,(Yellow,(Blue,(Red,
(Grey),Green),Orange),Purple),Black),Dark)
All colors saturate to White at higher Brightness, and to Black at
lower. Brightness (Bright,Dark) is the enveloping element of Vision.
Therefore it completes the symmetry of colors;
(Grey) ... Stability
(Bright,Dark) ... Brightness
(White,Black) ... Contrast
(Yellow,Purple) ... Color
(Blue,Orange)
(Red,Green)
...
Since Nothingness sits at the center and is neutral, many modules can
attach themselves through their centers. This is demonstrated by two
stacks of culture;
(Anarchy,(War,(Communications,(Logistics,(Economics,
(Politics),
Ethics),Science),Aesthetics),Peace),Dictatorship)
(Chaos,(Predation,(Competition,(Production,(Reproduction,
(Interaction),
Extermination),Consumption),Cooperation),Union),Order)
Politics and Interaction are the Nothingness of their categories, as
the 10 elements of the Interaction stack are the fundamental methods
of control in Politics. They compare to colors;
(Interaction) ... Stability
(Chaos,Order) ... Brightness
(Predation,Union) ... Contrast
(Competition,Cooperation) ... Color
(Production,Consumption)
(Reproduction,Extermination)
In a stable system, (Chaos,Order) and (Predation,Union) dimensions
rotate vertical to the color dimensions to make 3 dimensional
structures with the other 3 dimensions curled-up and finely
distributed over them.
...
Fields also obey the 11-symmetry, if 3 new fields are introduced;
(Time,(XXX,(Light,(Weak,(Strong,(Higgs),Black-
Hole),ZZZ),Gravity),YYY),Space)
Previously I used Dark-Energy for ZZZ which is supposed to be the dual
of Weak. Now that there are 2 more fields predicted, XXX and YYY, I
will use generic names. XXX and YYY seem to be like Energy and Anti-
Energy. Maybe all three make up the Dark-Energy.
6 strongest dualities simulate a hyper Space-Time;
(((Higgs),(Time,Space),(XXX,YYY)), ((Light,Gravity),(Weak,ZZZ),
(Strong,Black-Hole)))
jesko
> The senses can be classified in an ordered stack of length 11;
>
> (Time,(Temperature,(Touch,(See,(Taste,
> (Nothingness),Smell),Hear),Balance),Pressure),Space)
>
> Where the strongest symmetry is shown. Nothingness is the sense of
> Intensity, as it senses pure quantities.
You are wrong according to Fechner Law Intensity is a common quantity
shared by all 5 senses
and its value in perception is logarithmic!
When there is nothing to
> sense, it senses itself. Therefore it is also Consciousness. The
> senses are converted, by their organs, to a common electrical code
> before they are sent to the brain through Thalamus which is the
> switching organ at the center of the brain. Consciousness is centered
> at Thalamus it seems.
Localization of Consciousness is an hard affair! Infact if
Consciousness is inside
some region of the Body the Mind too. But this remains unproven!
Then you have to admit that Mind and Body have a common nature.
But Body is potentially Mind and Mind potentially Body?
Akira Bergman
> On 21 Mag, 06:25, Akira Bergman <AkiraBerg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The senses can be classified in an ordered stack of length 11;
>
> > (Time,(Temperature,(Touch,(See,(Taste,
> > (Nothingness),Smell),Hear),Balance),Pressure),Space)
>
> > Where the strongest symmetry is shown. Nothingness is the sense of
> > Intensity, as it senses pure quantities.
>
> You are wrong according to Fechner Law Intensity is a common quantity
> shared by all 5 senses
> and its value in perception is logarithmic!
You are right when the scale and intensity elements ((Time,Space),
(Temperature,Pressure)) are considered as parts of Consciousness. Then
we have 7 senses.
>
> When there is nothing to
>
> > sense, it senses itself. Therefore it is also Consciousness. The
> > senses are converted, by their organs, to a common electrical code
> > before they are sent to the brain through Thalamus which is the
> > switching organ at the center of the brain. Consciousness is centered
> > at Thalamus it seems.
>
> Localization of Consciousness is an hard affair! Infact if
> Consciousness is inside
> some region of the Body the Mind too. But this remains unproven!
> Then you have to admit that Mind and Body have a common nature.
> But Body is potentially Mind and Mind potentially Body?
>
It depends on the definition. I understand Consciousness as the purest
sense, such that it mediates both quality and quantity elements. The
heart seems to be the place in the torso, corresponding to Thalamus in
the brain.
Akira Bergman
> On May 21, 6:42 pm, jesko <frans...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On 21 Mag, 06:25, Akira Bergman <AkiraBerg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > The senses can be classified in an ordered stack of length 11;
>
> > > (Time,(Temperature,(Touch,(See,(Taste,
> > > (Nothingness),Smell),Hear),Balance),Pressure),Space)
>
> > > Where the strongest symmetry is shown. Nothingness is the sense of
> > > Intensity, as it senses pure quantities.
>
> > You are wrong according to Fechner Law Intensity is a common quantity
> > shared by all 5 senses
> > and its value in perception is logarithmic!
>
> You are right when the scale and intensity elements ((Time,Space),
> (Temperature,Pressure)) are considered as parts of Consciousness. Then
> we have 7 senses.
>
Oops, you are right. I should have said;
"Nothingness is the ground state of Consciousness. When there is
nothing to sense, it senses itself."
>
>
> > When there is nothing to
>
> > > sense, it senses itself. Therefore it is also Consciousness. The
> > > senses are converted, by their organs, to a common electrical code
> > > before they are sent to the brain through Thalamus which is the
> > > switching organ at the center of the brain. Consciousness is centered
> > > at Thalamus it seems.
>
> > Localization of Consciousness is an hard affair! Infact if
> > Consciousness is inside
> > some region of the Body the Mind too. But this remains unproven!
> > Then you have to admit that Mind and Body have a common nature.
> > But Body is potentially Mind and Mind potentially Body?
>
> It depends on the definition. I understand Consciousness as the purest
> sense, such that it mediates both quality and quantity elements. The
> heart seems to be the place in the torso, corresponding to Thalamus in
> the brain.
>
Oops, Consciousness is generally used as the overall feeling of what
is happens. With Nothingness as it's ground state, it seems to have
two strong zeroes; Heart and Thalamus. But you are right,
Consciousness seems to be finely spread all over the body.
ZerkonX
> Where the strongest symmetry is shown. Nothingness is the sense of
> Intensity, as it senses pure quantities. When there is nothing to sense,
> it senses itself.
Explain this please. How does nothingness sense itself?
jesko
Consciousness doesn't seem to be a different sense.
Infact for example sensorial perception awareness is due
to sense as object of itself. If Consciousness was a different sense
this should imply other infinity of senses each object of itself.
Quality is disposition, alteration of a given quantity, but thought
are quantitative?
> > > (Strong,Black-Hole)))- Nascondi testo tra virgolette -
>
> - Mostra testo tra virgolette -
~~NoMad~~
You can read about these 16 in the chapter on Raw Data in the book Beyond
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Akira Bergman
A similar question arises for colors. Does grey exist? If you look
close enough to any grey, you will see colors. And if you look from
far away enough to any balanced color combination, you will see grey.
Like the chicken-egg question.
Since consciousness is recursive, it has to have a neutral ground
state.
Akira Bergman
Consider the chicken-egg question and take the limit to the ancient
past. Consciousness is the name of the overall feeling of what
happens. It's ground state is nothingness. It seems to us that without
senses consciousness is nothing. But take the same limit backwards in
time until everything merges. What was the initial thing that was both
the sense and the field? I think the same dichotomy still goes on,
packaged in many ways.
Consider the Higgs field, the mother of all fields. Recursivity
requirement forces the ground state to a state of nothingness, but not
nothing! A bit like going super conductive, not to lose energy
referring to yourself.
Another way of thinking maybe 0+0=0, 0*0=0, 1*1=1, 1/1=1.
Akira Bergman
> In fact we have 16 senses of raw data from our universe.
>
> You can read about these 16 in the chapter on Raw Data in the book Beyond
> the Information Age.
>
> You can get this book free for reading or download at:www.vias.org/beyinfoage/
>
> Enjoy!
>
> NM
I am sorry your analysis is has no lists to compare. I am interested
in a comparative analysis. Otherwise it is all words.
>
> "Akira Bergman" <AkiraBerg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
jesko
>
> - Mostra testo tra virgolette -- Nascondi testo tra virgolette -
>
> - Mostra testo tra virgolette -
neutral ground state - but consciuseness is also just sensorial and
not only mental.
So why it has to have a neutral ground state and not a ground
sensorial basis?
State and perception are not the same thing, cause a complex of
perceptions can
arise without a particular reference state.
And why consciuseness is recursive? Recursive in the original sense
means computable
but not all mental computation exaust mental behavouir. A not-
computable state of mind
is possible.
meatnub
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What if one cannot feel (touch, hot, cold, pain), smell, hear, see or
taste? Does one still have a conciousness?
jesko
Clearly not of sensorial perception. I don't believe that there might
exist consciuness of nothing, in the sense of nothing in its genus!
Akira Bergman
Senses are the foundation of the brain, because of the Space-Time
senses. Space-Time are senses because they have dedicated organs;
Thalamus, Basal Ganglia, Heart and the body itself.
> So why it has to have a neutral ground state and not a ground
> sensorial basis?
Same thing. A super conducting neutral scalar ground state is
essential for any complex system. For example the financial system
with it's extreme fetish for money and secrecy. I think the reason is
related stability.
> State and perception are not the same thing, cause a complex of
> perceptions can
> arise without a particular reference state.
There are fundamental states and all the other states are calculated
from them. Like unit vectors and all their derivatives. Sure not
everything is states, some are protocols between states.
> And why consciuseness is recursive? Recursive in the original sense
> means computable
> but not all mental computation exaust mental behavouir. A not-
> computable state of mind
> is possible.
Recursive because it is about being aware of being aware. The brain
must also have limits of calculation, since it hides a large part as
sub-consciousness. Consc is only a thin surface of a much larger
entity. Therefore the neutrality of the ground state must also be
limited.
Akira Bergman
How about the Space-Time senses? If they are also gone probably the
person would not live too long since their organs are vital.
Akira Bergman
Long used protocols get compacted and become states. (state,protocol)
duality is like colors, relative and fractal. Look deep into any state
you will see smaller states and protocols. Senses are comprised of
protocols and states. The sense organs are complemented in the brain
by their expert systems. In a sense, (organ,protocol,expert-system)
triplet is like the fields and charges.
Long repeated things get compacted, hidden and become habits.
jesko
So iterative, not recursive. But if perception is iterated N times the
results
is still the same object percieved the first time?
And if protocol connects state, what about perception of that
protocol?
Or protocol is not perceived but aid to percieve. And so protocol is
still recursive?
> must also have limits of calculation, since it hides a large part as
> sub-consciousness. Consc is only a thin surface of a much larger
> entity. Therefore the neutrality of the ground state must also be
> limited.- Nascondi testo tra virgolette -
Akira Bergman
Both iterative and recursive. Iterative because there is reflection
and feedback, recursive because we are talking about protocols.
To understand the compacting process think of language. There is lots
of mumbo jumbo going on trying to convey ideas. Mouth and other
gymnastics. But after a while, when you become competent enough, the
act of speaking and listening become automatic. You just think of a
concept and it just comes out without much effort. All learning is
like this. Longest habits of life are sensual, therefore it's
protocols are the most compacted and automatic ones. You don't know
how you do them. They are just there without any seeming effort. Of
course while the protocols get compacted their organs get more
specialized.
To understand the iterative process, think of the dualities involved.
When we eat something, the (Taste,Nothingness,Smell) triplet is
invoked. Without Smell, Taste weakens a lot. Smell is Taste's space.
Since there is a reflection going on, there must be a super-stable
state at which you don't spend much energy to stay. Like a standing
wave. Demand Supply balance of economics is also a super stable
process.
Since Nothingness is self referential, it is it's own space.
Nothingness is a bit like the differential of calculus and the epsilon
of number theory it seems. Differential is still not formalized
properly.
jesko
Would you like to formalize it?
I still don't comprehend what do you mean by nothingness.
It is self referential. So it occurs as object of itself.
But if perception iterate over nothingness then nothing other than
nothing
may outcome. Infact if it does so nothing shouldn't be no more self
referential
but also something different from itself. Some self-referential can
always invoke
itself as itself, but in general perception not. So how nothingness
occus in that triplet?
>
>
>
> > > must also have limits of calculation, since it hides a large part as
> > > sub-consciousness. Consc is only a thin surface of a much larger
> > > entity. Therefore the neutrality of the ground state must also be
> > > limited.- Nascondi testo tra virgolette -
>
Akira Bergman
>
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That is what I am trying to do. Tough job. I would have given up if
there were no examples of it like Higgs.
Another example if it helps; taste of water is the nothingess of taste
sense, and the smell of clean air is the nothingness of smell sense.
Surely it would be the first things to evolve.
Cheers.
Akira Bergman
theory. Renormalization group of QFT is about stability. Adaptation
and evolution is about stability.
11 dimensions of the M-theory rings a good bell here.
With the intelligence and memory stacks to get a minimum set, there
are 33 element with 30 outside. That correlates with E8.
I think it is possible to get an overall feeling through a comparative
analysis. I tried to avoid formalism, since it is so hard and I am too
old (50), hoping that there is a short cut. Now seeing the
correlations with E8 and M-theory made me relax a bit. Maybe there is
no short cut. But I will keep nagging in a relaxed way. If the
correlations I see are not illusions, then I am on the right track
through mainly naive ways based on intuition. I don't quite know in
what direction this will take me. Probably I will try to take the easy
path. I would rather play guitar.
ZerkonX
> Consciousness is the name of the overall feeling of what happens. It's
> ground state is nothingness.
Consciousness is the name of the overall function of what happens, more
like. Nothingness may be a mistake of zero or seeing absolute number in
the non-absolute process of existence.
Maybe it is the sense of metaphor that you are dealing with.
Akira Bergman
the boundaries of sensing. Now I am left wondering if a Space-Time
senses exist or not.
On May 21, 2:25 pm, Akira Bergman <AkiraBerg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The senses can be classified in an ordered stack of length 11;
>
> (Time,(Temperature,(Touch,(See,(Taste,
> (Nothingness),Smell),Hear),Balance),Pressure),Space)
(Pain,(Temperature,(Touch,(See,(Taste,
(Nothingness),Smell),Hear),Balance),Pressure),Pleasure)
>
> Where the strongest symmetry is shown. Nothingness is the sense of
> Intensity, as it senses pure quantities. When there is nothing to
> sense, it senses itself. Therefore it is also Consciousness. The
> senses are converted, by their organs, to a common electrical code
> before they are sent to the brain through Thalamus which is the
> switching organ at the center of the brain. Consciousness is centered
> at Thalamus it seems.
>
> The 6 strongest dualities (Nothingness is a duality in itself) have an
> overall duality that demonstrates the symmetry that simulates a four
> dimensional hyper space-time;
>
> (((Nothingness),(Time,Space),(Temperature,Pressure)),
> ((Touch,Balance),(See,Hear),(Taste,Smell)))
(((Nothingness),(Pain,Pleasure),(Temperature,Pressure)),