Re: Brainwashing children into Agnosticism and Atheism... ( reply to alt.agnosticism )
BOfL
did you come up with regarding Australian aboriginees and other
ancient cultures pertaining to the flood.
You are obviously passionate about your subject, and I respect that,
but if you wish to get through to people, and you cannot give a
reasonable explaination, then you are putting many potential followers
off.
BOfL
Nosterill
If he was that passionate then he might be prepared to engage in
debate - but he never does. OMJ is a fire-and-forget poster.
BOfL
Thanks for the tip....
Puts a new interpretation to the term 'poster boy' :-)
BOfL
Virgil
No newborn baby either knows that there are any gods (is Gnostic) or
believes in any god (is Theist).
All children are born agnostic atheists, and remain so until brainwashed
into being otherwise.
Errol
You obviously then dispute the efficacy of the "god gene" VMAT2 to
predispose certain people towards culturally acceptable god beliefs?
Jimbo
Predispostion of certain people towards accepting a belief in god or
gods doesn't equate to being born believing in them. It just means
that those certain people would be easier to brainwash into religion.
I must totally lack that gene because after extensive and intensive
efforts by my family and peers, I couldn't be brainwashed. I
remember that even as a four and five year old that the whole thing
simply did not make logical sense.
fasgnadh
>
> All children are born agnostic
> and remain so until brainwashed into being otherwise.
In the past century the greatest example of this brainwashing occurred
in the forced atheist indoctrination of children in the USSR and Maoist
China:
# "Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
# -Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
#
# "Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
# - Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
#
# But it was not just the Atheism of the leadership,
# but of the entire State apparatus;
#
# The atheist leadership's policies were implemented under
# the Red Terror, via gulags and executions, the use of
# every arm of the state for anti-religious propaganda
# and the forced indoctrination of CHILDREN! B^[
#
# "the state established atheism as the only scientific truth."
# - Daniel Peris,
# "Storming the Heavens: The Soviet League of the Militant Godless"
# Cornell University Press 1998 ISBN 9780801434853
#
# "Criticism of atheism was strictly forbidden"
#
# "Between 1917 and 1940, 130,000 Orthodox priests were arrested.
# In 1918, the Cheka under Felix Dzerzhinsky executed over
# 3000 Orthodox clergymen of all ranks.
# Some were drowned in ice-holes or poured over with cold water
# in winter until they turned to ice-pillars.
#
# -John Shelton Curtis, The Russian Church and the Soviet State
# (Boston: Little Brown, 1953)
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Atheism is totalitarianism all right.
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Christopher A. Lee
(The Doctor) wrote:
>Atheism is totalitarianism all right.
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What a fucking moron. A liar as well as an idiot.
All an atheist is, is somebody who isn't theist - and unlike theism
you don't need to brainwash kids in their formative years because all
you need to do is not teach them to be theist.
The Doctor
Christopher A. Lee <ca...@optonline.net> wrote:
>On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 14:40:55 +0000 (UTC), doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca
>(The Doctor) wrote:
>
>>Atheism is totalitarianism all right.
>>--
>>Member - Liberal International This is doc...@nl2k.ab.ca Ici doc...@nl2k.ab.ca
>>God, Queen and country! Never Satan President Republic! Beware AntiChrist rising!
>>http://twitter.com/rootnl2k http://www.myspace.com/502748630
>>For the latest World News go to http://www.cuttingedge.org/ - Lest we forget 2009 .
>
>
>All an atheist is, is somebody who isn't theist - and unlike theism
>you don't need to brainwash kids in their formative years because all
>you need to do is not teach them to be theist.
>
Proof that Christopher A. Lee is deluded.
Christopher A. Lee
(The Doctor) wrote:
>In article <15vif5tm5c45b1s2f...@4ax.com>,
>Christopher A. Lee <ca...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 14:40:55 +0000 (UTC), doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca
>>(The Doctor) wrote:
>>
>>>Atheism is totalitarianism all right.
>>>--
>>>Member - Liberal International This is doc...@nl2k.ab.ca Ici doc...@nl2k.ab.ca
>>>God, Queen and country! Never Satan President Republic! Beware AntiChrist rising!
>>>http://twitter.com/rootnl2k http://www.myspace.com/502748630
>>>For the latest World News go to http://www.cuttingedge.org/ - Lest we forget 2009 .
>>
>>What a moron. A liar as well as an idiot.
>>
>>All an atheist is, is somebody who isn't theist - and unlike theism
>>you don't need to brainwash kids in their formative years because all
>>you need to do is not teach them to be theist.
>
>Proof that Christopher A. Lee is deluded.
Proof that you are a fucking moron, a liar and an idiot.
fasgnadh
What have you been up to, DrillChuck?
> fucking moron.
Did Warlord Steve enjoy it?
> A liar as well as an idiot.
sure, but what can a cheap slut like you expect?
>>The Doctor wrote:
>> In article <FWaKm.53715$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
>> fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>> Virgil wrote:
>>>
>>>> All children are born agnostic
>>>> and remain so until brainwashed into being otherwise.
>>>
>>> In the past century the greatest example of this
>>> brainwashing occurred in the forced atheist
>>> indoctrination of children in the USSR and Maoist
>>> China:
None of the substance and facts are disputed by the Atheists!
As usual they SNIP and RUN from the facts;
>> Atheism is totalitarianism all right.
>
> All an atheist is
Agreed, history has shown them incapable of creating inspiring or
sustaining a single great and enduring civilisation
> brainwash kids in their formative years
Just because atheist regimes like the USSR and Maoist China did it why
do you tools defend and advocate it?
Ghod Dhammit
news:WUaNm.55938$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
I see you have nothing to say - as usual. Keep on saying nothing, we know
you have nothing to say, anyway.
fasgnadh
<unsnip>
<end unsnip>
> I see
Well that is good news, usually atheist tools just snip
and run from all the facts about atheism.. B^D
And have I convinced you that atheism is the most useless,
empty, and delusional dogma, at BEST, and a a murderous tyranny,
responsible for over 70,000,000 dead, at WORST?
> you have
And what is your response to those historical facts?
> nothing to say - as usual.
So what do you and the rest of the knuckle-dragging, sub-epsilon
moron athei-sith Borg plan to do next, apart from constant mutual
masturbation, of course?
> Keep on saying nothing
Ah, so it's SNAFU at Atheism Central, as usual! B^]
Don H
# What is the "fasgnadh" syllogism?
=========================
All Communists are Atheists.
Communism is Evil.
Thus, all Atheists are Evil.
=========================
This conveniently overlooks the fact that there are non-Communist
Atheists, and that Communism, while atheistic, is more concerned with
politico-economic matters, than dialectical-materialism.
The indoctrination which occurs under Communism mirrors religion; and
dogmatic faiths, whether secular or supernatural, tend to have the same
basic pattern: a Founder, Implementer, Bible, and Disciples, with lots of
willing or unwilling Followers.
Hence, whether it be Jesus or Marx, Paul or Lenin, the outcome is the
same - the Faithful persecuting the Infidel, and imposing the New Faith on
such inferiors.
Indoctrination with a Deity is more essential than with Non-Deity, as
there is no evidence for any Deity, a-theism being the default position.
There is a need to get away from indoctrination, as such, and adoption
of the Scientific Method in all spheres of human research, belief, and
education - going only by empirical fact, and evidence.
If anyone needs to indoctrinate, then it is already an admission of a
weak case.
But the West doesn't indoctrinate, only Commos and such-like do that?
Hmm, maybe, or maybe not. Michael Moore can get away with criticism because
he is a clown? The Court Jester always had more licence than anyone else.
When was the last time a Commo had free access to the Plutocratic Press?
Only the Internet is relatively free - and the Authorities are working
on that... ("free" being a naughty word in a profit-making society; much
less non-capitalist views being freely canvassed.)
But, "God" anyone? Proof, please!
philosophy
> Ghod Dhammit snipped and ran from all the facts about atheism:
>
Agnostic yourself?
Bit hypocritical considering many people think that
an Agnostic is simply someone who hasn't got the
balls to actually come out and say they're an atheist.
Larry
b789-911...@z4g2000prh.googlegroups.com:
Children are BORN atheists. That's why every religion forces them into
isolation to be brainwashed by the clergy's minions as soon as possible to
imprint them with their parents' superstitions.
Don't believe that? Locate a child that has never been subject to any kind
of theist "education". You'll find that child is an atheist, as he has
never seen any evidence, real or imagined, of any kind if deity.
They don't find boogie men under their beds unless they are TOLD there are
boogie men under their beds, either....which should be considered child
abuse just like religious indoctrination.
Atheist children, "untreated" by the terror and enslavement, are the
happiest humans on the planet.....and the smartest because their minds are
not preoccupied with superstition and terror. Don't let your kids anywhere
near them! They'll easily revert back to their natural state without the
constant weekly indoctrination you keep paying for every Friday or Saturday
or Sunday.
--
Larry
Christopher A. Lee
>philosophy <catswhi...@gmail.com> wrote in news:0a43be08-6123-4c29-
>b789-911...@z4g2000prh.googlegroups.com:
>
>> On Nov 20, 3:33�pm, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>> Ghod Dhammit snipped and ran from all the facts about atheism:
>>>
>> You're asking this question and you claim to be an
>> Agnostic yourself?
>> Bit hypocritical considering many people think that
>> an Agnostic is simply someone who hasn't got the
>> balls to actually come out and say they're an atheist.
>
>Children are BORN atheists. That's why every religion forces them into
>isolation to be brainwashed by the clergy's minions as soon as possible to
>imprint them with their parents' superstitions.
>
>Don't believe that? Locate a child that has never been subject to any kind
>of theist "education". You'll find that child is an atheist, as he has
>never seen any evidence, real or imagined, of any kind if deity.
Many alt.atheism regulars grew up like this.
philosophy
> philosophy <catswhisker...@gmail.com> wrote in news:0a43be08-6123-4c29-
> b789-9117b4053...@z4g2000prh.googlegroups.com:
>
> > On Nov 20, 3:33 pm, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> >> Ghod Dhammit snipped and ran from all the facts about atheism:
>
> > You're asking this question and you claim to be an
> > Agnostic yourself?
> > Bit hypocritical considering many people think that
> > an Agnostic is simply someone who hasn't got the
> > balls to actually come out and say they're an atheist.
>
> Children are BORN atheists. That's why every religion forces them into
> isolation to be brainwashed by the clergy's minions as soon as possible to
> imprint them with their parents' superstitions.
We've had this discussion on AvsC, and to be honest, I'm not sure they
are.
>
> Don't believe that? Locate a child that has never been subject to any kind
> of theist "education". You'll find that child is an atheist, as he has
> never seen any evidence, real or imagined, of any kind if deity.
I think the child has to actually make a choice as to whether to
accept the
label of atheist or theist.
I will grant you that any baby born to a religious family will
probably at
least be brought up to that religion through indoctrination.
I also grant that a child brought up by a non-practicing religious
family
will acquire by default, many of the basic indoctrinations of the
religion,
but perhaps will not be versed in its dogma.
A child brought up in a nonsympathetic religious household will not
have
the indirect or direct overlay of religion.
To say that each of these children is "born" into atheism takes no
account of what happens to the developing foetus. It is shown that
these little ones assimilate far more than we ever thought possible.
So, from my perspective every child born will have an existing
predisposition to the family's religious or non-religious bent it is
born into. Whether that child embraces theism or atheism as a
choice later in its life, will be dependent on that child.
Oh, just FYI, I am an atheist myself, brought up in a not pushy
Presbyterian family, and was subjected to bloody church
schools. So, I think I have a fair idea what I am on about.
>
> They don't find boogie men under their beds unless they are TOLD there are
> boogie men under their beds, either....which should be considered child
> abuse just like religious indoctrination.
>
> Atheist children, "untreated" by the terror and enslavement, are the
> happiest humans on the planet.....and the smartest because their minds are
> not preoccupied with superstition and terror. Don't let your kids anywhere
> near them! They'll easily revert back to their natural state without the
> constant weekly indoctrination you keep paying for every Friday or Saturday
> or Sunday.
I should hope so.
>
> --
> Larry
Christopher A. Lee
<catswhi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Nov 22, 2:20嚙緘m, Larry <no...@home.com> wrote:
>> philosophy <catswhisker...@gmail.com> wrote in news:0a43be08-6123-4c29-
>> b789-9117b4053...@z4g2000prh.googlegroups.com:
>>
>> > On Nov 20, 3:33嚙緘m, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>> >> Ghod Dhammit snipped and ran from all the facts about atheism:
>>
>> > You're asking this question and you claim to be an
>> > Agnostic yourself?
>> > Bit hypocritical considering many people think that
>> > an Agnostic is simply someone who hasn't got the
>> > balls to actually come out and say they're an atheist.
>>
>> Children are BORN atheists. 嚙確hat's why every religion forces them into
>> isolation to be brainwashed by the clergy's minions as soon as possible to
>> imprint them with their parents' superstitions.
>
>We've had this discussion on AvsC, and to be honest, I'm not sure they
>are.
People like many of the atheists on alt.atheism, including myself,
don't exist?
>> Don't believe that? 嚙盤ocate a child that has never been subject to any kind
>> of theist "education". 嚙磐ou'll find that child is an atheist, as he has
>> never seen any evidence, real or imagined, of any kind if deity.
>
>I think the child has to actually make a choice as to whether to
>accept the
>label of atheist or theist.
What is there to "choose" if the subject is never raised?
Besides which they are descriptions not labels.
>I will grant you that any baby born to a religious family will
>probably at
>least be brought up to that religion through indoctrination.
>I also grant that a child brought up by a non-practicing religious
>family
>will acquire by default, many of the basic indoctrinations of the
>religion,
>but perhaps will not be versed in its dogma.
>A child brought up in a nonsympathetic religious household will not
>have
>the indirect or direct overlay of religion.
>To say that each of these children is "born" into atheism takes no
What is there to be "born into"?
They're not theist. Which is all it means to be atheist.
>account of what happens to the developing foetus. It is shown that
>these little ones assimilate far more than we ever thought possible.
>So, from my perspective every child born will have an existing
>predisposition to the family's religious or non-religious bent it is
>born into. Whether that child embraces theism or atheism as a
Did YOU "embrace" not believing in Zeus?
>choice later in its life, will be dependent on that child.
>Oh, just FYI, I am an atheist myself, brought up in a not pushy
>Presbyterian family, and was subjected to bloody church
>schools. So, I think I have a fair idea what I am on about.
And you cannot conceive of people being raised without any mention of
religion?
>>
>> They don't find boogie men under their beds unless they are TOLD there are
>> boogie men under their beds, either....which should be considered child
>> abuse just like religious indoctrination.
>>
>> Atheist children, "untreated" by the terror and enslavement, are the
>> happiest humans on the planet.....and the smartest because their minds are
>> not preoccupied with superstition and terror. 嚙瘩on't let your kids anywhere
>> near them! 嚙確hey'll easily revert back to their natural state without the
Larry
887a-55b...@y10g2000prg.googlegroups.com:
> We've had this discussion on AvsC, and to be honest, I'm not sure they
> are.
>
>
I have atheist friends who adopt unwanted children. Yeah, I know that
slaps hard in the face of Christians who make us out to be Nazis....
They have 5 kids, now, all pre-teens to early teens. All these kids
came from typical homes here in the Bible Belt, but left them near birth
before any kind of imprinting can be done. The kids are healthy, happy
atheist kids with no sign of their natural parents' superstitions, no
religious hatreds, no indications at all that religiosity might be DNA
based from their parents' horrible religious terrors. Religion is
simply not discussed until the child questions what they're exposed to
in public schools by the I-Just-Must-Show-You-My-Jesus kids following
their indoctrination to spread their religion at all costs. Then, the
atheist kids, who already have been exposed to the local atheist
community and know these atheists are NOT the people the God Squad kids
tell them are animals, are asked who they think is right or wrong. The
Jesus Squad's absolute failure to convert them to the lies of
Christianity speaks volumes of the intelligence of kids who can REASON
for themselves. They don't need to be de-converted because they already
know it's hokus-pokus like Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy. "Mikey got
mad at me when I asked him to explain how my Trilobite fossil got
here." Atheist kids DO learn quickly how to press the right buttons!
Atheist kids love Monsters, Inc. and Harry Potter but will quickly
explain to you that these are FANTASY movies for ENTERTAINMENT, not
reality. An 11-year-old atheist explained to me, quite seriously, that
Harry Potter is a great example of the history of superstition brought
to the screen by Mrs. Dowling. "People actually used to believe in
witches, wizards and warlocks, you know.", I was instructed. "There are
no ghosts, either.", as my instruction continued.....(c;] I was dragged
into a closet full of toys and junk to show me there is no door the
Monsters from the Monsters, Inc. factory to come through. It was quite
comical...actually. None of the kids has ever needed a nightlight to
keep the "evil spirits" away while they slept. No fitful dreams of
indoctrination-induced burning in hell or being eaten alive in the
darkness. There isn't even a street light shining in their bedrooms and
they sleep like logs! Their foster parents also note that they potty
train very early and none of the 5 ever wet the bed after the
transition. I wonder if that's related to the early terrorism and fear
instilled in Christian kids horrified of sin by some clergy bastard...??
Because of its horrible bloody content, they aren't allowed to see
movies like Mel Gibson's bloody body dragging a cross down a street
before being nailed to it. That's very inappropriate, bordering on
child abuse, and should have been rated X to protect the children from
the blood theists telling them to watch what happened as "truth". Is it
any wonder Christian kids and Satan kids shoot up a school and murder
people or commit suicide? How awful. Their parents should be the ones
nailed to a tree for exposing them to this religious nonsense.
--
Larry
Virgil
<5ad73626-8e54-4610...@y10g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
philosophy <catswhi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 22, 2:20�pm, Larry <no...@home.com> wrote:
> > philosophy <catswhisker...@gmail.com> wrote in news:0a43be08-6123-4c29-
> > b789-9117b4053...@z4g2000prh.googlegroups.com:
> >
> > > On Nov 20, 3:33�pm, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> > >> Ghod Dhammit snipped and ran from all the facts about atheism:
> >
> > > You're asking this question and you claim to be an
> > > Agnostic yourself?
> > > Bit hypocritical considering many people think that
> > > an Agnostic is simply someone who hasn't got the
> > > balls to actually come out and say they're an atheist.
> >
> > Children are BORN atheists. �That's why every religion forces them into
> > isolation to be brainwashed by the clergy's minions as soon as possible to
> > imprint them with their parents' superstitions.
>
> We've had this discussion on AvsC, and to be honest, I'm not sure they
> are.
Depends on what definition of 'atheist' you are using. If, as most of
those who call themselves atheists mean, you mean without having any
belief in any gods, then newborns, having no belief in anything, also
have no belief in any gods and are definitely atheists.
And knowing nothing are agnostic.
If you mean 'strongly' atheistic, i.e. having beleif that there are no
gods, that is a different issue.
>
> >
> > Don't believe that? �Locate a child that has never been subject to any kind
> > of theist "education". �You'll find that child is an atheist, as he has
> > never seen any evidence, real or imagined, of any kind if deity.
>
> I think the child has to actually make a choice as to whether to
> accept the
> label of atheist or theist.
Again, this depends on your definition of atheist, and using the more
inclusive definition explained above, those who have not made the choice
you propose are naturally atheists.
fasgnadh
> On Nov 20, 3:33 pm, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>> Ghod Dhammit snipped and ran from all the facts about atheism:
>>
> You're asking this question and you claim to be an
> Agnostic yourself?
What Question? That's a statement, you moron! B^p
And what has being an agnostic got to do with criticising
brainwashing in atheist states, which is what my posts do?
The Subject header, which does include agnosticism, is NOT MINE, you
cretin!
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You appear to be completely retarded. Your response has
no rational or logical connection to mine at all.
> Bit hypocritical considering many people think that
> an Agnostic is simply someone who hasn't got the
> balls to actually come out and say they're an atheist.
Hypocrisy in any person is not determined by your stupidity, clearly.
Here are all the sensible issues which your idiotic post snipped and
ran from, just like the other mindless atheist tools;
fasgnadh wrote:
> Ghod Dhammit snipped and ran from all the facts about atheism:
>
Atheists always snip and run from this truth!
Virgil
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> > You're asking this question and you claim to be an
> > Agnostic yourself?
>
> What Question? That's a statement, you moron!
It is a question to those many who can parse it as one, but Fasgnadh
cannot even parse his own ramblings well enough to make them sensible,
much less anything else.
>
> And what has being an agnostic got to do with criticising
> brainwashing in atheist states, which is what my posts do?
Wrong on several counts. Lenin's state, for example was essentially
theist, though his god was a bit unusual as gods go.
# From Bertrand Russell, in his "Unpopular Essays", in chapter on
"Eminent
Men I Have Known" -
"Lenin supposed himself to be an atheist, but in this he was mistaken.
He thought that the world was governed by the dialectic, whose
instrument he was; just as much as Gladstone, he conceived of
himself as the human agent of a superhuman Power."
And being properly agnostic requires one to be atheistic in the sense of
having no belief in the existence of what you cannot prove exists.
And what you are doing is not mere criticism but hate-mongering against
a group to which you logically belong.
> > Bit hypocritical considering many people think that
> > an Agnostic is simply someone who hasn't got the
> > balls to actually come out and say they're an atheist.
>
> Hypocrisy in any person is not determined by your stupidity, clearly.
But it is determined by Fasgnadh's direct illogic in supporting the
claims of gods that he does not believe in.
>
> Atheists always snip
Only because Fasgnadh's posts are so full of tired old boilerplate lies
that it is hard to find anything in them without snipping out all his
fascist garbage first.
fasgnadh
>> philosophy shows he is the most inappropriately named tool in USENET:
>>> On Nov 20, 3:33 pm, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>>> Ghod Dhammit snipped and ran from all the facts about atheism:
>>>>
>>> Agnostic yourself?
>>
>
> It is a question to those many who can parse it as one,
What question, you post forging lying moron?
>> And what has being an agnostic got to do with criticising
>> brainwashing in atheist states, which is what my posts do?
>>
> Lenin's state, for example was essentially theist
"State atheism in the Soviet Union was known as "gosateizm"
- David Kowalewski, "Protest for Religious Rights in the USSR:
Characteristics and Consequences." 1980. The Russian Review.
"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8295?context=latest
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8290?context=latest
"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
But it was not just the Atheism of the leadership,
but of the entire State apparatus;
The Atheist leadership's policies were implemented under
the red Terror, via gulags and executions, the use of
every arm of the state for anti-religious propaganda
and the forced indoctrination of CHILDREN! B^[
�We do not fight against believers and not even clergymen.
WE FIGHT AGAINST GOD to snatch believers from Him.�
-Vechernaia Moskva, a Soviet newspaper
�Let us drive out the Capitalists from the earth,
and God from Heaven!� (early Soviet slogan)
"the state established atheism as the only scientific truth."
- Daniel Peris,
"Storming the Heavens: The Soviet League of the Militant Godless"
Cornell University Press 1998 ISBN 9780801434853
"Criticism of atheism was strictly forbidden"
"Between 1917 and 1940, 130,000 Orthodox priests were arrested.
In 1918, the Cheka under Felix Dzerzhinsky executed over
3000 Orthodox clergymen of all ranks.
Some were drowned in ice-holes or poured over with cold water
in winter until they turned to ice-pillars.
In 1922, the Solovki Camp of Special Purpose, the first Russian
concentration camp was established in the Solovki Islands in the White Sea"
John Shelton Curtis, The Russian Church and the Soviet State
(Boston: Little Brown, 1953)
>> The Subject header, which does include agnosticism, is NOT MINE, you
>> cretin!
>>
>> # From: old man joe <ne...@yahoo.com>
>> # Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.presbyterian
>> # alt.atheism,alt.agnosticism,alt.athiesm,alt.flame.jesus.christ,
>> # alt.christnet.calvinist,alt.religion.clergy,
>> # alt.recovery.fundamentalism,alt.religion.christian.lutheran,
>> # alt.religion.end-times.prophecies,
>> # Subject: Brainwashing children into Agnosticism and Atheism...
>> # ( reply to alt.agnosticism )
>> # Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 19:45:06 -0500
>>
>>
>> You appear to be completely retarded. Your response has
>> no rational or logical connection to mine at all.
>>
>>> Bit hypocritical considering many people think that
>>> an Agnostic is simply someone who hasn't got the
>>> balls to actually come out and say they're an atheist.
>>
>> Hypocrisy in any person is not determined by your stupidity, clearly.
>>
> # From Bertrand Russell, in his "Unpopular Essays",
> in chapter on "Eminent Men I Have Known" -
>
> "Lenin supposed himself to be an atheist
But because the atheist regimes of Lenin, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot were
all vile tyrannies, atheists ever since have been in denial of the
simple fact that it's leaders were atheist, the entire ruling Central
Committee were atheist, it implemented atheist policies, persecuted
tortured and killed believers, and forced the indoctrination of
children, and adults, into atheism.
Q.E.D.
Lie away, atheist frauds, you CANNOT CHANGE THE HISTORICAL EVIDENCE!
B^]
> And being properly agnostic requires one to be atheistic in the sense of
> having no belief in the existence of what you cannot prove exists.
Utterly illogical nonsense.. that is merely an unproven belief that
moronic atheists, desperate to boost the pathetically tiny membership
of their cult have convinced themselves of, and chant dogmatically in
the face of clear evidence that agnostics, OUTNUMBERING ATHEISTS,
EXPLICITLY differentiate themselves from the rabid atheists
> And what you are doing is not mere criticism
Indeed it is a devastating indictment of atheism, and reveals
than not just it's history, but militant atheist thugs like you
will not allow freedom of though and belief, NOT EVEN TO AN ATHEIST
LIKE Lenin, but try and FORCE your ugly, irrational and evil opinions
ONTO OTHERS WHO HAVE TOLD YOu TO GET FUCKED AND DIE! B^]
The most telling mark of atheist desperation is that they
constantly insist people are atheists when those people clearly
say they are NOT, and deny that EXPLICIT ATHEISTS such as Lenin,
Mao and pol Pot are atheists, EVEN THOUGH THEY SAID THEY WERE!!!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHA!
What greater proof of atheists disconnect from REALITY could you want?
Surfer
wrote:
>
>....
>
http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/biographies/1947/stalin/01.htm
".....In the autumn of 1888 Stalin entered the church school in Gori,
from which, in 1894, he passed to the Orthodox Theological Seminary in
Tiflis...."
<snip>
"......The Tiflis Orthodox Seminary at that time was a centre from
which libertarian ideas of every brand spread among the youth�from
nationalist Narodism to internationalist Marxism. It was honeycombed
with secret societies. The jesuitical regime that reigned in the
seminary aroused in Stalin a burning sense of protest and strengthened
his revolutionary sentiments. At the age of fifteen Stalin became a
revolutionary...."
Virgil
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> Virgil wrote:
> > In article <79hOm.56769$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
> > fasgnadh wrote:
> >> philosophy shows he is the most inappropriately named tool in USENET:
> >>> On Nov 20, 3:33 pm, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> >>>> Ghod Dhammit snipped and ran from all the facts about atheism:
> >>>>
> >>> You're asking this question and you claim to be an
> >>> Agnostic yourself?
> >>
> >> What Question? That's a statement, you moron!
Being a moron is still immensely above Fasgnadh's level.
> > It is a question to those many who can parse it as one,
>
> What question, you post forging lying moron?
The question asked clearly enough that only dunces like fasgnadh fail
to see it.
> The most telling mark of atheist desperation is that they
> constantly insist people are atheists when those people clearly
> say they are NOT
When someone says that he or she is not a CAPITAL-A Atheist ( is not one
who believes that gods cannot exist), he or she may still be a small-a
atheist (one who lacks belief that any god does exist).
And unless one is theist, one is necessarily small-a atheist.
So if fasgnadh denies being small-a atheist, he is explicitly declaring
belief in some god, even though he is being coy about which one.
>
> WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>
What greater proof of Fasgnadh's disconnect from REALITY could you want?