Virtual Reality
Mark Earnest
seeing?
When you watch these movies and see all these T-Rexes and Stegosauruses and
Triceratops and Pteranodons walking and flying around...are you really
seeing them?
Sure you are. That is why we are so fascinated when we see them for the
first time.
When we watch Jurassic Park or it successors, we are actually looking
backward into time...as if a hundred million years ago...was right now.
It's been fictionalized a bit...but that is just characterizing and
dramatizing
what you are really, and actually seeing.
And that is what is meant...
...by virtual reality.
Giga
"Mark Earnest" <gmea...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Since those films many scientist have come up with new ideas about how these
animals looked and it mat well be quite different from Hollywoods
impression.
>
BOfL
If one asseses reality by the physiological/neurological responses,
then everythiing is virtual reality.
One reason that particular medium is so popular, is that people can
watch and indulge in their fears without being in danger. That is,
until someone gets so scared,they can have nighmares when younger or a
heart attack when older.
BOfL
ZerkonXXXX
Or... not
What you see is ideas made into a drawing by a group of people which was
then modeled in clay or some such material by another then the model was
scanned into a computer 3D animation program as a 'wire mesh' type of
thing which then was textured/colored and then animated to match up with
people or things shot on film, then the computer animation is rendered
and put on film and this film then went to a lab and superimposed onto
other bits of film which may be of other computer images or of people/
actors doing stuff.
This is more like what you are seeing and it is not what is meant by
virtual reality and Jurassic Park had many many forerunners dating back
to the silent film days.
Sir Frederick
Yes, 'we' each do the "virtual reality" thing in our brain. Said representation even
includes 'ourself' as 'experiencing' all there, including 'self'. Then that representation
'self' insanely considers all as 'reality'. Deceit works, even 'self' deceit. What the BORG
does in obvious insanity, we each do in deceitful insanity. 'We' are built that way
through pragmatic evolution. Some, such as the BORG, are more deviant.
This does not make 'us' non existent, just representations, like hyper figures,
in a hyper painting. Probably, the whole, being trivial.
Hyper Sci-Fi story 'R' 'US'.
Sir Frederick
that all 'intelligent' structures incorporate such as this as a model that may then be
informationally manipulated for intelligence purposes, such as conditional
anticipation and 'understanding'. Each human brain supports this sort of
information process. Attributes of objects in my personal virtual realities are often
represented as 'qualia'.
See :
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_reality
"Virtual reality (VR) is a technology which allows a user to interact with a computer-simulated
environment, whether that environment is a simulation of the real world or an imaginary world. Most
current virtual reality environments are primarily visual experiences, displayed either on a
computer screen or through special or stereoscopic displays, but some simulations include additional
sensory information, such as sound through speakers or headphones. Some advanced, haptic systems now
include tactile information, generally known as force feedback, in medical and gaming applications.
Users can interact with a virtual environment or a virtual artifact (VA) either through the use of
standard input devices such as a keyboard and mouse, or through multimodal devices such as a wired
glove, the Polhemus boom arm, and omnidirectional treadmill. The simulated environment can be
similar to the real world, for example, simulations for pilot or combat training, or it can differ
significantly from reality, as in VR games. In practice, it is currently very difficult to create a
high-fidelity virtual reality experience, due largely to technical limitations on processing power,
image resolution and communication bandwidth. However, those limitations are expected to eventually
be overcome as processor, imaging and data communication technologies become more powerful and
cost-effective over time.
Virtual Reality is often used to describe a wide variety of applications, commonly associated with
its immersive, highly visual, 3D environments. The development of CAD software, graphics hardware
acceleration, head mounted displays, database gloves and miniaturization have helped popularize the
notion. In the book The Metaphysics of Virtual Reality, Michael Heim identifies seven different
concepts of Virtual Reality: simulation, interaction, artificiality, immersion, telepresence,
full-body immersion, and network communication. The definition still has a certain futuristic
romanticism attached. People often identify VR with Head Mounted Displays and Data Suits."
John Stafford
A good part of my day-job until just recently was 3D worlds , 'virtual
reality', and we use no such thing as clay models or anything material.
It's all made of polygons. But that's not really important here.
> This is more like what you are seeing and it is not what is meant by
> virtual reality and Jurassic Park had many many forerunners dating
> back to the silent film days.
Yes.
Virtual requires the potential for interaction. The best kind of virtual
'reality' would have consequences of interaction. One thing I developed
for higher education was a 3D environment that an avatar would explore
and be tested for real-world credits.
chazworth
Most of the Dinosaurs are not even from the Jurassic but the
Cretaceous.
John Jones
> When you watch Jurassic Park or any of its successors, what are you really
> seeing?
>
I see a sad little boy called Spielberg locked in his childhood home
bedroom watching endless Tom and Jerry cartoons. These later became his
dramatic template for Jurassic park and other crass, cartoon imagery
spielberg movies.
Mark Earnest
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If that were the case, then the reality just isn't as virtual as it might
have been.
Give the film makers a chance. They'll finally get it right.
Mark Earnest
"BOfL" <bigfl...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jul 1, 3:12 pm, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> When you watch Jurassic Park or any of its successors, what are you really
> seeing?
>
> When you watch these movies and see all these T-Rexes and Stegosauruses
> and
> Triceratops and Pteranodons walking and flying around...are you really
> seeing them?
>
> Sure you are. That is why we are so fascinated when we see them for the
> first time.
>
> When we watch Jurassic Park or it successors, we are actually looking
> backward into time...as if a hundred million years ago...was right now.
>
> It's been fictionalized a bit...but that is just characterizing and
> dramatizing
> what you are really, and actually seeing.
>
> And that is what is meant...
>
> ...by virtual reality.
If one asseses reality by the physiological/neurological responses,
then everythiing is virtual reality.
**That is a great idea, since it proves we are all little creators, but...
...isn't that watering down the notion of virtual reality just a bit.
Kind of like saying everyone is special?
One reason that particular medium is so popular, is that people can
watch and indulge in their fears without being in danger. That is,
until someone gets so scared,they can have nighmares when younger or a
heart attack when older.
**I'm not so sure that the audience is not in danger. Life itself is
dangerous,
considering that not one has gotten out of it alive yet.
Mark Earnest
"ZerkonXXXX" <Z...@erkonx.net> wrote in message
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**Try to have the vision of a motion picture producer. If course the
producer and the writer and the editor and the director can see back into
time a hundred million years before they
make the movie.
Mark Earnest
"Sir Frederick" <mmcn...@fuzzysys.com> wrote in message
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> An important 'real' or 'artificial' intelligence concept. My contention is
> that all 'intelligent' structures incorporate such as this as a model that
> may then be
> informationally manipulated for intelligence purposes, such as conditional
> anticipation and 'understanding'. Each human brain supports this sort of
> information process. Attributes of objects in my personal virtual
> realities are often
> represented as 'qualia'.
Great, Sir Frederick.
If the model may be informationaly manipulated for intelligence purposes,
then we are able to manipulate the past.
Mark Earnest
"chazworth" <chaz...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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**Thanks, I needed to know that.
Mark Earnest
"John Jones" <jonesc...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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Don't put down cartoons. Fantasy is where reality often begins.
Sir Frederick
'We' may manipulate 'our' model of the past. In some cases this
leads to lies. The contention between model and memory is interesting,
as in this case the memory is a model, as well. A case of dueling models.
At this point 'we' may discuss agendas and super models.
John Jones
Spielbergs monsters are an immature unholy mix of cartoon violence in
bloody adult format.
chazworth
> "chazworth" <chazwy...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
You mean you don't think this is significant?
Mark Earnest
**No, I was serious. I have a lot to learn as most anyone else.
Errol
What does unholy mean?
What is wrong with monsters and violence?
Are you some kind of tree hugging, weird beard socialist, wanting to
control (censor) what everyone is allowed to see?
Monsters stir the imagination. For every little red riding hood, there
was always a wolf.
An evil stepsister for cinderella, A witch in the woods for hansel and
gretel
Ancient mythology was littered with monsters, mummies, medusas,
mandrakes, mermaids, manticores, mujinas, minotaurs (and that's just
the letter M) dont even get me started on the letters A or C
Monsters are the cornerstone of our civilisation.
What kind of treasonous anarchist, would mess with that?
John Jones
> On Jul 2, 12:10 am, John Jones <jonescard...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> Mark Earnest wrote:
>>> "John Jones" <jonescard...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
>>> news:h2gae8$vgv$2...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> Mark Earnest wrote:
>>>>> When you watch Jurassic Park or any of its successors, what are you
>>>>> really seeing?
>>>> I see a sad little boy called Spielberg locked in his childhood home
>>>> bedroom watching endless Tom and Jerry cartoons. These later became his
>>>> dramatic template for Jurassic park and other crass, cartoon imagery
>>>> spielberg movies.
>>> Don't put down cartoons. Fantasy is where reality often begins.
>> Spielbergs monsters are an immature unholy mix of cartoon violence in
>> bloody adult format.
>
> What does unholy mean?
Spielbergs unholy amalgam of cartoon violence and portrayed-real tragedy
is unholy because it juxtaposes the supposed innocence of Tom and Jerry
violence with the U certificate violence promo that demands a degree of
blood letting and destruction of human values. It is an unholy alliance
of the pretend with the real. It is unholy because it debases what is real.
> What is wrong with monsters and violence?
It is wrong when it is juxtaposed as transient, ephemeral, cartoon
slapstick. Worse than that, it just looks crass and immature.
> Are you some kind of tree hugging, weird beard socialist, wanting to
> control (censor) what everyone is allowed to see?
So... who's doing the censoring here... come again?
> Monsters stir the imagination.
Yes
> For every little red riding hood, there
> was always a wolf.
Flat.
> An evil stepsister for cinderella, A witch in the woods for hansel and
> gretel
> Ancient mythology was littered with monsters, mummies, medusas,
> mandrakes, mermaids, manticores, mujinas, minotaurs (and that's just
> the letter M) dont even get me started on the letters A or C
> Monsters are the cornerstone of our civilisation.
> What kind of treasonous anarchist, would mess with that?
You like any old shit then. Cartoon monsters. Monsters are good but they
aint cartoon. Did you really understand my point?
chazworth
Oh - Okay.Thought you were being sarcastic. Yeah T Rex was a late
dinosaur and was probably around when the dinosaurs were "wiped out".
On the other hand the Jurassic period was in the middle period of the
dinosaur period. That would put "Jurassic Park" about 70 million years
or more out.
chazworth
> Errol wrote:
> > On Jul 2, 12:10 am, John Jones <jonescard...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> >> Mark Earnest wrote:
> >>> "John Jones" <jonescard...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:h2gae8$vgv$2...@news.eternal-september.org...
> >>>> Mark Earnest wrote:
> >>>>> When you watch Jurassic Park or any of its successors, what are you
> >>>>> really seeing?
> >>>> I see a sad little boy called Spielberg locked in his childhood home
> >>>> bedroom watching endless Tom and Jerry cartoons. These later became his
> >>>> dramatic template for Jurassic park and other crass, cartoon imagery
> >>>> spielberg movies.
> >>> Don't put down cartoons. Fantasy is where reality often begins.
> >> Spielbergs monsters are an immature unholy mix of cartoon violence in
> >> bloody adult format.
>
> > What does unholy mean?
>
> Spielbergs unholy amalgam of cartoon violence and portrayed-real tragedy
> is unholy because it juxtaposes the supposed innocence of Tom and Jerry
> violence with the U certificate violence promo that demands a degree of
> blood letting and destruction of human values. It is an unholy alliance
> of the pretend with the real. It is unholy because it debases what is real.
That's a laugh!!! How the fuyck can you equate "holy" with real? The
Holy book is a work of fiction.