Something's just not right...
Fred Weiss
http://www.denisdutton.com/cavemen.gif
The author, Denis Dutton, from whose web page I got the cartoon also
wrote an excellent op-ed in the NYT:
"It’s Always the End of the World as We Know It"
"We wallow in the idea that one day everything might change in, as St.
Paul put it, the “twinkling of an eye” — that a calamity might prove
to be the longed-for transformation. But turning practical problems
into cosmic cataclysms takes us further away from actual solutions.
This applies, in my view, to the towering seas, storms, droughts and
mass extinctions of popular climate catastrophism. Such entertaining
visions owe less to scientific climatology than to eschatology, and
that familiar sense that modernity and its wasteful comforts are
bringing us closer to a biblical day of judgment. As that headline put
it for Y2K, predictions of the end of the world are often intertwined
with condemnations of human “folly, greed and denial.” Repent and
recycle!"
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/01/opinion/01dutton.html?pagewanted=2
Fred Weiss
John Stafford
<5261daaf-c2aa-4ca9...@r24g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
Fred Weiss <fred...@papertig.com> wrote:
> This one is especially for the enviroHysterics
>
> http://www.denisdutton.com/cavemen.gif
It's more appropriate for those who deny medical care is important.
Sir Frederick
>This one is especially for the enviroHysterics
>
>http://www.denisdutton.com/cavemen.gif
>
The situation is so weird and spooky, that for a new
here and now to occur, the situation only gets worse.
"Right..." is a vast understatement.
As finite information structures, evolved by evolution, the
constraints worked, but they are there. Tick,tick...
Fred Weiss
> In article
> <5261daaf-c2aa-4ca9-894d-a22104218...@r24g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
> Fred Weiss <fredwe...@papertig.com> wrote:
>
> > This one is especially for the enviroHysterics
>
> >http://www.denisdutton.com/cavemen.gif
>
> It's more appropriate for those who deny medical care is important.
As usual you miss the point.
"Medical care" requires an industrial civilization.
Fred Weiss
Zerkon
Let us pretend for a moment that the function of fear, in the form of
Y2K, was used as a part of a crowd management strategy. Humans in mobs
being what they are. Planned Buzz kill.
Funny the NYT prints this as if somehow they were not then or are not now
constantly playing on fear. “Folly, greed and denial" and WMD's and all.
Tim
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Hey faulty facts fweddy, guess what, you are wrong, again. Medicine was
practiced in Ancient Greece and other ancient societies, none of which were
industrial. randroids sure are stupid.
Fred Weiss
> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 17:12:33 -0800, Fred Weiss wrote:
> >http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/01/opinion/01dutton.html?pagewanted=2
> Funny the NYT prints this as if somehow they were not then or are not now
> constantly playing on fear.
Well, I could just say that the NYT is not exactly the paradigm of
consistency.
But in fairness they do print opposing points of view and this was an
Op-ed not necessarily reflecting the views of the NYT itself.
Fred Weiss
Immortalist
> This one is especially for the enviroHysterics
>
> http://www.denisdutton.com/cavemen.gif
>
Researchers explain evolution of lifespan
Stanford scientists show in a forthcoming paper that traditional
mating patterns make men the key to explaining away the "wall of
death," an enduring puzzle in the study of human longevity.
The paper, to appear in the August 29 issue of the online, open-access
journal PLoS ONE, proposes a solution to a conundrum in the study of
human lifespan: why don't we drop dead soon after the age of last
female reproduction? Our understanding of the evolution of lifespan
suggests that we have no defense against mutations that occur after we
reach the end of our reproductive lives. As a result we expect a rapid
increase in mortality -- a “wall of death” -- just after female
menopause.
The authors show that the standard practice of tracking only female
life histories leads to mistaken conclusions about the forces that
shape human evolution. The reason is that men's and women's age
patterns of fertility differ in important ways.
The paper brings together data from hunter-gatherer populations to
show that male reproduction begins and ends later than women's, and
declines much more gradually. In many populations, historically and
even today, some fraction of men continue to father children into
their 60s and 70s with younger women.
In some groups, most notably Australian aboriginal and African
polygynous societies, late-age male reproduction is common. In many
hunter-gatherer societies, which may tell us most about how our
ancestors once lived, men begin to reproduce a few years later than
women of the same age and they typically continue to father children
for several years after the age of female menopause due to the
marriage gap in the ages of couples.
The marriage gap, in which older men marry younger women, appears to
be a near-universal human trait.
http://www.news-medical.net/news/2007/08/29/29226.aspx
Sir Frederick
Growing old and dying is a physical process, subject to manipulation.
thus 'we' today, grow old and die from ignorance.
Genetic manipulation is needed.
bigfl...@gmail.com
> On Jan 1, 5:12 pm, Fred Weiss <fredwe...@papertig.com> wrote:
>
I bet Rupert gave a bonus to whoever wrote that piece :-)
BOfL
Zinnic
> "Fred Weiss" <fredwe...@papertig.com> wrote in message
Insurance premiums of HMOs that restrict medical treatment to the
ancient practices would be affordable by everyone. Maybe you have hit
on the solution for the institution of universal medical care. :-)
Zinnic
Giga
http://www.denisdutton.com/cavemen.gif
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/01/opinion/01dutton.html?pagewanted=2
=Very interesting.
Day Brown
> This applies, in my view, to the towering seas, storms, droughts and
> mass extinctions of popular climate catastrophism. Such entertaining
> visions owe less to scientific climatology than to eschatology, and
> that familiar sense that modernity and its wasteful comforts are
> bringing us closer to a biblical day of judgment. As that headline put
> it for Y2K, predictions of the end of the world are often intertwined
> recycle!"
Justinian's Flea, by Rosen, is an example of the 'butterfly's wing'
effect on the world. For, it was in the 5th century, that a minor
climate shift, which brought cooler weather to Europe, also resulted in
cooler and wetter weather in the highlands at the source of the Nile.
As a result, the rats which lived at high altitude came down, and some
got on boats headed down the Nile. And along with them, were fleas. And
along with the fleas was Bubonic plague. Which landed in Alexandria. And
thus we saw the fall of the Roman Empire.
The history is obscure, but you just cant ever tell when some otherwise
trivial event will cascade twards chaos. The Mandarins never knew there
was a problem til the bricks in the palace wall started flying over it.
Fred Weiss
> The history is obscure, but you just cant ever tell when some otherwise
> trivial event will cascade twards chaos.
Hence the need for us to keep our industrial civilization alive and
thriving - with the constant scientific and technological progress it
produces. How else will we be able to cope with such events?
For example, I was impressed with how quickly we came up with a
vaccine for swine flu. As a result, it's almost been wiped off the
news and its epidemic potential has now been greatly reduced or
entirely eliminated.
Fred Weiss
Jerry
Your point is valid. The free market can react quickly to emergencies.
But your example is not a good one to make your point.
The H1N1 virus was never a serious danger. The H1N1 was even milder
than the normal flu. Those very few who "died of the H1N1 virus" had
other health problems and often did not have H1N1 but were
misdiagnosed. In some cases they died of the vaccine. You can find all
this information by a few Google searches. There is always a death
rate from causes in general, some of the cases had a cough.
It is amazing how media hype can cause a panic.
The vaccine did not protect and increased the chance of getting the
H1N1 virus (which was so mild that it was not worth preventing
anyway). The insert that came with the H1N1 vaccine lists many serious
health problems that the vaccine can cause. Again, you can find all
this information with a few searches. You can read the insert for
yourself.
It is amazing that people look upon their government as benevolent and
trustworthy. Fortunately that is gradually changing.
There never was any danger of a H1N1 pandemic except perhaps from the
nasal vaccine. But even if that had happened, the virus itself was so
mild that most people who got it didn't know they were sick and the
virus itself wouldn't be any big deal, but the vaccine would have been
the problem.
It is not surprising that they came up with the vaccine so quickly. I
suspect that they came up with the vaccine -before- they came up with
the virus. But that is a huge different topic. You can search it on
Google and get information overload from doctors and scientists who
have studied the subject.
Search what these doctors have on H1N1:
Dr. Russell Blaylock
Dr. Len Horowitz
Dr. Tenpenny
Plus others.
Also if you can get a hold of the book Ecoscience by Holdren, that
might be worth reading. Unfortunately it seems to not be on the
internet as an easy download. It outlines the Big Plan, which is the
ultimate in evil, worse than Hitler, worse than Stalin. (Do not
confuse this book with other books by the same title. This one has
Holdren as one of the authors.)
Day Brown
> It is amazing how media hype can cause a panic.
drugs, Iraq, Afghanistan, terror... build ratings. Which increases ad
revenue and therefore PROFITS.
The "free press" the Founding Farmers had in mind has been replaced by
the "corporate press" which has no mandate to service the public with
anything other than stud. Back when newspapers were sole proprietor or
family owned, if they lied, mobs would gather, and they knew who to drag
out to be lynched. But with corporate ownership there are no individuals
to target, no clear responsibility for decisions, and the corporate
money given to officials prevents any systemic corrections.
The corruption provided demagogues like Chavez with all the excuse they
need to seize the assets. If the system cannot properly enforce its own
law regarding, say, illegals, and the incomes of the middle classes
continue to decline, the demagogues will tend to be given the power to
solve the problem by any means necessary.
If the illegals are kicked out, then we'd expect the free market to
invest in the technological solutions, such as fruit picking robots, to
replace them. Which would be far cheaper in the long term, more reliable
production, and increased profits from investment. This is the path
twards rebuilding the manufacturing base in the USA along with much more
rigorous enforcement of corporate corruption of public officials. Bribes
reduce profits. The lack of bribes increases investment.