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In a May 11, 2004 interview with Denver CBS affiliate television station
KCNC-TV, England reportedly said that she was "instructed by persons in
higher ranks" to commit the acts of abuse for psyop reasons, and that she
should keep doing it, because it worked as intended. England noted that
she felt "weird" when a commanding officer asked her to do such things as
"stand there, give the thumbs up, and smile". However, England felt that
she was doing "nothing out of the ordinary".