Re: Gifts of Love and Tenderness for BROKEN atheists - Heaven and Hell
fasgnadh
"Heaven and Hell"
"Hell is a great grand banquet hall.
The architecture, furnishings, art and fittings are exquisite.
Cosy not intimidating, plush carpets and rich rugs, a masterpiece of
comfort and design.
The banquet table is not too large. It is festooned and arrayed with the
most delectable food and drink imaginable.
Anything your palate desires appears and is replenished.
Delicacies abound, Haute cuisine and Moms best meals, all there in
abundance along with divine fruits and flavors never previously
experienced.
Wines and juices the mere scent of which would make one weeping drunk
with joy…
...If not for the fetid stink from the piles of moldering
decomposing food and the unbearable noise of wailing and
gnashing of teeth in frustration…
For none of the denizens of Hell can bend their arms at the elbow…and
all desperately flick food and drink into the air from flapping hands at
the ends of stiff arms and run mouth agape to catch a scrap or drop or
tiny morsel.
Heaven is exactly the same environment as Hell in every regard…even down
to the inability to bend arms at the elbow.
But in heaven there is a gentle whispering murmur as its denizens offer
each other- "Would you like to try some…"…
"May I pour you a drop of…"
"May I wipe your chin for you…"…..with food and drink and serviettes
proffered to each other with outstretched arms.
It doesn’t stink and there’s no mess and they can
hear Elvis and Janis sing their duet ;-) "
- Ironbark
On 1/05/2010 10:50 AM, fasgnadh's dad wrote:
>
> "I think Nature's imagination
> is so much greater than man's
> She's never gonna let us relax"
>
> - Richard Feynman,
> Nobel Prize winning Physicist (deceased)
> waxing lyrical about metaphysics, describing the physical
> manifestation of the universe in the same transcendent terms
> theists have used for centuries to describe God.
>
> God does not let us relax. We are challenged by the universe,
> and all through history great minds have responded with
> enthusiasm and joy;
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGK84Poeynk
>
>
>
> fasgnadh's dad wrote:
>>
>> "Do you think that God can intervene in the universe as he wants
>> or is God to bound by the laws of science?"
>>
>> "Your question of whether God is bound by the laws
>> of science is a bit like the question 'can God make a stone
>> that is so heavy that he can not lift it'. I don't think it
>> is very useful to speculate on what God might or might not
>> be able to do. Rather we should examine what he actually does
>> with the universe we live in. All our observations suggest
>> that it operates according to defined laws. These laws may
>> have been made by God, but it seems he does not intervene in
>> the Universe to break the laws, at least not once he had set
>> the universe going." - Prof Stephen Hawking
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6O9cYTZXekA&feature=related
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> fasgnadh's dad wrote:
>>>
>>> Welcome to Atheism 2.0:
>>>
>>>
>>> "The Universe is within us, and I don't know
>>> any deeper spiritual feeling than what that
>>> brings upon me" - Neil de Grasse Tyson
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLvh64sMrWY&feature=related
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "We are all connected" - Neil de Grasse Tyson
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGK84Poeynk
>>>
>>>
>>> "Science without religion is lame,
>>> religion without science is blind."
>>>
>>> - Albert Einstein, "Science, Philosophy and Religion:
>>> a Symposium", 1941
>>> ^^^^
>>>
>>> Science being LED, as usual, by the divinely inspired; ;-)
>>>
>>> `Abdu'l-Bahá, in 1912, stated that religion without science
>>> is mere superstition and that science without religion is
>>> crude materialism;
>>>
>>> "Religion and science are the two wings upon which a man's intelligence
>>> can soar into the heights, with which the human soul can progress. It s
>>> not possible to fly with one wing alone! Should a man try to fly with
>>> the wing of religion alone he would quickly fall into the quagmire of
>>> superstition, whilst on the other hand, with the wing of science alone
>>> he would also make no progress, but fall into the despairing slough of
>>> materialism."
>>> 'Abdu'l-Bahá, Paris Talks 1912
>>> ^^^^
>>>
>>>
>>> fasgnadh's dad wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Symphony of Science: " A Glorious Dawn"
>>>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSgiXGELjbc
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Science without religion is lame,
>>>> religion without science is blind."
>>>>
>>>> - Albert Einstein, "Science, Philosophy and Religion:
>>>> a Symposium", 1941
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> fasgnadh's dad wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Bernini, unsurpassed in expressing the most profound
>>>>> and sublime ecstasy;
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXR2YZxgDV4
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> fasgnadh's dad wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Keith Jarrett, piano improvisation, Bremen Concert:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GuDY6tp1qM
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "In an interview after the concert he said
>>>>>> in order to play a good show, as good as this,
>>>>>> he has to empty himself completely. Empty out all
>>>>>> ideas, all thoughts, feelings, and sit before the
>>>>>> piano totally unsure of what will happen when he
>>>>>> touches the keys."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPqK1JJOFxw
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tn5r6KscagM
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdbBgjL
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> fasgnadh's dad wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> May you never...
>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOi_wxypeGc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Solid Air..
>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kg_Utj4Aljc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Flute, Harp and child..
>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0uL-n6yPs0
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Special Lakota Sign Language message for those atheists who
>>>>>>> have ears, but do not hear,
>>>>>>> and eyes, but do not see,
>>>>>>> minds, but do not reason, and
>>>>>>> hearts, but do not feel
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 27 seconds in.. after the Native American flute...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaHbbX-aoJU
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> fasgnadh's dad wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A Symphony of Laundry
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's been a long week, my brother
>>>>>>>> is down from the country and my daughters
>>>>>>>> will come as we visit mum in the ICU...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have the flu and my lungs are wracked
>>>>>>>> with fruitless coughing,
>>>>>>>> I'll have to wear a surgical mask to visit the hospital
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The sun is shining and I lay out on the grass
>>>>>>>> with Taj Mahal and Toumani Diabate playing
>>>>>>>> Catfish blues and Tunkaranke on the iPod..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We have a rotary clothes line and the
>>>>>>>> gentle spring breeze wafts pastel coloured
>>>>>>>> towels in a slow dance against a sky of
>>>>>>>> azure blue and delicate traces of high cloud..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A constantly changing pirouette as huge rectangles
>>>>>>>> of faded mauve and soft green, pale lemon and blue,
>>>>>>>> ripple and flow..
>>>>>>>> A large Navajo design beach towel hangs low enough
>>>>>>>> that as it floats past,
>>>>>>>> it's tassles lightly caress my skin..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> a sudden gust catches it and presses it up against
>>>>>>>> the central support pole.. it wraps around it
>>>>>>>> and hugs it gently in a slowly undulating embrace..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and then it lets go.. like a winged creature
>>>>>>>> at the end of mating ritual...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> to go twirling, flying, laughing into the sky
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> a dance of colours, a song of perfect joy
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the symphony of the Laundry
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> fasgnadh's dad wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
http://justmusicstore.com/Album/2194540/Ali_Farke_Toure_and_Toumani_Diabate/In_the_Heart_of_the_Moon/download-mp3/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Prelisten to Soumbou ya ya
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Gomni
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Al Ga Bani
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Kaira
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Monsieur Le Mai
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ali Farka Toure and Toumani Diabate
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> - Men of Deep and Gentle Spirit
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> fasgnadh's dad wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Water Kiss
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1136E4h5UQ
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> fasgnadh's dad wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Liz Story's Things with Wings
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kf66O8tbKY8
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Mamadou Diabate - Koraboloba
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0Hn51TS0UQ&feature=related
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Allah la ke
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Prelisten Track"
>>>>>>>>>>>
http://justmusicstore.com/Lyrics/4848823/BA_Cissoko/Electric_Griot_Land__Retail_Cd_/Allah_Lake_Feat._Amadou_Bagayoko/download-mp3/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> fasgnadh's dad wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aeyQA5sWaY
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dpIkErXI88&feature=related
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "they shall rise up on Wings like Eagles" Isa. 40:31
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> fasgnadh's dad wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1SyqZU38ig
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Native American Prayer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Oh, Great Spirit, whose voice I hear in the wind,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whose breath gives life to all the world.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hear me; I need your strength and wisdom.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let me walk in beauty, and make my eyes ever behold
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the red and purple sunset.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Make my hands respect the things you have made and my ears
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sharp to hear your voice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Make me wise so that I may understand the things you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have taught my people.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Help me to remain calm and strong in the face of all
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that comes towards me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let me learn the lessons you have hidden in every leaf and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> rock.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Help me seek pure thoughts and act with the intention of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> helping others.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Help me find compassion without empathy overwhelming me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I seek strength, not to be greater than my brother,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> but to fight my greatest enemy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Myself.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Make me always ready to come to you with clean hands and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> straight eyes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So when life fades, as the fading sunset, my spirit
>>>>>>>>>>>>> may come to you without shame."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_kVNOlhPMM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fasgnadh's dad wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lx0oGgBD7sg&feature=channel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fasgnadh's dad wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_s1CSagowoM&feature=related
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fasgnadh's dad wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbXVTIsMcFY&feature=related
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fasgnadh's dad wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GL8ADSmNstE
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fasgnadh's dad wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QuDEx3_Ygo&feature=fvw
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9tQQuUXp8g
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 511
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The clear bead at the centre changes everything.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are no edges to my loving now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've heard it said there's a window that opens
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from one mind to another,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but if there's no wall, there's no need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for fitting the window, or the latch.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Jalal'u'din Rumi (1207 – 1273)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fasgnadh's dad wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqhNPY882kE&feature=related
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ~ The Sun Never Says ~
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all this time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the sun never says to the earth,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "You owe me."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Look
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what happens
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With a love like that-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it lights the whole
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> world.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ha-fez (1310 -1337)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Khwa-ja Šamsu d-Di-n Muh.ammad Ha-fez-e Ši-ra-zi-,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fasgnadh's dad wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dpIkErXI88&feature=related
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fasgnadh's dad wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whatsoever things are true
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whatsoever things are honest
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whatsoever things are just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whatsoever things are pure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whatsoever things are lovely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whatsoever things be of good report
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there be any virtue and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there be any praise
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ..think on these things.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=sNHs25qtAqI
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The religion of love is a part from all religions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The lovers of God have no religion but God alone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -The Mathnawi II, 1720
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 747
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is a strange frenzy in my head,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of birds flying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> each particle circulating on its own
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is the one i love everywhere
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Jalal'u'din Rumi (1207 – 1273)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fasgnadh's dad wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNbTC6xLVg0&feature=related
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The yearning for the Beloved is our deepest desire
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=AWPslGr34PY
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fasgnadh's dad wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The twin Pillars of Justice are Reward and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Punishment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But the glory of God is His Mercy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some people learn from their mistakes and mend
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their ways,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> others remain addicted to their vices..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just because you cannot see God does not mean you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cannot
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> receive his Love and Mercy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eK8Edl-Htg
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just Be in Love
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Forget all that cleverness,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just be in Love.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Forget all those pretences,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just be in Love.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let your Self open slowly into this sunlit field
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the forests will stand to attention before you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Receive each new gift in stillness and remembrance.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let all that weary narrowness fall away
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When you reach forth into Love,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even admonitions arrive sealed with a kiss.
--
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fasgnadh
leaders:
> four pillars, ten pillars, but nothing about twin pillars.
http://books.google.com.au/books/about/The_law_and_the_twin_pillars_of_justice.html?id=GPIvAQAAIAAJ&redir_esc=y
Give the computer back to your mummy and go sit in the corner
wearing the pointy hat with the bid "D" for delusional/dimwit on it.
Clearly you haven't reached the linguistic development stage
where you can grasp a metaphor:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/23174184@N07/2980330375/
> You're making this up.
No, the internet really exists,
you just need to learn how to drive it. ;-)
So, for the grown ups, the concept is simple:
Reward is when Neil uses his crayon to draw a right angled triangle and
calculate the length of the hypotenuse from the other two sides.
The Intrinsic reward is the development of spatial and mathematical
skills, and could be extrinsic if you give him a lolly and say "Good
Boy". B^]
and Punishment is when you take the crayon away from him when he
sticks it up his arse, and then proceeds to eat it.
And for the adults in the audience, this demonstrates not only
the twin pillars of Justice, but also illustrates the attribute of
Mercy.
Q.E.D.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But the glory of God is His Mercy.
orally and anally, changes the subject without rhyme or reason:
> I don't consider psychopathic mass torturers to be
> merciful or glorious.
So you oppose every atheist regime in history.. who doesn't?
But we are talking about Mercy, a quality completely unknown in any
atheist regime, so it's not surprising that modern atheists remain
ignorant of it and have NOTHING to say about it.
Why did you bother to post, other than to expose your ignorance on every
point?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some people learn from their mistakes and mend
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their ways,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> others remain addicted to their vices..
the bodies of the victims of atheist terror:
# From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
# Message-ID: <p8mrb5lvaf0cj5bp1...@4ax.com>
# Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:46:34 -0700
#
# We kill theists and shit down their throats
#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA
> That's no reason to torture anyone.
He's an atheist, he needs no reason and has no moral restraint.
Not satisfied with murder, Steve, the atheist communities
chosen leader/psychopath, favours GENOCIDE of every
Muslim man woman and child, just for believing in something
the Atheist thugs want to prohibit again, freedom of thought and belief;
# From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.religion.islam
# Subject: Re: Islam: the perfect religion and way of life for all
# Message-ID: <8t6ve5hs41qn3a2rv...@4ax.com>
# Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:58:18 -0800
#
# On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 21:22:32 +0200, "Katrina"
# <blondes_g...@yahoo.com> wrote:
#
# >Islam: the perfect religion and way of life for all
#
# It is the most foul, disgusting filth on Earth.
# The sooner we nuke you fuckers, the better.
#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just because you cannot see God does not mean you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cannot receive his Love and Mercy.
Mao, Chris 'Drill Chuck' Lee, Pol Pot..
> I don't want the love of a psychopathic torturer.
There aint no love or mercy in the atheist tyrannies, bucko! 8^o
> I think torturers should go to prison.
In the atheist regimes your attitude would have seen YOU in prison! 8^o
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just Be in Love
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Forget all that cleverness,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just be in Love.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Forget all those pretences,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just be in Love.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let your Self open slowly into this sunlit field
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the forests will stand to attention before you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Receive each new gift in stillness and remembrance.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let all that weary narrowness fall away
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When you reach forth into Love,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even admonitions arrive sealed with a kiss.
it's conformist sheep and manipulative atheist tyrant, and experience
endless terror torture and the death of over 80,000,000 people
http://phobos.ramapo.edu/~theed/Cold_War/d_Brezhnev_Era/c_1968/media/f_Wuhan/RedGuardsLow.jpg
The Cultural Devolution:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIrUHVFkm9A
Atheism's Artistic Zenith;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NT3QuesXgQw&feature=related
"Mao Zedong Thought is the sun that forever shines"
Out of his big fat arse!!! B^D
> I don't think that someone who worships a mass torturer and
> who is a member of an intergalactic torture ring is
> qualified to tell me what love is.
Sounds like some of you atheists are finally waking up and rejecting
the standard practice of atheist regimes in EVERY atheist state in history.
Clearly, it is a discredited hypothesis.
All the great and enduring civilisations, including every free open
progressive, secular democracy.. have been built and sustained
by majority religious societies. Not one has ever been developed
by atheists.. EVERY one of their states has been a totalitarian
cluster fuck!
Glad that at least one of you has finally turned your back on that
madness and walked into the light.
---------
The foremost atheist Philosopher of our age recently
launched his new book "Religion for Atheists" and
no atheists are interested in talking about it:
http://altatheismfaq.blogspot.com.au/
- Alain de Botton, Lanching his new Book, Religion for Atheists
The Wheeler Centre, Melbourne 19/3/2012
http://www.abc.net.au/tv/bigideas/stories/2012/03/19/3455152.htm
---------
Uirgil
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Nothing new, just the same old propaganda.
Alain de Botton, is a Swiss writer, philosopher, television
presenter entrepreneur and atheist... he has published bestselling
books including:
How Proust Can Change Your Life (1997)
The Consolations of Philosophy (2000)
The Art of Travel (2002)
Status Anxiety (2004)
The Architecture of Happiness (2006)
The Pleasures and Sorrows of Work (2009)
A Week at the Airport (2009)
Religion for Atheists: A Non-Believer's Guide to the Uses
of Religion (2012)
And his main thesis in that last book is that theist religions are no
longer of any social use, since all of their virtues are readily
available otherwise to modern societies, and are quite often already
incorporated into those societies, but without any of the usual theist
vices.
fasgnadh
>> Neil Kelsey publicly rejects atheist state tyranny and it's psychopathic
>> leaders:
>
Malcolm X rejected White supremacy, as a radical black man.
Do you think you would still reject God if you weren't an imaginary
psychopathic monster?
Are you receiving any treatment for your psychosis?
>> you just need to learn how to drive it. ;-)
>>
>> So, for the grown ups, the concept is simple:
>>
>> Reward is when Neil uses his crayon to draw a right angled triangle and
>> calculate the length of the hypotenuse from the other two sides.
>> The Intrinsic reward is the development of spatial and mathematical
>> skills, and could be extrinsic if you give him a lolly and say "Good
>> Boy". B^]
>>
>> and Punishment is when you take the crayon away from him when he
>> sticks it up his arse, and then proceeds to eat it.
>>
>> And for the adults in the audience, this demonstrates not only
>> the twin pillars of Justice, but also illustrates the attribute of
>> Mercy.
>
Nah is not an argument. Do you know what such an infantile response
demonstrates about you?
> It demonstrates the psychopathic mindset
You have already described your illness, and now seem to be repeating
yourself.
What are your symproms? Hallucinations? Paranoia?
Is there something you are deeply afraid of?
> of Christianity.
Any other symptoms? Delusions? Persecution complex?
> Nobody should be tortured for failing to find an obscure book in an internet search.
So you feel persecuted,, 'tortured' as you put it, because you
searched the internet and falsely claimed there were no references
to the twim pillars, and now feel humiliated because I found a couple
easily.
Look. don't feel bad, among your circle of atheists you are
not the slowest or most dimwitted, that would be Urgil and Olrik, and
even being a psychopath just makes you fit in with all the militant
atheists in BAAWA (Brutal Atheist Animals Without Agape):
# From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
# Message-ID: <p8mrb5lvaf0cj5bp1...@4ax.com>
# Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:46:34 -0700
#
# We kill theists and shit down their throats
#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA
the Atheist thugs want to prohibit again, freedom of thought and belief;
# From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.religion.islam
# Subject: Re: Islam: the perfect religion and way of life for all
# Message-ID: <8t6ve5hs41qn3a2rv...@4ax.com>
# Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:58:18 -0800
#
# On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 21:22:32 +0200, "Katrina"
# <blondes_g...@yahoo.com> wrote:
#
# >Islam: the perfect religion and way of life for all
#
# It is the most foul, disgusting filth on Earth.
# The sooner we nuke you fuckers, the better.
#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA
just a bumbling fool.
>> Q.E.D.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But the glory of God is His Mercy.
>>
>> Neil, possibly as a result of the toxic chemicals he ingested
>> orally and anally, changes the subject without rhyme or reason:
>
And I showed you are a clueless fuckwit by finding references
to the twin pillars with scarcely any effort at all.
>>> I don't consider psychopathic mass torturers to be
>>> merciful or glorious.
>>
>> So you oppose every atheist regime in history.. who doesn't?
>
What, now you don't oppose the psychopathic mass torturers who REALLY
Existed in every atheist regime??? Do make up your mind.
YOu are contradicting yourself constantly! B^p
> I oppose the God of the Bible,
So you believe the God of the Bible is real and you oppose
him for creating the Universe which contains the atheist
psychopaths who commit terror torture and mass murder because God gave
them freewill?
> who tortures most of humanity for all eternity.
Well as I don't share your delusion that anyone does that,
I would have to say 'I give up, I know atheist tyrants tortured
and Killed 80,000,000 people in just seven decades, but tell me
who you think id worse?
........................................... < - Place evidence here
If you have no evidence for your crazy sounding claim we will just have
to assume is part of your delusions and mental illness.
(like your inability to accept that the twin pillars exist and can
easily be found, (by normal people anyway! )
> That's neither merciful nor just.
I disagree, my assessment of your mental instability is based on
1. your behaviour (paranoid about some entity which you claim is
imaginary but terrifies you because you believe they are a psychopathic
killer)
2. your admission that you reject god, think, speak and act
'as an imaginary. psychopathic monster' (observation supports
that claim)
3. The atheist warlord warned us that many atheists have personal
issues:
# From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
# Message-ID: <p8mrb5lvaf0cj5bp1...@4ax.com>
# Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:46:34 -0700
#
4. Jung described your syndrome:
"Among all my patients in the second half of life, that is, over
thirty-five, there has not been one whose problem in the last
resort was not that of finding a religious outlook on life.
It is safe to say that every one of them fell ill because
he had lost that which the living religions of every age
have given their followers, and none of them has really
been healed who did not regain his religious outlook."
-Carl G. Jung Modern Man in Search of a Soul
>> But we are talking about Mercy, a quality completely unknown in any
>> atheist regime, so it's not surprising that modern atheists remain
>> ignorant of it and have NOTHING to say about it.
>
Another mood swing!
Just a moment ago, asked if you opposed the violent, merciless
atheist regimes that have killed over 80,000,000 people you casually
dismissed it with "No"
Now you backflip again!
So what do you have to say about the terror torture and mass murder
committed by those atheist regimes, IN THE REAL WORLD, not your
imaginary one:
> There's nothing merciful about torturing anybody for any length of time,
So we agree that the real atheists who tortured and killed over
80,000,000 real people were merciless bastards!
> yet your merciful God
Oh, I'm an agnostic, so your delusional fears and paranoia about
beings that possibly don't exist are of no interest to me..
save it for your shrink:
<snip irrelevant and unfounded paranoia.. I only deal with REALITY,
you should try doing so one day! >
>> Why did you bother to post, other than to expose your ignorance on every
>> point?
>
Clearly you are.. as I'm an agnoistic, and that exposes you as a
bare-faced liar.
Why do you project your fantasies onto other people?
> being an unmerciful psychopathic monster.
You should get some help for that.
Are you hearing any 'voices', or receiving 'messages' at the moment?
> * snip insane ranting *
Oh, If I did that there would be nothing left of your post! B^D
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some people learn from their mistakes and mend
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their ways,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> others remain addicted to their vices..
hate filled, psychopathic atheist Warlord...
and yet instead of repudiating that psychopathic monster,
you tried to hide the evidence of his clearly disturbed
persona.
I'm beginning to have serious doubts about your honesty,
it appears as lacking as your reason and sanity.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just because you cannot see God does not mean you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cannot receive his Love and Mercy.
>>
>> Traditionally Atheists make do with Lenin, Stalin, Steve Knight,
>> Mao, Chris 'Drill Chuck' Lee, Pol Pot..
>>
>>> I don't want the love of a psychopathic torturer.
>>
>> There aint no love or mercy in the atheist tyrannies, bucko! 8^o
>
Once again you IGNORE REALITY, for which there is evidence,
and live in a your fantasy world, which is delusional.
>
>>> I think torturers should go to prison.
>>
>
> In a secular democracy your God would be in prison.
Look, you are clearly unwell.. I live in a secular democracy,
(it was built, like all of them have been, by a MAJORITY RELIGIOUS
society, no atheist state has ever produced a decent democracy)
and I am fairly sure, because it would have made the news, that
there is no Prison with God in it.
Now, have a Bex and lie down till the men in white coats come
and fit you with your nice new straitjacket, you are clearly unhinged.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just Be in Love
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Forget all that cleverness,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just be in Love.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Forget all those pretences,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just be in Love.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let your Self open slowly into this sunlit field
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the forests will stand to attention before you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Receive each new gift in stillness and remembrance.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let all that weary narrowness fall away
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When you reach forth into Love,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even admonitions arrive sealed with a kiss.
>>
>>
>> Or, you can follow the historical pattern of every atheist regime with
>> it's conformist sheep and manipulative atheist tyrant, and experience
>> endless terror torture and the death of over 80,000,000 people
>
Thanks for warning me of the nature of your next psychotic break:
> I can also live in a secular democracy
all of which have been created by majority religious societies,
NOT ONE has ever been built by an atheist regime.. and when we
see the insanity of those totalitarian atheist tyrannies,
and your own clearly disturbed mind, we can see why.
Q.E.D.
Is there anything more you would like to rant about?
Pretending I am a theist? projecting your deluisional state onto
others:
> in which you are free to worship
Everyone is, just as we are free to not worship,
as we rational agnostics and you delusional atheists are,
thanks to the theists who evolved these secular democratic states....
But what is this ongoing OBSESSION you neurotically cling to
about
> whichever imaginary psychopath you want,
YOU are the only one in this thread obsessing about your 'imaginary
psychopathic terror' I have never shared your delusional paranoid
fixation.
The only psychopaths I have discussed are the REAL ATHEIST ones for
which I have presented historical EVIDENCE and verbatim quotes for!
> and I get to mock you.
Mocking me for opposing REAL psychopaths while you wave your arms
hysterically and faff on endlessly about IMAGINARY ones simply
confirms what a clueless lunatic you are!
B^]
> http://phobos.ramapo.edu/~theed/Cold_War/d_Brezhnev_Era/c_1968/media/f_Wuhan/RedGuardsLow.jpg
>>
>> The Cultural Devolution:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIrUHVFkm9A
>>
>> Atheism's Artistic Zenith;
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NT3QuesXgQw&feature=related
>>
>> "Mao Zedong Thought is the sun that forever shines"
>>
>> Out of his big fat arse!!! B^D
>>
>>> I don't think that someone who worships a mass torturer and
>>> who is a member of an intergalactic torture ring is
>>> qualified to tell me what love is.
>>
>> Sounds like some of you atheists are finally waking up and rejecting
>> the standard practice of atheist regimes in EVERY atheist state in history.
>
So you aren't aware that the second largest economic power on the
planet is run by The Chinese Communist Party:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_China
Wow, are you so out of it because of the anti-psychotic drugs
they are pumping into you or have you been in a coma for two decades?
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAA
And you think you have something to mock ME about!? B^D
'scuse me while I piss myself laughing
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAA
> Move on.
I can't this is hilarious.
Your couldn't operate Google and find a simple reference to the
twin pillars of Justice, you don't know that China is ruled by the
Communist party, you are completely ignorant of the history of atheist
tyranny, you are neurotically obsessed with imaginary terrors
that exist only in YOUR MIND, AND you seem to believe that agnostics
share your belief in God, who you are convinced is a psychopathic
monster who is terrifying you!
> I was referring to your God.
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA
Mate, you are madder than a sack of cut snakes!!!!
B^D What a fucking RIOT! B^D B^D
Listen, don't run off and hide in the new atheist sheltered
workshop with all the other weak gutless atheist cowards,
stay here and keep (inadvertently) making the world laugh!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA (at you! ;-)
>> Clearly, it is a discredited hypothesis.
>>
>> All the great and enduring civilisations, including every free open
>> progressive, secular democracy.. have been built and sustained
>> by majority religious societies.
>
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA
Did someone tell you to say that!?
Secular democracies, you dimwitted atheist twonk have ALL
been evolved by MAJORITY RELIGIOUS societies!
Not ONE has ever been developed by atheist states.
EVERY atheist state has been a TOTALITARIAN TYRANNY
and a catastrophic cluster fuck!
Stop CHERRY PICKING the data like EVERY DISHONEST LYING
ATHEIST SHITPIG IN USENET and face the FULL RANGE OF
EVIDENCE that atheism is a CONSISTENT FAILURE,
but that theist societies have built ALL of the great
and enduring civilisations of the past and all of the
secular democracies of the modern era.
YOU PATHETIC DELUDED DISHONEST LIARS SIMPLY DON'T RATE! B^]
>> Not one has ever been developed
>> by atheists.. EVERY one of their states has been a totalitarian
>> cluster fuck!
and try to insert just one more PATHETIC ATTEMPT at SPIN:
> I hear China is currently purchasing the US bit by bit.
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA
The Communists that you just told us don't exist!?
"Dude. Communism is dead" - BackflipBoi
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA
You are the biggest idiot I've met since Urgil and Olrik! B^D
> They're godless commies, aren't they?
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA
Listen, when you, if you, ever get your mind back, and can
make it up, come back and make us laugh some more!
Oh, for the adults and sane folk; the atheist terror, torture
and mass murder of Mao's Great Leap Backward and Cultural Devolution
has been over for DECADES. In 1982 China abandoned it's militant
atheist persecution of religion, reformed it's constitution
to allow greater freedom of THOUGHT and BELIEF and, ..surprise surprise,
the famine, terror, torture and death of over 40,000,000 people
subsided, the nation began to prosper, has an explosive growth in new
believers, over 300,000,000 and is a now a global superpower!
It's still a Communist One Party State, but no longer an Atheist regime,
in fact, the Chinese Communist Party Officials now PRAISE RELIGION:
> Back here in the real world,
Where the country that is growing in religious faith is, according to
you, taking over the USA, where faith is declining!!?!!!
WTF!? .. How do you explain THAT ....*DUDE*!!! B^D
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA
Perhaps you should stick to talking only about
your imaginary psychopathic friend! B^D
Right at this moment.. are you denying the Chinese Communist
Party exists or insisting they own the USA? B^D
You haven't presented a single fact in this whole thread..
All you do is IGNORE the evidence and rant, projecting your
obsession with your imaginary psychopath friend onto every issue.
This is just one more aspect of reality you are IGNORANT of and simply
CAN'T DEAL WITH:
"With the gradual liberalisation that developed with
Deng Xiaoping's open door reforms, religion was no
longer proscribed. In 1982, the constitution was
amended to allow Chinese people considerable freedom
of religion."
http://cbbc.org/china_guide/religion.html
"At the first world Buddhism forum in East China's Zhejiang
Province last year, the Chinese government acknowledged
the active role religion plays in building a harmonious society."
"For example, religious beliefs have helped cut down crime
to a large extent,"
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2007-02/07/content_802994.htm
"religion has been enjoying a resurgence in China over the
past 20 years, as Communist Party disapproval has eased"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6337627.stm
"Religious believers thrice the estimate
By Wu Jiao (China Daily)
"A survey has found that the number of religious believers
is three times bigger than the official estimate.
The poll of about 4,500 people, conducted by professors Tong
Shijun and Liu Zhongyu of Shanghai-based East China Normal
University from 2005 till recently, found that 31.4 percent
of Chinese aged 16 and above or about 300 million are religious."
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2007-02/07/content_802994.htm
Incredible! in just a few short years the new converts from
atheism In JUST ONE COUNTRY, far outnumber the slow increase
in tiny atheist numbers in the rest of the WORLD! B^D
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAA
> every theocracy has been a totalitarian cluster fuck,
> Christian theocracies included.
Sure. so what?
*Every* free, open, progressive, tolerant SECULAR democracy
has been built by majority religious societies.
So the most advanced states are all the work of theist
societies, but *ALL* of the atheist states and a few of the
backward theocracies are stuck in the past.
Your point is? That atheist states in the 20th century
were more brutal that theocracies of the medieval past and
killed far more people than ANY religion?
That all the atheist states except North Korea are DEFUNCT, and
it can't even feed it's people!!!!
Fer fucks sake, pull your head out of your arse and TAKE STOCK OF REALITY!
You are just another sad atheist ignoramus.
> * snipped crackpot ramblings *
Run and hide from the truth..
you are done like a dinner, lightweight! B^]
Uirgil
> Do you think you would still reject God if you weren't an imaginary
> psychopathic monster?
But all versions of gods are equally bereft of any objective physical
evidence supporting their alleged existence.
dolf
be held by one.
"But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for
they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they
are spiritually discerned. But he that is spiritual judgeth all things,
yet he himself is judged of no man. For who hath known the mind of the
Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ." [1
Corinthians 2:14-16 (KJV)]
Not even dogs marry except in China.
Telos [122J3W1D] = Arch [3W1D] + c² [9(9²+1)/2]
If the circumference of the circle is PI (or rational PI), what then is
the centre?
Well Yes, it will bring about the global collapse of the Catholic Church
On 27/05/12 7:40 AM, Uirgil wrote:
> In article<R17wr.7302$v14....@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>,
>
>> The foremost atheist Philosopher of our age recently
>> launched his new book "Religion for Atheists" and
>
> presenter entrepreneur and atheist... he has published bestselling
> books including:
>
>
> How Proust Can Change Your Life (1997)
> The Consolations of Philosophy (2000)
> The Art of Travel (2002)
> Status Anxiety (2004)
> The Architecture of Happiness (2006)
> The Pleasures and Sorrows of Work (2009)
> A Week at the Airport (2009)
> Religion for Atheists: A Non-Believer's Guide to the Uses
> of Religion (2012)
>
> And his main thesis in that last book is that theist religions are no
> longer of any social use, since all of their virtues are readily
> into those societies, but without any of those theist vices.
How should we the Free, Celebrate this the Queen's Jubilee?
We are not free and endure human rights abuses from catholic dogs.
"We have Jesus on the cross
Your cold love put him there.
What is now your human loss?
Forever gone and despair."
What gives BroilJAB (Design...@wmconnect.com) away is his unusual
capacity as a claimed atheist, to call the Pontiff holy when he is in
fact perverse.
It would appear that once again, we have mongrel catholic dogs engaged
in public campaigns of disinformation and vilification of the truth,
which diminishes our human rights.
dolf: “Wasn’t the Pope recently asked on: ‘Creationists need [for a]
Catholic vision’?”
BroilJAB (Design...@wmconnect.com): “Lets hope the Holy Pontiff
sets many creationists back on the right path.”
Vurgil or Uirgit? (vur...@arg.erg / uir...@uirgil.ur): “It would be a
great improvement.”
dolf: “He knows Greedy!”
BroilJAB (Design...@wmconnect.com): “From what I understand.”
Vurgil or Uirgit? (vur...@arg.erg / uir...@uirgil.ur): “Which is nothing!”
dolf: “Is it painful? Very soon being Roman Catholic will be prima
facie proof of guilt in claims of crimes against the dignity of the
'Sovereign Autonomy' made under the Commonwealth of Australia.”
#20 / .jackNote@zen: 5, row: 3, col: 3, nous: 7 [Super: #397 / #46 -
Guiding Contentment, Moderation of Desire; I-Ching: H1 - Creative
Principle/Heaven; Tetra: 37 - Purity, Ego: #403 / #7 - Intentional
Reversal, Dimming Radiance; I-Ching: H12 - Stagnation; Tetra: 56 -
Closed Mouth] {Transforming Nature {DOUBLE: Form of Nature {Autonomous
Nature}}}
In relation to this notion of The Decade is the meaning of Yom Kippur as
a ritual of nullification held over a 10 day period commencing a new
Moon on 18 September 2001 (as my particular interest for synchronising
the centre of the Grapple Temporal / Noumenal Reality for a 5 day period
being #41 on 13 September 2001 as a centrifugal model comprising septet
#369 magic squares with the solar / lunar chronological cycle and
rational representation of PI / ENNEAD) and the Dead Sea Scroll
chronological principle which is a cosmological straight line--hence
transcendent--in having a starting point on the Equinox of Wednesday 20
March 1996 with a new Moon on Thursday 21 March for a base 7 Numbering
system intrinsic to the cosmogony as rational representation of PI.
In that for 3 x 364 days = 1092 days there was a lunar/solar comparison
of 3 x 354 lunar years + 30 days = 1092 days. There are in a cycle of 5
x 364 days + 182 days (as a 1/2 cycle) two fragments in the Dead Sea
Scroll relics related to the 1st day of the 7th solar month as occurring
on 12 September 2001 and the 21st priestly course starting on Sunday 16
September 2001 which fragment also brings together an association of the
solar and lunar cycles which appear to have been a readily observable
phenomenon.
In that this has according to the Dead Sea Scrolls, a reprise in a 294 x
364 day years as 6 Jubilees or 293 x 365.2423 days (just short of the
tropical years, but technologically better than the Julian calendar of
365.25 days instigated in 45 BCE and reformed in 1582 CE (1751 CE in
British Empire) by the Gregorian calendar reforms due to an
intercalation error resulting in a lost of synchronicity comprising a
magnitude loss of one day every 128 years. This forms the basis for
arguing a metaphysical and cosmological origin of language as 22
elements of the Hebrew letters which is otherwise shown geometrically as
an indestructible object (atom) in the association of the 10 as Decade
(as Greek and Ennead as Egyptian notions) and counts (number) and the 22
letters as 3 horizontal (Mother letters), 7 vertical lines (Double
letters) and 12 diagonal lines (Single letters):
Kabbalistic Tree of Life
ATZILUTH {1st as “World of Emanation” also known as Olam Atzilut, עולם
אצילות in Hebrew}
BRIYAH {2nd as “World of Creation” also known as Olam Briyah, עולם בריאה
in Hebrew}
YETZIRAH {3rd as “World of Formation” also known as Olam Yetsirah, עולם
יצירה in Hebrew}
ASSIYAH {4th as “World of Action” also known as Olam Asiyah, עולם עשיה
in Hebrew}
- http://www.grapple369.com/index_files/tree.gif
- http://www.grapple369.com/index_files/yetziratic_wheel.png
This is Chaldean / Babylonian in Origins: Hebrew letters as described in
the “Sefer Yetzirah”
YETZIRAH as in “Making" is as opposed to BRIYAH as in "Creating"
Actually taking whatever matter that was created in the BRIYAH and
shaping it into the basic elements.
It is also possible to divide the number of days in 400 years in the
Gregorian calendar reforms as 146,097 days by 7 and that when made
divisible by 22 to obtain the remainder, and to arrange the Hebrew
letters in a pattern which has a remainder of #13 as being in the middle
of the Chinese 2 BCE published DAO TE CHING / I CHING division of the
year into 364.5 days and the Jewish Kabbalah equivalent which deployed a
magic square of #369 having a distinct mathematical property at centre
of #41 for the equivalent date of 13 September.
#0 MOD 22 = 22 [#TAU / #400] as 4000 BCE
#400 MOD 22 = 17 [#PE / #80]
#800 MOD 22 = 12 [#LAMED / #30]
#1200 MOD 22 = 7 [#ZAYIN / #7]
#1600 MOD 22 = 2 [#BETH / #2]
#2000 MOD 22 = 19 [#QOPH / #100]
#2400 MOD 22 = 14 [#NUN / #50]
#2800 MOD 22 = 9 [#TETH / #9]
#3200 MOD 22 = 4 [#DALETH / #4]
#3600 MOD 22 = 21 [#SHIN / #300]
#4000 MOD 22 = 16 [#'AYIN / #70] = #0 CE as HETEROS (MALE/FEMALE
MARRIAGE -- WHAT IS SIN & WICKEDNESS?) autonomic transformative
prototype and symbolic associator to the series #15 CE, #34 CE, #65 CE,
#111 CE, #175 CE, #260 CE, #369 CE ... #2000 Y2K
#4400 MOD 22 = 11 [#KAF / #20] = #400 CE
#4800 MOD 22 = 6 [#VAV / #6] = #800 CE
#5200 MOD 22 = 1 [#ALEPH / #1] = #1200 CE
#5600 MOD 22 = 18 [#TSADE / #90] = #1600 CE
#6000 MOD 22 = 13 [#MEM / #40] = #2000 Y2K / Equinox of DATE(1996,3,20)
+ (5 * 364) + 182 days = Wednesday DATE(2001,9,12) with Equinox of
Saturday DATE(2001,9,23) commencing the Sabbath year of 'oth cycle
- http://www.grapple369.com/index_files/toth9.gif
#6400 MOD 22 = 8 [#CHET / #8]
#6800 MOD 22 = 3 [#GIMEL / #3]
#7200 MOD 22 = 20 [#RESH / #200]
#7600 MOD 22 = 15 [#SAMEK / #60]
#8000 MOD 22 = 10 [#YOD / #10]
#8400 MOD 22 = 5 [#HE / #5]
#8800 MOD 22 = 22 [#TAU / #400] as 8800 CE
In many instances, the Torah also uses words and phrases in ways that
cannot be understood in their literal sense. There are a number of very
obvious examples of this in the narrative of the Creation, for the
metaphysical events that took place at that time were far removed from
the natural order of the world we know today. They could not have been
accurately described in ways that we can understand, nor in language
that we can relate to. For example, the Torah tells us how God brought
the world into being through speech, when in fact He created the world
through a form of thought. When the Torah describes God's thought
process as speech, it makes it easier for us to grasp the idea on our
own level. [Copyright © 2001 by Rabbi Daniel Travis and www.Torah.org]
dolf: “Fascist Dogs BroilJAB & Uergil discuss their creation denial!”
BroilJAB (Design...@wmconnect.com): “The deviant creationists twist
and turn, twist the words of the faithful.
Sad it is to see them like this.”
Uergil (Uer...@uer.net): “If there is any damnation, it is the nation
creationists inhabit.”
dolf: “Vurgil or Uirgit? (vur...@arg.erg / uir...@uirgil.ur)
Or is it now Uergil?
Creationist denial has its roots in German political theatre.
Numerological and mystic speculation was especially rife amongst German
Romantics and Naturphilosophien during the nineteenth century and grew
out of ancient teleological speculations concerning the harmonious
distribution of the heavenly bodies. Such speculation was by no means
confined to the celestial motions; in 1818 the Kantian mineralogist
Christian Weiss even argues for a link between aspects of
rhombic-dodecahedral crystal structure and the musical scale of tones!
However, such flights of imaginative fancy generally had little impact
upon the work of serious scientists; with one notable exception.
In 1766 Johann Daniel Titius von Wittenberg was preparing a German
translation of Charles Bonnet’s Contemplation de la Nature. To the
section on planetary motions he added a now famous footnote pointing out
that the radii of all the planetary orbits can be generated by the
following simple algorithm, where r is measured in astronomical units (1
AU = 1.496 x 1013 cm):
rn = 0.4 + 0.3 x 2n; n = 0,1,2…
This formula provided a striking approximation for the distance from the
Sun to the six then-known planets: Mercury {Measured: 0.39, Predicted:
0.4}, Venus {Measured: 0.72, Predicted: 0.7}, Earth {Measured: 1.00,
Predicted: 1.0}, Mars {Measured: 1.52, Predicted: 1.6}, Jupiter
{Measured: 5.20, Predicted: 5.2}, Saturn {Measured: 9.55, Predicted:
10.0}. Their measured distances from the Sun at the time of the Law’s
inception are indicated together with Titius’ predictions. [Rediscovery
of the Anthropic Principle, John Barrow & Frank Tipler, The Anthropic
Cosmological Principle, © 1996, p 221]
There is no more opportunity for repentance--and neither for forgiveness.
To hell with you!”
#21 / .jackNote@zen: 5, row: 3, col: 7, nous: 67 [Super: #313 / #24 -
Important Distinctions, Trouble from Indulgence; I-Ching: H5 - Delay;
Tetra: 18 - Waiting, Ego: #462 / #67 - Three Treasures; I-Ching: H10 -
Tread Carefully; Tetra: 48 - Ritual] {Autonomous Nature {MOTHER: Scales
of Liability}}
dolf
embraced Dawkin's even more enthusiastic endorsement of atheist Gods he
claims ‘came into being’ (sic).
From his book launch he conceded: "A few years ago it struck me that
there is a resource that is a provider of Wisdom, and consolation, and
an ethical framework, and it's rather fascinating and has dominated the
mental landscape of human beings for thousands of years I'm thinking, of
course, of religion.”
The problem is according to Australia's most celebrated atheist Phillip
Adams, who in “The Atheist Delusion”, warns militant atheists against
misplaced arrogance and hubris.
It is Martin Heidegger (1889-1976) who was perhaps the greatest
philosopher of the 20th century and we are challenged to comprehend how
he could have been a life-long Nazi. [McCumber 1999:1] From his
inception in 1927 with his magnum opus: “Being and Time” he clearly
established himself as a foremost and important philosopher, but later
betrayed his philosophical contributions and finished up until his death
in 1976 as a contemptible apologist, first for Nazism and later for himself.
That his work on “Being and Time”, for all its achievements, is no
innocent piece of philosophy. Although some have argued that it may not
have directly encouraged Nazism, it clearly leaves Heidegger open to
such an accusation. For in “Being and Time”, intelligibility is subject
to the world: I can understand nothing that is not within the horizons
of my world. Escape from this world is achievable not through critical
reason but only in a mute and mystified “resolve”. [McCumber 1999:3]
Yet for much of the Western world, the difficulty of Heidegger's thought
was for many years held to be almost insuperable in the medium of a
foreign language, especially English. That this opinion is no longer so
widely held can be seen both from the rapidly increasing number of
translations of Heidegger's works and from the interest of a growing
readership. There are signs moreover, that as a preeminent thinker of
our age, Heidegger may be of interest to many who do not claim to have a
wide knowledge of traditional metaphysics or whose concern with him may
not be primarily philosophical at all.
Such readers have a certain advantage in bringing an open mind to a new
problem, but they also have special difficulties in grappling with
Heidegger. [King 2001:xviii]
However as Gadamer (1976) suggests when the layman wonders what
philosophy really is, he has the idea that philosophising means
defining, and taking responsibility for the need to define, the concepts
in which all men think as homo[ios] sapien[tal]. Since as a rule we do
not see this happen, we have helped ourselves by means of a doctrine of
implicit definition.
In reality, however, such a “doctrine” is a mere verbalism as is the
neologism starting with the German word: Dasein--which is not another
name for ‘consciousness’, ’subject’, or ‘human being’. Heidegger
introduces a vocabulary that challenges the reader [Stambaugh
2010:xviii]. To say nothing of the Hebrew word: Dashen {(#4 - Daleth;
#300 - Shin; #50 - Nun = #354 / #390 as H1878) specifically to anoint;
figuratively to satisfy; denominatively (from H1880 ) to remove (fat)
ashes (of sacrifices):—accept, anoint, take away the (receive) ashes
(from), make (wax) fat}. For to call a definition implicit obviously
means one finally comes to notice, on the basis of a number of sentences
that someone has spoken. And he or she was thinking something
unambiguous by means of using a concept. In this respect, philosophers
are no different from other men, for other men too are in the habit of
thinking definite things and avoiding contradictions. The lay opinion
appealed to here is in fact dominated by the doctrine that universals or
general ideas are mere names without any corresponding reality as
nominalistic tradition of recent centuries, in considering linguistic
reproduction as a kind of application of signs. It is obvious that
artificial signs need an organisation and arrangement that excludes any
ambiguity. Thus the demand arises that the illusionary problems of
“metaphysics” must be unmasked by establishing the univocal use of
language. [Gadamer 1971:125-126]
In his scheme to refresh philosophy, Heidegger, like Hegel (1770-1831),
draws upon the earthy roots of his language and dialect. So a promising
way of achieving this refreshment would be the exercise of translating
“Being and Time” into the Anglo-Saxon language. Or perhaps into the
Welsh or Gaelic idioms. Or for that matter, into Hebrew with its
association to the earliest Semitic tongue and most probable origin of
language. [King 2001:xv]
How then did Heidegger's publication in 1927 of “Being and Time”, and in
1929 with his provocative book on Kant's “Critique of Pure Reason” in
his treatise on “Kant and the Problem of Metaphysics” or his 1939
lectures: “On the Essence of Language: The Metaphysics of Language and
Essencing of the Word” in relation to the German Lutheran theologian and
philosopher Johann Herder's 1772 treatise: “On the Origin of Language”,
lead to the German Reich policy on the genocidal annihilation and
nullification of Judaism as the absence of being? Herder (1744-1803) was
the progenitor of the volkgeist (“Spirit of the people”) conception and
had advanced a cultural superiority by the injunction: “Spew out the
ugly slime of the Seine. Speak German, O You German.” Yet whilst he
supported the French Revolution (1789–1799), his anti-authoritarianism,
anti-militarism, and borderless humanitarianism values would generally
have caused him to find the subsequent acts of political domination, war
and empire which make up the vast bulk of these “great” deeds and events
of history as not just morally unedifying, but morally repugnant.
[Stanford Encyclopaedia of Philosophy 2007]
Heidegger was struggling to distance his thought from the prevailing
neo-Kantian tendency in German philosophical circles of the time, and
this resulted in a highly original interpretation of Kant (1724-1804).
From the standpoint of the development of Heidegger’s own endeavour,
his book: “Kant and the Problem of Metaphysics” is of pivotal importance
because it takes up and extends a number of themes suggested in “Being
and Time”, in particular the problem of how Heidegger proposed to enact
his “destruction” of the metaphysical tradition and of what role his
reading of Kant would play in that project. It’s this problematic about
Kant’s Categories as it relates to Being in traditional metaphysics and
the phenomenon of time which accounts for what some have called the
“violence” of Heidegger’s interpretation as even he unequivocally
acknowledged in the preface to his 1950 edition. [Taft 1997:xii, xx]
Nous: #20
Time:
Date: 2012.11.7
Torah: #5 #1 #1 %81 = #7
Dao: Left without Language, Different From the Vulgar
Tetra: #50 - Vastness/Wasting
I-Ching: H33 - Withdrawal
Latin: Auxiliator {Hidden God} Alt: Yaliel {Thankful of God's Presence} {
1. PROTECTS ALL THOSE WHO SEEK THE TRUE LIGHT
2. PEACE TREATIES
3. DIPLOMACY & AMBASSADORS
4. Aphruimis
}
Ram {Elevated; sublime}
- http://www.grapple369.com/grapple.html?zen:5,row:6,col:7
Heidegger asks, “What is the human being?” If I speak, so therefore I
am. It is through and in the being, human language comes into being and
vice versa; in the coming into being of language the human being “is”
the human being. [Gregory 2004:87] How then was any one of Jewish
descent considered as less than human after the 7 November 1938
assassination of Ernst vom Rath, the third Secretary of the German
Embassy in Paris by his reputed 17yo homosexual companion, a German born
Polish Jew named Herschel Grynszpan. As the impetus for Kristallnacht
within days following and the beginning of the Final Solution as
Holocaust--Where was God? I do not desire to participate in the attitude
of silence as others have promulgated to this very time, and neither do
I consider subterfuge in the use of language as the only applicable and
acceptable answer to such questions: “Vous êtes sur un site francophone.
Yez la politesse et la correction de vous exprimer en français.”
This then relates to a little anecdote about my activities as timely
actions over the siege in Toulouse, France on 21-23 March 2012 in
relation to the earlier massacre of three paratroopers (ethnic and
muslim), school children and a Jewish Rabbi by an Islamic extremist.
Whilst enjoying a walk, I made some appraisals of the most probable
cause of the event before it was disclosed as public news. In that the
7 murders which occurred as terrorist activity were in part being
attributed to abuses as starvation of Palestinian children due to an
inability by the menfolk to pursue their livelihoods because of a
confiscation of their tools of trade at border crossings in Israel. And
as a consequence of my comments, as actions of goodwill and regard to
European friends, I found my words as ideas (unity of being, dignity and
discrimination by the State versus the animalistic behaviour of the
perpetrators) being uttered from the mouths of the French President
Nicolas Sarkozy and a Jewish Rabbi in Israel which were subsequently
reported on the news.
In querying the political motive of UNICEF workers in the street (Sale,
Victoria) that same day, I remarked that not even Kofi Annan would be
able to take the “King” of Syria (President Bashar al-Assad) out of my
hands--and indeed that is so today as Russia, China and America are all
indebted to my intellectual property associated to governance.
There was in response to my calculated statements as provocations made
towards the Republic of France (on alt.France) in their time of great
need, an attempt by some person (René Groumal) without any remorse or
apology, to falsely and slanderously characterise my public Internet
statements as being fascist or neo-nazi. I am categorically neither.
The source of my ideology as autonomic doctrines of unity, co-operation,
freedom and democracy are not derived from Adolf Hitler. But that my
prophet is Moses and therefore I am not anti-Semitic.
- http://www.grapple369.com/Being_files/angel-clock.jpg

Governance (religion), angels and time, set in stone: Angel Solar Watch
(replica) 1582 CE Chartres Cathedral, France
anthropo- (comb. form)
human; of a human being: anthropometry.
• relating to humankind: anthropology. ORIGIN from Greek anthrōpos
‘human being.’
anthropic principle (noun)
the cosmological principle that theories of the universe are constrained
by the necessity to allow human existence
ORIGIN 1970s: anthropic from Greek anthrōpikos, from anthrōpos ‘human
being.’
In its ‘weak’ form the anthropic principle affirms that a universe in
which living observers cannot exist is inherently unobservable. ‘Strong’
forms take this line of reasoning further, seeking to explain features
of the universe as being so because they are necessary for human existence.
On 27/05/12 7:40 AM, Uirgil wrote:
> In article<R17wr.7302$v14....@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>,
> fasgnadh<fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> launched his new book "Religion for Atheists" and
>
fasgnadh
> On 26/05/2012 11:52 PM, fasgnadh wrote:> Neil Kelsey has a few 'roos loose in his top paddock: ;-)
>>>> Neil Kelsey publicly rejects atheist state tyranny and it's psychopathic
>>>> leaders:
>>>
>>> Neil Kelsey is an atheist and rejects God as an imaginary.
>>> psychopathic monster.
>>
>> Malcolm X rejected White supremacy, as a radical black man.
>>
>> Do you think you would still reject God if you weren't an imaginary
>> psychopathic monster?
>
So you imagine God is a psychopathic monster, yet, illogically,
you believe he is real enough to do things in the world: ? B^p
> He tortures people,
You don't make any sense! BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAAAAA
> I don't.
>> and now seem to be repeating yourself.
>
>
>
>> What are your symptoms? Hallucinations? Paranoia?
>
> symproms of psychopathy are many, including paranoia and torture.
and poor spelling. B^)
>> Is there something you are deeply afraid of?
>>
>>> of Christianity.
>>
>> Any other symptoms? Delusions? Persecution complex?
>
Describe them:
> God seems to have a persecution complex.
So you believe the 'God' you don't believe in has a persecution
complex... (as well as "torturing people").
> I don't think he is deluded
Do you think YOU might be, claiming "God is this.." And "God Does that"
while simultaneously claiming
> that he doesn't exist and all
You don't seem to have ANY capacity for LOGIC or reason!
> but his followers sure seem to
compared to you a fence post has more logical reason! B^D
How does that make you feel?
> have a persecution complex.
It may not be completely delusional, normal people do dislike atheists;
# Atheists Identified as America’s Most Distrusted Minority"
# - American Sociological Association, ASA NEWS
#
# "A survey by sociologists at the University of Minnesota
# found that atheists are “America’s most distrusted minority.”
#
# "From a telephone sampling of more than 2,000 households,
# university researchers found that Americans rate atheists
# below Muslims, recent immigrants, gays and lesbians and
# other minority groups in “sharing their vision of
# American society.”
#
# Atheists are also the minority group most Americans are
# least willing to allow their children to marry.
#
# Even though atheists are few in number, not formally
# organized and relatively hard to publicly identify,
# they are seen as a threat to the American way of life
# by a large portion of the American public.
#
# Many of the study’s respondents associated atheism with
# an array of moral indiscretions ranging from criminal
# behavior to rampant materialism and cultural elitism.
#
# Edgell believes a fear of moral decline and resulting
# social disorder is behind the findings.
# “Americans believe they share more than rules and
# procedures with their fellow citizens—they share an
# understanding of right and wrong,” she said. “Our
# findings seem to rest on a view of atheists as
# self-interested individuals who are not concerned
# with the common good.”
#
# The study is co-authored by assistant professor
# Joseph Gerteis and associate professor Doug Hartmann.
# It’s the first in a series of national studies conducted
# the American Mosaic Project, a three-year project funded
# by the Minneapolis-based David Edelstein Family Foundation
# that looks at race, religion and cultural diversity in
# the contemporary United States."
>>> Nobody should be tortured for failing to find an obscure book in an
>>> internet search.
>>
>> So you feel persecuted,
>
>
>> ,'tortured' as you put it, because you
>> easily.
>
> I should have crayons stuck up my ass for not finding your
> book on a Google search.
A simple apology for being such a clueless fuckwit would suffice,
but if that's what turns you on, borrow one of Steve'Knight's crayons.
> I feel threatened because you threatened me with torture.
Now you seem to be confusing me with your delusion about God! B^D
> God is a figment of your imagination.
But you're the one who claims God "tortures most of humanity
for all eternity", not me! B^D
What sad, confused language are you speaking?
> paranoid gibberish
and your major delusion is?
> a magical invisible psychopath
and you believe this imaginary entity "tortures most
of humanity for all eternity"?
> without any valid evidence that he exists
Do you realise that makes you sound completely insane?
> so
so you should seek treatment.
>>>>> I don't consider psychopathic mass torturers to be
>>>>> merciful or glorious.
>>>>
>>>> So you oppose every atheist regime in history.. who doesn't?
>>>
>>> No,
>>
>> What, now you don't oppose the psychopathic mass torturers who REALLY
>> Existed in every atheist regime??? Do make up your mind.
>>
>
> I think that ship sailed a while ago.
>>> I oppose the God of the Bible,
>>
>> So you believe the God of the Bible is real and you oppose
>> him for creating the Universe which contains the atheist
>> psychopaths who commit terror torture and mass murder because God gave
>> them freewill?
>
True, your delusion that an entity you don't believe in
tortures people is not dependent on the truth or falsehood
of any other proposition.
> other people believe he is real.
Other people believe the moon is made of cheese, to simply
follow them, without any evidence, is the mark of a moronic,
easily led sheep.
>>> who tortures most of humanity for all eternity.
>>
>> Well as I don't share your delusion that anyone does that,
>> I would have to say 'I give up, I know atheist tyrants tortured
>> and Killed 80,000,000 people in just seven decades, but tell me
>>
>> ........................................... < - Place evidence here
that your fantasy is a delusion, one your mind has fabricated to
AVOID the reality of the REAL mass murderers.. the atheist regimes!
> I think they're both awful.
But one is DEMONSTRABLY REAL, the historical evidence showing the
atheist holocausts killed millions ACTUALLY EXISTS!!!! 8^o
Your claim that a God you don't believe is real committed equivalent
crimes against humanity is SIMPLY INSANE!
>> If you have no evidence for your crazy sounding claim
>
You claim X does not exist, but X "tortures most of humanity
for all eternity"
> It says right in the Bible that God tortures people for eternity.
So your evidence of these imaginary crimes is a book you claim to
know is false!?
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAAAAA
> inability to read for comprehension does not make me deluded
> or mentally ill
Basing your belief that the God you deny exists is responsible for
crimes as real and extensive as the atheist tyrannies on your inability
to comprehend certainly makes you deluded AND mentally ill.
> Sounds about right.
as I said;
>> we will just have
>> to assume is part of your delusions and mental illness.
>> (like your inability to accept that the twin pillars exist and can
>> easily be found, (by normal people anyway! )
>
> you can't tell what I'm talking about
Sure, go ahead, it's just more evidence of your mental disorder.
>>> That's neither merciful nor just.
>>
>> I disagree, my assessment of your mental instability is based on
>> 1. your behaviour (paranoid about some entity which you claim is
>> imaginary but terrifies you because you believe they are a psychopathic
>> killer)
>
>
Another atheist lightweight capitulates, snips and RUNS AWAY from the TRUTH:
> <snip>
>> for failing to find an obscure book on a Google search again
>
>
>> > That's neither merciful nor just.
>>
>> for as long as I can remember so I'm probably not
>> qualified to tell what "mercy" is.
>>
>> 2. I think I'll spout some more incomprehensible gibberish
>> so I can browbeat you for not understanding it.
> You're boring me.
>
> * snip remainder of your deranged rambling *
>
--
When it was revealed that alt.atheism.moderated.by.bigots.and.trolls
was declining in it's daily traffic, Mike Lenin from Pravda
Propaganda set about to "FIX" it: B^D
# From: Mike Lovell <dev....@b0h0.com>
# Subject: The atheism is faith based destruction question
# Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2012 22:24:25 -0500
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism.moderated,alt.atheism
# Followup-To: alt.atheism.moderated
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
# From: Mike Lovell <dev....@b0h0.com>
# Subject: AA: What happens after you die
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism.moderated,alt.atheism
# Followup-To: alt.atheism.moderated
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
atheist parasites SIPHON your posts! B^D
Immortalist
it, either in the afterlife or while still alive. In many religions,
entrance to Heaven is conditional on having lived a "good
life" (within the terms of the spiritual system) or "accepting God
into your heart." A notable exception to this is the 'sola fide'
belief of many mainstream Protestant Christians, which teaches that
one does not have to live a perfectly "good life," but that one must
accept (believe and put faith in) Jesus Christ as one's saviour, and
then Jesus Christ will assume the guilt of one's sins; believers are
believed to be forgiven regardless of any good or bad "works" they
have participated in. Catholic Christians too speak of heaven as
unattainable by even heroic human effort and having been "opened" by
the death and resurrection of Jesus. [4] They see heaven as promised
by God as a reward for good works made possible only by his grace,
while "the works of the flesh" exclude from heaven. [6] A contrary
view is that of Christian Universalism, which holds that, because of
divine love and mercy all will ultimately be reconciled to God.
Dispensationalists hold that, in an event called the Rapture,
Christians will be suddenly removed from earth before or during the
Great Tribulation. They base this belief on 1 Thessalonians 4:17 who
are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the
clouds to meet the Lord in the air".
Many religions state that those who do not go to heaven will go to
another place, hell, which is eternal in religions such as
Christianity. Some religions uphold the belief that other forms of
afterlife exist in addition to heaven and hell, such as purgatory,
though many hells, such as Naraka, serve as purgatories themselves.
Some belief systems contain universalism, the belief that everyone
will go to heaven eventually, no matter what they have done or
believed on earth. Some forms of Christianity, and other religions
believe hell to be the termination of the soul. Some Christian
denominations believe in an Intermediate state between death and the
Resurrection of the Dead.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o
Uergil
> > I'm not an imaginary psychopathic monster. God is.
>
> So you imagine God is a psychopathic monster, yet, illogically,
> you believe he is real enough to do things in the world: ? B^p
>
> > He tortures people,
>
> You don't make any sense!
ALL pain and misery and death and disaster.
So those who imagine that there is god imagine an imaginary psychopathic
monster.
I prefer to doubt that there is any real psychopathic monster behind all
that ill imagination.
--
"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less
remote from the- truth who believes nothing than
he who believes what is wrong.
Thomas Jefferson
fasgnadh
> On Monday, 9 July 2012 17:40:14 UTC-7, fasgnadh's dad wrote:
>
>> Dear atheist sadsacks, you are breaking my heart..
>>
>> it's time you learned to lighten the fuck up!
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjKFb-4t_vg
>>
>> Everyday, life is THIS GOOD!
>
> Not if I have to listen to lameass music like that...
Dang, I told dad it was a waste of time to cast pearls of joy
before the professionally MISERABLE! B^D
You sad bastards will ALWAYS find something to whine about!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAA
It's like your endless anti-theism, you're endless anti-life
has a simple solution.. MOVE ON, do something else,
get a girlfriend, sit in the sunshine, THAW YOUR FROZEN HEART OUT!
stop whining about what gives others pleasure, no one forces you to
listen, just as no one forces you to be joyful.. it's a choice..
Atheists are like spiritual Black Holes, you suck all the positive
energy from the room..
"They live in darkness, as it seems to me
"They are not just in darkness, but they love darkness rather than light.."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their ways,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> others remain addicted to their vices..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cannot
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> receive his Love and Mercy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just Be in Love
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Forget all that cleverness,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just be in Love.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Forget all those pretences,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just be in Love.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let your Self open slowly into this sunlit field
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the forests will stand to attention before
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Receive each new gift in stillness and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remembrance.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let all that weary narrowness fall away
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When you reach forth into Love,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even admonitions arrive sealed with a kiss.
fasgnadh's dad
> On Monday, 9 July 2012 17:40:14 UTC-7, fasgnadh's dad wrote:
>
>> Dear atheist sadsacks, you are breaking my heart..
>>
>> it's time you learned to lighten the fuck up!
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjKFb-4t_vg
>>
>> Everyday, life is THIS GOOD!
>
> Not if I have to listen to lameass music like that...
Your sister is a sweet young thing, ..she understands fun.
Virgil
fasgnadh's dad <fasgna...@peace.com> wrote:
> Ba 10/07/2012 10:52 NZ, Arvy Xryfrl jebgr:
> > Ba Zbaqnl, 9 Whyl 2012 17:40:14 HGP-7, snftanqu'f qnq jebgr:
> >
Theist liars keep claiming that atheists claim that no gods exist, but
that is false.
What atheists actually say is merely that they lack faith that any gods
exist.
And as atheism makes no claims about whether any gods actually do or do
not exist, it has no need of proof.
On the other hand, those theists who claim that their gods do exist
are each claiming something that presupposes objective
physical evidence, but for which they can provide absolutely none of
that needed objective physical evidence.
To reprise: Lack of belief in the existence of something, as in atheism,
is only problematic when there is a plentiful supply of objective
physical evidence that that thing actually exists. Which is NOT the case
with anything that atheists fail to believe in.
Presence of belief in the existence of something, as in theism, is only
problematic when there is a total lack of objective physical evidence
that that thing actually exists. Which IS the case with most of what
theists claim to believe in.
Alain de Botton, is a Swiss writer, philosopher, television
presenter entrepreneur and atheist... he has published bestselling
books including:
How Proust Can Change Your Life (1997)
The Consolations of Philosophy (2000)
The Art of Travel (2002)
Status Anxiety (2004)
The Architecture of Happiness (2006)
The Pleasures and Sorrows of Work (2009)
A Week at the Airport (2009)
Religion for Atheists: A Non-Believer's Guide to the Uses
of Religion (2012)
And his main thesis in that last book is that theist religions are no
longer of any social use, since all of their virtues are readily
available to modern societies, and are quite often already incorporated
into those societies, but without any of those theist vices.
Virgil
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote:
695 lines of fasgnadh the furious's fatuous fulminations fwown out.
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