What happened to Democrats in USA anyway?
tooly
espoused American values, albiet with a liberal bent. What happened
to the days of JFK, who was profoundly ANTI-LABOR, for reasons of
corruption and political subtrafuge at the big union's top
eschelons.
Whatever happened to the days when Democrats understood that tax cuts
were the best way for job creation?
And whatever happened to the days the Democrats stood arm-in-arm with
Republicans 'against' communist mindsets that promised to beguile an
unsuspecting worker population of false promises of socialism for
reasons of overturning established ways of life.
Some social welfare has always been supported by Americans; for
reasons of prevent ONLY abject misery. But never has 'socialism' been
supported OUTRIGHT.
Not until now; not until Obama.
So, what happened anyway? Did Democrats allow to many disparate
Mexicano's in with porous borders that now, 'socialism' becomes the
taint of mind swell for a new majority...NOT American?
And what of this rise of real, bonafide marxist/socialist mindsets in
our midst; in our national media, at tops of new organizations like
Emerald Cities, Greenpeace, Sierra Club, ACORN, Appollo group, Tides
Foundation, and Turner Industries...
What happened; how did we allow this to take root in our once
profoundly FREE MARKET society, enscounced solidly in the belief of
FREEDOM at all costs. It was our national birthright; won by blood
and guts...
So, what happened to the Democrats anyway? To become the now 'anti-
American', anti-european, anti-western civilization party of the
enemy.
Ah...but...who would argue the 'enemy' when that same one time 'enemy'
has sabotaged it's way to established itself as 'part of the
community'. Thusly, the Grand March through our institutions?
Bret Cahill
> were the best way for job creation?
The high tax Clinton economic boom enlightened independends' as well
as Democrats' minds thereby slam dunking the Party of Gipster so far
down on the ash heap of history Karl Rove very astutely resorted to
jingoism.
Next question?
Bret Cahill
Day Brown
> Once upon a time, Democrats were a solid American party.
Will Rogers:"I'm not a member of an organized political party. I'm a
Democrat."
> They
> espoused American values, albiet with a liberal bent.
Democrat gov. George Wallace:"Segregation now, segregation forever."
Desegregation and civil rights began under REPUBLICAN president Eisenhower.
> What happened
> to the days of JFK, who was profoundly ANTI-LABOR, for reasons of
> corruption and political subtrafuge at the big union's top
> eschelons.
JFK was trying to break up CORRUPT unions for the benefit of union members.
He SUPPORTED the AFL/CIO and the union movement in general.
> Whatever happened to the days when Democrats understood that tax cuts
> were the best way for job creation?
Taxes on the rich were much higher during JFK's term than now.
>
> And whatever happened to the days the Democrats stood arm-in-arm with
> Republicans 'against' communist mindsets that promised to beguile an
> unsuspecting worker population of false promises of socialism for
> reasons of overturning established ways of life.
You dunno about McCarthy either?
Be that as it may, it is the growing power of women that is over turning
established ways of life. Young women now make more money than young
men, and therefore no longer see marriage as an economically viable
institution. Bloomberg.com reports 30% of the upscale professional men
they survey have not sired any kids by the age of 40. This is the cohort
of men who can most afford it.
It is CAPITALISM that is at fault. Transnationals and corporate media
give lip service to marriage, but they make more money off the women
they employ. To increase the dependence of those women, they destroy
marriages by moving people around and firing husbands. This makes the
women on the payroll even more desperate to keep the job, and thus work
for even less money. Which increases corporate profits.
So- behind your back, while you were not looking, focused instead on the
political party legislation, they got the courts to:
1- a wife can charge a husband with rape.
2- if she has sex and gets pregnant, she can abort without his consent.
3- if she has the kid, he hasta support it. Even if the DNA aint his.
4- But even if it is, she can take the kids and move far away, in with a
stud muffin with a sex abuse record. He still hasta support them.
The dyke who outlined this said she'd never marry anyone stupid enuf to
make a deal like this. The GOP "defense of marriage act" is a farce.
Tim Golden BandTech.com
So long as you stand by a two party system then the confusion is sure
to prevail as the two parties shuffle around for enough support. Any
who proudly owns their membership in either party as permanent, rather
than their attachment to an idea as permanent, are participating in a
fraud.
The two party system is just one party away from a one party system.
I'm not into political parties in general, so that all of the
formalization seems nonsensical, but then if these parties were to
evolve into existence what are they exactly? Is it like they are just
two ships whose members thought that they got on board the winning
ship and they just keep going bump in the night?
The republican ship cannot hold its present course any longer. In
comes the 'tea party' to upset the ship, and yes, they seem authentic.
They've made statements in support of limiting DOD spending. Here is
one of those ideas rather than parties that gets my craw. Ron Paul
seems not to get any respect; sort of the Kucinich of the republicans.
Why doesn't Kucinich do the same and start up a subparty based on pure
frustration with the federal government? This is clearly the
mainstream opinion. But we don't just need new subparties; we need a
new system. Just look at the level of discussion that goes on in
political circles and it becomes clear that the system is retarded.
Scalar principles deserve discussion in their pure form, and this
discussion seems impossible under the current system. It's all about
the fed fed fed... Aren't we all fed up? Imagine if this became the
global form: very scary.
Then again, I'm fed up enough to just turn away from it, and attempt
to minimize my bond with it. Sit back, watch it unfold, and enjoy the
show; however it comes out in the next moment it will come out
different in the next moment. Without Bush we wouldn't have Obama.
Obama has been cryptic with the public. If only they'd take the muzzle
off of his wife we might hear some truth. Then again, perhaps the CIA
has them drugged. This of all things would be the most plausible
explanation of the idiocy in American politics.
- Tim
tooly
wrote:
>
> - Show quoted text -
There is a political inertia in the two party system that makes it
almost impossible to create a third party movement, for it always goes
against the interests of one of the major parties, often throwing
elections toward an opposition that are opposite to the intent of such
a third party. Ergo, Perot threw election to Clinton and democrats
away from Daddy Bush [while Perot himself more conservative], and
Ralph Nadar's Greenies probably threw the election to Bush away from
Gore, while Nadar himself very liberal, etc.
Tea Partyer's understood this and have resisted becoming a party
movement. A good example of what could have happened nation-wide was
the Christine ODonnel fiasco in Delaware last November ["I am not a
witch"...ha, one the most egregious political sound bytes that will go
down in history; LOL]...where Tea Party backing insured the
'opposition' a win [and secured Senate majority for Democrats].
So, there is 'Political Reality' and the question of 'electability'
where principle and idealism MUST be put aside for pragmatic
comprimise. Thusly is the absurdity of politics...often seeming to be
nothing but a parade of empty promises, and windbag politicians who
stand for nothing [except getting elected].
But it remains, you have to get elected to DO ANYTHING in a
democracy. Otherwise, you sit at home and watch other's have power
and control.
Baby steps. NO...not even baby steps, but more like snail creep; It
looks like that is all we get to achieve; in an ongoing relentless
bullgoat lock of horns with 'the other guys' across the aisle.
But then, sometimes a perfect storm arises and an Obama is elected
along with a Democratic congress...and wala...a nation can be brought
to it's knees to the edge of ruin. [one man's transformation is after
all, another man's long standing Republic's ruin].
No one likes the 'game'...but what can you do? One thing we do NOT
want is a Saul Alinsky methodology that tries to 'manipulate' the
public through disengenious TRICKS that are designed to pull the wool
over their eyes and 'clog' process. Critical theory anyone?
tooly
There is a lot of truth to what you write here MR. Brown. Women are
close to the 'source'...the POWER behind the movements going on [at
least in America today]. But I argue there is an even deeper layer
behind the scenes that is stirring the emotions of women to become
politically activated. Women, as I see it, are very impressionable.
They have to date, been sold a 'bill of goods' that allows them to
become vehicle of destruction of everything wholesome and good and
decent...bit by bit, slowly...in a new 'recourse' programmed into
their brains that evokes images of their own 'self empowerment'.
But realize to do that, first they have to be sold on the idea of
their 'weakness'...which they never were to begin with. Their POWER
is just being redirected for political design to undermine a way of
life, that once was very very good in the world.
Jonathan
"tooly" <rd...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> Once upon a time, Democrats were a solid American party. They
> espoused American values, albiet with a liberal bent. What happened
> to the days of JFK, who was profoundly ANTI-LABOR, for reasons of
> corruption and political subtrafuge at the big union's top
> eschelons.
>
> Whatever happened to the days when Democrats understood that tax cuts
> were the best way for job creation?
Both sides appreciate that concept. The battle is in who
gets the tax cuts. In Florida, our tea-party governor wants
all corporate taxes ended. Hardly a 'bipartisan' distribution.
It appears the wealthy get all the reductions in taxes.
While the middle class get's nothing but cuts to pay for it.
By comparison President Obama has been a moderate.
I would agree, though, the Health Care Bill went a step
too far in the mandates. HOWEVER, mandatory coverage
was included at the insistence of the Big Pharmas and
Big Health Care orgs. To enlarge the pool as much as
possible, to ..engross their profits as much as possible.
It was the right wing which forced mandates into the Bill.
>
> And whatever happened to the days the Democrats stood arm-in-arm with
> Republicans 'against' communist mindsets that promised to beguile an
> unsuspecting worker population of false promises of socialism for
> reasons of overturning established ways of life.
>
> Some social welfare has always been supported by Americans; for
> reasons of prevent ONLY abject misery. But never has 'socialism' been
> supported OUTRIGHT.
>
> Not until now; not until Obama.
Hardly! Badly over-due Heath Care reform
is hardly a swing to socialism. This country
has been tilted right for most of it's history.
>
> So, what happened anyway?
What happened? I'll tell you...
George Bush left Obama two unfinished and difficult wars.
The largest meltdown of the home loan industry ever. The
largest stock market crash...ever. The deepest recession ever.
The highest unemployment rate in decades. The largest
deficit EVER.
All ...left behind for President Obama to clean up.
THAT'S what the democratic party has
been doing for the last couple of years.
And do the democrats get any help at all from the other side
in cleaning up these monstrous problems?
NO! We get nothing but an attitude of "my way or the highway"
from the republicans.
Completely unwilling to compromise. Attacking only
what the left wants the most, just out of spite.
> Did Democrats allow to many disparate
> Mexicano's in with porous borders
George W. Bush opened the borders to Mexico
his first year with his effusive praise of immigrant
labor. He was from Texas after all. Illegal immigration
skyrocketed under Bush, and only started declining ..last year.
Illegal immigrants in the US increased by 40% during
George Bush's term.
http://www.aolnews.com/2010/09/02/report-illegal-immigration-at-lowest-level-in-2-decades/
>that now, 'socialism' becomes the
> taint of mind swell for a new majority...NOT American?
>
> And what of this rise of real, bonafide marxist/socialist mindsets in
> our midst; in our national media, at tops of new organizations like
> Emerald Cities, Greenpeace, Sierra Club, ACORN, Appollo group, Tides
> Foundation, and Turner Industries...
Extremists make up around 25% of both sides of the aisle.
God help us if either extreme takes over. The republicans
are displaying extreme views right now, not the democrats.
>
> What happened; how did we allow this to take root in our once
> profoundly FREE MARKET society, enscounced solidly in the belief of
> FREEDOM at all costs. It was our national birthright; won by blood
> and guts...
>
> So, what happened to the Democrats anyway? To become the now 'anti-
> American', anti-european, anti-western civilization party of the
> enemy.
>
> Ah...but...who would argue the 'enemy' when that same one time 'enemy'
> has sabotaged it's way to established itself as 'part of the
> community'. Thusly, the Grand March through our institutions?
So far President Obama has acted in a thoughtful and professional
manner. It was the distinct ..lack..of government oversight
and professional regulation that allowed the mortgage crisis
and stock market crash to happen. The pendulum had swung
far to the right, too little government, and created a world-wide
....depression. One of the largest, and sadly unnecessary, economic
downturns in history. Born of incompetence and corruption.
And all you want to do is smash the government up as much
as possible. Are you nuts? Do you not learn from history.
Jonathan
s
Day Brown
> There is a lot of truth to what you write here MR. Brown. Women are
> close to the 'source'...the POWER behind the movements going on [at
> least in America today]. But I argue there is an even deeper layer
> behind the scenes that is stirring the emotions of women to become
> politically activated. Women, as I see it, are very impressionable.
> They have to date, been sold a 'bill of goods' that allows them to
> become vehicle of destruction of everything wholesome and good and
> decent...bit by bit, slowly...in a new 'recourse' programmed into
> their brains that evokes images of their own 'self empowerment'.
>
> But realize to do that, first they have to be sold on the idea of
> their 'weakness'...which they never were to begin with. Their POWER
> is just being redirected for political design to undermine a way of
> life, that once was very very good in the world.
very obscure, there are some few examples, like 5th century Kucha, in
what is now NW China, at a Taklamakhan oasis. It was the pre-eminent
Silk Road city. Like the mythic "Emerald City", green, but from Jade,
which is what the Chinese bought with the gold they got for selling
silk. Remember the "Magi from the East"? This is that East.
Tyrannically run by a line of Gautamid queens. But the brothels were
owned by the city, so she was also a 'madam'. And the money from the
brothels supported her govt without taxes. Patriarchy drafts young men
into armies, matriarchy drafts young women into brothels. There have
always been two ways to control men: violence or sex.
pick one. They used the latter. Niya was abandoned in the 5th century
when the river dried up. The desert is so dry, and the place abandoned
so rapidly, letters left in Silk Road shipping offices survived. They
ran the world's first transnational free market, but each office was
also a commune with the profits plowed into providing the best for the
kids rather than supporting a harem for the CEO.
We see letters from one office to the other arranging for the boys to
get laid when they arrive cause the moms, who run the offices, dont want
them coming back with STDs from fucking cheap whores.
Looking at the Tocharian language, all the important resources and
assets have feminine suffixes. The men own very little, but they are
getting laid so they dont fucking care. They NEVER hear, "not tonite
dear, I have a headache." He can also go see Alice. He mite need viagra
for an old wife, but not for Alice's 14 year olds.
Outside of the largely formal Queen and foreign policy, the offices are
all in free market competition with each other and unregulated. They
setup long distance networks with consensus driving policy. The cost of
labor is trivial, but guys dont care- they get laid by many different
women every month.
If there already were women run businesses doing this, they've no reason
to tell you unless they need your services. Which they dont.
Shrikeback
There's no reason to get paranoid. Anyway,
the terrorist wing of the Democratic Party
was the KKK back when the KKK had more than
the twelve old fart members it has now.
Perhaps you really are pining for the old
Democratic Party.
Unfortunately, Nixon and McGovern broke up
the old FDR racist coalition while giving
up the Republican's libertarian soul. If
there is hope in the Tea Party, it is
precisely in regaining the classical
liberal soul of the GOP.
And we have Pelosi and Obama to thank for
that. Welcome to the twenty-first century,
the only clean century in town.
Tim Golden BandTech.com
> "tooly" <rd...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>
> news:4c65551a-143a-4ec7...@b13g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Once upon a time, Democrats were a solid American party. They
> > espoused American values, albiet with a liberal bent. What happened
> > to the days of JFK, who was profoundly ANTI-LABOR, for reasons of
> > corruption and political subtrafuge at the big union's top
> > eschelons.
>
> > Whatever happened to the days when Democrats understood that tax cuts
> > were the best way for job creation?
>
> Both sides appreciate that concept. The battle is in who
> gets the tax cuts. In Florida, our tea-party governor wants
> all corporate taxes ended. Hardly a 'bipartisan' distribution.
> It appears the wealthy get all the reductions in taxes.
> While the middle class get's nothing but cuts to pay for it.
>
> By comparison President Obama has been a moderate.
> I would agree, though, the Health Care Bill went a step
> too far in the mandates. HOWEVER, mandatory coverage
> was included at the insistence of the Big Pharmas and
> Big Health Care orgs. To enlarge the pool as much as
> possible, to ..engross their profits as much as possible.
>
> It was the right wing which forced mandates into the Bill.
Nice post Jonathan. The pendulum is ready for a new mode; not another
swing. Obama has been given the opportunity and it appears that he
will just ooch it for another swing rather than seize the moment. I
will continue to vote for the more radical presidential candidate,
whether republican based or democrat based, or preferably third party
based.
I'm tired of one dimensional thinking, and this is all that a two
party system has to offer. It's oversimplified and it is disproving
itself. Beyond that the scalar issues that leave the big organization
swallowing up freedoms that could be emulated by diversity amongst the
smaller suborganizations (the states). Evidence: the federal supreme
court rules that what I grow in my back yard is its business under
interstate commerce interests. Every blade of grass even must be its
business. This absurdity along with the absurdity of a corporation
owning genes that can spread into my heirloom crops... It may be
anecdotal, but this is not the right method. The USFG needs to be
depowered, and it is being, though not voluntarily. This is just one
vector here and there are others. It's time to put down the big bat
and burn the secret lists, because if they get exposed, who knows, the
whole midddle east could break out into peace, and that would make us
look bad. So I wonder, is it just another swing...
- Tim
> George Bush's term.http://www.aolnews.com/2010/09/02/report-illegal-immigration-at-lowes...
Day Brown
As to why- turns out, you cant raise kids on sugar cereals, junk food,
and soda, and expect them to mature into a rational electorate. Maybe
you are rational anyway, but you see most arent so lucky.
Telling that the Amish, who still raise kids on family farm food, dont
have nearly the rate of ADD, ADHD, autism, or whatever. There's a reason
too why half the Green Berets grew up on family farms. Thats just 1% of
the population providing 50% of the nation's most competent troops.
You'd think the Pentagon would notice.
So- as you say, something is wrong with both parties; Freud said
neurotics cant tolerate ambiguity, so what we see are zealots on one
side or the other.
Tim Golden BandTech.com
I think you are overlooking the cultural aspects, which could still
emerge even if nutrition is optimized. We see across the globe and
over time numerous cultures and in time a tendency to conglomerate;
now achieving the continental level. Yes, alright, the British nearly
achieved the totalitarian model from their small island, and now
little brother Sam, uncle to us, is pulling strings another way, but
this too is a failure. Sam's culture is why the system is so poorly
behaved. There are numerous vectors, but the fundamental identity of
capitalism which is ownership by the few to democracy which is
ownership by the many is not likely to hold up. I guess you could
apply an economic dynamical system model here, and see that the
capitalist agenda has peaked. What does this do for a country that
actually applies this principle first over democracy in the rest of
the world? Justice for all... It's not just a pledge. When this
happens we Americans will be found guilty. The punishment will not be
so soft as some think. Thinking about living under a rock...
The American dream...
Wake Up !
- Tim
Day Brown
> I think you are overlooking the cultural aspects, which could still
> emerge even if nutrition is optimized. We see across the globe and
> over time numerous cultures and in time a tendency to conglomerate;
> now achieving the continental level. Yes, alright, the British nearly
> achieved the totalitarian model from their small island, and now
> little brother Sam, uncle to us, is pulling strings another way, but
> this too is a failure. Sam's culture is why the system is so poorly
> behaved. There are numerous vectors, but the fundamental identity of
> capitalism which is ownership by the few to democracy which is
> ownership by the many is not likely to hold up. I guess you could
> apply an economic dynamical system model here, and see that the
> capitalist agenda has peaked. What does this do for a country that
> actually applies this principle first over democracy in the rest of
> the world? Justice for all... It's not just a pledge. When this
> happens we Americans will be found guilty. The punishment will not be
> so soft as some think. Thinking about living under a rock...
different sets of parents, with different values, cosmologies, and
economics, who nonetheless can easily be matched up at maturity testing
personality profile and intelligence... supports a powerful genetic
effect. Not that there cannot also be the cultural power you refer to.
But over time, genetics wins. There is an instructive, but very obscure,
example in the chacolithic agrarian communities of SE Europe. From 8000
to 4000 BC, witches ran agrarian villages and setup a free trade zone
from the salt mines at Hallstaat and Salzburg all the way down the
Danube to the world's first plank hulled fishing fleet run by the
Cucuteni. Who left us no evidence of warfare with the Petresti, Vinca,
Dimini, or any other.
We are at the end of 5000 years of rule by the warrior elites. The brave
heart, strong right arm, sword in hand... no longer cuts it, and women
are taking over again. They will naturally pay attention to the
nutrition, and use the resources now spent by alpha males on status
symbols to maximize childhood development & education.
DNA shows Native Europeans evolved in agrarian villages of 150-300 over
the course of the last 10,000 years. Gies, Life in a Medieval Village
shows us what it was like during most of those millennia. Even tho the
village may have been nominally owned by a lord, after paying the taxes-
usually so many bushels of wheat, they were left to their own devices.
(Gies calculates the man hours spent on the tax was a third of what
people now pay the IRS.)
But each village provided its own social safety net; many specialized-
tannery, pottery, foundry... and negotiated with other villages, but at
what we'd call a wholesale level in a capitalistic free market. Villages
looked a lot like limited partnerships, sub chapter S. The cost of
management was low, and on average, 25 manhours/week met the cost of
living. Which is pretty much the way things are for the Musuo of SW
China, where everything is owned by the grandmothers and they all live
in communal houses.
After puberty, you get a room, not a house, so the per capita carbon
footprint is sustainable.
Tim Golden BandTech.com
There are some important details here I think.
I have not spent a lot of time in central america, but I did witness
that the people of one region were best known for one type of good,
such as blankets in Momostenango, Guatamala. It seems that the trade
influence is already present in these cultures, since otherwise there
would be more need of a diversity of skills at the local level. It may
be true that that does still exist, but that as a tourist it is not so
accessible.
Anyhow, here in the states we seem to believe that capitalism is
entrepreneurship and that our country somehow founded this behavior.
This is entirely false, and if anything we see more raw
entrepreneurship in the third world countries, regardless of what
economic systems their central governments foist. Capitalism is
defined as ownership of the means of production by a few, and so long
as this is the true means of capitalism then obviously most of us
should have a problem with it. Yeah, we're free to attempt to outdo
the big guy, but economy of scale means it can only happen rarely.
Sadly, the economy of scale yields a poor quality of life by reducing
the jobs to hamburger flipping, which may as well be done by a
machine. Given that each human spends one third of their life working
then this is substantial. Yes, we are materially wealthy, but our
skills are going downhill according to this analysis. To what degree
the quantity of skills that an individual has is a measure of his
quality of life: yes, I do see it this way. We are in a Jetsonian
society, as in meet George Jetson; Jane his wife... his boy Elroy...
Here I am pushing buttons, but fortunately I do work on some other
things too.
I am not saying that I am a greatly skilled person, but that to go in
that direction is wise, and to do so toward diversity and away from
the hamburger flipper level of economy. Machines can do that. By this
awareness the employment scene will not be looking up ever again, so
long as there is energy to keep machines running. This likewise
dictates that a socialist future awaits us, for these unemployed will
require allowances in order to consume produced goods; that or the
goods will be distributed for free.
Please do be critical of these claims. I see it as an open problem,
and some say we are not there yet, but there is no discrete criterion
or threshold; it is on a continuum. Soon a burger machine kiosk will
be replace McDonalds, and nobody will have to wonder is someone spit
on their burger, nor that they are supporting a human hamburger
flipper society.
- Tim
Day Brown
Aristotle, Politics:"For if every implement obeyed or anticipated the
will of others, like the statues of Daedalus [robots] or the tripods of
Hephaestus... which entered the assembly of the gods [to illuminate], or
the shuttle to weave or the plectrum to play the lyre- then foremen
would not need laborers nor masters slaves."
So what do we now do with them besides let them play video games? Its
the one thing they readily learn to do, whereas the skill sets still
needed are beyond their ability- especially obvious given the decline in
academic performance.
http://www.daybrown.org/farmath/farmath.htm is a scan of an 1885 corn
belt one room country school house 8th grade math book. Lotsa high
school grads today could not hack it. But one reason it worked for them,
seen in the problems, like how many potatoes to plant, how long it took
a team to plow an acre, or how many mittens can be knitted from a 4"
ball of yarn, is that the kids could see the application of the math in
their own lives.
Why teach long division when every kids knows a calculator can do it
faster and more reliably accurately? In college, I had the choice to
take either calculus or assembly language. I chose the latter, and
within weeks found students coming to me with calculus problems I
quickly solved with software. Yet they still teach calculus despite the
fact an employer would fire anyone trying to it with a pencil.
One of the reasons Amish schools still work is those kids can see the
real application of what they study. But another reason is those kids
are still raised on family farm food like the above 8th grade math book,
and not raised on sugar cereals, junkfood, and soda. Which dont have the
trace minerals to maximize mental development.
This is also partly what happened to the Democrats. The voters are not
as rational from growing up on diets designed to maximize corporate
profits and agribusiness tonnage.
Gies, "Life in a Medieval Village" show us entrepreneurship- villages
were tanneries, foundries, grain mills, potteries, or as you note above,
into weaving. And trading with each other, but doing so at a wholesale
level, where say the whole village got a year's supply of flour for
year's supply leather. All of them trading with regional cities unless
war or pestilence interfered.
But each of them also had 2000 acres of orchard, woodlots, gardens,
pastures, cropland... to get by on until trade picked up again. The
modern corporate culture calls this 'vertical integration'. This is not
inefficient 'cottage industry' but at the more organized small business
level which economists say is the most efficient. Part of the reason is
the much lower cost of management.
Somewhere between Agribusiness and the Amish model is a system using
home grown alternative energy.For instance, Sorghum can be fermented to
produce 100-120 gallons of alcohol/acre. But a tractor only needs 5/acre
to work the land. You can do it with draft horses to like the Amish, but
each horse also needs 5 acres of pasture and depending on the winter,
more for hay. The carbon footprint of the right size tractor is less
than that of the same horsepower.
And whereas agribusiness feeds 100 for each farmer, its not sufficient
in real nutrition. The kind of crop rotation real farmers used had
plants that brought up trace minerals from the subsoil; and while such a
farmer can only feed 25 instead of 100, they are healthier, including
the farmer himself who needs the exercise.
Some of us descend from 10,000 years of agrarian village life, and while
it is somewhat more physically demanding than modern urban life, its no
more so than the same amount of effort at gym's treadmill. There are
psychological benefits of doing something productive with your effort,
and sociological advantage doing it with peers. Then too, kids can see
this kind of work and understand the payoff- wholesome food.
Other ancient sages knew wholesome food and the exercise tending a
garden were necessary to maximize mental function. They also knew how
the cities, which didnt balance the work, corrupted. There is a way to
combine the physical and emotional benefits of agrarian village life
with modern technologies twards a sustainable system.
Tim Golden BandTech.com
I've got to read more of this old stuff; Socrates too. What comes
about as one practices with tools is the realization that it is all
technology, whether high tech or low tech, and that the tools matter,
but our minds can be stimulated very much by creating our own tools
rather than running to the hardware store to but the tool. We are tool
makers and we should resume that practice.
>
> So what do we now do with them besides let them play video games? Its
> the one thing they readily learn to do, whereas the skill sets still
> needed are beyond their ability- especially obvious given the decline in
> academic performance.
Yes, and even regardless of academic performance how many Americans
have dull knives in their kitchens and have no idea how to sharpen
them.
That's anecdotal, but when the human behavior defaults to replacing
the defective by a purchase when there was nothing wrong with the
original then I would mark this as a poor state of behavior. The lost
technology is clearly in the interest of the producers of knives, yet
one who truly cares about knives would care to encourage their
sharpening. This is roughly a blueprint for the downfall of
capitalism, and we are here.
>
> http://www.daybrown.org/farmath/farmath.htmis a scan of an 1885 corn
> belt one room country school house 8th grade math book. Lotsa high
> school grads today could not hack it. But one reason it worked for them,
> seen in the problems, like how many potatoes to plant, how long it took
> a team to plow an acre, or how many mittens can be knitted from a 4"
> ball of yarn, is that the kids could see the application of the math in
> their own lives.
Yes, I remember reviewing your farm math back in time. As a toolmaker
I can tell you also that even a highly skilled technician might be
quite lean on math under an experimental paradigm. This is to say that
one can have tremendous mastery of technical nuance without the
mathematics. I've come to have a deeper respect for this level of
understanding over the academic. This is sort of the graphical
solution, and the number of answers that crop up here can be quite
large from an accidental learning paradigm. I guess my point is that
underlying the mastery of numbers is another layer that is far more
interesting and stimulating. We've accumulated so much technology that
to get back to this level of toolmaker is seen as impractical, but
that does not reduce its value on a per individual basis.
>
> Why teach long division when every kids knows a calculator can do it
> faster and more reliably accurately? In college, I had the choice to
> take either calculus or assembly language. I chose the latter, and
> within weeks found students coming to me with calculus problems I
> quickly solved with software. Yet they still teach calculus despite the
> fact an employer would fire anyone trying to it with a pencil.
Ha ha. I've done a bit of assembly language, but never seriously
programmed in it. Still, I do see assembler in C; the stack, pointers,
and registers and so forth. C++ is blurring that translation, but its
mostly still there.
This is fascinating. I had no idea. Still, by the time you factor in
the carbon to produce the tractor and the tools that built the tractor
I suspect this imbalance could be upset. I use handtools and can
barely feed one person. I do experiment with the handtools, and have
found that a forked stick can be an effective agricultural tool. A
small sapling with the right fork will roughly match the power of a
man as a plough tool.
>
> And whereas agribusiness feeds 100 for each farmer, its not sufficient
> in real nutrition. The kind of crop rotation real farmers used had
> plants that brought up trace minerals from the subsoil; and while such a
> farmer can only feed 25 instead of 100, they are healthier, including
> the farmer himself who needs the exercise.
>
> Some of us descend from 10,000 years of agrarian village life, and while
> it is somewhat more physically demanding than modern urban life, its no
> more so than the same amount of effort at gym's treadmill. There are
> psychological benefits of doing something productive with your effort,
> and sociological advantage doing it with peers. Then too, kids can see
> this kind of work and understand the payoff- wholesome food.
Yeah. Meanwhile we pine for the ways of the native american and drewel
over the cultures in Europe who still maintain some of their local
flavors. That we could actually live those ways seems to most to be
beyond reality, but we can. We've just been subsumed by economy of
scale, but it is imploding. Implode may be a bit too strong, but I
would not choose too docile a term. If we are caught in a progression
then what does the post-WalMartian world look like?
>
> Other ancient sages knew wholesome food and the exercise tending a
> garden were necessary to maximize mental function. They also knew how
> the cities, which didnt balance the work, corrupted. There is a way to
> combine the physical and emotional benefits of agrarian village life
> with modern technologies twards a sustainable system.
Hear, hear, Day. High tech and low tech and everything in between.
It's all good, but when we've lost our individual skills due to
economy of scale then something has gone wrong.
- Tim
Day Brown
> Yeah. Meanwhile we pine for the ways of the native american and drewel
> over the cultures in Europe who still maintain some of their local
> flavors. That we could actually live those ways seems to most to be
> beyond reality, but we can. We've just been subsumed by economy of
> scale, but it is imploding. Implode may be a bit too strong, but I
> would not choose too docile a term. If we are caught in a progression
> then what does the post-WalMartian world look like?
rapidly accelerates to implosion. But the other thing quantum & Chaos
theory says, is you never have all the relevant inputs to know before
hand when it will happen; you'll be lucky if you understand what its
doing when it starts.
>> Other ancient sages knew wholesome food and the exercise tending a
>> garden were necessary to maximize mental function. They also knew how
>> the cities, which didnt balance the work, corrupted. There is a way to
>> combine the physical and emotional benefits of agrarian village life
>> with modern technologies twards a sustainable system.
>
> Hear, hear, Day. High tech and low tech and everything in between.
> It's all good, but when we've lost our individual skills due to
> economy of scale then something has gone wrong.
I'm at the end of the grid in the Ozarks, have seen lotsa people come
thru- who could figure out how to build a house, but not a garden, who
left when the MRE's ran out.
Before my off grid house burned, I had most of the first 120 issues of
The Mother Earth News. But came to see the individual does not, in fact,
have the economy of scale necessary for real 'self-sufficiency'. The
investment you refer to in a tractor or the other equipment, barns,
livestock, etc, are beyond the economic reach of almost everyone.
The Amish expand their bases by limiting the cost of equipment and the
large families- not the banks- provide the credit as well as the skills
and manhours sometimes needed, as a barn raising.
Course having adults who are rational rather than neurotic wrecks from
being raised on sugar cereals, junkfood, and soda helps enormously. If
you see Mother Nature clipped the ends of the bell curve for women to
ensure competent mothering, you can get how the girls would grow up more
often rational on such bad diets. The Y chromosome DNA that usta produce
genius now results in autism, manic/depressive, neurosis, and
schizophrenia. Part of the reason in the decline of skills you notice.
I've had a lotta young people come thru in recent years, and its the
women who are somewhat more competent, often providing case management
of the young men with them, but unable to teach the skills. I could, but
dont try cause I know the boys are busy with porn and video games and
not really able to pay attention. Since the women wont give me a fasces,
and I dont have a cunt, I dont see any way to adjust attitudes.
Perhaps you recall Rome gave bread away, not out of generosity, but to
keep mobs from rioting. The aristocracy is still at it. Glamour, More,
Cosmopolitan, have all had raps by upscale white career women going to
fertility clinics. The first generation of Uberwench is already born,
and may figure out what to do about it if it lasts long enuf.
John J Stafford
Study up.
Day Brown
> The Democrats are becoming 1950's Republicans.
>
> Study up.
Industrial complex".
But look at the decline of academic performance since, and compare that
with the inverse rise in agribusiness petrochemicals, and think about
what that has done to the food supply kids are raised on.
Tim Golden BandTech.com
Yeah, and now the tea party are offering defense cut action as on the
table.
Under the Ron Paul influence this agenda includes withdrawing US
troops from overseas; a topic that will not make the mainstream
apparently, even as the US is caught with its pants down overseas;
American made weapons propping up dictators that the US now prompts
should disappear. It's not pretty, but there is a real shift going on.
What a shame and a sham that it does not enter this way within the
media. Whether we can get the truth on these matters is suspect. I
don't know what to believe, but the one thing that I know not to
believe is the USFG.
So is the US really caught with its pants down, or did it pull them
down itself? Here the levels of indirection and secrecy; the influence
of wikileaks under Assange; when we see documents on the US gathering
biometric information on the UN members then we see the level to which
secret power will descend to. The biochemical knowledge that the inner
circles have; the US launched anthrax attack on its own government;
snuff it out. When the stiflers become stifled... the credibility of
global information is suspect due to disinformation campaigns. Again,
another reason to sit back and watch it unfold; grow your own food and
stay out. Depower the US structure; it's a very scary beast under the
hood.
How many other countries suffer this same? How many democracies have
intelligence agencies involved in disinformation? Hah! the human race
is a farce. At least in this age we are still as obnoxiously misled as
ever. The sole measure that I can see of improvement is to cut back on
the fakery. The building of an uncorruptible machinery will not likely
include humans within its core. We will have computerized government;
computerized banks; computerized production; all in the name of
eliminating the human factor...
Eventually someone will try this and their success will be markedly
better than say, the USFG reference standard. There will hardly even
be a means of comparison.
- Tim
Day Brown
> On Mar 22, 2:19 am, Day Brown<daybr...@artelco.com> wrote:
>> agreed. It was GOP pres Eisenhower who told us of the "military
>> Industrial complex".
> Yeah, and now the tea party are offering defense cut action as on the
> table.
polite informed discourse appreciated.
> Under the Ron Paul influence this agenda includes withdrawing US
> troops from overseas; a topic that will not make the mainstream
> apparently, even as the US is caught with its pants down overseas;
> American made weapons propping up dictators that the US now prompts
> should disappear. It's not pretty, but there is a real shift going on.
> What a shame and a sham that it does not enter this way within the
> media. Whether we can get the truth on these matters is suspect. I
> don't know what to believe, but the one thing that I know not to
> believe is the USFG.
Thing is the UN never did evolve into the global security force needed
to support free trade; sometimes quick action is needed, and the
dithering of the UN couldnt do that, so the Pentagon took over.
The US debt & deficit is what the Pentagon charges for global security
services. Whether we like it or not, empires have always tolerated
abusive satraps, but at the same time, have- as seen now with Libya,
removed support as a lesson.
> So is the US really caught with its pants down, or did it pull them
> down itself? Here the levels of indirection and secrecy; the influence
> of wikileaks under Assange; when we see documents on the US gathering
> biometric information on the UN members then we see the level to which
> secret power will descend to. The biochemical knowledge that the inner
> circles have; the US launched anthrax attack on its own government;
> snuff it out. When the stiflers become stifled... the credibility of
> global information is suspect due to disinformation campaigns. Again,
> another reason to sit back and watch it unfold; grow your own food and
> stay out. Depower the US structure; it's a very scary beast under the
> hood.
>
> How many other countries suffer this same? How many democracies have
> intelligence agencies involved in disinformation? Hah! the human race
> is a farce. At least in this age we are still as obnoxiously misled as
> ever. The sole measure that I can see of improvement is to cut back on
> the fakery. The building of an uncorruptible machinery will not likely
> include humans within its core. We will have computerized government;
> computerized banks; computerized production; all in the name of
> eliminating the human factor...
>
> Eventually someone will try this and their success will be markedly
> better than say, the USFG reference standard. There will hardly even
> be a means of comparison.
if Hominids did not suffer from pathological mental development- caused
by sugar cereals, junk food, and soda kids are raised on, there'd be
more hope for real democracy. Women are picking up on it, especially the
white career women now going to fertility clinics to give birth to the
first generation of Uberwench, and those girls will have carefully
managed diets and development.
I find it telling that Wanda Sykes's lesbian spouse went to a fertility
clinic and so Wanda is now a parent of two white girls. Wanda's money
will no doubt be used to maximize their development. Both women know if
they grow up to be successful, it'll make the parents lives easier. We
can expect other non white women to do the same.
But in any case that generation will be smarter and more able to control
the corruption & oppression we now all suffer with.
Tim Golden BandTech.com
> On 03/28/2011 09:37 AM, Tim Golden BandTech.com wrote:
>
> > On Mar 22, 2:19 am, Day Brown<daybr...@artelco.com> wrote:
> >> agreed. It was GOP pres Eisenhower who told us of the "military
> >> Industrial complex".
> > Yeah, and now the tea party are offering defense cut action as on the
> > table.
>
> polite informed discourse appreciated.> Under the Ron Paul influence this agenda includes withdrawing US
> > troops from overseas; a topic that will not make the mainstream
> > apparently, even as the US is caught with its pants down overseas;
> > American made weapons propping up dictators that the US now prompts
> > should disappear. It's not pretty, but there is a real shift going on.
> > What a shame and a sham that it does not enter this way within the
> > media. Whether we can get the truth on these matters is suspect. I
> > don't know what to believe, but the one thing that I know not to
> > believe is the USFG.
>
> Thing is the UN never did evolve into the global security force needed
> to support free trade; sometimes quick action is needed, and the
> dithering of the UN couldnt do that, so the Pentagon took over.
>
> The US debt & deficit is what the Pentagon charges for global security
> services. Whether we like it or not, empires have always tolerated
> abusive satraps, but at the same time, have- as seen now with Libya,
> removed support as a lesson.
Well, this is quite a different interpretation than I have learned.
What I have learned is that the US installs such governments rather
than merely tolerating them.
The US has always operated on self interest, and this is the same
principle that bank robbers as well as crooked bankers operate on. The
primary interest that the US has is the natural resources of these
other countries, whether the middle east or central and south America.
Obama is being apologetic and attempting to make ammends, but we need
more than he can provide with those white gloves on. I suppose that
when he takes them off the cameras are not around. At least I hope
this explains it.
Capitalism when added into this scene exposes that fairness has
nothing to do with it, and so some notion of the US as a global
security factor is a straw sam argument. When the size of the bat that
one wields is the overarching factor then I think the interpretation
could vary from your own. The idyllic Sam that is posted in global
culture is stuffed, and behind the curtain there is not just one man
as in Oz, but a large conglomeration that is failing.
Why doesn't this curtain have a name? We know of the iron curtain, so
what should we call this other? In a nation that supposes that it is a
valid democracy when misinformation and disinformation become
prominent modes then the game is up. This format is a failure.
Congress doesn't work, so behind the curtain they determine another
agenda. Yes, the frustrations are real, but what goes on behind the
curtain is real too, though we will not know those operations other
than by reading between the lines. Functioning at this level of
mistrust proves the false democracy, whereby we must decode what is
really going on, and cannot necessarily trust our own interpretations.
I suppose that when the level of uncertainty rises beyond a threshold
then some new behaviors can emerge. I suspect that we are there now,
but I can't prove it.
- Tim
Day Brown
> Well, this is quite a different interpretation than I have learned.
> What I have learned is that the US installs such governments rather
> than merely tolerating them.
in most cases, merely gets out of the way while the thugs have at each
other, then works out what is most profitable with the survivor.
> The US has always operated on self interest, and this is the same
> principle that bank robbers as well as crooked bankers operate on. The
> primary interest that the US has is the natural resources of these
> other countries, whether the middle east or central and south America.
> Obama is being apologetic and attempting to make ammends, but we need
> more than he can provide with those white gloves on. I suppose that
> when he takes them off the cameras are not around. At least I hope
> this explains it.
Every nation assumes self interest, they're just not very good at it.
> Capitalism when added into this scene exposes that fairness has
> nothing to do with it, and so some notion of the US as a global
> security factor is a straw sam argument. When the size of the bat that
> one wields is the overarching factor then I think the interpretation
> could vary from your own. The idyllic Sam that is posted in global
> culture is stuffed, and behind the curtain there is not just one man
> as in Oz, but a large conglomeration that is failing.
I didnt claim the Pentagon's security services to the global market were
fair. Nor do I claim the hidden powers are more organized & competent.
Every elite is subject to group think the same as anyone else.
> Why doesn't this curtain have a name? We know of the iron curtain, so
> what should we call this other? In a nation that supposes that it is a
> valid democracy when misinformation and disinformation become
> prominent modes then the game is up. This format is a failure.
> Congress doesn't work, so behind the curtain they determine another
> agenda. Yes, the frustrations are real, but what goes on behind the
> curtain is real too, though we will not know those operations other
> than by reading between the lines. Functioning at this level of
> mistrust proves the false democracy, whereby we must decode what is
> really going on, and cannot necessarily trust our own interpretations.
> I suppose that when the level of uncertainty rises beyond a threshold
> then some new behaviors can emerge. I suspect that we are there now,
> but I can't prove it.
Aristotle:"Most men are such slaves to passion they'd do better in the
hands of a more rational master." Politics is all about who getsta be
the master, whether more rational or not. The only diff now, going all
the way back to Athens, is the computer scanning archives exposing
hypocrisy and recent input exposing everything else down to pubic hair.
Not a curtain but a screen with a real time image to replace truth.
Tim Golden BandTech.com
> On 03/29/2011 07:52 AM, Tim Golden BandTech.com wrote:> Well, this is quite a different interpretation than I have learned.
> > What I have learned is that the US installs such governments rather
> > than merely tolerating them.
>
> I'm not always as clear as I hope. I dont say the US never installs, but
> in most cases, merely gets out of the way while the thugs have at each
> other, then works out what is most profitable with the survivor.
Ah, O.K. Day.
I should admit that for all my gripes as I sit down to my computer
this morning I am grateful for the freedoms that I do have, and the
lack of intrusion from the government, presuming of course that they
have not intruded.
So I have peace here locally, but the thing which enforces that peace
has the most weaponry on the planet; claims police status; all the
while guzzling the most resources, including the resources of other
nations and as we were discussing by propping up dictators. It's a
mess.
- Tim
Day Brown
> I should admit that for all my gripes as I sit down to my computer
> this morning I am grateful for the freedoms that I do have, and the
> lack of intrusion from the government, presuming of course that they
> have not intruded.
times since 1969. But they didnt drag me out to be shot, and were mostly
polite. Course, I'm not the kind of alpha male that pushes hot buttons.
> So I have peace here locally, but the thing which enforces that peace
> has the most weaponry on the planet; claims police status; all the
> while guzzling the most resources, including the resources of other
> nations and as we were discussing by propping up dictators. It's a
> mess.
Agreed. And dangerously close to disaster from so many tipping points.
I cant say that its gotten worse considering the web reports have made
it so much harder to keep a lid on what they've been doing.
If I start with the Huey P. Long school of govt rules:
1- dont ever say anything in writing (much less email)
2- Dont ever say over the phone what you can in person
3- Dont ever speak when you can nod.
4- Dont ever nod when you can smile.
I'm sure LBJ smiled hearing of the coming hit on JFK. Any doubt I had
was dispelled seeing how he ran the campaign against Goldwater. Dunno as
Goldwater was right, but he was asking questions I didnt see answered,
and I saw how the media spun everything he had to say.
So- in 69, when the Tampa Tribune would not print the truth about the
search at my place, I was not surprised. The USF student antiwar paper
did print it, but when I heard that office was trashed in a 'drug
search' a few weeks later, I was not surprised.
Then, after Kent State, I was in a demonstration at the federal
courthouse, and sat with friends to see myself in the TV news. Which
said about 70 protested at the courthouse. True. But the cameras never
turned to the street where another 4000 were who would not fit on the
steps or in the news reporter's mindframe.
I've seen more lies in New Orleans, and then lies in the Ozarks, and
now, on the net, reports of even more. Dunno how much truth we can all
handle. How much do we need, and what can we do with it?
The bastards may send me back to prison for the rest of my life, but if
the proverbial SHTF, its a safe place to be. And how many of us can they
lock up before it crashes?
If I stop ranting on usenet, you'll know I'm in prison.
Tim Golden BandTech.com
> On 04/01/2011 08:09 AM, Tim Golden BandTech.com wrote:
> I should admit that for all my gripes as I sit down to my computer
> > this morning I am grateful for the freedoms that I do have, and the
> > lack of intrusion from the government, presuming of course that they
> > have not intruded.
>
> Well, they have improperly searched my various properties 'for drugs' 10
> times since 1969. But they didnt drag me out to be shot, and were mostly
> polite. Course, I'm not the kind of alpha male that pushes hot buttons.
Very wise, but when they push your buttons it is very difficult not to
respond, especially when physical force is involved. I've been
arrested several times by police where they use this as a tactic to
raise the amount of offense they can put in their summonses. I was
cooperative but standing my ground in both cases and there was a
surprise grab of my person to which I reacted in both cases. This then
gets you resisting arrest, and depending on how you resist it can get
you assault on an officer.
This is a method that they use in Lincoln County, Maine, where county
police are in use in most of the towns, and for which I spent thirty
days in their jail. I never committed a crime, other than test driving
a vehicle that was for sale which was not registered. Ahh, but the
license in my pocket was invalid due to a speeding ticket that I
forgot to pay in New Hampshire. I found the envelope unopened some
weeks later announcing that my license was suspended. So this was my
crime, which I couldn't believe at the time of arrest. My error was
not reading my mail. The corrective solution was to pay the speeding
ticket, but for the cops and their behavior. They simply used the
opportunity to persecute me as far as they could. Meanwhile I'd been
driving around with an invalid license for quite some time breaking
the law every day without even knowing it. The license in your pocket
is quite meaningless yet if you don't carry it with you when you drive
you'll be in trouble too. I should mention too that during this period
I was active protesting the Bush regime, including heckling Paul
Bremer's speech at Bowdoin College. What a dick that guy is. At this
event I was asked to make a positive message to hold as people entered
the arena. Attempting to convert 'Bush is a liar' into something
positive I came up with 'Truth is Freedom' which I came to appreciate
and cut up and taped to my bumper during that period when I got
arrested, and which the cop harassed me about.
The media: it makes too much sense that the media have been
compromised by intelligence personnel. The confluence of the search
for information is obvious. Suppose a journalist has a story and the
information cannot be verified, yet the information is strong and of
importance. What does one do with hot information that cannot be
printed that one worked hard to achieve? Sell it. Simply allow this
procedure to sprout in a few random locations, and shortly a repeat
cycle will ensue, and more. So, the notion that the justice seeking
journalist could get sucked into the system is feasible. Steerage the
other way around then comes into possibility, along with a nest of
other behaviors including promotion of the compromised journalist.
Let's also consider the possession of that information and who owns
it: the journalist or the journalist's employer?
We are forced to read between the lines. When I do this I sometimes
hear a strong signal. We cannot know, but when we cast doubt on the
information then we are all in a compromised position. Even in an
innocent system this is the case, but in a compromised system of
secret operations this problem is more substantial. The most open
system will be the one that wins, at least I hope.
- Tim
Day Brown
Women are taking over. In law enforcement, their superior ability to
read body language avoids excessive force. They dont get their rocks off
like alpha males dominating. There are new tools besides tasers that
avoid the litigation and keep suspects alive to ascertain truth.
Same deal with the corporate media. Women do better in peer-to-peer
venues like the Internet, and http://paulekman.com outlines part of why
they can more often detect deception, as well as how to improve the
skill, be it on the street, or at the podium.
Never mind the fact checking of computer networks.The only reason not to
use email to inform drivers of license problems is that it is such a
cash cow for lawyers and courts. The injustice we experience seems like
but a small sample of what else we read posted.
I think of Jack Nicolson as the General:"You want the truth? You cant
handle the truth." How much truth can we handle, and what happens when
we all realize the elites- Left Or Right- have no moral authority to
lead or render what passes for 'justice'? Anarchy can be deadly.
Tim Golden BandTech.com
> they can more often detect deception, as well as how to improve the
> skill, be it on the street, or at the podium.
>
> Never mind the fact checking of computer networks.The only reason not to
> use email to inform drivers of license problems is that it is such a
> cash cow for lawyers and courts. The injustice we experience seems like
> but a small sample of what else we read posted.
>
> I think of Jack Nicolson as the General:"You want the truth? You cant
> handle the truth." How much truth can we handle, and what happens when
> we all realize the elites- Left Or Right- have no moral authority to
> lead or render what passes for 'justice'? Anarchy can be deadly.
Hmmm... That is a pretty powerful conclusion. I've gone pretty much
that way on the human race in general, but there is a progression that
exists. Whether chaos rules even within organized governments... The
next form ought to further reduce corruption, and the means is nearly
at hand. Open information systems can do this. It's probably already
operant.
That lies lead to more lies is a pretty apparent phenomenon. That
humans are liars, yeah, that's highly apparent. Even to ourselves we
lie. So we highlight integrity, and attempt to make out the founding
fathers as of the utmost integrity, but then when we get down to it
they were just humans too. Still, this integrity thing is a good
practice but relativity has to be allowed in rather than a black and
white discrete form.
I think we should have the truth out on the table. Fear of the truth
is not a reason to avoid it. People are adaptive. Coming from a blank
slate then knowledge takes the form of the blind leading the blind, so
that errors are acceptable and necessary, but the hiding of those
errors is problematic. I do suspect that our government in the USA has
some terrible secrets. By holding them in it will always stand ready
to fall. Speaking of which I've to look up Julian Assange and see
what's going on there. But should I trust what I read on the internet?
Hah. If the USFG infiltrates the media then let it be exposed.
- Tim
Day Brown
> lead or render what passes for 'justice'? Anarchy can be deadly.
>
> Hmmm... That is a pretty powerful conclusion.
> I've gone pretty much
> that way on the human race in general, but there is a progression that
> exists. Whether chaos rules even within organized governments... The
> next form ought to further reduce corruption, and the means is nearly
> at hand. Open information systems can do this. It's probably already
> operant.
We've seen the transition from warriors to matriarchy before. Earliest
is seen in the artwork at Chatal Hoyuk 9000 years ago, when the world's
first frescoes quit depicting male hunters shifting to more abstract
spiritual symbols- which witches still deal with.
> That lies lead to more lies is a pretty apparent phenomenon. That
> humans are liars, yeah, that's highly apparent. Even to ourselves we
> lie. So we highlight integrity, and attempt to make out the founding
> fathers as of the utmost integrity, but then when we get down to it
> they were just humans too. Still, this integrity thing is a good
> practice but relativity has to be allowed in rather than a black and
> white discrete form.
>
> I think we should have the truth out on the table. Fear of the truth
> is not a reason to avoid it. People are adaptive. Coming from a blank
> slate then knowledge takes the form of the blind leading the blind, so
> that errors are acceptable and necessary, but the hiding of those
> errors is problematic. I do suspect that our government in the USA has
> some terrible secrets. By holding them in it will always stand ready
> to fall. Speaking of which I've to look up Julian Assange and see
> what's going on there. But should I trust what I read on the internet?
> Hah. If the USFG infiltrates the media then let it be exposed.
I dont try to defend what should happen, but whats coming whether we
like it or not. Smart women have quit waiting for mr. Wright, and are
going to fertility clinics. Where they can even select the sex. The
first generation of Uberwench is already born, some now in grad school.
They will raise the bar on morals and performance and expose the lies
even more adeptly.
A smart witch has always been hard to con. Etymology reveals the
earliest Aryan term for authority is "raj", which was 'Female tribal
leader of great wisdom and mana.' Armed with new lie detection
technologies, truth will be exposed whether we like it or not.
Pinker's 'Blank Slate' reveals lies we tell ourselves about who we
innately are. Lotsa guys dont wanna hear it.
Uno Hu
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There is no solution coming from matriarchies nor from Saphic idolatry.
There will be no nirvana ex vulva..
Waiting for peace at the feet of matriarchical Hillaries or Coulters
will get you a 500lb Neocon bunker buster through the open hatch.. and
a crocodile smile.
Just because some chick
Day Brown
> There is no solution coming from matriarchies nor from Saphic idolatry.
> There will be no nirvana ex vulva..
>
> Waiting for peace at the feet of matriarchical Hillaries or Coulters
> will get you a 500lb Neocon bunker buster through the open hatch.. and
> a crocodile smile.
whether we like it or not. Might makes right, always has, always will.
Only now, after 5000 years of rule by the warrior elites, the brave
heart, strong right arm, sword in hand... dont cut it any more.
You wanna talk about weapons? Women have finer muscle control, and that
works on the trigger finger. Moreover, while you may hesitate that which
you hope to rape later, she wont.
And if might is money, well already young women make more money than
young men. And that'll only get worse as they move up in business.
I've no idea whether I'll like matriarchy or not, but nobody ever gave a
fuck what I liked.
Day Brown
> There will be no nirvana ex vulva..
>
> Waiting for peace at the feet of matriarchical Hillaries or Coulters
> will get you a 500lb Neocon bunker buster through the open hatch.. and
> a crocodile smile.