Racists who claim to be Buddhists

[pi]

There are racists on these boards. People who claim kindness and
serenity and exercise pure racism. Racist jokes, racist vocabulary,
stereotype driven behaviour.

These people approapriate Buddhism as their doctrine without
understanding what kindness, respect and serenity really are all
about. They hide their ignorance and confusion this way.

liaM is perhaps the worst of this kind. He's half-asian living in
Paris and he's probably been discriminated against for his racial
origin ever since childhood.

He lives between two worlds and he hates it. He can't figure it out.
The best he ever knew was how to be an efficient racist so he's doing
the best he can to become one whenever he can.

Too bad, liaM. Tim will have his way with you, I'm sure :D

Take care buddy :D

pi

P.S. I'm neither Christian nor a Buddhists. I am disgusted and bored
with people who make claims :(

liaM, go kill a Polish immigrant in front of your pub tonight, you
fucking asshole!

[pi]

I walk this planet in awe wondering - Why is there so much evil?

And then I post to a Buddhist forum hoping to find peaceful people whom I could join in their pursuits and what do I see?

Some fucking racist claiming to be a good Buddhist? And nobody gives a fuck?

Is that what you call kindness and serenity in Paris?

Fucking racism?

Fuck you racists! Fuck you liaM!

[liaM]

Hooray. I've made it. Fame and one heavy duty groupie - WOW !

[Tim]

On Jun 25, 5:26 pm, pi <pi65...@gmail.com> wrote:

> There are racists on these boards.

> liaM is perhaps the worst of this kind. He's half-asian living in
> Paris and he's probably been discriminated against for his racial
> origin ever since childhood.

> He lives between two worlds and he hates it. He can't figure it out.
> The best he ever knew was how to be an efficient racist so he's doing
> the best he can to become one whenever he can.

> liaM, go kill a Polish immigrant in front of your pub tonight, you
> fucking asshole!

Bwahaha... that is a classic milk out of the nose I laughed so hard
pi! That whole rant is exactly what you are preaching against! Classic
zen, pi, classic. Both condeming the racist and then blasting his
kind... oh, oh... hahaha.. and the sterotypical Polish immagrant
punchline. That is a unity if I have ever seen it. The only problem I
can see for now regarding liaM is his complete lack of comprehension
of what he is reading. Caught him twice in one thread. It takes
improvement.

You on the other hand... haha... no one is making any claims here.
What is the point since what "I" (I hesitated saying "we") teach here
is something that needs to be experienced not read about. Do. Do. Do.
Do Do. No idea. 18,298 experiencers of the Tim pi. Real life real.

And to think... well, about that nick Mephistopheles (sp)... yeah.
Again, hilarious! Meph was the magician, not the devil, that made the
deal with Faust... not for Faust's soul, rather for a favour in the
future... and when the shit hit the fan, Meph "and" Faust went to Hell
where they were both "bound and tortured"... Death says don't jump and
the Devil says jump... Why does Death warn you again? Oh yeah...
Death, not the Devil, goes with you... hahaha... it sounds like liaM
and I have succeeded in opening the argument in your head... no more
internal external duality rather, as we can all see now with clarity
the coin is now spinning in your head... the wind is not chasing you
pi... it is trying to get away!

Lucifer

[pi]

Tim wrote:
> On Jun 25, 5:26 pm, pi

See how it's done, liaM? Time is agile and competent, unlike you, you stupid fart. You ain't got nothing to say even to a Polish immigrant.

But I did get Tim to respond to my thread! I win. And I used you like that little 12-year old Asian, liaM ;D HA HA HA! I used racism against stupid liaM to bring Tim right into my thread to ask him this question.

Tim, how do I find you on Facebook?

Mephistopheles

P.S. That was some provocation, wasn't it? Thanks liaM, you asshole :D

[pi]

On Tuesday, June 26, 2012 2:22:59 AM UTC+2, liaM wrote:

> Hooray. I've made it.

Really? Was she at least legal? Was she French?

It all matters, liaM. Tell us! If you just scored another Asian chick whom you promised you'll get her a job in a grocery shop, it doesn't even count as "a score".

> Fame and one heavy duty groupie - WOW !

I'm learning you prick. "Groupie" is yet another term you don't wanna use as a Buddhist, you asshole. Groupies are individuals seek to long-term balance their homeostatis by some kind of societal appropriation. Read Bourdieu, you idiot. He was French. Do you speak French well enough to understand Bourdieu?

I don't really think you speak any language well enough to understand Bourdieu.

And oh yeah, Bourdieu is grasping at straws. I forgot ;D

I'll piss all over you if you don't improve your manners, you dickhead :D

pi

[Tim]

On Jun 25, 6:22 pm, liaM <cud...@mindless.com> wrote:

> Hooray. I've made it.  Fame and one heavy duty groupie - WOW !

I know! Like I said liaM, stick to what you know and adhere as best as
possible to the guidelines. Those fish be jumping all over the place.
I am trying this new hook. Red Devil. I did this online chakra test a
few weeks ago. It was a series of questions, about 30 and then at the
end, it gave me a chakra read out. All my chakras were strong but one.
It was the throat chakra. The advice I was given was to assert my
personal power a little more. Be a little more, believe it or not,
ego. I thought it was odd until Baz confirmed it during our last
meeting to discuss his book. He said that I have undergone an
incredible trial and seem a little sheepish at times. He said that I
need to get a little more assertive too. It is hard work and I am not
used to it but then Crowley's advice was that such things are
difficult at first...

Timothy Blacksmith

[Tim]

On Jun 25, 6:35 pm, Tim <8.tim.har...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 25, 5:26 pm, pi <pi65...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > There are racists on these boards.

heeyyyy... wait a minute... Jew is not a racist word pi. I am not a
racist. I mean there are only a hand full of people that post here for
the mulittudes and you are the first I have heard use the term and
then, lol, back it up with proof of your own unfortunate beliefs. I
know. You will want to believe you struck a guilty nerve but you are
wrong. This is just another chance to rant and to try and side step
your jew by changing my context to suit some sort of public outrage.
People are talking and that is what this is about. Totally worth it.

The first Jews were Hebrew and Hebrew meant black people from Africa
but did not mean African but slaves and were not restricted to blacks.
Then there are the people that call themselves Jews today and believe
me you they do not see themselves as being inferior in anyway. In that
case it is a religion not a race. Judism and Qaballa is their
"philosophy" and are required reading for this group. Then there were
those Hitler Jews who were mostly Polish and Russian immigrants until
the Church, Science, etc (Jews in the sense of the word "legaism",
science and laws losers that say fuck life until their own worth is on
the line and in the balance) said it was more than that... defective
people... but let's look at that...

In Canada (and the US too), a multicultural country where racism is
the first sign you are not Canadian, the current "ethical" (they call
it ethical instead of moral seeing as science needed its own word)
debate is about mercy killing and assisted suicides. Imagine people
who have run the gammit in pain and suffering and there are no other
treatments available and yet the Jews are like... no, no, no... that
is against the law. It is not right that you have an assisted suicide,
we are here to provide you with a better life... blah, blah, blah...
funny thing is these are the very same Jews who think nothing about
packing up an army and shipping out to other places in the world to
murder untold numbers of people and also develop new diseases (and
cures when the diseases spread) to plague cultures deemed unfit.

So why not assisted suicides? The cost to the pharmasutical (sp)
industry. Their resistence proves how much it would cost (their pocket
books) and that we are not talking about one or two isolated cases
here and there. But in the same note, as the Jews are all about money
(greed, one of the seven deadly Jews) and now, where the fuck are we
going to find more... well, there is a policy of constant growth as
one solution or there are all these healthy people on medication
becasue they do not know what sick is or even if they are suffering. A
whole generation of children after the exploited Xer's, the babyboomer
beasts of burden, that are entirely medicated... why? Parenting in a
bottle.

It seems hypocritical to one one side talk about no god, no spirit, no
consciousness, nothing after death but annihilation into voidness,
blah, blah, blah then on another day preach about god and the
condemnation of a soul that commits suicide... what ever happened to
the good old days when the elders just wondered off and became a part
of Nature?

That is why I do what I do pi. Live the way I live. I am superior to
all those fucking assholes in every way. As that is a fact, I wanted
to set a standard that made them stand apart from the rest of us. They
are all inferior to me, my wealth, my knowledge, my science, my
relgion, my experience, my yoga, my spirit, my consciousness, my
morals and ethics, all of it. They are all Jews and thus, I snare them
in their own shit when they suggest people like me are the problem...
terrorism is a government word used to define anyone that stands
against their authority to control, and I am not alone. Fortunately I
am God and thus am afforded the luxury of speaking and acting out and
proving "a posterior", that there is a Hell and there is nothing they
can do now to side step my wrath.

Jesus Christ

[Sanford Manley]

WTF!?


--
Sanford: Now with Skype! Email for details!

[i2i]

"Sanford Manley" <ans...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> WTF!?

could be worse. could be
buddhists who claim to
be racists.

[noname]

On 06/25/2012 05:26 PM, pi wrote:
> There are racists on these boards. People who claim kindness and
> serenity and exercise pure racism. Racist jokes, racist vocabulary,
> stereotype driven behaviour.
>
> These people approapriate Buddhism as their doctrine without
> understanding what kindness, respect and serenity really are all
> about. They hide their ignorance and confusion this way.
>
> liaM is perhaps the worst of this kind. He's half-asian

Who would care what liaM's race is but a racist, you cunt?

[pi]

i2i wrote:

> could be worse. could be buddhists who claim to be racists.

Yeah. That was the original version indeed ;D but I Occam shaved it a little coz I'm a gentle person at heart.

I thought "Racists who clam to be Buddhists" would be catchy enough for the Red Devil to come and caress his puppet :D

Sorry, isn't it getting like really boring around here these days? And I'm sort of addicted to being around geniuses of all sorts. They ignore me for the most part, like that G. Frege (my original guide), that lazy creature noname who only let me stand on the surface of the sun for 2 seconds (you miser you!) and wouldn't even give me time to *think* about a taking a plunge right into it, that big time math US professor who thinks Hof's book is crap and His Holiness Satan Himself.

So I get a lot of liaMs who understand shit, misunderstand my jokes about killing myself after eternity, make constant racial references, think these boards are their local pub, think big time scholars like Bourdieu, Zimbardo, Mead and Sapolsky stand for nothing at all and all they do is grasp at straws.

Are you reading this you CIA angels? If I'm too bad for His Holiness Satan Himself, please kindly save me from this lot and recruit me. My Dad was a cop (he retired sergeant), my father-in-law was military (he retired colonel, he didn't make it general coz the system changed), I was was a central banker and a teacher, my girlfriend is a lecturer and I hate racism. I have interests in every possible field and I am learning five languages (I'm going to learnt them all ;D Isn't this CV good enough for you? :D

And you won't have me just because I speak broken English? You can unbreak it in no time :D Don't be lazy like the sun, don't just sit there and wathch. So something :D

pi

[pi]

Sanford Manley wrote:

> WTF!?

Yeah, that's why I ain't readin' no more bullshit of liam's in the other threads.

I'd puke.

pi

[pi]

Of course! It was a joke right?

During my time in Britan I was asked the question "Are you a Polish Jew?" by almost every single new person I met. "No, I'm a Polish English", I always replied jokingly and there was laughter :D

Half of my family descended from Ukrainian immigrants, but I don't even look like these, I am even more Eastern like e.g. those Arab / Jewish schumcks. At least the size of the my brain will tell you that ;D

And I am not a racist :D

I love people as they are :D

That's why I will shoot liaM on the spot next time he makes a racial joke ;D ;D ;D

liaM, consider yourself a walking corpse, please :D

pi

[pi]

Tim wrote:
> On Jun 25, 6:35 pm, Tim <8.tim.har...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jun 25, 5:26 pm, pi

Great. I have read it very carefully and understood (most of it, at least). Thank you very much indeed for your time, Tim :D

I've also just watched it.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1480656/

It's worth the time, not the money, though. I use magic to enter the cinema when stuff's worth the time but not the money ;D

But I would really *love* to talk to you in private. I won't have some illiterate asshole like liaM fiddle with my guts after my sepuku :D

pi

[oxtail]

There are ways
to dig yourself out of a hole.

--
oxtail

[pi]

oxtail wrote:

> There are ways
> to dig yourself out of a hole.
>
> --
> oxtail

Thank you very much, oxtail.

http://flowerpicturegallery.com/d/5458-1/lotus+flower+buddha.jpg

Peace.

pi

[liaM]

From a master of the art... !

[i2i]

"oxtail" <oxt...@nowhere.org> wrote in message
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when you find youself in a
hole, simply stop digging,
because, after all, that's what
got you into the hole to begin with.

[liaM]

Le 26/06/2012 18:33, i2i a écrit :
>>
>> There are ways
>> to dig yourself out of a hole.
>
> when you find youself in a
> hole, simply stop digging,
> because, after all, that's what
> got you into the hole to begin with.

lol

[Tim]

On Jun 26, 7:37 am, pi <pi65...@gmail.com> wrote:
> oxtail wrote:

> > There are ways
> > to dig yourself out of a hole.

> > oxtail

> Thank you very much, oxtail.

> pi

Hahaha. Take a look here liaM. That is what it looks like externally
to the self. Ever seen that movie Princess Bride? Intellectual :
"Inconceivable!" Spanish Swordsman "Why do you keep saying that word?
I do not think it means what you think it means." Hahaha...

Yes pi, you can dig your way out of the hole, but first you must get
out of the hole you are in. If you had a shovel you could dig down the
sides to make a mound from which to escape... unfortunately, you did
not see that hole and were unprepared. Shall I throw down the shovel?
Or should I do your work from here?

Lucifer

[Lee Rudolph]

Alternative points of view have been given
by William Blake ("If the fool would persist
in his folly, he would become wise") and,
if I recall correctly, Nasruddin--among
others.

If you "simply stop digging" (but otherwise
remain the same; for instance, in your
disdain for or fear of "hole"s), you
remain in the "hole" (and, in physical
cases, you are likely enough to die
there).

Lee Rudolph

[i2i]

"Lee Rudolph" <lrud...@panix.com> wrote in message
news:jscpu7$e0f$1...@reader1.panix.com...

holey shit !

[noname]

If you're in a hole and you're sufficiently patient it will erode away
and you'll be on top of things.

[Tang Huyen]

On 6/26/2012 1:02 PM, Lee Rudolph wrote:

> Alternative points of view have been given
> by William Blake ("If the fool would persist
> in his folly, he would become wise") and,
> if I recall correctly, Nasruddin--among
> others.
>
> If you "simply stop digging" (but otherwise
> remain the same; for instance, in your
> disdain for or fear of "hole"s), you
> remain in the "hole" (and, in physical
> cases, you are likely enough to die
> there).

"The road of excess leads to the palace of
wisdom." -- Blake.

Tang Huyen

[Tang Huyen]

On 6/26/2012 1:21 PM, noname wrote:

> If you're in a hole and you're sufficiently
> patient it will erode away and you'll be on
>top of things.

You dig until you come out the other
side of the earth -- the China
syndrome.

Tang Huyen

[i2i]

"Tang Huyen" <tanghuyen{delete}@gmail.com[remove]> wrote in message
news:NKCdnfjj8-L5b3TS...@supernews.com...

rich man heaven
camel eye of needle

[pi]

Throw anything you kindly wish in (I'll truly appreciate every scrap),
but I ain't leaving the tomb. It's too cosy in here ;D

And please, don't be scared, I ain't as bad as they picture me ;D

Mephistopheles

[pi]

On 26 Cze, 19:51, "i2i" <boo...@netzero.net> wrote:

> rich man heaven
> camel eye of needle

We say that in the Shire! Oh the Shire..... :)

Way A'Hobb

[pi]

noname wrote:

> If you're in a hole and you're sufficiently patient it will erode away
> and you'll be on top of things.

:D

[Tim]

On Jun 26, 11:33 am, Tang Huyen <tanghuyen{dele...@gmail.com[remove]>
wrote:

I tried that once when I was a kid. Hit a pipe and nothing but shit
came out.

Tim

[oxtail]

You have no idea what you are doing, do you?

--
oxtail

[dr x]

welcome back.

[dr x]

On 26/06/2012 9:30 AM, Tim wrote:

> On Jun 25, 6:22 pm, liaM<cud...@mindless.com> wrote:
>
>> Hooray. I've made it. Fame and one heavy duty groupie - WOW !
>

> I know! Like I said liaM, stick to what you know and adhere as best as
> possible to the guidelines. Those fish be jumping all over the place.
> I am trying this new hook. Red Devil. I did this online chakra test a
> few weeks ago. It was a series of questions, about 30 and then at the
> end, it gave me a chakra read out. All my chakras were strong but one.
> It was the throat chakra. The advice I was given was to assert my
> personal power a little more. Be a little more, believe it or not,
> ego. I thought it was odd until Baz confirmed it during our last
> meeting to discuss his book. He said that I have undergone an
> incredible trial and seem a little sheepish at times. He said that I
> need to get a little more assertive too. It is hard work and I am not
> used to it but then Crowley's advice was that such things are
> difficult at first...
>
> Timothy Blacksmith
>

and then you die?

[oxtail]

How many ways do you know
how to put your foot in your mouth?

--
oxtail

[kittyp]

On 6/25/2012 10:06 PM, Sanford Manley wrote:
> WTF!?
>
>

You took it right out of my mouth. snort

[Sanford Manley]

You have a unique talent for stating things
in such a way that I could make off-color
comments.

--
Sanford: Now with Skype! Email for details!

[Sanford Manley]

On 6/26/2012 7:34 PM, Sanford Manley wrote:
> On 6/26/2012 7:19 PM, kittyp wrote:
>> On 6/25/2012 10:06 PM, Sanford Manley wrote:
>>> WTF!?
>>
>> You took it right out of my mouth. snort
>
> You have a unique talent for stating things
> in such a way that I could make off-color
> comments.

Meanwhile, while we mourn "Lonesome George"
who used to get hand-jobs from a wildlife
biologist, here is a special article from
Scientific American about the magnificent and
terrifying turtle penis!

http://io9.com/5919870/the-terrifying-sex-organs-of-male-turtles

[dr x]

On 27/06/2012 7:34 AM, Sanford Manley wrote:
> On 6/26/2012 7:19 PM, kittyp wrote:
>> On 6/25/2012 10:06 PM, Sanford Manley wrote:
>>> WTF!?
>>
>> You took it right out of my mouth. snort
>
> You have a unique talent for stating things
> in such a way that I could make off-color
> comments.
>

fuck the world. what more do i mean?

[dr x]

taste inside.

[Jakub A. Krzewicki]

wtorek, 26 czerwca 2012 01:26. carbon entity 'pi' <pi6...@gmail.com>
contaminated alt.buddha.short.fat.guy with the following letter:

> There are racists on these boards. People who claim kindness and
> serenity and exercise pure racism. Racist jokes, racist vocabulary,
> stereotype driven behaviour.

Arent those, perhaps, hidden Frankists or crypto-Lubavitchers?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrkudlGK2A0
:))))))

> P.S. I'm neither Christian nor a Buddhists. I am disgusted and bored
> with people who make claims :(
>
> liaM, go kill a Polish immigrant in front of your pub tonight, you
> fucking asshole!

For my patience both Axl Rose an Eminem are enough (so that I'm gonna lose
it): "I'll never play for Polish and Jews".

--
tois egregorosin hena kai koinon kosmon einai
ton de koimomenon hekaston eis idion apostrephesthai
http://lordwinterisle.blogspot.com/

[Jakub A. Krzewicki]

wtorek, 26 czerwca 2012 01:26. carbon entity 'pi' <pi6...@gmail.com>
contaminated alt.buddha.short.fat.guy with the following letter:

> There are racists on these boards. People who claim kindness and
> serenity and exercise pure racism. Racist jokes, racist vocabulary,
> stereotype driven behaviour.

Arent those, perhaps, hidden Frankists or crypto-Lubavitchers?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrkudlGK2A0
:))))))

> P.S. I'm neither Christian nor a Buddhists. I am disgusted and bored
> with people who make claims :(
>
> liaM, go kill a Polish immigrant in front of your pub tonight, you
> fucking asshole!

For my patience both Axl Rose an Eminem are enough (so that I'm gonna lose
it): "I'll never play for Polish and Jews".

What if anybone of them claimed about himself to be a Buddhist. Yuck!

[Tsukino Usagi]

On 12-06-26 10:25 PM, oxtail wrote:
> liaM wrote:
>
>> Le 26/06/2012 01:26, pi a écrit :

>>> There are racists on these boards. People who claim kindness and
>>> serenity and exercise pure racism. Racist jokes, racist vocabulary,
>>> stereotype driven behaviour.
>>>

>>> These people approapriate Buddhism as their doctrine without
>>> understanding what kindness, respect and serenity really are all about.
>>> They hide their ignorance and confusion this way.
>>>
>>> liaM is perhaps the worst of this kind. He's half-asian living in Paris
>>> and he's probably been discriminated against for his racial origin ever
>>> since childhood.
>>>
>>> He lives between two worlds and he hates it. He can't figure it out.
>>> The best he ever knew was how to be an efficient racist so he's doing
>>> the best he can to become one whenever he can.
>>>
>>> Too bad, liaM. Tim will have his way with you, I'm sure :D
>>>
>>> Take care buddy :D
>>>
>>> pi
>>>

>>> P.S. I'm neither Christian nor a Buddhists. I am disgusted and bored
>>> with people who make claims :(
>>>
>>> liaM, go kill a Polish immigrant in front of your pub tonight, you
>>> fucking asshole!
>>>
>>>
>>
>>

>> Hooray. I've made it. Fame and one heavy duty groupie - WOW !
>
>

> There are ways
> to dig yourself out of a hole.
>

Yeah, keep digging -- you'll find yourself in China.

I should know.

[i2i]

"oxtail" <oxt...@nowhere.org> wrote in message

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what the hell's an idea ?

[noname]

Leave it to you to come up with something that requires more work toward
larger goals, Tang. <g>

[noname]

Not exactly the same as what gives one to backpedal.

[pi]

On 27 Cze, 00:06, oxtail <oxt...@nowhere.org> wrote:

> How many ways do you know
> how to put your foot in your mouth?

Actually, being an idiot I am, I don't know anything close to being
that useful.

I can't appreciate this lesson, I am very sorry, oxtail.

Would you care to say a couple of more words?

If you're just very kind suggesting that I shut up, yes, this is my
plan :D

Thank you very much indeed for writing.

pi

[i2i]

"noname" <non...@no.email> wrote in message
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what the hell's a one ?

[i2i]

"noname" <non...@no.email> wrote in message

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would you be happier if the dig to china
were an easy one ? feeling that need to be
a slave to your internal elemental nature by
needing to take the path of the least resistance ?
where's the challenging character building aspects
in that slippery arena of expression ?

[oxtail]

If you really wanna get out of the hole,
work on the side of it.
If you really wanna get over your self,
help other people feel better.

--
oxtail

[oxtail]

Depends on what it is that thinks.

--
oxtail

[Tsukino Usagi]

What hole? Oh, you mean the hole I was in previously and got out of? Oh,
ok, thanks. I'll write that down.

> If you really wanna get over your self,
> help other people feel better.

What self? Oh, you mean "my" self? You see me as having a self?
Interesting, I don't see you as having a self. Are you enlightened? I
suppose I am not because I don't give 2 shits about helping other people
feel better. I just don't like to watch them suffer.

[i2i]

"oxtail" <oxt...@nowhere.org> wrote in message

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ideation is co-dependent upon
the source of thinkingness? doubtful.

[noname]

On 06/27/2012 09:28 AM, i2i wrote:
>
> "noname" <non...@no.email> wrote in message
> news:jsegb...@news7.newsguy.com...
>> On 06/26/2012 11:33 AM, Tang Huyen wrote:
>>> On 6/26/2012 1:21 PM, noname wrote:
>>>
>>>> If you're in a hole and you're sufficiently
>>>> patient it will erode away and you'll be on
>>>> top of things.
>>>
>>> You dig until you come out the other
>>> side of the earth -- the China
>>> syndrome.
>>>
>>> Tang Huyen
>>
>> Leave it to you to come up with something that requires more work
>> toward larger goals, Tang. <g>
>
> would you be happier if the dig to china
> were an easy one ?

Why dig to China?

> feeling that need to be
> a slave to your internal elemental nature by
> needing to take the path of the least resistance ?

The easy way is the hard way, and the hard way is the easy way; it's a
matter of temporal focus.

> where's the challenging character building aspects
> in that slippery arena of expression ?

Character building? Maybe you mean character-facade building. What one
is need not be constructed so much as uncovered.

[noname]

Something people deal with if they don't spend all their time eating
their own belly-button lint.

[noname]

Ideas are the forms ideation uses to communicate, or to fixate on;
ideation does not need ideas.

[noname]

Your christian missionary position is showing, oxtail.

Getting over your self doesn't necessarily involve helping other people
feel better, or worse, or anything at all. That it turns out that way
is only a sometimes side-effect. Getting over your self involves not
letting your self dictate how other people should be, as in "they should
be helped". You cannot know what will help them, maybe a broken leg
will help them not be conscripted into the army, maybe it will prevent
them running from a burning house, you simply cannot know.

Unless you think you're Jesus, of course; to use his own words and judge
him by his fruits might be a useful exercise, if one were not too
brainwashed to undertake it honestly.

[noname]

Sometimes the path leads past suffering people; if your preference is
more important than the way, it is more than preference and less than
the way.

[oxtail]

Any idea what it is that suffers?

--
oxtail

[oxtail]

Things are much more interconnected
than we can begin to imagine.
Any idea what it is that thinks?

--
oxtail

[oxtail]

When in doubt, just ask them.
To help others is to help ourselves.
When you suffer, the world suffers.
Any idea what it is that suffers?

--
oxtail

[i2i]

"noname" <non...@no.email> wrote in message

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> On 06/27/2012 09:28 AM, i2i wrote:
>>
>> "noname" <non...@no.email> wrote in message
>> news:jsegb...@news7.newsguy.com...
>>> On 06/26/2012 11:33 AM, Tang Huyen wrote:
>>>> On 6/26/2012 1:21 PM, noname wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If you're in a hole and you're sufficiently
>>>>> patient it will erode away and you'll be on
>>>>> top of things.
>>>>
>>>> You dig until you come out the other
>>>> side of the earth -- the China
>>>> syndrome.
>>>>
>>>> Tang Huyen
>>>
>>> Leave it to you to come up with something that requires more work
>>> toward larger goals, Tang. <g>
>>
>> would you be happier if the dig to china
>> were an easy one ?
>
> Why dig to China?

that's what i said

>> feeling that need to be
>> a slave to your internal elemental nature by
>> needing to take the path of the least resistance ?
>
> The easy way is the hard way, and the hard way is the easy way; it's a
> matter of temporal focus.

collapsing levels is soooo sordid

>> where's the challenging character building aspects
>> in that slippery arena of expression ?
>
> Character building? Maybe you mean character-facade building. What one
> is need not be constructed so much as uncovered.

but who initiated the coverings?

[i2i]

"noname" <non...@no.email> wrote in message

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i have no belly button. at birth
my umbilical cord herniated
and was removed surgically.

[i2i]

"noname" <non...@no.email> wrote in message

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and ideas and ideation operate
in a seperate sphere of reference
as to the source of thinkingness
which is their support.

[i2i]

"oxtail" <oxt...@nowhere.org> wrote in message

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sex energy confined to form

[Tsukino Usagi]

I completely agree.

[Tsukino Usagi]

A duck.

[noname]

Think back. Way back. I don't know about you, but I had the coverings
thrown over my head as a kid.

[noname]

Good way to be their slave.

> To help others is to help ourselves.

Following the path helps us, hurts nobody, and may help others.

> When you suffer, the world suffers.

You must be important, back when I was suffering nobody much gave a shit
because they had theirs and fuck me.

> Any idea what it is that suffers?

Your belief that suffering is unjustly imposed upon the innocent becomes
offended by having its wrongness exposed to light.

You seem to think suffering is the result of a meanie-pants world, and I
think suffering is justly-imposed karma resulting from our past fear of
being what we are even in the face of death.

Be as you are, good or bad, accept the licks you have requested through
your previous choices, and eventually suffering will end; we have it in
us to learn as long as we're not lying to ourselves. You can't hurry it
and you can't force it. You can drive liberation away, or accept it
when the lies have fallen away.

[pi]

There you go, Tsukino. The first step is to agree with the right
people.

There you go, my friend. Keep it up and you *are* going to be fine.

I GUARANTEE!!!!!!

pi

P.S. But if you don't understand something, don't pretend you do. Just
ask a question or simply keep quiet. Don't push it, take it really
easy.

Finally you're on the right track.

And you *are* going to be fine.

[kittyp]

On 6/26/2012 4:34 PM, Sanford Manley wrote:
> On 6/26/2012 7:19 PM, kittyp wrote:
>> On 6/25/2012 10:06 PM, Sanford Manley wrote:
>>> WTF!?
>>
>> You took it right out of my mouth. snort
>
> You have a unique talent for stating things
> in such a way that I could make off-color
> comments.
>

Sometimes being subtle gets 'er done.

[kittyp]

On 6/26/2012 2:46 AM, noname wrote:

> On 06/25/2012 05:26 PM, pi wrote:
>> There are racists on these boards. People who claim kindness and
>> serenity and exercise pure racism. Racist jokes, racist vocabulary,
>> stereotype driven behaviour.
>>
>> These people approapriate Buddhism as their doctrine without
>> understanding what kindness, respect and serenity really are all
>> about. They hide their ignorance and confusion this way.
>>
>> liaM is perhaps the worst of this kind. He's half-asian
>

> Who would care what liaM's race is but a racist, you cunt?

Precisely.

I would have left out the C word in responding, but otherwise totally
agree.

[oxtail]

Good for you.
You are trying mightily to teach others.
That's one of the ways to help yourself
by helping others.
Good luck.

--
oxtail

[pi]

It was a joke. Right? Just a stupid joke :D

[pi]

But nothing can beat the fish koan you sent me, oxtail.

Unless you yourself with wish to beat it with another koan or one of
your famous one-liners? :D

Thank you :D

pi

[oxtail]

Still here?

--
oxtail

[oxtail]

By what?

--
oxtail

[pi]

I spoke to Tsukino in private and he is the kindest person in the
world.

He seeks to be loved and cared for. He seeks to be told.

He has *a lot* of potential for loving others selflessly, imho.

Please help him, if you can. He is worth the effort and he deserves
it.

Just flip your fingers just like you did with me and you'll see. You
won't be sorry.

Thank you.

pi

[i2i]

"oxtail" <oxt...@nowhere.org> wrote in message

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by the limits of what the sex energy
finds in a conducive vehicle pursuant
to its expression. you may be god
under the skin but that very skin
limits your godness.

[Allen Barker]

On 06/28/2012 06:50 AM, noname wrote:
>
> Why dig to China?

If you live in Argentina, that's where a line directly
down will take you!

http://www.freemaptools.com/tunnel-to-other-side-of-the-earth.htm

Most people will hit an ocean.

[Allen Barker]

The Buddhist definition of "compassion" and "helping people"
has already anticipated your concerns above. Not everyone
understands that intellectually, and fewer still can really
do it in practice, skillfully. Yet we all have to muddle
along, doing the best we can in the circumstances, seeing
things with an eye exactly as clear as the eye we have at
that particular time.

[Allen Barker]

On 06/28/2012 06:54 AM, noname wrote:
> On 06/27/2012 10:16 PM, i2i wrote:
>>

>> ideation is co-dependent upon
>> the source of thinkingness? doubtful.
>

> Ideas are the forms ideation uses to communicate, or to fixate on; ideation does not need ideas.

How does the intellectual question of whether
"ideation needs ideas" fit into the larger picture?

[Allen Barker]

On 06/28/2012 09:28 AM, oxtail wrote:
> Things are much more interconnected
> than we can begin to imagine.

So, like, the first simplistic model that I come
up with may not actually completely characterize it?

Bummer!

[Allen Barker]

On 06/28/2012 10:33 AM, i2i wrote:
>
> "oxtail" <oxt...@nowhere.org> wrote in message news:jshm6d$e2j$2...@dont-email.me...

>>
>>
>> Things are much more interconnected
>> than we can begin to imagine.
>> Any idea what it is that thinks?
>
> sex energy confined to form

Sorry, but that doesn't seem to indicate that you're at an
especially deep place at this point...

[Allen Barker]

On 06/28/2012 02:01 PM, noname wrote:
> I think suffering is
> justly-imposed karma resulting from our past fear of being what we are even in the face of death.

The concept of karma can easily be abused (like all concepts).
It can easily become a way to blame the victims and excuse
the powerful from accountability for their abuses.

Justly-imposed? Is there some "God of justice" behind your
concept of karma?

[noname]

I sense an interesting discussion buried in that question but I'm not
sure just what it is.

Presumably the "intellectual" would need to begin with a good definition
of "ideation". The definition offered by answers.com is
"conceptualization of an idea", which seems not very useful and not even
very accurate since it begins by approaching from the concrete form. I
would say that ideation has to do with the rubbing together of concepts,
that ideas are specific forms which arise from concepts on their journey
toward expression.

Better perhaps to attempt to share an understanding of what concepts are
than of how the thinker attempts to manipulate their forms.

[noname]

Just because you are goal oriented does that mean everyone must
therefore be goal oriented? What happens to goal orientation when you
are excessively successful? Do goals proliferate indefinitely, and
along with them slavery to striving toward their achievement?

> That's one of the ways to help yourself
> by helping others.
> Good luck.

If you help others as a stepping stone toward being helped, you would be
best served by ill fortune.

[brian mitchell]

noname wrote:

>On 06/29/2012 12:06 AM, Allen Barker wrote:
>> On 06/28/2012 06:54 AM, noname wrote:
>>> On 06/27/2012 10:16 PM, i2i wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ideation is co-dependent upon
>>>> the source of thinkingness? doubtful.
>>>
>>> Ideas are the forms ideation uses to communicate, or to fixate on;
>>> ideation does not need ideas.
>>
>> How does the intellectual question of whether
>> "ideation needs ideas" fit into the larger picture?
>
>I sense an interesting discussion buried in that question but I'm not
>sure just what it is.
>
>Presumably the "intellectual" would need to begin with a good definition
>of "ideation". The definition offered by answers.com is
>"conceptualization of an idea", which seems not very useful and not even
>very accurate since it begins by approaching from the concrete form. I
>would say that ideation has to do with the rubbing together of concepts,
>that ideas are specific forms which arise from concepts on their journey
>toward expression.

What distinction do you see between ideas and concepts?

>
>Better perhaps to attempt to share an understanding of what concepts are
>than of how the thinker attempts to manipulate their forms.

You lead off. And interesting if you could undertake it from the inside; ie., what process is going
on internally, rather than going for an external definition.

[noname]

On 06/29/2012 12:49 AM, Allen Barker wrote:
> On 06/28/2012 02:01 PM, noname wrote:
>> I think suffering is
>> justly-imposed karma resulting from our past fear of being what we are
>> even in the face of death.
>
> The concept of karma can easily be abused (like all concepts).

Yes, the expression of anything offers itself up as a form which can
then be manipulated into a misrepresentation of the original, whether
with or without the voluntary participation of the manipulator.

> It can easily become a way to blame the victims and excuse
> the powerful from accountability for their abuses.

You seem to categorize individuals into "victims" and "powerful", it
might be useful to ponder the meaning of co-dependent origination and
consider how any individual can be either powerful or victim.

> Justly-imposed? Is there some "God of justice" behind your
> concept of karma?

No gods are required, nor morality either; a few simple principles
suffice; rub together the concepts of choice, cause-and-effect, and
dependent origination, along with butterfly-effect if levels of subtlety
are of interest, then perhaps the concepts of balance and justice will
become more similar.

When I say "justly-imposed" it is not morality to which I refer, but to
modification of circumstance as determined by choice, cause and effect,
choice and result, action and repercussion.

Were I to say "balancely-imposed" or "needfully-resulting" it seems that
would be a less clear way of expressing the resultingness of all karma,
which amounts to nothing more or less than effect which remains pending
as a result of causative choice; karma is inescapable effect which has
been caused but not yet manifested.

[noname]

It is the ability to be as we are, innocently and without trepidation,
that enables us to learn, allows that eye to become clearer instead of
more clouded.

Setting a goal of "helping other people" is inherently harmful.
Missionaries have helped many thousands to death. "No one expects the
Spanish Inquisition!"

[noname]

The "C word" is not always a simple reference to female genitalia, but
can also be an emphatic description of a particular attitude; for your
edification:



[begin quote]
Word Origin & History

sycophant
1537 (in L. form sycophanta), "informer, talebearer, slanderer," from L.
sycophanta, from Gk. sykophantes, originally "one who shows the fig,"
from sykon "fig" + phanein "to show." "Showing the fig" was a vulgar
gesture made by sticking the thumb between two fingers, a display which
vaguely resembles
a fig, itself symbolic of a cunt (sykon also meant "vulva"). The story
goes that prominent politicians in ancient Greece held aloof from such
inflammatory gestures, but privately urged their followers to taunt
their opponents. The sense of "mean, servile flatterer" is first
recorded in Eng. 1575.
[end quote]
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sycophant

[noname]

[begin quote]
Bob Chipeska: Hi. Bob Chipeska. Welcome. Great photo and resume by the way.
Marcus: Thanks. You know, we've been at this for a long time and all, so
we like to think we do a good job.
Bob Chipeska: You two are perfect for this job, truly. So, I don't want
his unpleasentness affect your performance in any way.
Marcus: Oh no. We...
Willie: Performance?
Bob Chipeska: Yes. Your performance. You know, the...
Willie: Do you mean sexual?
[Bob looks up at Willie in confusion]
Bob Chipeska: Excuse me?
Willie: Are you saying there's something wrong with my gear? Is that
what you're saying to me?
Bob Chipeska: I'm sorry, your gear?
Marcus: Willie...
Willie: My fuck stick
[Bob makes a disgusted look]
Marcus: Willie, take a seat. You know how your blood sugar is.
Bob Chipeska: He's not going to say fuck stick in front of the children,
is he?
Marcus: No! It was just a joke. An adult joke. For us, adults. It's a
joke. Just a joke.
[end quote]
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0307987/quotes

[pi]

I'm sorry noname, I don't have time for more films now. I am in such a
huge debt, you see. I gotta work!

I owe you one million dollars and I owe another million (pounds) to
the lovely Britons who took me in from from the street to live with
them (haven't told them about the money yet, though). So I really need
to get working to pay all my dues in the end, which I will.

Actually, fuck petty cash, let's make it a million pounds sterling for
you and a million for the lovely Britons. I'm serious.

Ok, ok, I'll watch the film. But just for you.

Sorry, as my ego's carrier I gotta be with it in the death chamber
during its last moments. I'll be back soon :D

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1092026/

And if the CIA, the Feds or the US Military ask you if you think I'd
be a loyal employee, I BEG YOU TO TELL THEM - YES!

pi

[noname]

On 06/29/2012 04:40 AM, brian mitchell wrote:
> noname wrote:
>
>> On 06/29/2012 12:06 AM, Allen Barker wrote:
>>> On 06/28/2012 06:54 AM, noname wrote:
>>>> On 06/27/2012 10:16 PM, i2i wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ideation is co-dependent upon
>>>>> the source of thinkingness? doubtful.
>>>>
>>>> Ideas are the forms ideation uses to communicate, or to fixate on;
>>>> ideation does not need ideas.
>>>
>>> How does the intellectual question of whether
>>> "ideation needs ideas" fit into the larger picture?
>>
>> I sense an interesting discussion buried in that question but I'm not
>> sure just what it is.
>>
>> Presumably the "intellectual" would need to begin with a good definition
>> of "ideation". The definition offered by answers.com is
>> "conceptualization of an idea", which seems not very useful and not even
>> very accurate since it begins by approaching from the concrete form. I
>> would say that ideation has to do with the rubbing together of concepts,
>> that ideas are specific forms which arise from concepts on their journey
>> toward expression.
>
> What distinction do you see between ideas and concepts?

We're getting into my personal lexicon here rather than any agreed-upon
dictionary definitions; so long as you realize that, I have no problem
with answering.

To me "concept" is the essence, or perhaps one could say the most
general case, the case so general that it has no inherent specifics; an
"idea" on the other hand is a more specific case of the concept, one
specific enough that it can at least potentially be communicated through
words.

>> Better perhaps to attempt to share an understanding of what concepts are
>> than of how the thinker attempts to manipulate their forms.
>
> You lead off. And interesting if you could undertake it from the inside; ie., what process is going
> on internally, rather than going for an external definition.

You expect me to somehow describe my ideation? Good grief, as Ed
Grimley would say, "I'm as doomed as doomed can be!"

Remember the Lava Lamp? Within the Lava Lamp of my consciousness,
concepts are the blobs of stuff floating around. They bump into one
another, merge, split, float away, descend, ascend, and so forth. The
action is more active than a Lava Lamp, more directed, hopefully faster,
but similar, and also similar to Venn Diagrams. Some (or perhaps all)
of these blobs of concept are also directly correspondent to things
manifest within the real world, both affecting and being affected by
their counterparts.

Beyond that I'm forced to pass the talking stick to you or someone else.
I don't mind if my attempt is ridiculed (it is pretty lame after all),
just don't attempt to manipulate it into something it isn't by sticking
to its wording.

[oxtail]

By itself?

--
oxtail

[oxtail]

Hence, "attention, attention, attention."

--
oxtail

[oxtail]

Is that why you are so argumentative?

>> That's one of the ways to help yourself by helping others.
>> Good luck.
>
> If you help others as a stepping stone toward being helped, you would be
> best served by ill fortune.

Ever wondered why evil exists?

--
oxtail

[i2i]

"Allen Barker" <allendotel...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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in wit of shambles
never be a slave
wake on up
with burma shave

[i2i]

"oxtail" <oxt...@nowhere.org> wrote in message

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could you wrestle with that
conclusion if it were the only
thing offered ?

[i2i]

"noname" <non...@no.email> wrote in message
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> On 06/29/2012 12:49 AM, Allen Barker wrote:
>> On 06/28/2012 02:01 PM, noname wrote:
>>> I think suffering is
>>> justly-imposed karma resulting from our past fear of being what we are
>>> even in the face of death.
>>
>> The concept of karma can easily be abused (like all concepts).
>
> Yes, the expression of anything offers itself up as a form which can then
> be manipulated into a misrepresentation of the original, whether with or
> without the voluntary participation of the manipulator.
>
>> It can easily become a way to blame the victims and excuse
>> the powerful from accountability for their abuses.
>
> You seem to categorize individuals into "victims" and "powerful", it might
> be useful to ponder the meaning of co-dependent origination and consider
> how any individual can be either powerful or victim.

that's the way the world sees everyone.
for the most part, if you are not perceived
to be a victim, you're perceived as being
a victimizer.