Re: Kapleau's Koo-Koo-Ka-Choo (was Re: Ralph where's Waldo Emerson)
herbzet
halfawake wrote:
> Hollywood Lee wrote:
> > halfawake wrote:
> >
> >> That really puts me in a better position to just look at things as they
> >> appear to be, and try to see what's going on without presuming any
> >> values + or - to any experience. So thanks. That's a gift, most likely
> >> undeserved. [he said modestly.]
> >
> >
> > In Buddhism, as I understand it, two values are added to a particular
> > experience, or, rather, two questions are asked of the experience - if
> > repeated, will it lead to the arising of suffering or will it lead to
> > the cessation of suffering?
> >
> > But unlike other additions or subtractions, these two questions don't
> > bog me down overly much in questions of what is real/unreal. No need to
> > worry about the philosophical distinctions between universals and
> > particulars, between perception and conception, no need to arbitrate the
> > never ending disputes of the philosophers, even if I enjoy being
> > familiar with their fights.
> >
> > I find that if I can quiet my habits of mind and get a shot at answering
> > the questions of suffering, all else may seem beside the point. At
> > least for me, at least for now.
> >
>
> I have always admired your psychologically pragmatic approach to
> Buddhist practice, even if I don't have the temperament to be totally
> satisfied with it myself. Having a mystical inclination is not
> necessarily a positive thing; it makes one want to venture out into the
> land of woo-woo, when one might be happier relaxing at home.
>
> But the baseline practice of stilling agitating and destabilizing forces
> that one can mindfully discern and dismiss through meditation, is a
> prerequisite for anything else. Those who skip it and go straight on to
> exciting enlightenment experiences often wind up unbalanced and unable
> to get back on their mental feet.
Well, that's true enough, and probably comes out of hard experience on your
part, but -- don't be such an old lady.
--
hz
halfawake
heh heh, have you ever been out there whirling around in the ethers?
Make you an old lady too.
You can easily replicate this experience by taking a double dose of DT's
Owsley Purple.
Robert
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herbzet
Just saw this post.
I been out there, but maybe not that out there.
--
hz
halfawake
Hard to measure.
Maybe we can say that Tim Leary taking 20 or 30 tabs of acid at the end
of his life when he had incurable cancer could be a "10." And we could
measure back from there, with DT's ordinary discursive state as a "1." :)
Just kiddin', DT!
Robert
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herbzet
Wow! Wonder if that killed him.
It is known that Aldous Huxley took LSD at his death -- I'm not sure if
he died while actually tripping or just thereafter; I've seen it both ways:
http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Aldous_Huxley_-_Biography/id/5512203
On his deathbed, unable to speak, he made a written request
to his wife for "LSD, 100 �g, i.m." She obliged, and he died
peacefully the following morning, November 22, 1963. Media
coverage of his death was overshadowed by news of the
assassination of President John F. Kennedy, which occurred
on the same day, as did the death of the Irish author C. S. Lewis.
I don't know what "i.m" means, but he took in as an intravenous or
intramuscular injection.
Other people who shared their day of passing: Patrick McGoohan,
Ricardo Montalban. (New topic for absfg?)
[Actually, wikipedia reports they died on subsequent days
(Jan 13, 14, 2009, respectively), but I saw their deaths
reported in the newspaper on the same day -- being in the
same news cycle is close enough for me.]
--
hz
Julian
Unlikely, unless the doses were abnormally large.
LSD-25 has an LD50 of 12,000+ micro g for little critters.
A big, experienced, critter like Leary would probably need far more.
Julian
Abram Hoffer has estimated, on the basis of animal studies,
that the half-lethal human dose--meaning half would die--
would be about 14,000 [ug].
But one person who took 40,000 ug survived.
In the only case of death reportedly caused by overdose
(Journal of the Kentucky Medical Association), the quantity of LSD
in the blood indicated that 320,000 ug had been injected intravenously."
That's about 16,000, average, trips.
(What a waste... should have used Rat poison or somesuch.)
herbzet
Thanks -- good info!
> That's about 16,000, average, trips.
320,000/16,000 = 320/16 = 20 ug per trip. No.
200 ug per trip more like it.
> (What a waste... should have used Rat poison or somesuch.)
Yeah -- somebody screwed up seriously.
--
hz
Julian
The best site for info about food... err... drugs... is
http://www.erowid.org/
Julian
Well spotted.
herbzet
It is well-known that mashed potatoes are a gateway drug.
Thanks for the link!
--
hz
Julian
100% of junkies started on milk.
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so sucking on tits leads to heroin?
Julian
Sometimes Methadone.
Tang Huyen
"^@%>---*=#**" wrote:
> "Julian":
>
> > 100% of junkies started on milk.
>
> so sucking on tits leads to heroin?
I don't know about the present time,
but up to pre-modern time, it was a
requirement for awakening.
Tang Huyen
Déjà Flu
So you just live in the past?
I thought we already knew that.
--
Ubi dubium ibi libertas
possum
tang just made a breast-feeding joke, fu...
<cough>
zenworm
um...
just what do you mean... "past"?
uhh... are we 'supposed' to stop?
ZN
possum
it's probably good policy to stop disputing with jokes, unless fu
likes being an eejit!!
just drop it fu, you're busted!
possum
Lee Rudolph
>just drop it fu, you're busted!
Heh.
It takes bottle to tell Fu he's being a dummy.
Lee Rudolph
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"Tang Huyen" <tanghuyen{delete}@gmail.com[remove]> wrote in message
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okay, i'll go get me some heroin.
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"possum" <jhk00B0S...@spambox.us> wrote in message
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On 11 Nov, 01:09, D�j� Flu <cha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Tang Huyen wrote:
>
> > "^@%>---*=#**" wrote:
>
> >> "Julian":
>
> >>> 100% of junkies started on milk.
> >> so sucking on tits leads to heroin?
>
> > I don't know about the present time,
> > but up to pre-modern time, it was a
> > requirement for awakening.
>
> So you just live in the past?
> I thought we already knew that.
>tang just made a breast-feeding joke, fu...
><cough>
it's impolite to talk with
a nipple in your mouth.
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"zenworm" <zens...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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just you
Tronscend
Just popped in for the season's greetings.
T
Hidden Draggin
OK...who is this??
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"Tronscend" <tron...@frizurf.no> wrote in message
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> So this is your refuge.
>
> Just popped in for the season's greetings.
the salt said hello?
Lee Rudolph
If the salt has lost its savior, wherewith shall it be assaulted?
Lee Rudolph
zenworm
> "^@%>---*=#**" <yom...@hotmail.com> writes:
> >news:drCdnXapFos...@telenor.com...
> >> So this is your refuge.
>
> >> Just popped in for the season's greetings.
>
> >the salt said hello?
>
> If the salt has lost its savior, wherewith shall it be assaulted?
>
> Lee Rudolph
hereinwith salient ins(a)ult
without further potassiumcrastination
until it becomes insaltzed
ZN :D
absolute permanent perfection overflowing without action