Zen practice suggestions for Ape and Stumper
Stumper
naked_ape wrote:
> "Stumper" <stu...@newvessel.com> wrote in message
>
> SNIP
>
>> Actually Ape's language is more authentic in the sense of ordinary
and normal usage. Does Ape hate poetry?
>
> Yes. ..
>
> Frankly, I find most modern (and
>
>> western) poetry irritating because I have no idea what they are
talking about. Same goes with most metaphysics. Maybe I am too stupid
to understand them. Probably most people don't understand them anyway.
Unless they are more like science and can provide some technology to
make our lives easier, we can leave them to smart people to play with.
>>
>> If some Buddhist sutras do contain some ontological truth, smart
people should help others use them to better their lives. But, such
help should be practical. There is not much point in forcing the
knowledge down the throat of ordinary people. They cannot digest them!
So, stop acting like law school students who debate as if they
represent the Truth when they only care for winning the debate and
getting good grade.
>
> All we can ever represent is our own truth. .. Ape;)
>
>> Zen masters usually act like doctors treating patients with terminal
illness. Even when they shout at patients to stop smoking, the patients
do not get angry. That's the main reason I like Zen. So much
compassion is so evident that even violent action heals. Only if we can
believe that all sentient beings are Zen masters....
>
> If being two that are also one is Zen, then yes, each sentient being
is a Zen master, and not. .. Ape;)
Now is the time to suggest some easy Zen practice for Ape and Stumper.
Stumper has a lot of free time but he is extremely lazy. He just love
the idea of zazen but prefers drinking tea while listening to some
music. Any suggestions?
naked_ape
Chop wood and carry water. .. Ape;)
Keynes
>
>Now is the time to suggest some easy Zen practice for Ape and Stumper.
>Stumper has a lot of free time but he is extremely lazy. He just love
>the idea of zazen but prefers drinking tea while listening to some
>music. Any suggestions?
Being lazy is not the way to zen. Going with the flow
is pretty much what everybody does but they do it in
a deluded way. Zen takes effort and sincerity, and
by that sincerity, effort is eventually overcome through
insight. Abandoning effort prematurely is existentialism,
but it can't lift you out of continually harming yourself.
Buddhism is release from suffering through insight.
It isn't an intellectual process. Intellectual knowing is
useless as a door to awakening. Tellable Knowledge is
abstractions about abstractions, ephemeral, changeable,
doubtful, and superficial.
There is knowledge of the tellable kind, and there is also
comprehension of the untellable kind. This isn't really so
mysterious. A picture is worth even more than 1000 words.
Words can't exhaust or encompass even a picture. Yet we
can comprehend it wordlessly. We live all the time by
wordless comprehension, without explanation.
Zen must be comprehended because it can't be 'known'.
For practice try this online book on 'mindfulness meditation'.
http://www.realization.org/page/namedoc0/mipe/mipe_0.htm
---------------------------------------
Here's a short list of Zen writings.
When you speak of zen, this is what it's all about.
Get the flavor until it is loses all taste.
Hsin Hsin Ming -- Verses on the Faith Mind by
The 3rd Zen Patriarch, Sengstau
http://www.allspirit.co.uk/hsinhsinming.html
Prajna Paramita (great wisdom) tracts
The Heart Sutra (commonly chanted in monestaries)
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~mooncharts/heartsutra/english.html
Intro to Diamond Sutra (commentary) --
http://www.buddhistdoor.com/passissue/9606/sources/diamond.htm
Diamond Sutra (Translated by A. F. Price)
Hearing this sutra brought enlightenment to Hui Neng,
the sixth zen patriach and author of the Platform Sutra.
http://community.palouse.net/lotus/diamondsutra.htm
Original Dharma
Four Noble Truths -- Noble Eightfold Path
http://www.buddhistdoor.com/passissue/9605/sources/teach.htm
Universal Truths (essential marks of Buddhism)--
http://www.buddhistdoor.com/passissue/9606/sources/teach10.htm
Dependent Origination --
http://www.buddhistdoor.com/passissue/9606/sources/teach9.htm
How to Meditate?
Online book on Mindfulness Meditation
http://www.realization.org/page/namedoc0/mipe/mipe_0.htm
More if you like...
Six issues of "Buddhist Door" online magazine
http://www.buddhistdoor.com/passissue/9606/sources/bdoor.htm
Robert Epstein
Stumper wrote:
drink tea
listen to music
follow breath
Tang Huyen
Robert Epstein wrote:
> Stumper:
>
> > Now is the time to suggest some easy Zen
> > practice for Ape and Stumper. Stumper has
> > a lot of free time but he is extremely lazy.
> > He just love the idea of zazen but prefers
> > drinking tea while listening to some music.
> > Any suggestions?
>
> drink tea
> listen to music
> follow breath
Wow! Thank you for being such a good stooge, Rob.
Years ago I said that I listened to classical music and
reached moments of coherence and harmony because
of it, and two supposedly seasoned, grooved-in
practitioners blasted me for it. Both got wrecked.
Granted, the coherence and harmony involved are
not Nirvana, but they are happy states that are not
harmful to anybody and don't drive anybody to the
ground, like huge and frequent blow-ups.
Tang Huyen
Akaliko
I have a question to ask. Which hand to hold the prayer wheel, left or
right?
Thanks!
"Tang Huyen" <tanghuyen{delete}@gmail.com[remove]> wrote in message
news:10r8l28...@news.supernews.com...
Dominic
"Tang Huyen" <tanghuyen{delete}@gmail.com[remove]> wrote in message
news:10r8l28...@news.supernews.com...
> reached moments of coherence and harmony because
> of it, and two supposedly seasoned, grooved-in
> practitioners blasted me for it. Both got wrecked.
this form of 'logic' borders on argumentum ad
ignorantium which means that you assume something is
true simply because no one has proven it to be false
it also presupposes direct providential causation and
fails to take into account the myriad of multitudinous
factors involved in any event occurring in spontaneous
subsequent consequence
this also could be coined as cum hoc ergo propter hoc
which is the familiar fallacy of mistaking correlation for
causation
Stumper
>>Stumper has a lot of free time but he is extremely lazy. He just love the
>>idea of zazen but prefers drinking tea while listening to some music. Any
>>suggestions?
>
> Chop wood and carry water. .. Ape;)
While still dragging your heart and intestines on the dirt? That would
be painful. Better sit down and pull the arrow out first.
Stumper
> On Sun, 05 Dec 2004 22:02:40 -0500, Stumper <stu...@newvessel.com> wrote:
>
>>Now is the time to suggest some easy Zen practice for Ape and Stumper.
>>Stumper has a lot of free time but he is extremely lazy. He just love
>>the idea of zazen but prefers drinking tea while listening to some
>>music. Any suggestions?
>
> Being lazy is not the way to zen. Going with the flow
> is pretty much what everybody does but they do it in
> a deluded way. Zen takes effort and sincerity, and
> by that sincerity, effort is eventually overcome through
> insight. Abandoning effort prematurely is existentialism,
> but it can't lift you out of continually harming yourself.
>
> Buddhism is release from suffering through insight.
> It isn't an intellectual process. Intellectual knowing is
> useless as a door to awakening. Tellable Knowledge is
> abstractions about abstractions, ephemeral, changeable,
> doubtful, and superficial.
>
> There is knowledge of the tellable kind, and there is also
> comprehension of the untellable kind. This isn't really so
> mysterious. A picture is worth even more than 1000 words.
> Words can't exhaust or encompass even a picture. Yet we
> can comprehend it wordlessly. We live all the time by
> wordless comprehension, without explanation.
>
> Zen must be comprehended because it can't be 'known'.
>
I agree. ~stumper
> For practice try this online book on 'mindfulness meditation'.
> http://www.realization.org/page/namedoc0/mipe/mipe_0.htm
> ---------------------------------------
> Here's a short list of Zen writings.
> ....
Thanks. Already familiar with most of them. But, I am tired of reading.
Better sit a little.
Bill Pfeifer
You must be very proud of your logic knowledge
Dominic
"Bill Pfeifer" <billp...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:31jj5uF...@individual.net...
your statement borders on argumentium ad ignoratium
in that you are attempting to put forth your assumptions
and suppositional positionalities as a matter of fact or
a matter of course
it also seems to suggest in subtle clichematic tones
argumentium ad hominem in that there is addressing
what may appear to be the character of the person
rather than any ideas that said person is giving in
presentation.
this might also be seen as argumentium ad antiquitatem
owing to the idea that your statement comes from a traditional
viewpoint of a subsequent consequential and linear event
sequence that seems to require judgmental calls to quell
a rising reptilian and rhinoencephaletic defensive posturing
in order to defend a particular mental culture of conceptual
frameworking cage building strategies and agendas.
Tang Huyen
Bill Pfeifer wrote:
> You must be very proud of your logic knowledge
Don't bother, Bill luv. Logic has nothing to do with it.
I just came back, and within hours ma Jen chérie
fastens on my heels and nibbles away lustily, eh?
I knew she was attached to me, but this is a bit too,
ah, revealing.
Le coeur a des raisons que la raison ne connaît pas.
N'est-ce pas, ma chère?
Tang Huyen
Dominic
"Tang Huyen" <tanghuyen{remove}@gmail.com[delete]> wrote in message
news:10r96ec...@news.supernews.com...
> I just came back, and within hours ma Jen chérie
> fastens on my heels and nibbles away lustily, eh?
better fasten your seat belt tang sweety
looks like we have some turbulence up ahead
George W. Cherry
I would have said of his/her cut-and-paste ability.
George W. Cherry
LOL! Are you feisty dog, "Dominic", a fast auto,
or a brewing storm?
George
Bill Pfeifer
Wow!
Are you running some program that generates this stuff?
Bill Pfeifer
>
>
Es tut mir leid, aber ich verstehe kein französisch.
George W. Cherry
I've heard that Phenothiazine helps in some severe
cases of perseveration. Phenothiazine can also curb
word salad in some cases of schizophrenia. (However,
it may cause lip smacking and abnormal postures.)
Check it out with your psychiatrist.
David Kotschessa
I could create a post generator like I did for /.? or whatever
Simply Pick one word or phrase from each column to write your own /*-9
post!
Column 1 Column 2 Column 3 Column 4
unrefined addictionalities waver through
pretentious consciousness transform between
undiscerned discernments begin amid
realized mediocrities are around
undefined proceses
rational inequities
irrational prerequisites
repressed
internal
subconsious
physical
Column 5 Column 6 Column 7 Column 8
vital manifestations of consciousness
electromagnetic clarifications from our existence
physical illusions about one's imagination
chemical contemplation ego
bipartisan silence
pandemic
perspicacious
indescernable
naked_ape
s...@newvessel.com
s...@newvessel.com
Tang Huyen
David Kotschessa wrote:
> I could create a post generator like I did
> for /.? or whatever
>
> Simply Pick one word or phrase from each
> column to write your own /*-9 post!
/*-9 is the same person as Dominic, and a few
weeks ago she posted as "official cult status"
on alt.zen. I don't know her true name, but
often she is called Jen around here (she posted
under that name a few years ago). She's
a granny in Detroit, though she often tries to
pass herself off as a man. She trips up Tara like
nothing. Ben is in love with her though he has
never met her.
Tang Huyen
Stumper
> "Stumper" <stu...@newvessel.com> wrote in message
>>naked_ape wrote:
>>>"Stumper" <stu...@newvessel.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>>>Now is the time to suggest some easy Zen practice for Ape and Stumper.
>>>>Stumper has a lot of free time but he is extremely lazy. He just love
>>>>the idea of zazen but prefers drinking tea while listening to some music.
>>>>Any suggestions?
>>>
>>>Chop wood and carry water. .. Ape;)
>>
>>While still dragging your heart and intestines on the dirt? That would be
>>painful. Better sit down and pull the arrow out first.
>
> No arrow. .. Ape;)
Good for you. Better start grinding the knife to cut off mine.
Keynes
>
>"Keynes" <Key...@earthlinkspam.net> wrote in message
>news:hcn7r0tfc5k1tv0ua...@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 05 Dec 2004 22:02:40 -0500, Stumper <stu...@newvessel.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Now is the time to suggest some easy Zen practice for Ape and Stumper.
>>>Stumper has a lot of free time but he is extremely lazy. He just love
>>>the idea of zazen but prefers drinking tea while listening to some
>>>music. Any suggestions?
>>
>> Being lazy is not the way to zen. Going with the flow
>> is pretty much what everybody does but they do it in
>> a deluded way. Zen takes effort and sincerity, and
>> by that sincerity, effort is eventually overcome through
>> insight.
>
>one you've removed yourself that much further from where you already are.
How imperceptive. But a nice recitation.
>Zen is the present moment, the mind becoming what it observes. Be here now.
>Go with the flow. Let sychronicity be your guide. Ordinary mind is already
>enlightened.
What ignorant bullshit! Everybody is enlightened?
You are stuck in the mud. And loving it.
>Leave it alone. Effort, sincerity and the need to overcome is a
>beautiful woman finding flaws in the mirror that were never there until she
>looked, and yes, what she found was her ego looking. .. Ape;)
>
Hypocrite.
>Abandoning effort prematurely is existentialism,
>> but it can't lift you out of continually harming yourself.
>
>The shortcut to harming yourself is to make life a problem to be solved, not
>a blessing to be experienced. ..
>Ape, sorry you're so unhappy with yourself.)
>
Be sorry. Be very sorry. LOL
>> Buddhism is release from suffering through insight.
>> It isn't an intellectual process. Intellectual knowing is
>> useless as a door to awakening. Tellable Knowledge is
>> abstractions about abstractions, ephemeral, changeable,
>> doubtful, and superficial.
>>
>> There is knowledge of the tellable kind, and there is also
>> comprehension of the untellable kind. This isn't really so
>> mysterious. A picture is worth even more than 1000 words.
>> Words can't exhaust or encompass even a picture. Yet we
>> can comprehend it wordlessly. We live all the time by
>> wordless comprehension, without explanation.
>
>I spent my life taking pictures, but what I don't think you understand is
>the interrelationship between that which is photographed and the
>photographer. As it happens, two become one.
I made a big mistake telling you this.
Now you think you know something.
If you Could overcome your knowing
then you might have something to say...
>When I went on a photo
>assignment, I met the subject matter at the midpoint and let it trip the
>shutter, and in essence, let it visually tell its own story. Go empty,
>Keynes, and come back full. .. Ape.)
>http://tinyurl.com/6n6ay
>
Dueling gurus, eh?
What are you selling today?
My pockets are empty. Come back tomorrow.
naked_ape
>
>>
>>"Keynes" <Key...@earthlinkspam.net> wrote in message
>>news:hcn7r0tfc5k1tv0ua...@4ax.com...
>>> On Sun, 05 Dec 2004 22:02:40 -0500, Stumper <stu...@newvessel.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Now is the time to suggest some easy Zen practice for Ape and Stumper.
>>>>Stumper has a lot of free time but he is extremely lazy. He just love
>>>>the idea of zazen but prefers drinking tea while listening to some
>>>>music. Any suggestions?
>>>
>>> Being lazy is not the way to zen. Going with the flow
>>> is pretty much what everybody does but they do it in
>>> a deluded way. Zen takes effort and sincerity, and
>>> by that sincerity, effort is eventually overcome through
>>> insight.
>>
>>Let go of yourself, Keynes. Stop working so hard at goals. Just by having
>>one you've removed yourself that much further from where you already are.
>
> How imperceptive. But a nice recitation.
As always, beyond an ad hominum attack, you have nothing to say. .. Ape;)
>>Zen is the present moment, the mind becoming what it observes. Be here
>>now.
>>Go with the flow. Let sychronicity be your guide. Ordinary mind is already
>>enlightened.
>
> What ignorant bullshit! Everybody is enlightened?
> You are stuck in the mud. And loving it.
As always, beyond an ad hominum attack, you have nothing to say. .. Ape;)
>>Leave it alone. Effort, sincerity and the need to overcome is a
>>beautiful woman finding flaws in the mirror that were never there until
>>she
>>looked, and yes, what she found was her ego looking. .. Ape;)
>>
>
> Hypocrite.
As always, beyond an ad hominum attack, you have nothing to say. .. Ape;)
>>Abandoning effort prematurely is existentialism,
>>> but it can't lift you out of continually harming yourself.
>>
>>The shortcut to harming yourself is to make life a problem to be solved,
>>not
>>a blessing to be experienced. ..
>>Ape, sorry you're so unhappy with yourself.)
>>
>
> Be sorry. Be very sorry. LOL
As always, beyond an ad hominum attack, you have nothing to say. .. Ape;)
>>> Buddhism is release from suffering through insight.
>>> It isn't an intellectual process. Intellectual knowing is
>>> useless as a door to awakening. Tellable Knowledge is
>>> abstractions about abstractions, ephemeral, changeable,
>>> doubtful, and superficial.
>>>
>>> There is knowledge of the tellable kind, and there is also
>>> comprehension of the untellable kind. This isn't really so
>>> mysterious. A picture is worth even more than 1000 words.
>>> Words can't exhaust or encompass even a picture. Yet we
>>> can comprehend it wordlessly. We live all the time by
>>> wordless comprehension, without explanation.
>>
>>I spent my life taking pictures, but what I don't think you understand is
>>the interrelationship between that which is photographed and the
>>photographer. As it happens, two become one.
>
> I made a big mistake telling you this.
> Now you think you know something.
> If you Could overcome your knowing
> then you might have something to say...
As always, beyond an ad hominum attack, you have nothing to say. .. Ape;)
>>When I went on a photo
>>assignment, I met the subject matter at the midpoint and let it trip the
>>shutter, and in essence, let it visually tell its own story. Go empty,
>>Keynes, and come back full. .. Ape.)
>>http://tinyurl.com/6n6ay
>>
>
> Dueling gurus, eh?
>
> What are you selling today?
> My pockets are empty. Come back tomorrow.
As always, beyond an ad hominum attack, you have nothing to say. .. Ape;)
William Tucker
Ananda
from his hibernation too.
"Akaliko" <france...@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:cp1t91$2a...@imsp212.netvigator.com...
> Hi Tang,
> I have a question to ask. Which hand to hold the prayer wheel, left or
> right?
> Thanks!
>
> "Tang Huyen" <tanghuyen{delete}@gmail.com[remove]> wrote in message
> news:10r8l28...@news.supernews.com...
>>
>>
>> Robert Epstein wrote:
>>
>>> Stumper:
>>>
>>> > Now is the time to suggest some easy Zen
>>> > practice for Ape and Stumper. Stumper has
>>> > a lot of free time but he is extremely lazy.
>>> > He just love the idea of zazen but prefers
>>> > drinking tea while listening to some music.
>>> > Any suggestions?
>>>
>>> drink tea
>>> listen to music
>>> follow breath
>>
>> Wow! Thank you for being such a good stooge, Rob.
>>
>> Years ago I said that I listened to classical music and
>> reached moments of coherence and harmony because
>> of it, and two supposedly seasoned, grooved-in
>> practitioners blasted me for it. Both got wrecked.
>>
>> Granted, the coherence and harmony involved are
>> not Nirvana, but they are happy states that are not
>> harmful to anybody and don't drive anybody to the
>> ground, like huge and frequent blow-ups.
>>
>> Tang Huyen
>>
>
>
Keynes
Nyaah Nyaah Nyaah. So there.
Dominic
just my convoluted imagination
Dominic
"George W. Cherry" <GWCherryHatesG...@alum.mit.edu> wrote in
message news:Oi1td.199745$HA.90553@attbi_s01...
it's all spontaneously dribbling out of my head.
want some more?
Dominic
"Tang Huyen" <tanghuyen{remove}@gmail.com[delete]> wrote in message
news:10r96ec...@news.supernews.com...
> ah, revealing.
/*-9 is the same person as Dominic, and a few
weeks ago she posted as "official cult status"
on alt.zen. I don't know her true name, but
often she is called Jen around here (she posted
under that name a few years ago). She's
a granny in Detroit, though she often tries to
pass herself off as a man. She trips up Tara like
nothing. Ben is in love with her though he has
never met her.
Tang Huyen
i'm attached to you? who's checking every sock i use
and following my every post?
and if i'm not a man, then i've got the world's biggest
clitoris with my ovaries hanging in a sack underneath it
David Kotschessa
That's what this board really needs, is more sexual ambiguity. You should
be "Pat."
Dominic
"David Kotschessa" <da...@somewhere.com> wrote in message
news:2004120709...@meniscus.d0nuts.org...
i'm not the one being sexually absurd here
tang is the one who can't accept the fact that i'm not
a woman because i once posted under the name jen
many years ago
Lee Dillion
Jen seeks refuge in new screen names, but is inevitably revealed by her
babble and her sexual imagery. As I have noted on other occasions, with
minimal tweaking of her "electromagnetic motivation," Jen's "highly
predictable sexual imagery" can be evoked, all to our amusement. I
mean, who doesn't laugh when told by someone that "if i'm not a man,
i've got the world's biggest clitoris with my ovaries hanging in a sack
underneath it."
I think this language is meant to shock the prudes among us (do any
exist?). But when this fails, the babble comes forth, with passages
such as "participation in these discussions is a call from the Supreme
principle. your resistance to it is slowly dissolving away anyway. be
in your beingness and all else will occur spontaneously. seek how it is
that you simply have an ability to *know* and stop identifying with the
food body and its survival agendas."
So sit back and enjoy the ambiguously sexed poster formerly know as Jen.
Male or female - Jen's a good ride.
Julianlzb87
wrote:
It's traditional to have a bearded lady at a freak show.
Julianlzb87
Dominic
"Lee Dillion" <leedi...@yahoo.net> wrote in message
news:31lvlnF...@individual.net...
just tryin' to be entertaining.
god knows if there is anything these newsgroups
need it's some laffs
Dominic
"Julianlzb87" <julia...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ekibr01rg5731s2md...@4ax.com...
so that's why you quit shaving it, eh?
Julianlzb87
wrote:
I quit shaving because I've at least 3 heads.
Julianlzb87
David Kotschessa
That's probably true. I believe you. I'm just saying that now that Tang
has granted sexual ambiguity to you, you might as well fly with it!
David Kotschessa
This is a fun group, that's all I can say. It's kind of like the cast of
Cheers or the crew of Star Trek TNG. Characters.
Lee Dillion
Oh, don't be fooled by the apparent side-show silliness of it all.
Jen's babble is done with a serious purpose - to help others stop
identifying with the "food body and its survival agendas" and enter into
a state of union with the Supreme Being.
Stripped of her makeup, Jen's act differs little from the acts of many
others who post here. They may disagree with the sectarian content of
her dream because it varies from the sectarian content of their dream,
but they do dream. Whether true or not, who knows?
What's your dream?
Lee Dillion
LOL. I prefer to visualize "The Princess Bride."
Dominic
foamy, fizzy and fuzzy?
David Kotschessa
Lee: I challenge you all to a contest of wits!
Cupcake: Yer all witless vajra morons!
Dominic: your addictionalities to participation in contests of ambiguously
measured intelligence factors presupposes that the measure utilized in
such competition is comparitively equitable among -
Angry fetus: Shut up and drink!
{group drops dead except...}
Tang: I have spent a lifetime building an immunity to iocane powder.
Lee Dillion
>>> This is a fun group, that's all I can say. It's kind of like the
>>> cast of Cheers or the crew of Star Trek TNG. Characters.
>> LOL. I prefer to visualize "The Princess Bride."
> Lee: I challenge you all to a contest of wits!
>
> Cupcake: Yer all witless vajra morons!
>
> Dominic: your addictionalities to participation in contests of
> ambiguously measured intelligence factors presupposes that the measure
> utilized in such competition is comparitively equitable among -
>
> Angry fetus: Shut up and drink!
>
> {group drops dead except...}
>
> Tang: I have spent a lifetime building an immunity to iocane powder.
Tang as Wesley?? Inconceivable.
David Kotschessa
On Tue, 7 Dec 2004, Lee Dillion wrote:
Well he's no Andre the Giant.. or is he?
Julianlzb87
wrote:
I want to thrash the antidisestablishmentarianismists
when I'm Arch Bishop of Canterbury.
Julianlzb87
naked_ape
My wife, who's driving, is trying to pass a 12-foot man running down the
middle of the road, his arms waving in the air. He's wearing shorts. There's
snow on the road, but it's okay. We have four-wheel drive. It's night and
the oncoming car has no headlights, but we make it. When we stop at the park
by the river, it's daytime and there's no snow. I have a 9-year old boy at
the end of a leash, and he looks like me. Then there's a dog with her tongue
in my mouth. Oh, it's Doodle, and the alarm is about to go off to wake me
from this dream. Coffee! Ape;)
*
"All we see or seem is but a dream within a dream." Edger Allen Poe
Robert Epstein
Tang Huyen wrote:
>
> Robert Epstein wrote:
>
>
>>Stumper:
>>
>>
>>>Now is the time to suggest some easy Zen
>>>practice for Ape and Stumper. Stumper has
>>>a lot of free time but he is extremely lazy.
>>>He just love the idea of zazen but prefers
>>>drinking tea while listening to some music.
>>>Any suggestions?
>>
>>drink tea
>>listen to music
>>follow breath
>
>
> Wow! Thank you for being such a good stooge, Rob.
>
> Years ago I said that I listened to classical music and
> reached moments of coherence and harmony because
> of it, and two supposedly seasoned, grooved-in
> practitioners blasted me for it. Both got wrecked.
>
> Granted, the coherence and harmony involved are
> not Nirvana, but they are happy states that are not
> harmful to anybody and don't drive anybody to the
> ground, like huge and frequent blow-ups.
>
> Tang Huyen
>
Well, I'll continue in my point of view, although I won't consider
myself a "stooge" for doing so. All statements made on my own behalf
express only the opinions of Robert Epstein and any affiliated companies
which may choose to accord with him for reasons of their own.
I think there is something in classical music, attended intently, as
well as other forms of art, that definitely put the mind in a salutary
direction. If they aren't "zen" they are at least precursors. And who
knows at what point one might cross over while doing anything at all
that allows the mind to go past ordinary chatter.
Brahms in particular seems to have a benificent affect. Symphonies 3
and 4, as well as various string concertos.... Beethoven's violin
sonatas also good.....
Robert
Keynes
Thank God she missed me.
>the oncoming car has no headlights, but we make it. When we stop at the park
>by the river, it's daytime and there's no snow. I have a 9-year old boy at
>the end of a leash, and he looks like me. Then there's a dog with her tongue
>in my mouth. Oh, it's Doodle, and the alarm is about to go off to wake me
>from this dream. Coffee! Ape;)
>*
>"All we see or seem is but a dream within a dream." Edger Allen Poe
>
True.
In a previous life I was a door stop.
Oh wait. That's this one.
David Kotschessa
Jazz improvisation (or any improvisation I guess) definately has a notable
effect, since to do it sincerely one must be able to spontaneously
communicate musical ideas without judging their value. This requires some
letting go of ego. I know one player, one of the best improvisors I've
ever known, who says that for him, every note he plays brings him complete
joy.
Ego is my biggest block in my improvisations, becuase it is hard to stop
judging whether or not what I'm playing is any good. Buy the time I have
made any such judgement I have missed the moment.
-D
Tang Huyen
Dominic wrote:
> and if i'm not a man, then i've got the
> world's biggest clitoris with my ovaries
> hanging in a sack underneath it
If so, my dear, with your unusual features
you're qualified to be a prophet and to start
a new religion.
May you shine your light on the manyfolk,
for generations to come!
Tang Huyen
Dominic
what a card.
Tang Huyen
Dominic wrote:
> "Tang Huyen"
>
> > Dominic:
>
> > > and if i'm not a man, then i've got the
> > > world's biggest clitoris with my ovaries
> > > hanging in a sack underneath it
>
> > If so, my dear, with your unusual features
> > you're qualified to be a prophet and to start
> > a new religion.
> >
> > May you shine your light on the manyfolk,
> > for generations to come!
>
> what a card.
It takes some work to hang in there with you
luv.
Tang Huyen
julianlzb87
Julianlzb87
possum
or phil.
>
>
Bmitch
Great for him; what about his audience?
Virtually all the free jazz improvisation I've heard just collapses into
tedious runs up and down the scale with all the virtuosity in the
fingering speed. This is particularly so with brass and woodwinds.
Musical mud pies, as often as not, though I grant that squodging around
with mud can be a satisfying activity for the squodger.
> Ego is my biggest block in my improvisations, becuase it is hard to stop
> judging whether or not what I'm playing is any good. Buy the time I have
> made any such judgement I have missed the moment.
Does it occur to you that playing just in order to generate satisfactory
emotional sensations for yourself is pretty egoic anyway? A musician
without a listener seems sort of sterile to me; and if your major
concern is your own in-the-musical-moment experience, isn't that just
using the listener (if there is one) as a reflecting surface?
There's a zen point here, too: are you practicing for yourself? To feel
joy in your own expression?
Brian Mitchell
Robert Epstein
Tang Huyen wrote:
>
> David Kotschessa wrote:
>
>
>>I could create a post generator like I did
>>for /.? or whatever
>>
>>Simply Pick one word or phrase from each
>>column to write your own /*-9 post!
>
>
> /*-9 is the same person as Dominic, and a few
> weeks ago she posted as "official cult status"
> on alt.zen. I don't know her true name, but
> often she is called Jen around here (she posted
> under that name a few years ago). She's
> a granny in Detroit, though she often tries to
> pass herself off as a man. She trips up Tara like
> nothing. Ben is in love with her though he has
> never met her.
>
> Tang Huyen
>
>
how do you find these things out?
robert
Dominic
"Robert Epstein" <r.ep...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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he's rumored to have crystal balls
Tang Huyen
Dominic wrote:
> "Robert Epstein"
>
> > how do you find these things out?
>
> he's rumored to have crystal balls
Heaven forbid, Jen, are you using yours
on me?
How about letting yours and mine
reflect each other, eh?
On a clear day ...
Tang Huyen
Lee Dillion
>
> Dominic wrote:
>
>
>>crystal balls are old hat.
>>i use a black scrying mirror
>>which i got with my illuminati templar
>>annunaki discount coupons
>>
>>phantasmagoria at a discount.
>>ya' can't beat it.
>
>
> OMG, with your overbrimming
> imagination why would you need
> such a prop? And if your imagination
> happens to fail, doesn't Brahman
> step in to inspire you?
When you have let go of your survival agendas and unite with the Supreme
Being, inspiration becomes a category error since the imagination and
the being are One.
Dominic
crystal balls are old hat.
Tang Huyen
Dominic wrote:
> crystal balls are old hat.
> i use a black scrying mirror
> which i got with my illuminati templar
> annunaki discount coupons
>
> phantasmagoria at a discount.
> ya' can't beat it.
OMG, with your overbrimming
imagination why would you need
such a prop? And if your imagination
happens to fail, doesn't Brahman
step in to inspire you?
Tang Huyen
Dominic
brahman is simply the totality of
phenomenal illusion masquerading
as the physical reality, the dance of shiva,
if you will, just conceptual designations
for communication on the physical plane.
if your take is to see phenomenality
in all directions you will tend to be
taken in by it and identify with it
if however you are able to see
the noumenon in all directions
you find the notion of relative
boddhichitta mirroring an absolute
boddhichitta
not this nor that, yet both and
neither at the same time and yet
no time at all
Dominic
absolute reasoning filters in no matter
how much relativism tries to stop it.
Lee Dillion
LOL. Keep 'em coming.
Dominic
judgement calls as to what may be seen
through one's filtering agendas as being humorous
tend to show that without those filtering agendas
the same humor may be quite droll and humorless.
it may be up to the filterer to notice that these filters are
indeed just one's false phenomenal ego at play and
the humor actually lies in the one who accepts these
filtering agendas and not in the content that was judged
by the filtering to be any type of designation whatsoever.
you're actually just laughing at yourself but since these
filtering agendas have you buffaloed, you tend to think
that it is the content of your judgement that has a specific
meaning when it is just your filters which you tend to find
humorous and these filters are only you.
Lee Dillion
hehe. Even better. You have not lost your touch for babble.
Robert Epstein
David Kotschessa wrote:
>
> On Tue, 7 Dec 2004, Dominic wrote:
>
>>
>> "Tang Huyen" <tanghuyen{remove}@gmail.com[delete]> wrote in message
>> news:10r96ec...@news.supernews.com...
>>
>>> I knew she was attached to me, but this is a bit too,
>>> ah, revealing.
>>
>>
>>
>> /*-9 is the same person as Dominic, and a few
>> weeks ago she posted as "official cult status"
>> on alt.zen. I don't know her true name, but
>> often she is called Jen around here (she posted
>> under that name a few years ago). She's
>> a granny in Detroit, though she often tries to
>> pass herself off as a man. She trips up Tara like
>> nothing. Ben is in love with her though he has
>> never met her.
>>
>> Tang Huyen
>>
>>
>> i'm attached to you? who's checking every sock i use
>> and following my every post?
>>
>> and if i'm not a man, then i've got the world's biggest
>> clitoris with my ovaries hanging in a sack underneath it
>
>
> That's what this board really needs, is more sexual ambiguity. You
> should be "Pat."
>
>
on dominic/jen's level, there is no gender.
but for some reason s/he's horny anyway!
it's a cosmic paradox.
[wanna buy a para dox?]
- Robert
Robert Epstein
Lee Dillion wrote:
> Julianlzb87 wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 08:15:10 -0700, Lee Dillion <leedi...@yahoo.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> David Kotschessa wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 7 Dec 2004, Dominic wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> "Tang Huyen" <tanghuyen{remove}@gmail.com[delete]> wrote in message
>>>>> news:10r96ec...@news.supernews.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I knew she was attached to me, but this is a bit too,
>>>>>> ah, revealing.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> /*-9 is the same person as Dominic, and a few
>>>>> weeks ago she posted as "official cult status"
>>>>> on alt.zen. I don't know her true name, but
>>>>> often she is called Jen around here (she posted
>>>>> under that name a few years ago). She's
>>>>> a granny in Detroit, though she often tries to
>>>>> pass herself off as a man. She trips up Tara like
>>>>> nothing. Ben is in love with her though he has
>>>>> never met her.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tang Huyen
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> i'm attached to you? who's checking every sock i use
>>>>> and following my every post?
>>>>>
>>>>> and if i'm not a man, then i've got the world's biggest
>>>>> clitoris with my ovaries hanging in a sack underneath it
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That's what this board really needs, is more sexual ambiguity. You
>>>> should be "Pat."
>>>
>>>
>>> Jen seeks refuge in new screen names, but is inevitably revealed by
>>> her babble and her sexual imagery. As I have noted on other
>>> occasions, with minimal tweaking of her "electromagnetic motivation,"
>>> Jen's "highly
>>> predictable sexual imagery" can be evoked, all to our amusement. I
>>> mean, who doesn't laugh when told by someone that "if i'm not a man,
>>> i've got the world's biggest clitoris with my ovaries hanging in a
>>> sack underneath it."
>>>
>>> I think this language is meant to shock the prudes among us (do any
>>> exist?). But when this fails, the babble comes forth, with passages
>>> such as "participation in these discussions is a call from the
>>> Supreme principle. your resistance to it is slowly dissolving away
>>> anyway. be in your beingness and all else will occur spontaneously.
>>> seek how it is that you simply have an ability to *know* and stop
>>> identifying with the food body and its survival agendas."
>>>
>>> So sit back and enjoy the ambiguously sexed poster formerly know as
>>> Jen. Male or female - Jen's a good ride.
>
>
>> It's traditional to have a bearded lady at a freak show.
>
>
> Oh, don't be fooled by the apparent side-show silliness of it all. Jen's
> babble is done with a serious purpose - to help others stop identifying
> with the "food body and its survival agendas" and enter into a state of
> union with the Supreme Being.
>
> Stripped of her makeup, Jen's act differs little from the acts of many
> others who post here. They may disagree with the sectarian content of
> her dream because it varies from the sectarian content of their dream,
> but they do dream. Whether true or not, who knows?
>
> What's your dream?
>
>
>
I dream of a stark, hard world, where meat and matter are all that
matter, and where everything else is an illusion. Trodding uphill,
feeling my muscles work, I know that there is nothing but sensation. I
have no mentation, nor do I identify with any arising in any moment. I
am free to be among the undifferentiated objects, none of which are self
or non-self.
And then I wake up! <whew>
Robert
Tang Huyen
Bmitch wrote:
> Does it occur to you that playing just in order
> to generate satisfactory emotional sensations
> for yourself is pretty egoic anyway? A musician
> without a listener seems sort of sterile to me;
> and if your major concern is your own
> in-the-musical-moment experience, isn't that
> just using the listener (if there is one) as a
> reflecting surface?
You mean, such a musician is stroking himself
in public, the way some people on these boards
dump themselves in public?
By the way, there can conversely be great
communication when a musician forgets about
the audience and just plays all in his own little
world. He is absorbed in his playing and isn't
aware of anybody listening on. He puts himself
into the music, and puts so much of himself into
the music that there is just the music and no him.
All one hears is, say, Bach and no Szeryng.
It is about such occasion that people say that
music (or literature, poetry, painting, etc.) is the
means for one to transcend one's limitations,
whatever they are. One redeems oneself in such
a moment, whatever kind of villain one is
otherwise.
Which is why I am amazed at people who
condemn Wagner's music because of his alleged
anti-Semitism. However vile (or not) he was in
his life outside of music, he redeemed himself by
his music. That's all that should concern music
lovers. His deplorable ethics, if taken into
account at all, shoud only make one appreciate
his music *more*.
> There's a zen point here, too: are you practicing
> for yourself? To feel joy in your own expression?
All wrong, my dear. If any experience is to be
Buddhist or Zen at all, it is devoid of self and
what-belongs-to-self. That's the defining
characteristic of Buddhism and Zen.
There was an apposite exchange recently in
the Tibetan board on this point, a classic.
Somebody:
<<my teacher always uses the term "conflicting
emotions">>
nihsvabhava:
<<****, is your "teacher" a self-improvement one
or a "teacher" of the Buddha's path to liberation?
The Buddha's teachings is not for dealing with "this
emotion of mine conflicting with that emotion," but
the "mine" in the sentence...
Shudder.>>
Tang Huyen
********************************
Subject: Re: New To Buddhism
Date: 1 Dec 2004 18:20:57 -0800
From: om.tare.tuta...@gmail.com (nihsvabhava)
Organization: http://groups.google.com
Newsgroups: alt.religion.buddhism.tibetan
****, is your "teacher" a self-improvement one or a
"teacher" of the Buddha's path to liberation?
The Buddha's teachings is not for dealing with "this
emotion of mine conflicting with that emotion," but
the "mine" in the sentence...
Shudder.
nih
"****" <****@****> wrote in
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> my teacher always uses the term "conflicting emotions"
Bmitch
> . . . there can conversely be great
> communication when a musician forgets about
> the audience and just plays all in his own little
> world. He is absorbed in his playing and isn't
> aware of anybody listening on. He puts himself
> into the music, and puts so much of himself into
> the music that there is just the music and no him.
> All one hears is, say, Bach and no Szeryng.
> It is about such occasion that people say that
> music (or literature, poetry, painting, etc.) is the
> means for one to transcend one's limitations,
> whatever they are...
I've pondered this. I'd say that what you describe is self-forgetting
which, even if one is not a talented performer but just a member of the
audience, can happen when one is drawn into a play or piece of music,
and in even more mundane situations. I doubt that this could properly be
called transcendence, though. It is thought concentrated and absorbed,
not thought absent.
There can be spontaneity and fluidity of response in self-forgetting,
which might approximate "letting the situation act you," because
inhibiting reflexivity is in temporary abeyance. But those responses can
still be compulsive and narrow; losing one's temper is also a form of
self-forgetting.
Brian Mitchell
Tang Huyen
Bmitch wrote:
> I've pondered this. I'd say that what you
> describe is self-forgetting which, even if
> one is not a talented performer but just a
> member of the audience, can happen
> when one is drawn into a play or piece
> of music, and in even more mundane
> situations. I doubt that this could properly
> be called transcendence, though. It is
> thought concentrated and absorbed,
> not thought absent.
>
> There can be spontaneity and fluidity of
> response in self-forgetting, which might
> approximate "letting the situation act
> you," because inhibiting reflexivity is in
> temporary abeyance. But those responses
> can still be compulsive and narrow; losing
> one's temper is also a form of
> self-forgetting.
The difference is whether such a
self-forgetting induces coherence and
harmony (as in music, whether performed
or listened) or conflict and strain (as in
temper tantrums).
The people who blow up feel an enhanced
sense of life at the moment of the blow-ups,
and their followers and supporters also feel
an enhanced sense of life vicariously, which
is why they together spur each other on in
blow-ups for mutual exploitation, but all of
them slowly and inevitably lose something
each time, and such loss can add up and
remain for good. It's the herd instinct run
amok. The frenzy of it -- the mob
psychology -- can resemble a train wreck.
The coherence and harmony, as in music,
on the contrary prolong life, and need not
involve any herd instinct. One can well
take a ride on Klemperer's conducting,
and the blended sound of an orchestra
(say, a German-Austrian orchestra playing
Richard Strauss) can well serve as a sheet
of sound -- an auditory magic carpet -- which
can transport one to heaven.
The religious peace and harmony, as taught
in Stoicism and Daoism, are just the same
coherence and harmony but pushed farther
and sustained more frequently. Pushed
farther still and you have Buddhist Nirvana,
which is aesthetic contemplation without
thought, and therefore without products of
thought, like the self.
Tang Huyen
possum
"Dominic" <syn...@emaill.com> wrote in message
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that's very interesting. thanks.
psm
possum
you're in a good mood, Lee. i can picture you having a good chortle over
Kant's CPR. : ) lol!
dominic seems to have made an excellent point here. i look forward to your
rebuttal, when you've stopped hooting.
psm
Dominic
> By the way, there can conversely be great
> communication when a musician forgets about
> the audience and just plays all in his own little
> world. He is absorbed in his playing and isn't
> aware of anybody listening on. He puts himself
> into the music, and puts so much of himself into
> the music that there is just the music and no him.
> All one hears is, say, Bach and no Szeryng.
any seasoned musician can do this naturally.
years ago when i played in public i could at times
easily forget the audience and get lost completely
in the music, but until you are actually up there on
stage with a crowd of people cheering you on and that subtle
yet obvious energy between you and the audience
that can make you feel as if your feet are a couple of inches
above the ground, you won't understand how difficult
it really can be to completely forget the audience
that you are performing for at times.
> It is about such occasion that people say that
> music (or literature, poetry, painting, etc.) is the
> means for one to transcend one's limitations,
> whatever they are. One redeems oneself in such
> a moment, whatever kind of villain one is
> otherwise.
when i do oil painting, i somehow completely
transcend any notions of facing my mortality
and the smell of certain paints, particularly
alizarin crimson and cobalt blue trigger some
type of primordial subconscious stirrings
that i have no explanation for.
Dominic
> The difference is whether such a
> self-forgetting induces coherence and
> harmony (as in music, whether performed
> or listened) or conflict and strain (as in
> temper tantrums).
you seem to be missing a great deal of the
variety of emotional excesses which flesh out
into a myriad of differing creative expressions.
if you are convinced that music only comes from
sweet harmonies you have completely misunderstood
the origins of music and other creative expressions
in that any and all emotional sojourns are not only
translated into music but also art and literature.
limiting creative expression to only harmonious emotional
expression is like taking the rowboat when the luxury
liner is already gassed up and ready to go.
Dominic
"possum" <pos...@nospace42.fslife.co.uk> wrote in message
news:cp8acd$rfg$1...@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...
lee won't debate my words. his take is
to simply make light of them.
as if they weren't light enough already.
George W. Cherry
And when you write sonnets and epic poems,
how does that make you feel?
Dominic
"George W. Cherry" <GWCherryHatesG...@alum.mit.edu> wrote in
message news:ZWRtd.733667$8_6.684886@attbi_s04...
haven't written a sonnet but have written many song
lyrics which are poems. the creative expression
in all cases gives one a good dose of
conceptual immortality.
Tang Huyen
Dominic wrote:
> "Tang Huyen"
>
> > By the way, there can conversely be great
> > communication when a musician forgets about
> > the audience and just plays all in his own little
> > world. He is absorbed in his playing and isn't
> > aware of anybody listening on. He puts himself
> > into the music, and puts so much of himself into
> > the music that there is just the music and no him.
> > All one hears is, say, Bach and no Szeryng.
>
> any seasoned musician can do this naturally.
> years ago when i played in public i could at times
> easily forget the audience and get lost completely
> in the music, but until you are actually up there on
> stage with a crowd of people cheering you on and
> that subtle yet obvious energy between you and
> the audience that can make you feel as if your feet
> are a couple of inches above the ground, you won't
> understand how difficult it really can be to
> completely forget the audience that you are
> performing for at times.
I used to go to concerts in Boston, by either the
local musicians (like the famous Boston Symphony
Orchestra) or visiting musicians (like those from
Europe, the Berlin Philharmonic, the Vienna
Philharmonic, the London Symphony Orchestra,
etc.). Of course the ensembles could be much
smaller and less well-known, but there seemed
to be a consistent difference, a difference in
attitudes.
The European musicians take it to be an honour
for them to play the music, whereas the local
musicians take it an honour to the music to be
played by them. The former play reverently,
the latter in sang froid. The former strive to
rise to the music, almost in religious fervour.
The latter play down to the music, as if it was
a dirty joke. The relative absence and presence
of self, even in the collective, is obvious. With
my eyes closed I can still tell the difference.
Perhaps the existence and absence of history
may have something to do with it.
Tang Huyen
Julianlzb87
On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 00:24:06 -0500, "Dominic" <syn...@emaill.com>
wrote:
Any paintings online?
Julianlzb87
Julianlzb87
wrote:
Any lyrics for perusal?
Julianlzb87
Dominic
"Julianlzb87" <julia...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:j4kgr01hjdnqknvlq...@4ax.com...
nope. just in my living room and dining room.
it's curious too, because of all the
different means of creative expression
i enjoy, playing several musical instruments,
writing songs, writing books and oil painting,
when someone hasn't seen me in a while, the
first thing they usually ask about is whether
or not i've been doing any painting lately.
Julianlzb87
Dominic
When You Come Up For Air
The dollar's apolitical, it candles notion swift
To blush the molten mania, it wanes sardonic wit,
It tables eccentricity and lamely ordered bliss
To amplify the scorn of accidental genesis
The cradle whispers in the breeze, the sense of tone is bare,
The scenery is upside down when you come up for air
A portion of our vanity is thrill obscurity
To weather all the phobia we drive the need to be,
Into the wish confusion which will taper past our style,
That earns the right to pattern on the last endearing smile,
The lightning strikes the same old pose, the conflict doesn't dare,
The winds of habit blow your way when you come up for air
To waste our sins of presence we will blade the morbid sound
Of pointless critic pleasure that can crest the dream aground,
The subject of our bland desire can prose the fortune shame,
And stale the open quarter chime with self inflicted stains
The motive patience will reverse, the memory is rare
The tension can be cut like ice when you come up for air.
The missing strain is tempted to infer a squall approach
Engaging its pretension braving wise to temper's coach
Appearing to be blameless God above will cloud his guilt
Among the quiet questions of our blind emotion quilt
The deaf and dumb react at large but can't pretend to care
You'll suffocate your sanity when you come up for air
To arson the desire you can fault the latent point
That preens the cold assailant with a purpose to anoint
The empire that is damned to pride by undeserving blood
That spills the unnamed passions in its true recurring flood
The elegance is hiding in the truth of fiction lair
The storm is just arriving now as you come up for air
Confession titled grimly wages faces at the norm
It traces soul forgiving by its calculated storm
To wear the sample distance all the hopeless disagree
That torment waxes sighs to range the human tapestry
To blend the minor tragedy they constitute what's fair
The maze of self is winding down as you come up for air
Your false concern is credible, it waives a solemn twist
By broaching all the menace with its sympathy at risk
Its liesure rivals appetites for brandishing the mood
That swells the claim by bravery defining to allude,
To what we know and reason, to answer how and where
You'll lose your sense of balance here as you come up for air
Contain the prior failure with the key to random art
To hold the love in awe until the magic warms my heart
That locked among the promises are reasons to avoid
The verse beyond the images that scatter celluloid
The destinies that arc the mind command the eyes to stare
You'll blame the view for lack of trust as you come up for air
Dominic
a book i had published is now out of print
but when i'm feeling generous i do send out
copies for free
you can email me at ish...@netzero.net
if you'd like a copy
Noah Sombrero
scratched in the sand:
>Contain the prior failure with the key to random art
>To hold the love in awe until the magic warms my heart
>That locked among the promises are reasons to avoid
>The verse beyond the images that scatter celluloid
>The destinies that arc the mind command the eyes to stare
>You'll blame the view for lack of trust as you come up for air
Yep, there is rhythm and rhyme.
such .... unpoetical ... poetry. Maybe the thing I am missing
is a sense of beauty.
Noah Sombrero
Found carved in the tree that fell in the forest
where nobody could hear:
Poetry builds a truth out of many small lies.
Politics buils a lie out of many small truths.
The opposite of a false statement is a correct statement.
The opposite of a profound truth, may well be another
profound truth.
George W. Cherry
Oh. I had figured "conceptual immortality" was from
your sculptures.
George W. Cherry
You're projecting.
> The former strive to
> rise to the music, almost in religious fervour.
> The latter play down to the music, as if it was
> a dirty joke. The relative absence and presence
> of self, even in the collective, is obvious. With
> my eyes closed I can still tell the difference.
Oh my god! What patent bullshit. Stick to
your usual scripts.
> Perhaps the existence and absence of history
> may have something to do with it.
You're a crazy fucker, Tang. But fun!
You were joking, right?
(You couldn't be serious.)
> Tang Huyen
>
George W. Cherry
Have you written any fiction lately?
(Not counting your recent posts?)
Evelyn Ruut
he's seriously crazy.......;-)
--
Regards,
Evelyn
(to reply to me personally, remove 'sox")
>
Julianlzb87
she's seriously crazy :-(
Julianlzb87
Tang Huyen
Julianlzb87 wrote:
> "Evelyn Ruut"
>
> >"George W. Cherry"
>
> >> You're a crazy fucker, Tang. But fun!
> >> You were joking, right?
> >> (You couldn't be serious.)
>
> >he's seriously crazy.......;-)
>
> she's seriously crazy :-(
Ah! The company I keep!
Tang Huyen