On Tue, 4 Dec 2012 03:09:08 -0800 (PST), Rupert <
rupertm...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>On Dec 3, 10:16Â pm, Goo wrote:
>> On 12/3/2012 1:12 PM, Rupert wrote:
>> > On Dec 3, 9:59 pm, Goo wrote:
>> >> On 12/3/2012 12:56 PM, Rupert wrote:
>>
>> >>> On Dec 3, 6:42 pm, Goo wrote:
>> >>>> On 12/3/2012 9:21 AM, Rupert wrote:
>>
>> >>>>> On Dec 3, 5:53 pm, Goo wrote:
>> >>>>>> It's all about *Goo*; nothing about animals.
>>
>> >>>>> What do you think the best objections to animal rights are?
>>
>> >>>> That its core premises about the "rights" and/or moral considerability
>> >>>> of animals are completely and irremediably wrong.
>>
>> >>> Okay. So what are these core premises that you have in mind?
>>
>> >> We've been over all this before; now you're just trying to waste my
>> >> time.
>>
>> > No, I'm not; I'm trying to get you to fulfil your obligation to state
>> > your view clearly.
>>
>> No, you're not - you're trying to waste my time. Â I have discussed
>> everything about this, in detail and with you specifically, many times
>> over the years. Â You know everything I think on it. Â Now, you're just
>> trying to waste my time. Â Fuck off, bitch.
>>
>
>I'm sorry that you regard it as a waste of time to try to defend your
>views.
Here is how the Goober feels about livestock, which is the way all
eliminationists feel:
"It is morally wrong, in an absolute sense - unjust, in other
words - if humans kill animals they don't need to kill, i.e. not
in self defense. There's your answer. " - Goo
"Life "justifying" death is the
stupidest goddamned thing you ever wrote." - Goo
"NO livestock benefit from being farmed." - Goo
"No farm animals benefit from farming." - Goo
"There is nothing to "appreciate" about the livestock "getting
to experience life" - Goo
"Shut the fuck up about "consideration" for "their lives"" - Goo
"the nutritionally unnecessary choice deliberately to kill an animal
ALWAYS causes a moral harm greater in magnitude than . . . the
moral "benefit" realized by the animal in existing at all" - Goo
"the moral harm caused by killing them is greater in magnitude
than ANY benefit they might derive from "decent lives" - Goo
"no matter how "decent" the conditions are, the deliberate killing
of the animals erases all of it." - Goo
"it is not "better" that the animal exist, no matter
its quality of live" - Goo
"It is not "better" in any moral way, and not in *any* way
at all to the animal itself, that the animal exists." - Goo
"logically one MUST
conclude that not raising them in the first place is the
ethically superior choice." - Goo
"People who don't want them to exist should be "vegans".
"Vegans" aren't interested in contributing to lives of any
quality for farm animals: they don't want there to be farm
animals." - Goo
""Veg*nism" certainly doesn't harm any living farm animals.
And if everyone adopted "veg*nism", no farm animals would
live in bad conditions." - Goo
"you MUST believe that it makes moral sense not
to raise the animals as the only way to prevent the harm that
results from killing them." - Goo
""Getting to experience life" has no significance." - Goo
"the "getting to experience life" deserves NO moral
consideration, and is given none; the deliberate killing
of animals for use by humans DOES deserve moral
consideration, and gets it." - Goo
""giving them life" does NOT mitigate the wrongness of
their deaths" - Goo
"Causing animals to be born and "get to experience life"
(in Fuckwit's wretched prose) is no mitigation at all for
killing them." - Goo
>> >> Â You asked what I think are the best objections to "ar", and I
>> >> gave you my answer.
>>
>> > You gave me a partial answer, and refused to clarify it any further.
>>
>> Yes, because you already know my objections and the reasons for them in
>> great detail.
>
>I've got some idea of what your objections would be. I don't know in
>great detail.
We see that Goo supports acceptance of elimination, but we see no opposition
to it even when the stupid Goober is challenged directly to try to come up with
some. As I've pointed out countless times, the goos all appear to be
eliminationisits, 2 out of 3 of them lying about it. Actually YOU have PRETENDED
to be more AW minded than Goo ever has by muttering things you don't believe
like:
"I said to David Harrison that there exist some farmed animals such
that it would be a better outcome for them to live the life they do
rather than for them not to live at all and for no animals to live
in their place." - Rupert
"there exist some farmed animals such that it would be
a better outcome for them to live the life they do rather
than for them not to live at all and for no animals to live
in their place." - Rupert
"I accept that some nonhuman animals who are raised for food on farms
have lives which are such that it is better that they live that life
than that they not live at all" - Rupert
>As far as your performance in this thread goes, you are in the same
>boat as David Harrison: you haven't presented any kind of serious
>objection to animal rights philosophy.
What I point out should be significant for people who have not yet decided
and for people who honestly favor decent AW over elimination. For people who
have already put their faith in elimination and won't consider moving on to
something superior, the lives of billions of animals are meaningless as they are
to you and the goos.