How many floors are there in the Heavenly realm?
tttt
Jesus is living in which floor now?
RaaN
wrote:
> How many floors are there in the Heavenly realm?
> Jesus is living in which floor now?
There are no floors in the heavenly realm and Jesus is frimly footed.
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RaaN
tttt
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buddhapest
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is frimly footed how he was
able to walk on water?
buddhapest
is frimly footed how he was
tttt
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> How many floors are there in the Heavenly realm?
> Jesus is living in which floor now?
in other word.
How many sub-skies are there in the Heavenly realm?
How many sub-skies are there in the God realm?
Jesus is living in which one now?
Anyone know?
Someone know?
stumper
Why do you need to know these things?
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~Stumper
tttt
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In fact,
I know the answer(100% buddhism view)
I hope that someone can post the answer in English .
Have you heared of "Heaven of Desire Realm"?
Have you heared of "Heaven of Form Realm"?
Have you heared of "Heaven of formless realm?
Have you heared of "The heavens of the first dhyana"?
stumper
Nobody here seems to care about you questions.
I am interested in figuring out
what it is that awakens.
How about you?
--
~Stumper
tttt
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stumper
Some are not, I think.
Here we mainly talk about suffering
and how to end suffering by awakening.
Are you suffering much?
--
~Stumper
tttt
>> "stumper" wrote:
You are suffering much.
stumper
>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>> tttt wrote:
>>>>>>> "tttt"
How did you stop suffering?
--
~Stumper
Lifeform
"stumper" <stu...@newvessel.com> wrote in message
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> tttt wrote:
>> "tttt" <Confucianism_t...@pursuer.com>
>> ??????:erscjq$sdh$1...@news.yaako.com...
>>> How many floors are there in the Heavenly realm?
>>> Jesus is living in which floor now?
>>
>> in other word.
>>
>> How many sub-skies are there in the Heavenly realm?
>> How many sub-skies are there in the God realm?
>>
>> Jesus is living in which one now?
>>
>> Anyone know?
>> Someone know?
>
> Why do you need to know these things?
>
> --
> ~Stumper
Jesus goes up and he comes back down. Actually he starts where we're at,
then he goes down, and he goes up to Heaven and he comes back down and then
he goes back up again...I think.
Do you think we should kill Jesus?
Robert Epstein
> tttt wrote:
>
>> "stumper" <stu...@newvessel.com> 写入消息新闻:-_ydnYt-
>> 56CUF37YnZ2d...@ptd.net...
If you're trying to figure that out
you're still in the head of unawakening.
can't get there from here.
rather than figuring it out, you might want to increase the
effectiveness of your practice.
robert
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stumper
Are you trying to offend some people here?
Mind your manners,
and tell me what it is that awakens, please.
--
~Stumper
stumper
Do you have a blind faith or something?
What makes you believe anyone has awakened?
--
~Stumper
tttt
>>>
>>> Are you suffering much?
>>>
>> While you are thinging/talking/discussing suffering.
>> You are suffering much.
>
> How did you stop suffering?
>
We are living in the "five defilements" of the world"
Being=suffering
Try to end/stop suffering is stupid.
No self, No pain.
contrarily,
Stress and magnify suffering shows there is a long way off realized.
The only way that can thoroughly to throw off suffering is understand and
disengage "death and life"
-----disengage the circle of The six destinies.
How to do?
From where to disengage the circle of The six destinies?
Which way is the short-cut?
So, To know the six destinies first is necessary.
especially the God realm.
My question is significative!!!
Noel Friesen
> Robert Epstein wrote:
>> stumper wrote:
>>
>>> tttt wrote:
>>>
>>>> 56CUF37YnZ2d...@ptd.net...
>>>>
>>>>> tttt wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "tttt" <Confucianism_t...@pursuer.com> ??????:
Staats Fasoldt
RaaN
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> A buddhist wouldn't give me an answer like your.
>
> ??????:1172438230.853871.39...@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Feb 25, 11:13 am, "tttt" <Confucianism_taoism_Buddh...@pursuer.com>
> > wrote:
> >> How many floors are there in the Heavenly realm?
> >> Jesus is living in which floor now?
>
> > There are no floors in the heavenly realm and Jesus is frimly footed.
> > --
>
> - Show quoted text -
It was more of a Zen answer than a Buddhist answer,
The is a Zen Philosophy group not a Buddhist group as such and your
question is
best asked elsewhere amongst those who think such things matter. Good
luck never finding the answer or anyone who knows it. Learn instead
how to walk on floorless floors.
--
RaaN
RaaN
> "RaaN" <raan2...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
yah he walked on the frim lol shaddap :)
buddhapest
would that be a walkless walk
from a learnless learn due to an
insteadless instead when frimly
footing one's selfless self?
stumper
It is also possible to lose self
by simply being mindful for a while.
Where did you get your self-righteous attitude?
--
~Stumper
stumper
Have you seen the Buddha yet?
--
~Stumper
Noel Friesen
that's a tricky question. Please don't tempt me.
stumper
Are you easily tempted?
--
~Stumper
Tang Huyen
Noel Friesen wrote:
> "stumper"
>
> > Have you seen the Buddha yet?
>
> that's a tricky question. Please don't tempt me.
Please expound on what you have seen, or have
not seen, or whatever.
Tang Huyen
Robert Epstein
perfect blind faith
as clear as sunlight
stumper
Noel Friesen
depends on the situation and the temptation. My mind is not pure. I may(or
may not) see things clearly but flesh and ego are still up to their old
tricks.
Noel Friesen
"Tang Huyen" <tanghuyen{delete}@gmail.com[remove]> wrote in message
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What I have seen or not seen of buddha cannot be expressed.
Noel Friesen
> Robert Epstein wrote:
>> stumper wrote:
>>
>>> Robert Epstein wrote:
>>>
>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> tttt wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> 56CUF37YnZ2d...@ptd.net...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> tttt wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "tttt" <Confucianism_t...@pursuer.com> ??????:
Reason is a dead letter. faith is blind. Where is the middle way?
Robert Epstein
The answer to faith is not "mere" atheism. It must speak to that which
makes faith necessary, not just possible.
Robert
Robert Epstein
things should be taken in context.
stumper
Good to see you being you.
Any idea what it is?
--
~Stumper
stumper
Ever had any mystical experience?
--
~Stumper
stumper
Flat reasoning.
Things are not what they seem.
Words change meaning through context and usage.
Are you alive?
--
~Stumper
tttt
"stumper" <stu...@newvessel.com>
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Don't forget to drink some hard drinks,
or,
Take some drug!
> Where did you get your self-righteous attitude?
From your paradoxical attitude.
>
>
stumper
Good point.
I agree.
Even though I like the way he talks,
I don't always agree with him either.
We cannot help but have some faith.
But, it does not have to be blind.
It has to be willing to dance with reality.
Most of the time
when you think you nailed your opponent,
you are attacking a straw man.
All Dharmas are empty,
including this one.
--
~Stumper
stumper
Not everything that is significant to you
is significant to all others.
If you have solved one of your problems,
you might feel like shouting all about it.
But, you need to find an audience
who are interested in the same problem.
What is the problem you have solved?
--
~Stumper
Robert Epstein
This newsgroup is very paradoxical, very uncomfortable for someone with
self-righteous certainty. I hope it is not too unpleasant for you. We
are a very lowly lot, not worth bothering about. You might want to try
converting the people on alt.taoism, they are very proud, very
intelligent, a much better challenge for you!
Robert Epstein
well I don't want to overexplain my dazzlingly aesthetic little poem.
but if you refrain from dissecting and analyzing the pieces, you may get
the spirit of it.
If you prefer, I will kill it altogether by explaining it piece by piece.
Tang Huyen
Robert Epstein wrote:
> This newsgroup is very paradoxical, very uncomfortable for someone with
> self-righteous certainty. I hope it is not too unpleasant for you. We
> are a very lowly lot, not worth bothering about. You might want to try
> converting the people on alt.taoism, they are very proud, very
> intelligent, a much better challenge for you!
Thank you for being such a good stooge, dear.
Tang Huyen
stumper
I might have given you too much credit.
I dare you to make it alive first.
--
~Stumper
Noel Friesen
What my mind is? In the usual narrow sense I would say that my mind is made
up of my nervous system. In the unusual sense I would say there is nothing
but mind.
Noel Friesen
Noel Friesen
Noel Friesen
I'm sorry. I must have missed the context somehow. I definitely had the
meaning upside down.
stumper
> stumper wrote:
>> Noel Friesen wrote:
>>>> Noel Friesen wrote:
>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Have you seen the Buddha yet?
>>>>>
>>>>> that's a tricky question. Please don't tempt me.
>>>>
>>>> Please expound on what you have seen, or have
>>>> not seen, or whatever.
>>>>
>>
>> Ever had any mystical experience?
>>
>
I am asking you
because of what you have said.
--
~Stumper
stumper
Never mind.
We will revisit the issue later.
--
~Stumper
stumper
How about you?
Are you your mind?
--
~Stumper
Noel Friesen
In everyday language, yes.
Noel Friesen
stumper
>
Good for you.
Care to talk about it?
--
~Stumper
stumper
Do you feel helpless?
--
~Stumper
Robert Epstein
Anytime. I take it you have my virtual address for non-denominations of
the appropriate cheque?
:)
Robert
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Robert Epstein
> On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 23:13:24 -0500, Robert Epstein wrote
> (in article <Ej7Fh.6562$tR1.2990@trnddc05>):
>
>
>>stumper wrote:
>>
>>>>>Nobody here seems to care about you questions.
>>>>>
>>>>>I am interested in figuring out
>>>>>what it is that awakens.
>>>>>How about you?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>If you're trying to figure that out
>>>>you're still in the head of unawakening.
>>>>can't get there from here.
>>>>rather than figuring it out, you might want to increase the
>>>>effectiveness of your practice.
>>>>
>>>>robert
>>>>
>>>
>>>Do you have a blind faith or something?
>>>
>>>What makes you believe anyone has awakened?
>>>
>>
>>
>>perfect blind faith
>>as clear as sunlight
>>
>>robert
>
>
>
> lovely. :)
:)
thank you for being intuitive.
I had a couple of folk who wanted to dissect this little frog
and see what made it tick.
Poor froggy!
brian mitchell
> Noel Friesen wrote:
> > "stumper" <stu...@newvessel.com> wrote in message
> > news:hbSdndnP2L4Gm3rY...@ptd.net...
> >> Noel Friesen wrote:
> >>> stumper wrote:
> >>>> Ever had any mystical experience?
> >>>>
> >>> Who's asking, and why?
> >> I am asking you
> >> because of what you have said.
> >
> > In everyday language, yes.
> >
> Good for you.
> Care to talk about it?
Don't do it, Noel! The physical-realists will jump on you like a pack of
harpies.
stumper
I must have missed something.
Who are they?
--
~Stumper
Robert Epstein
difficult to ressurect that which has been talked to death.
robert
stumper
Too late.
You shouldn't have talked that way
until you can be free and empty
at least temporarily at will.
--
~Stumper
Tang Huyen
brian mitchell wrote:
> Don't do it, Noel! The physical-realists will
> jump on you like a pack of harpies.
I have the distinct impression that Noel
can take it, and that his explanation of
the self is physicalist, anyway.
The physicalists jumped on me because
I talked of the Kingdom of Grace, utter
humility, etc., but then they vanished.
Where are they? Is their manic phase
over?
Tang Huyen
Noel Friesen
Noel Friesen
My position is neither physical or spiritual.
Consciousness/buddha exists. I can't deny that.
Material/dharma exists as well.. I can't deny that either.
Where does consciousness/spirit come from? does it arise on its own as a
separate thing or does it inhere in the material we're made of?
stumper
In awareness, it is prior to everything.
--
~Stumper
Noel Friesen
Robert Epstein
there is no will in freedom and emptiness.
the idea of turning such a state on and off
shows an egoic view.
robert
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Robert Epstein
People do tend to come and go like smoke around here. Some, like myself
and Tara, and you too as I recall, say "I'm taking a little break"
before disappearing. I find that a little less jarring. Some people
just vanish mid-conversation. But it's all an occasion for letting go,
isn't it?
Robert
Tang Huyen
Noel Friesen wrote:
> "stumper"
>
> > Noel Friesen:
>
> >> I am a wave on the ocean.
>
> > Do you feel helpless?
>
> I'm a cloud in the sky.
Wow, you're all over the place.
Tang Huyen
Evelyn Ruut
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Yes, they do come and go. Some I truly miss like Jigme whose wisdom was
right-on...., and of course our George Cherry, who always had some
interesting comments to make. The droll humor of Julian, and the witty but
trashy humor of Cupcake, and always Hal Hesse, who was old and wise and
funny too. Lately I miss Jerry Rolison, who seems to be on a break.
Dharmatroll is always great fun when he comes around and provides endless
good reading, and he always makes me think. I think of some of the really
excellent posters I have seen come and go over the years, and I often hope
they return now and again under some new identity/net-incarnation.
Cupcake and Hal are surely gone for good, but it can be fun checking out
some new poster and wondering who has returned and who is genuinely a
stranger stumbling on this corner of the net.
--
Best Regards,
Evelyn Ruut
stumper
Do you feel worthless?
--
~Stumper
stumper
Can you take a nap at will?
How do you do it?
Do you just will it yourself to sleep?
Have you seen a cat
have a nice lunch
and lie down in the sunshine?
--
~Stumper
Noel Friesen
stumper
I'm the moon in my pond.
--
~Stumper
Noel Friesen
My mind is a bowl of jell-o. push me and i do wobble.
Noel Friesen
Tang Huyen
stumper wrote:
> I'm the moon in my pond.
Heaven forbid, can't you be the moon in any pond?
Tang Huyen
Evelyn Ruut
Watch out, he might "moon" you!
stumper
Alas, the moon in my pond is
just a reflection of the moon in the sky.
I do look up once in a while.
--
~Stumper
Tang Huyen
Noel Friesen wrote:
> "Tang Huyen"
>
> > Noel Friesen:
>
> >> "stumper"
>
> >> > Noel Friesen:
>
> >> >> I am a wave on the ocean.
>
> >> > Do you feel helpless?
>
> >> I'm a cloud in the sky.
>
> > Wow, you're all over the place.
>
> My mind is a bowl of jell-o. push me and i do wobble.
Which is much better than a rock, dead in its rigidity.
Or the "thin skin and thick ego" syndrome, which reacts
massively and hysterically to insults, real or imagined.
By the way, you're imitating the Japanese Daruma doll,
which is a doll of Bodhidharma and which wobbles when
pushed, but rights itself up because of its low centre of
gravity.
Tang Huyen
Noel Friesen
I think I would like to see one of these. Might make a good conversation
piece. :)
Noel Friesen
Well, I do have ridiculously short legs. Built something like a chimpanzee
I am.
Keynes
Dolls of the nations.
The old japanese dolls emphasize balance.
(But now they are outer-spacial.)
The russians have the nested dolls within dolls within dolls.
Somehow they wind up with the best chess players
and master spies. Paranoia as a paradigm.
But in the USA we have anorexic plastic Barbies,
who have lots and lots of clothes and toys of their own.
Our toys have toys.
And macho action figures for boys who play with dolls
who have guns and knives.
Evelyn Ruut
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Little girls no longer play with baby dolls. They only play with Barbies
and Bratz anymore. I think it is disgusting, since no real human body
could ever be shaped like that. Little girls used to be taught to value
motherhood through their baby-dolls. Now only sexy looking, overly made up
exaggerated teen shaped dolls are in vogue.
The ages (life states) of woman are;
Child
Maiden
Matron
Crone
*ALL* those states are natural and good, but in our society only the maiden
is revered, valued and put before us as having value. Children dress in
sexy outfits, and old ladies are having endless surgeries to try and look
like young maidens again. Sadly only the young maidens' beauty is
considered beautiful. Truth is women are all beautiful in their diversity
and differences in age, color, shapes.
I am putting together something about this very subject just now, and may
post some bits of it here as I work on the article.
Ned Ludd
"Evelyn Ruut" <evely...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
Stavros should post that picture of the old, old woman's body
again. I think only William said that it was beautiful. It was
a horror, a ruin. But then I don't like ruins of any kind.
Ned
Keynes
Everything is perfectly beautiful. Insects are beautiful.
Every perfect apple has it's perfect worm. But we
complicate things by preferences.
America is very prudish and sexually repressed, say the europeans.
(But what do they know?) Consequently our entertainment is
all loaded with sexual inuendo and slyly skirting the issue,
(although competition keeps entertainment on the very
edge of acceptability. Shocking sells. And down we go.)
Our times are sort of like victorian times where even the
furniture wore skirts to keep the men from going mad with
passion. Tittilation is OK, a big money maker, but consumation
is a big no no. It's just dirty and oh so wrong. (Yet adults
in secret pay outrageous prices for badly made porn.)
Little girls take their role models from popular culture.
They want to grow up and get the adult percs. (Without
realizing the price of adulthood. Bless their little hearts.)
So now the slutty look and the teasing attitude are taken
for all the sophistication there is. Little girls have no idea
what they're getting into.
Genetically, the maiden form is a sexual trigger for men,
and even women recogize and feel it's power without
really knowing the male compulsions. "She's pretty.
She's sexy. She has power over men." That's why
the always sexy look and act is in.
This is probably not new, but since the affluence of
american culture following WWII, the kids have money
and they are a great big market for businesses that don't
care how they make their money. Kids want the symbols
of adulthood since they can't have the real thing yet. And
their blank little minds are so easy to bend for profit.
(It ought to be illegal to advertise to kids.)
Evelyn Ruut
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But think of the wisdom of age, and the lack of ego, and all the life
experience she had.
There is beauty in every age, but it isn't always exactly the same beauty.
A baby is beautiful. A young girl is beautiful. A teenager is beautiful.
A mother and matron, busily raising her family is also beautiful. The aged
crone also has beauty. All these stages of life have a special kind of
beauty of their own, not the same.
Evelyn Ruut
Ah Keynes, you understood exactly where I am coming from with my latest
rant!
Thanks so much for your discerning comments.
You are always worth reading around here!
GeF
> I am putting together something about this very subject just now, and may
> post some bits of it here as I work on the article.
>
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder
but it is love that makes it so.
Love is the shining light which seeks itself in shining forth
Evelyn Ruut
buddhapest
until love uncovers for itself what a
wretched cowardly self centered
self serving vehicle it actually is and
then all of the black holes suck everything
up again and it starts all over again.
Evelyn Ruut
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wickedly truthful ;-)
Lee Rudolph
BEAUTY
Intimate with her _b^ete noire_
at last (no mastery; no mask),
what can she do but ask?
"Beast, show who you are."
He'd thought he _was_ bare.
"No, silly, that's skin.
I want to see _in_,
where the bones are."
Lee Rudolph
(A sop for the dualists. Or the Disneyists. \/\/hatever.)
Lee Rudolph
Keynes
Nice work.
"Talk to me.", she says. "Say something soft and sweet."
"Um.. Rotten bananas?"
Ned Ludd
>
>>> The ages (life states) of woman are;
>>> Child
>>> Maiden
>>> Matron
>>> Crone
>>> *ALL* those states are natural and good, but in our society only
>>> the maiden is revered, valued and put before us as having value.
>>> Children dress in sexy outfits, and old ladies are having endless
>>> surgeries to try and look like young maidens again. Sadly only
>>> the young maidens' beauty is considered beautiful. Truth is
>>> women are all beautiful in their diversity and differences in
>>> age, color, shapes.
>>> I am putting together something about this very subject just now,
>>> and may post some bits of it here as I work on the article.
>>> Evelyn
>>
>> Stavros should post that picture of the old, old woman's body
>> again. I think only William said that it was beautiful. It was
>> a horror, a ruin. But then I don't like ruins of any kind.
>
> life experience she had.
> There is beauty in every age, but it isn't always exactly the same
> beauty. A baby is beautiful. A young girl is beautiful. A
> teenager is beautiful. A mother and matron, busily raising her
> family is also beautiful. The aged crone also has beauty. All
> these stages of life have a special kind of beauty of their own,
> not the same.
>
Only if you stretch the meaning of the word 'beauty' far beyond
any usefulness in communicating. Wisdom, lack of ego, and life
experience are fine things, in the sense that cleverness, expertise
and task-competence are fine things. (Eg. A good short-order cook
is a beauty to behold.) And the poets assure us that Truth is
Beauty and Beauty is Truth. But that is just silly, and destroys
the utility of language. Beautiful things appear beautiful to us
for a reason. Mother nature makes women beautiful at a certain
age for a specific purpose, which is to propagate the species.
Inherent in the meaning of beauty are qualities of loveliness and
attractiveness.
I found the url on deja.com to the picture of the old, old, ugly
woman's body, and it is still on tinypic. It is MUCH worse than I
remember. It makes you want to throw up looking at it. No one on
earth (except William) could say it is beautiful. Do you want me
to post the url?
Ned
GeF
>
> I found the url on deja.com to the picture of the old, old, ugly
> woman's body, and it is still on tinypic. It is MUCH worse than I
> remember. It makes you want to throw up looking at it. No one on
> earth (except William) could say it is beautiful. Do you want me
> to post the url?
>
> Ned
>
Yes, please.
But there are far uglier visions.. Paul Bremmer, Ehud Olmert, Tzipi Livni,
Dick Cheney, Rupert Murdoch, GWB, Reverend Paisley, etc. etc. the list is endless
Wherever there are geo-political or financial goals signed in the blood
of others, therein is true ugliness.
stumper
Your nice vegetarian dish is
a ruin of vegetables once alive.
--
~Stumper