Appledog's condition
Nobody in Particular
writing increasingly bizarre posts, but nothing like this before.
This is somewhat similar to a different poster in a different group
that turned out to have developed a brain tumor. I have no idea if
Oliver's irrationality is due to this or a different problem, but this
is serious beyond mere silliness. He has lost contact with reason.
In the interest of kindness, I ask the community to realizes this and
treat him with compassion, not derision.
He might react negatively to this post, but consider his condition and
don't take offense.
He is not well.
Here is the relevant thread:
Appledog wrote:
> On Dec 21, 8:57 am, Greendistantstar <Greendistants...@iinet.net.au>
> wrote:
>> Nobody in Particular wrote:
>> > daletx wrote:
>>
>> >> Appledog wrote:
>> >>> Please allow me to prove to you, using simple mathematics, that
>> >>> pi is actually greater than four.
>>
>> >>> Yes, we have been misled all our lives and here is the proof.
>>
>> >>> We all know pi to be equal to the circumference of a circle
>> >>> divided by it's diameter.
>>
>> >>> So then let us derive pi using this simple formula to
>> >>> understand the truth.
>>
>> >>> Step one, draw a circle around the earth and measure it's
>> >>> circumference. A measurement of acceptable precision is a
>> >>> fraction over 40,075 km, as defined by the IAU (International
>> >>> Astronomical Union) in 1976.
>>
>> >>> We also know the radius of this circle; In 1791, the French
>> >>> Academy of Sciences defined the metre to be one ten-millionth
>> >>> of the length of the Earth's meridian along a quadrant, that is
>> >>> the distance from the Equator to the North Pole. This distance
>> >>> is therefore exactly 10,000km.
>>
>> >>> Therefore pi is clearly C / r, or 40,075 / divided by 10,000
>> >>> or.. wait for it...
>>
>> >>> 4.0075.
>>
>> >>> Greater than four.
>>
>> >>> We have been lied to our entire lives by the establishment and
>> >>> this is your wake up call.
>>
>> >>> But don't take my word for it. Do the math for yourself.
>>
>> >> Excellent work! You seem to have proved that 1/4 the
>> >> circumference of the earth is almost exactly equal to the
>> >> circumference of the earth, divided by 4...
>>
>> > I can't tell if this guy is serious or not.
>>
>> > On the one hand, I don't remember him ever posting any satire of
>> > this kind before; I don't think he is capable of satire.
>>
>> > On the other hand, equating the length of a meridian along a
>> > quadrant with the diameter is just so monstrously wrong,
>> > especially since he claims to be a teacher...
>>
>> > I just don't know.
>> > If he IS serious, that is really scary. He's teaching children.
>>
>> The strategy is as follows;
>>
>> 1) Propagate an egregiously silly post with a straight face, no
>> emoticons to denote satire etc
>>
>> 2) Wait until someone writes "Are you fucking serious?"
>>
>> 3) Reply "You must be really dumb to believe my really dumb post."
>>
>> 4) Engage in an on-going flame-war until thoroughly bitch-slapped.
>>
>> 5) Rinse and repeat.
>>
>> GDS
>>
>> "Let's roll!"
>
> What the hell are you guys talking about?
>
> Take a hula hoop 20 ft in diameter and put it on the ground.
>
> Measure it's circumference. Divide that number by 20, and you will
> NOT get pi. You won't even get an approximation of it. Don't say I
> didn't warn you. Go ahead, if you don't believe me, do the math for
> yourself. Do the experiment.
>
> But don't come crying to me when you realize you have been lied to
> all your life.
>
> -
Déjà Flu
> Oliver Richman, posting under the pseudonym "Appledog"...
Bill? Hello? Bill?
Did your mom ever tell you about what watching too
much TV would do to your brain? It's not too late...
Appledog
> Oliver Richman, posting under the pseudonym "Appledog", has been
> writing increasingly bizarre posts, but nothing like this before.
> This is somewhat similar to a different poster in a different group
> that turned out to have developed a brain tumor. I have no idea if
> Oliver's irrationality is due to this or a different problem, but this
> is serious beyond mere silliness. He has lost contact with reason.
Not at all, and I find it greatly amusing that you seem to believe so.
> In the interest of kindness, I ask the community to realizes this and
> treat him with compassion, not derision.
I would appreciate that.
> He might react negatively to this post, but consider his condition and
> don't take offense.
I might react negatively, which would seem to confirm your claim, but
if I don't, then you only used the word might, so I'm still crazy. Do
you see how once you've set your mind on something, no fact can sway
you?
> He is not well.
>
> Here is the relevant thread:
>
> Appledog wrote:
> >> >>> Please allow me to prove to you, using simple mathematics, that
> >> >>> pi is actually greater than four.
> [snip]
It's a simple physical experiment that you can do yourself. It isn't
crazy. Anyone can reproduce this simple experiment for themselves:
take an arbitrary-sized hoop, lay it on the ground, and take precise
measurements of its circumference and diameter. Then divide the
circumference from the diameter to get pi. You will discover that the
more precise your measurements are, the farther you will get from what
you expect to be pi,
If we, for example, expect pi to be somewhere between 3.141592653589
and 3.141592653590, we will consistently get measurements greater than
3.141592653590, even though we "know" that pi is supposed to be less
than that number.
No, I'm not crazy. You see, instead of looking at what I say and
seeing why it is true, you automatically assume that I must be insane.
You have prejudged me, but I do not hold you to any sin. I can only
say to you, open your eyes and look, take part in the world, and do
not believe something merely because it was written in a book or told
to you by your parents and teachers.
-
Julian
> Oliver Richman, posting under the pseudonym "Appledog", has been
> writing increasingly bizarre posts, but nothing like this before.
> This is somewhat similar to a different poster in a different group
> that turned out to have developed a brain tumor. I have no idea if
> Oliver's irrationality is due to this or a different problem, but this
> is serious beyond mere silliness. He has lost contact with reason.
>
> In the interest of kindness, I ask the community to realizes this and
> treat him with compassion, not derision.
>
> He might react negatively to this post, but consider his condition and
> don't take offense.
>
> He is not well.
OK... I've swerve it entirely in future... even if it recovers.
Charles E Hardwidge
news:hgmjt8$lda$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> Oliver Richman, posting under the pseudonym "Appledog", has been
> writing increasingly bizarre posts, but nothing like this before.
> This is somewhat similar to a different poster in a different group
> that turned out to have developed a brain tumor. I have no idea if
> Oliver's irrationality is due to this or a different problem, but this
> is serious beyond mere silliness. He has lost contact with reason.
>
> In the interest of kindness, I ask the community to realizes this and
> treat him with compassion, not derision.
>
> He might react negatively to this post, but consider his condition and
> don't take offense.
>
> He is not well.
"Appledog" was someone I could do business with a few weeks back but for one
reason or another since then he's been talking shit and indulging in
emotional wankage. I tend to drop someone like a rock when they do that
regardless of the reason. We're into "lock in the attic", "pack off to
hospital", or "throw in jail" territory. Don't care which as long as the
problem goes away.
FU trimmed to alt.zen
--
Charles E Hardwidge
Lee Rudolph
>Oliver Richman, posting under the pseudonym "Appledog", has been
>writing increasingly bizarre posts, but nothing like this before.
>This is somewhat similar to a different poster in a different group
>that turned out to have developed a brain tumor.
Julian Jaynes (who was pretty far-out himself; cf. his "bicameral
mind" stuff) maintained that most of Marshall McLuhan's far-out
stuff had been written, not by McLuhan, but by his brain tumor.
Of course, Jaynes, McLuhan, and (presumably) McLuhan's brain tumor
were all Canadians _de souche_.
Lee Rudolph
P.S. At the risk of upsetting some people, I'm trimming followups.
Naturally anyone who is upset (or otherwise) can and no doubt will
re-set them. Usenet is Liberty Hall, eh?
Appledog
> Nobody in Particular <nob...@invalid.com> writes:
>
> >Oliver Richman, posting under the pseudonym "Appledog", has been
> >writing increasingly bizarre posts, but nothing like this before.
> >This is somewhat similar to a different poster in a different group
> >that turned out to have developed a brain tumor.
>
> Julian Jaynes (who was pretty far-out himself; cf. his "bicameral
> mind" stuff) maintained that most of Marshall McLuhan's far-out
> stuff had been written, not by McLuhan, but by his brain tumor.
>
> Of course, Jaynes, McLuhan, and (presumably) McLuhan's brain tumor
> were all Canadians _de souche_.
Yes well I felt bringing it up would be unfair. I think it's more
humorous to watch fools pretend they know all about me because they
think they know my name, etc.
> Lee Rudolph
>
> P.S. At the risk of upsetting some people, I'm trimming followups.
> Naturally anyone who is upset (or otherwise) can and no doubt will
> re-set them. Usenet is Liberty Hall, eh?
Well I'll put my favorite three or four in, can't speak fore the
others.
-
herbzet
Nobody in Particular wrote:
>
> Oliver Richman, posting under the pseudonym "Appledog", has been
> writing increasingly bizarre posts, but nothing like this before.
> This is somewhat similar to a different poster in a different group
> that turned out to have developed a brain tumor.
Well, we can always hope.
--
hz
halfawake
What can we do? Should those of us who post from elsewhere cut
ourselves out of the followup?
Best,
Robert
= = = = = = = = = = =
Lee Rudolph
>Lee Rudolph wrote:
...
>> P.S. At the risk of upsetting some people, I'm trimming followups.
>> Naturally anyone who is upset (or otherwise) can and no doubt will
>> re-set them. Usenet is Liberty Hall, eh?
>
>What can we do? Should those of us who post from elsewhere cut
>ourselves out of the followup?
That would be very Zen, _nicht wahr_?, as Kant used to say.
Lee Rudolph
Shuurai
> Oliver Richman, posting under the pseudonym "Appledog", has been
> writing increasingly bizarre posts, but nothing like this before.
> This is somewhat similar to a different poster in a different group
> that turned out to have developed a brain tumor. I have no idea if
> Oliver's irrationality is due to this or a different problem, but this
> is serious beyond mere silliness. He has lost contact with reason.
Nah... Ollie just has exactly the right combination of a desperate
need for attention and an overestimation of his own intellect to be an
extraordinary troll. I'm sure that on some level he believes that
he's being clever - and he might even believe his math fallacy - but
the real point behind his post is to get a rise out of people.
> In the interest of kindness, I ask the community to realizes this and
> treat him with compassion, not derision.
He should be treated like any other troll; with fire.
> He might react negatively to this post, but consider his condition and
> don't take offense.
He will respond like a troll.
> He is not well.
Rumor has it he beats children.
Greendistantstar
> Rumor has it he beats children.
SUE HIM OLLIE, SUE HIM!!!!
LMAO....
GDS
"Let's roll!"
AdvocatusDiablo
"herbzet" <her...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4B2FFA4E...@gmail.com...
herbzoid, i'll put a brain tumor into a fortune cookie and hope that you get
that fortune cookie.
Appledog
wrote:
> Shuurai wrote:
> > Rumor has it he beats children.
>
> SUE HIM OLLIE, SUE HIM!!!!
>
> LMAO....
Rumor has it we all do a few things, I'm not stupid enough to run
around repeating them.
What would you do, G?
-
Greendistantstar
What would I do, O?
I'd bang his mom.
Again.
GDS
"Let's roll!"
Shuurai
> > Rumor has it we all do a few things, I'm not stupid enough to run
> > around repeating them.
>
> > What would you do, G?
>
> What would I do, O?
>
> I'd bang his mom.
>
> Again.
If you weren't too busy beating children and sodomizing kittens.
Greendistantstar
Hey, that's *really* hard to do simultaneously...where's the kudos?
GDS
"Let's roll!"
herbzet
AdvocatusDiablo wrote:
> "herbzet" wrote:
> > Nobody in Particular wrote:
> >>
> >> Oliver Richman, posting under the pseudonym "Appledog", has been
> >> writing increasingly bizarre posts, but nothing like this before.
> >> This is somewhat similar to a different poster in a different group
> >> that turned out to have developed a brain tumor.
> >
> > Well, we can always hope.
>
> herbzoid, i'll put a brain tumor into a fortune cookie and hope that you get
> that fortune cookie.
karmatic ... karmatic!
for your transmission
go karmatic!
--
hz
halfawake
Yes, that would be very zen.
Always loved Kant as a zen guy. "Nothing other than what I call
transcendental apperception" is not really that far from "essence of mind."