that's rick with a little (surrealistic) r :) (was..
Miller Jew
(intertwining two different posts here)
Tzaddik (dead...@taotalk.org) writes:
Dana Phillips wrote:
>
>Now can we talk rather than flame Mr. Rick?
R
>About what?
D
>Why about Lawrence Day of course. Is there any other topic
>worthy of dis-cussion on a Taoist philosophy(Tao Chia) news
>group?
Yep! Jes worked (here) a previous topic 'resonant' LD brought in
;) <<--one of the bestest "Tao Chia" bridger's on this "news
group" :)-->>
>ref: Subject: Re: Taoist n Surreal (was Why Surrealism and
>Theism Do Not Mix)
>
>lawrence day <ld...@pathcom.com> wrote:
>cythera wrote:
>Andrea "Net Goddess" Chen <fallin...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>If Breton and other historical surrealists found ideas of value
>in Taoism, how can one claim that they are not legitimate ideas
>in the surrealism? This doesn't mean that one need embrace
>these notions, but on what grounds does one claim that anyone
>who employs them is by definition a non surrealist?
The "claim" was "ground"ed by art critics rather than the
artists themselves. I.e., for the former, under
(political/social) duress, (superficial) *asthetic* appeal oft
took over the "value of Taoism" in it.
L
>Absurd political situations [like post-Clemenceau France, or
>Europe in general then] create the ground where surrealism
>flourishes.
Indeed, in ancient chinese aphorism, "crisis" of "opportunity"
fecundated. Interweave the cultural chaos brewed-through (these)
"political situations" allowed these artists's inward insight's..
to 'Te-in-Tao'. Characteristically.. "the secret patterning of
that flux, the coexistence of dynamic chaos with elusive order.."
"as traced.. to Boheme, Lao-tzu, Chuang Tzu, Meister Eckart, and
Zen.. were their approach.. towards abstract, organic surrealism
in which figures or other objects may be suggested but are rarely
explicit." (fn).
Regards,
-Zhou
>Surrealists discover Chuang Tzu/Zhuangzi and love him. He
>writes, eg, : "Nothing under heaven is larger than a
>strand of gossamer,
>nor smaller than Mount T'ai" and they feel at home.
>Early Ch'an [later Zen] picks up the theme, eg, from the
>Pao-ching San-mei:
>"While the wooden man is singing,
>The stone maiden starts to dance.
>This cannot be reached by our consciousness.
>How can you give a thought to this?"
>(--Chang Chung Yuan trans)
>
>
>>"Where the fuck is rick?"-trad. <<-- Thank TOD! been appealed
for, many times here :)
>>
>>John-in Ottawa
fn: quotes from
"History of Modern Art"/ Prentice Hall, Abrams
"The Spiritual in Art: Abstract Painting, 1890-1985"/ Los Angeles
County Museum of Art" (&) Exhibition.
lday
zho...@ix.netcom.com(Miller Jew) wrote:
>ref: Subject: Re: that's rick with a little (surrealistic) r :)
(was..
small letters, big bite :-)
now, that's surrealistic..
>
>(intertwining two different posts here)
>
>Tzaddik (dead...@taotalk.org) writes:
>Dana Phillips wrote:
>>
>>Now can we talk rather than flame Mr. Rick?
>
>R
>>About what?
>
>D
>>Why about Lawrence Day of course.
For rationalist bull bozos I am a red flag.
But if there is something in my *philosophy*
anyone wants to discuss, I don't object.
('tho I can't promise to remain serious;-)
My daojia is broad and bridgy, curious and open.
De-fensive fencing neverrang my bell a tall..
> Is there any other topic
>>worthy of dis-cussion on a Taoist philosophy(Tao Chia) news
>>group?
Yes, Chuang Tzu/Zhuangzi, the inner chapters.
Are they jia or jiao? academics wanna know.. ;-)
>
>Yep! Jes worked (here) a previous topic 'resonant' LD brought in
>;) <<--one of the bestest "Tao Chia" bridger's on this "news
>group" :)-->>
If that is true it is because my eyes and ears were/are Taoist,
so whenever I encountered an interesting topic,
I looked for/from the Taoist part, jes cause that is what made
sense to me. My love of Tao Chia is basic, heart-felt, and immune
to volcanic eruption. r(;-)ick figured that out after chasing me
around the grove for a whole week, arguing over 'nothing'.
Fortified by Milne's 'Winnie the P'u' I recognized the 'tigger
bounce' and r(;-)ick recognized levity, ergo *peace* ensued.
Yangists are by nature 'testers'; and me, adamantine, a red flag.
These 'rationalist' crusaders--DT, John Timothy Hall, Avital, jcr
etc., are relatively 'pale' opponents. But when the 'game' isn't
taken seriously, the only possible prize is the bozo bowl iykwim.
>
>>ref: Subject: Re: Taoist n Surreal (was Why Surrealism and
>>Theism Do Not Mix)
>>
>>lawrence day <ld...@pathcom.com> wrote:
>>cythera wrote:
>>Andrea "Net Goddess" Chen <fallin...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>If Breton and other historical surrealists found ideas of value
>>in Taoism, how can one claim that they are not legitimate ideas
>>in the surrealism? This doesn't mean that one need embrace
>>these notions, but on what grounds does one claim that anyone
>>who employs them is by definition a non surrealist?
>
>The "claim" was "ground"ed by art critics rather than the
>artists themselves. I.e., for the former, under
>(political/social) duress, (superficial) *asthetic* appeal oft
>took over the "value of Taoism" in it.
When surrealists define surrealism & decide who is and isn't,
I doubt they take themselves even slightly seriously.
It sniffs out like parody of academia: "You, Salvador Dali,
are heretic!!" Nobody with a surrealist perspective could take
that sort of stuff seriously:-) But Breton reincarnated as
rick--well that makes sense..
>
>L
>>Absurd political situations [like post-Clemenceau France, or
>>Europe in general then] create the ground where surrealism
>>flourishes.
>
>Indeed, in ancient chinese aphorism, "crisis" of "opportunity"
>fecundated. Interweave the cultural chaos brewed-through (these)
>"political situations" allowed these artists's inward
insight's..
>to 'Te-in-Tao'.
Yes! Another good example, in the Greek Pelaponisian (sp?) Wars,
the artists churned out magnificent statues, as if creating 'art'
was refuge from an insane world. Likewise Michaelangelo: great
art made while history bozoly sucked totally.
> Characteristically.. "the secret patterning of
>that flux, the coexistence of dynamic chaos with elusive
order.."
>"as traced.. to Boheme,<--
(aside) In the centuries-long Catholic-Protestant wars in Europe
Bohemia (capital Prague) was a bastion of free thought, very
progressive. Tossing papal envoys Rosencrantz and Guilderstern
out the window was indicative. But then, alas, there followed 30
years of war..
A couple of centuries later Artur Rimbaud lauded 'Bohemia' as an
ancient 'Arcady' where free thought flourished.
But the opera 'La Boheme', Rimbaud's verse, and history and
'hippies' all get encapsulated in this 'loaded' word. :-)
Freddy Mercury's "Bohemian Rhapsody" is wiser than appears at
first sight!
etc.,
--lawrence
Lao-tzu, Chuang Tzu, Meister Eckart,<--
Jung liked this ancient dude.
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