The shoreline where I launch my kayak is like that. It's a marginal
mangrove but the water is really polluted and the garbage is floating
all over. I think very few people care and the authorities and
affluent people look the other way. Maybe they never visit these areas
because they live in the beautiful part of town, the infamous Gated
Communities. Well, this filth --multiplied by the filth from the
motorboats-- is blown away across the bay and ends up on the
shorelines of beautiful parks and public attractions. One of these
attractions next to the water has a band playing and you feel good
with the music and the view, but the garbage sits right there. And you
must wonder about the sad state of this world. I hear there's a
garbage island --twice the size of Texas-- in the middle of the
Pacific Ocean. Why?
It must be that the health of the planet is a low priority for our
leaders. If dogs and cats can be trained to keep their crap under
control, so can we. Don't blame our monkey mind for it. Yes, we tend
to resist training but we do respond to reward and punishment. Others
are fully civilized and do not need to be told what to do. It's all
common sense. But that's only my humble opinion.
In places like Norway there's no litter found anywhere. Gated
Communities have no litter. So it's all possible. Why is it that our
communities have been trashed? When was the last time they issued a
ticket for the mundane act of littering? Why don't they place cameras
where littering is a problem?
Imagine this sign, "Anyone found trashing the Garden of Eden will be
expelled." It sounds more reasonable that God expelled Adam & Eve over
reasons like these instead of the silly fruit. The world is making
sense now.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
> Imagine this sign, "Anyone found trashing the Garden of Eden will be
> expelled." It sounds more reasonable that God expelled Adam & Eve over
> reasons like these instead of the silly fruit. The world is making
> sense now.
At least Adam and Eve made their clothes from fig leaves. God made them better clothes from the fur of animals but it left a bloody mess.
> TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
>> Imagine this sign, "Anyone found trashing the Garden of Eden will be
>> expelled." It sounds more reasonable that God expelled Adam & Eve over
>> reasons like these instead of the silly fruit. The world is making
>> sense now.
> At least Adam and Eve made their clothes from fig leaves. God made them > better clothes from the fur of animals but it left a bloody mess.
the fur-ther you go the hairier it gets
but i won't pelt you with puns or
stuff you with quips.
>> Imagine this sign, "Anyone found trashing the Garden of Eden will be
>> expelled." It sounds more reasonable that God expelled Adam & Eve over
>> reasons like these instead of the silly fruit. The world is making
>> sense now.
>At least Adam and Eve made their clothes from fig leaves. God made them >better clothes from the fur of animals but it left a bloody mess.
While the world might be making sense in the mind of he who calls himself TibetanMonkey,
he does not seem to me to sense a sense of the tree,
which even to touch it, let alone eat the fruit thereof,
results in a spiritual death on that very day.
He carves a so-called sacred space into good and bad.
He loses what is so-called sacred in so doing.
He appears to want to eliminate what he thinks is bad.
It might be possible to get rid of something wrong
by chopping off a piece that isn't right. What's left
will still not be all right. There will always be wrong
as long as right exists in one's mind.
When that which is not right is eliminated
while one will be left with what is right
one will also be left with something left.
To the left of right.
To the wrong of right.
Two rights might make might.
Especially when one looks for a fight.
To fight for a cause.
What a thing to believe.
It's the stuff nonsense can be made of.
He leaves me wondering
as a tree might shed its leaves in a fall.
As if there is something wrong with leaves
and what is left, as if it isn't right.
There is a sense of Taoism
beyond that of good and bad, of garbage
and trash and everything sad or glad.
I'm not sure what its number is.
Perhaps it was here before numbers were.
Ore, neither here nor there, as well.
On Apr 5, 11:19 am, linuxgal <linux...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
> TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
> > Imagine this sign, "Anyone found trashing the Garden of Eden will be
> > expelled." It sounds more reasonable that God expelled Adam & Eve over
> > reasons like these instead of the silly fruit. The world is making
> > sense now.
> At least Adam and Eve made their clothes from fig leaves. God made them
> better clothes from the fur of animals but it left a bloody mess.
They were gatherers, and God made them hunters. Thus the hunter-
gatherers were born.
They even killed the mammoths before they got a chance to board Noah's
Ark. How could God have made such a SUPER PREDATOR that today
threatens the whole planet?
> > > > In its budget submitted to Congress Feb. 13, the Obama administration
> > > > zeroed out funding for NASA’s future Mars exploration missions. The
> > > > Mars
> > > > Science Lab Curiosity is en route to the red planet, and the nearly
> > > > completed small Maven orbiter, scheduled for launch in 2013, will be
> > > > sent,
> > > > but that’s it. No funding has been provided for the Mars probes
> > > > planned
> > > > as
> > > > joint missions with the Europeans for 2016 and 2018, and nothing after
> > > > that is funded, either. This poses a crisis for the American space
> > > > program.
> > > You just don't get it, do you ....
> > > Screw mars .... it is far more important to get the Nation's crack
> > > whores
> > > and pimps on Obamacare and welfare, including free cell phones, as not
> > > to
> > > interrupt their livelihood of illegal drug trading and the spreading of
> > > AIDS, but also riot in sympathetic assistance to ghetto trash like
> > > Trevon
> > > Martin, a 2-bit hoodlum, about to be made a martyr by the likes of Al
> > > Sharpton and Jessy Jackson, who really don't give a fuck about the
> > > thousands
> > > of ghetto Niggers killed each year by their own race. But throw a
> > > partial
> > > white anything into the mix and the righteous reverends begin their
> > > "Tawana
> > > Brawley" dance of injustice and ignorance. It just proves that blacks
> > > are
> > > mentally inferior to whites. I personally didn't believe that, but the
> > > good
> > > Reverends have since changed my mind by irrefutably proving it by their
> > > irresponsible behavior.
> > I would only support any space adventure if it promises to send the
> > Republican leaders to Mars by 2025.
> > ************************************
> > That's why we are doing our best to eradicate people like yourself before
> > that fateful date is upon us.
> I think you are planning WWIII and then be able to elope. We can't
> even manage this spacecraft called Earth and you want more adventures.
> We are also trashing the planet with no thought of the future.
> What did America gain by going to the Moon in the 60's and then
> forgetting about it?
> ****************************************
> It is man's destiny to conquer the Universe. We are better served to
> finance excursions which allow us to expand out presence and settle new
> planets, than pay welfare for wimps who are incapable of taking care of
> themselves. Since we can't make the useless ones stop fornicating without
> the resources required to support such lustful endeavors and their sobering
> consequences, they should be left to die and rot in their ghettos without
> support from the rest of us.
> Leave it to Liberals to come up with the idea that paying someone to
> comfortably sit on his ass would motivate him to find gainful employment.
> They should all get one free shipment of Tang, instead.
Fat idiots on automatic pilot eloped after trashing the planet...
Sounds familiar?
> >> Imagine this sign, "Anyone found trashing the Garden of Eden will be
> >> expelled." It sounds more reasonable that God expelled Adam & Eve over
> >> reasons like these instead of the silly fruit. The world is making
> >> sense now.
> >At least Adam and Eve made their clothes from fig leaves. God made them
> >better clothes from the fur of animals but it left a bloody mess.
> While the world might be making sense
> in the mind of he who calls himself TibetanMonkey,
> he does not seem to me to sense a sense of the tree,
> which even to touch it, let alone eat the fruit thereof,
> results in a spiritual death on that very day.
> He carves a so-called sacred space into good and bad.
> He loses what is so-called sacred in so doing.
> He appears to want to eliminate what he thinks is bad.
> It might be possible to get rid of something wrong
> by chopping off a piece that isn't right. What's left
> will still not be all right. There will always be wrong
> as long as right exists in one's mind.
> When that which is not right is eliminated
> while one will be left with what is right
> one will also be left with something left.
> To the left of right.
> To the wrong of right.
> Two rights might make might.
> Especially when one looks for a fight.
> To fight for a cause.
> What a thing to believe.
> It's the stuff nonsense can be made of.
> He leaves me wondering
> as a tree might shed its leaves in a fall.
> As if there is something wrong with leaves
> and what is left, as if it isn't right.
> There is a sense of Taoism
> beyond that of good and bad, of garbage
> and trash and everything sad or glad.
> I'm not sure what its number is.
> Perhaps it was here before numbers were.
> Ore, neither here nor there, as well.
> - ribbit
He who calls himself the Wise TibetanMonkey says that THE REVOLUTION
IS ABOUT SOLUTION and if LITTER WARDENS is what it takes so be it:
I must confess that I never heard of such a fine thing, but it makes
sense even when a little corruption stains their record. One picture
is worth a million bucks. Let there be litter wardens so the world is
free of crap. But if the enlightened ones think it doesn't matter one
way or the other, they must be wise like the Three Wise Monkeys.
> Per TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher:
> >In places like Norway there's no litter found anywhere. Gated
> >Communities have no litter. So it's all possible. Why is it that our
> >communities have been trashed?
> One factor is returnable containers: bottles/cans where one puts
> down an additional nickel or whatever deposit - which is refunded
> when the empty container is returned.
> I used to vacation in a state (Maine) that still had
> returnable/deposit containers and, being used to Pennsylvania/New
> Jersey, I was blown away by the total absence of bottle and can
> litter.
> That's not to say the non-rocket-scientists among us don't toss
> them here and there... but they get picked up. Way back in the
> fifties - before New Jersey went over to the dark side - as kids
> we used to spend hours under the boardwalk collecting returnables
> that we cashed in for spending money.
> In Hawaii in the sixties it seemed like almost a macho thing to
> accumulate case-upon-case of empty beer bottles and have periodic
> group pilgrimages to the distiller/distributor to cash them in
> for more beer (much of which seemed tb consumed that very
> day....).
> But, for the most part, we seem to have the best government that
> money can buy.... and the bottled beverage industry's got money.
> --
> Pete Cresswell
Yes, that's a big chunk of the problem. Now the macho thing is to
throw away with casual disregard for anything. I see beer cans left
everywhere, particularly the pretty spots that call for a beer. Sure,
have the beer, but get a fine too if you forget your trash.
But we must recycle like they do in Norway. It's a machine that gives
you the change and everything. Smart folks.
On Apr 5, 4:30 pm, mind <being@.... --- -- .> wrote:
> It might be possible to get rid of something wrong
> by chopping off a piece that isn't right. What's left
> will still not be all right. There will always be wrong
> as long as right exists in one's mind.
Arrakis teaches the attitude of the knife - chopping off what's incomplete and saying: 'Now, it's complete because it's ended here.'
On Apr 6, 9:07 am, linuxgal <linux...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
> On Apr 5, 4:30 pm, mind <being@.... --- -- .> wrote:
> > It might be possible to get rid of something wrong
> > by chopping off a piece that isn't right. What's left
> > will still not be all right. There will always be wrong
> > as long as right exists in one's mind.
> Arrakis teaches the attitude of the knife - chopping off what's
> incomplete and saying: 'Now, it's complete because it's ended here.'
And you may use his "wisdom" to justify tyranny on the grounds that
"freedom" is a mental construct. I use the word to include ROAMING
FREE, not voting for one party or another, so I talk about things that
you can do.
On Apr 5, 4:30 pm, mind <being@.... --- -- .> wrote:
> linuxgal wrote:
> > TibetanMonkey wrote:
> >> Imagine this sign, "Anyone found trashing the Garden of Eden will be
> >> expelled." It sounds more reasonable that God expelled Adam & Eve over
> >> reasons like these instead of the silly fruit. The world is making
> >> sense now.
> >At least Adam and Eve made their clothes from fig leaves. God made them
> >better clothes from the fur of animals but it left a bloody mess.
> While the world might be making sense
> in the mind of he who calls himself TibetanMonkey,
My vow of modesty doesn't allow me to talk about myself except to
prove you wrong.
Tell me in what way the story of Adam & Eve, the serpent and the fruit
made sense to you.
> > > On Apr 5, 7:38 am, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
> > > <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > Someone provided this video the other day, and it's really sad that we
> > > > have trashed paradise...
> > > It was a commercial on TV long ago. I remember it well.
> > Now it's like nobody wants to listen that we have become a
> > throw away society. Saving and moderation are taboo ideas
> > nowadays. Carter used to encourage people to save energy,
> > but today those are words used by the wimpy.
> Just think how much have have wasted of our natural resources!!!!
> 1: The millions of buffaloes roaming the plains of
> North America.
> 2: The Native American Indians depended on the buffaloes
> for food and clothing.
> 3: The forests we cut down for lumber and farmland.
> 4: The contamination we spread throughout our land.
Yep, and all in the name of a "progress" that translates into living a
sedentary life without meaning. Indians were happy roaming free on
their horses but now they also got the white man diseases: obesity,
diabetes and alcoholism. We can't be riding horses no more, but we
could be riding bicycles.
On Apr 7, 12:25 am, Wes Groleau <Groleau+n...@FreeShell.org> wrote:
> On 04-06-2012 14:33, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
> > sedentary life without meaning. Indians were happy roaming free on
> > their horses but now they also got the white man diseases: obesity,
> > diabetes and alcoholism. We can't be riding horses no more, but we
> That's not the only thing the white man gave them. He gave them the
> horses, too. Before that, they got around by their own muscles.
The horses escaped the Spaniards, and it was later taken away from the
Indians by civilization. Same civilization that gave us the bike and
deny us space.
I'm seeing the glass half empty, but I want to question our "march
toward progress" as a positive step. The minute we became too
sedentary that's when we became stupid. Nowadays we only care about
keeping the machine going no matter what the cost is in human lives
and suffering.
> > The shoreline where I launch my kayak is like that. It's a marginal
> > mangrove but the water is really polluted and the garbage is floating
> > all over. I think very few people care and the authorities and
> > affluent people look the other way. Maybe they never visit these areas
> > because they live in the beautiful part of town, the infamous Gated
> > Communities. Well, this filth --multiplied by the filth from the
> > motorboats-- is blown away across the bay and ends up on the
> > shorelines of beautiful parks and public attractions. One of these
> > attractions next to the water has a band playing and you feel good
> > with the music and the view, but the garbage sits right there. And you
> > must wonder about the sad state of this world. I hear there's a
> > garbage island --twice the size of Texas-- in the middle of the
> > Pacific Ocean. Why?
> > It must be that the health of the planet is a low priority for our
> > leaders. If dogs and cats can be trained to keep their crap under
> > control, so can we. Don't blame our monkey mind for it. Yes, we tend
> > to resist training but we do respond to reward and punishment. Others
> > are fully civilized and do not need to be told what to do. It's all
> > common sense. But that's only my humble opinion.
> > In places like Norway there's no litter found anywhere. Gated
> > Communities have no litter. So it's all possible. Why is it that our
> > communities have been trashed? When was the last time they issued a
> > ticket for the mundane act of littering? Why don't they place cameras
> > where littering is a problem?
> > Imagine this sign, "Anyone found trashing the Garden of Eden will be
> > expelled." It sounds more reasonable that God expelled Adam & Eve over
> > reasons like these instead of the silly fruit. The world is making
> > sense now.
> Organise a Day-A-Month Cleanup Campaign (DAMC) with your local Christian
> Church Youth League (CHUL).
> They can spend the day picking up crap etc. which should make them feel
> good. Tell them each piece of crap etc. they pick up earns one point which
> is redeemable in heaven - I guarantee you they will want to have DAMC
> everyday. In fact, assuming this is in America which has a 76% practicing
> Christian following, I am surprised that there is any litter around at all -
> or I suppose its the 25% heathens causing all the litter!
> After the DAMC they can sit around a camp fire singing Kumbaya My Lord.
Yeah, good strategy. But I'm sorry to say that my community is full of
shit despite having a strong membership in church. I have to make sure
they understand that Adam & Eve were kicked out for trashing Paradise.
TibetanMonkey wrote:
>I'm seeing the glass half empty,
Yes. You tend to do that.
Once the glass is divided, there are two.
You seem to have a compulsion to divide.
Perhaps you are obsessed. Possessed even.
> but I want to question our "march
>toward progress" as a positive step.
Progress means good.
Good implies bad or not-good.
Where there is plus there is minus.
When something is gained, something is lost.
Some folks don't quite understand
some of the implications of the process.
What's good for furniture
is bad for old growth trees.
What is an improvement, a parking lot,
destroys what was originally unimproved, sacred,
pristine, beautiful in its own nature, without blemish.
Your question can be a beginning. A journey
of twenty-five thousand miles begins with a first step.
Thinking it is positive or not-positive is a thought.
> The minute we became too
>sedentary that's when we became stupid.
Where smart exists, stupid is there too.
When or if you judge, divide, separate, carve, and sew froth,
you evoke a paradigm of your own making.
> Nowadays we only care about
>keeping the machine going no matter what the cost is in human lives
>and suffering.
Your, "we" is your fantasy. Your group. Your set.
Others may share it. You then enter the same boat.
You load it full of your divisions, your judgments, your
belongings to the boat.
> I'm sorry to say that my community is full of
>shit despite having a strong membership in church.
When a glass is divided it is at least part full.
You see it as full of shit. The division is yours.
Where you draw your lines you draw is something of your own doing.
Karma connotes doing.
Your doing. Your karma.
While you post your cross-
posts to buddhist, zen and taoist groups,
you appear to not quite get an essence
of what is to be found within.
> I have to make sure
>they understand that Adam & Eve were kicked out for trashing Paradise.
If that's your story
and you have a compulsion to stick it
width that fashion at length, then the depth
of touching the Tree of the Knowledge of good\bad
will remain a poison and your death of sorts.
To return to Paradise, in various traditions or myths,
involves and revolves around becoming again
as a small child or infant or newborn.
As such, the Tree of Life is available. Dao. Nirvana.
You appear, however, to be stuck as you stick
your measuring stick in the mud. You are full.
Your cup, your glass, your community.
Traditions which suggest being empty,
of letting go, of doing an about face, of returning,
repenting, of not-doing what one was doing
which said doing got them in the jam they were in,
those traditions are available for those with an eye
or an ear, or a mind capable of a sense
that can sense beyond the glasses
you are unable to let go of.
You might know you are seeing the glass have empty
but do you know about the glasses you're wearing?
The spectacles you view your world view through?
In the Tao Te Ching
it could be said to say that an answer is to forget
about knowledge and wisdom. You however
may be unable to do such a thing.
You might be chained to your way.
A slave of sorts to the shit you find inside
a community you claim as yours.
The cross you bear can be a bear.
Grizzly at times. A stuffed animal too,
when seen through and through
a different light or glass.
> > > The shoreline where I launch my kayak is like that. It's a marginal
> > > mangrove but the water is really polluted and the garbage is floating
> > > all over. I think very few people care and the authorities and
> > > affluent people look the other way. Maybe they never visit these areas
> > > because they live in the beautiful part of town, the infamous Gated
> > > Communities. Well, this filth --multiplied by the filth from the
> > > motorboats-- is blown away across the bay and ends up on the
> > > shorelines of beautiful parks and public attractions. One of these
> > > attractions next to the water has a band playing and you feel good
> > > with the music and the view, but the garbage sits right there. And you
> > > must wonder about the sad state of this world. I hear there's a
> > > garbage island --twice the size of Texas-- in the middle of the
> > > Pacific Ocean. Why?
> > > It must be that the health of the planet is a low priority for our
> > > leaders. If dogs and cats can be trained to keep their crap under
> > > control, so can we. Don't blame our monkey mind for it. Yes, we tend
> > > to resist training but we do respond to reward and punishment. Others
> > > are fully civilized and do not need to be told what to do. It's all
> > > common sense. But that's only my humble opinion.
> > > In places like Norway there's no litter found anywhere. Gated
> > > Communities have no litter. So it's all possible. Why is it that our
> > > communities have been trashed? When was the last time they issued a
> > > ticket for the mundane act of littering? Why don't they place cameras
> > > where littering is a problem?
> > > Imagine this sign, "Anyone found trashing the Garden of Eden will be
> > > expelled." It sounds more reasonable that God expelled Adam & Eve over
> > > reasons like these instead of the silly fruit. The world is making
> > > sense now.
> > Organise a Day-A-Month Cleanup Campaign (DAMC) with your local Christian
> > Church Youth League (CHUL).
> > They can spend the day picking up crap etc. which should make them feel
> > good. Tell them each piece of crap etc. they pick up earns one point which
> > is redeemable in heaven - I guarantee you they will want to have DAMC
> > everyday. In fact, assuming this is in America which has a 76% practicing
> > Christian following, I am surprised that there is any litter around at
> > all -
> > or I suppose its the 25% heathens causing all the litter!
> > After the DAMC they can sit around a camp fire singing Kumbaya My Lord.
> Yeah, good strategy. But I'm sorry to say that my community is full of
> shit despite having a strong membership in church. I have to make sure
> they understand that Adam & Eve were kicked out for trashing Paradise.
> mmmmmm - on second thoughts maybe best to approach The Church of the Devil
> or one other such 'Dark' churches and get them on board the clean-up
> brigade. That will stir up the limp wristed lot into perhaps picking up a
> paper or two between verses.
> Where I live we don't seem to have too much of a problem with litter, the
> local council does a pretty good job employing street sweepers and crap
> picker-uppers - except in car lots and parking spaces where louts eat their
> MacDonalds in their cars and then leave the leftover garbage and packets
> either side of where the car was parked. However I must give credit where
> its due, they do leave the empty packets and garbage in neat little piles.
> This all I fear stems from the PC society. When teachers at schools tell the
> children to pick up their litter, they just plainly refuse claiming that
> that is the job of the cleaner. Maybe there's something in that, provides
> work for someone?
> When I was at school and if you were caught littering you got a good
> canning - which had the result that you littered only once in your life.
> Bring back corporal punishment I say - shoot the fuckers in public, could
> make for good entertainment. Commit a crime and get hung, by the balls on
> the first offence, by the neck on the second. And for those that just happen
> to be innocent but found guilty by bad luck - stiff, get hung anyway just in
> case they did something illegal and were not caught!
On Apr 8, 9:13 am, linuxgal <linux...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
> mind wrote:
> > TibetanMonkey wrote:
> >> I'm seeing the glass half empty,
> > Progress means good.
> > Good implies bad or not-good.
> > Where there is plus there is minus.
> > When something is gained, something is lost.
> Gaining is not permanent, losing is not permanent, but the cycle of
> gaining and losing is permanent.
The Wisdom of the Jungle teaches differently. At times is similar to
Buddhism, at times it differs dramatically. You fight a problem until
you solve it, such the trashing problem. Sometimes you don't fight and
let it be, such as the drug policy. You must be adaptable to survive
in the jungle and do the smart thing.
