Explain the paradise if the US went away...
enki
arrivial of the US on the world stage and how it would be better if it
didn't exiest. You can even argue that democracy would not exiest if
the american revolution didn't happen. Until american thinkers came up
with a workable democratic system democracy was not seen as a stable
form of governmnt. Only eliets and kings had the ability to govern.
Go back to 1770 England was getting more democtratic but still had a
king with significant power. Most every country was ruled my monarchs
and they feuded for pieces of each other terriroty. The kings didn't
suffer the consquences of war the people did and they had little say in
their governments.
a_friend
And from the 1600s until 1865 the US had a system of slavery. Kings
didn't rule the US, but US citizens have the power to rule the lives of
individuals with a different skin colour. Kings had loyal subjects
where Americans had men, women and children as slaves that could be
killed on a whim.
Of course, there we also the 40s that saw the US drop two atomic
weapons wiping out life as no ohters had done.
Where the history of monarchs has included women who ruled and governed
as Queens and Consorts, the US sought to reverse that and women were
denied a democratic vote.
Yes, the US brought us to paradise.
rugged individuals
"a_friend" <a_f_r_...@hotmail.com> wrote
> And from the 1600s until 1865 the US had a system of slavery. Kings
> didn't rule the US, but US citizens have the power to rule the lives of
> individuals with a different skin colour. Kings had loyal subjects
> where Americans had men, women and children as slaves that could be
> killed on a whim.
> Of course, there we also the 40s that saw the US drop two atomic
> weapons wiping out life as no ohters had done.
The Soviet gulags cancelled lives in a different way, of course, but the
numbers of dead are more -- shall we say -- impressive. Dead is dead
regardless of methodology used to effect the outcome. The "Christian" slave
owners of the antebellum South didn't organize a holocaust of humanity like
the well educated architects of communist society. Chattel slavery was
cruel, and the lives of the slaves unimaginably horrible in many cases, but
remember that the slaveowners valued their "property", and made efforts to
protect it the same way they fed and shetered their horses. They didn't
engage in wholesale slaughter of innocents for the sake of ideology or raw
power.
And, regarding your second point, there's no denying the truth that 200,000
dead via "Fat Man" and "Little Boy" was preferable to 2 million dead via
conventional warfare. Rejoining the plasma of the universe in a flash is
probably a better death than the prolonged agony of dying from unattended
wounds on a battlefield. (I'll grant that those who lingered with burns and
radiation sickness, and latent effects such as cancer years later, didn't
get off quite as well.)
>
> Where the history of monarchs has included women who ruled and governed
> as Queens and Consorts, the US sought to reverse that and women were
> denied a democratic vote.
>
Yes. And the enlightened Soviet regime gave women equality with men --
almost a first in history. Of course the equality didn't amount to much
because the comrade women got to be production units of the state (slaves)
just like the men.
> Yes, the US brought us to paradise.
Maybe you missed enki's point. His request was for his readers to
demonstrate how the world would be more paradisiacal if the USA did not
exist.
Now, there ARE fifth columnists in the US (some writing treasonous columns
for the NY Times) whose objective is the eliminate sovereign states (like
the US) for the purpose of initiating a utopian "super-state" governed as a
world federation, or some such nonsense.
It is they enki addresses.
The further we get from "we the people", the concept of the individual as
the source of power for the state, the less of a paradise we are likely to
achieve for our efforts.
I reprint here a very interesting bit of history (which I think bolsters
enki's contention of equality being an American invention):
From Robert Pirsig's "Lila":
"...Of all the contributions America has made to the history of the world,
the idea of freedom from a social hierarchy has been the greatest. It was
fought for in the American Revolution and confirmed in the Civil War. To
this day it is the most powerful, compelling ideal holding the whole nation
together.
And yet, although Jefferson called this doctrine of social equality
"self-evident," it is not at all self-evident. Scientific evidence and the
social evidence of history indicate that the opposite is self-evident. There
is no "self-evidence"in European history that men are created equal. There's
no nation in Europe that doesn't trace its history to a time when it was
"self-evident" that all men are created un-equal. Jean Jacques Rousseau, who
is sometimes given credit for this doctrine, certainly didn't get it from
the history of Europe, or Asia or Africa. He got it from the impact of the
New World upon Europe and from the contemplation of one particular kind of
individual who lived in the New World, the person he called the "Noble
Savage."
The idea that "all men are created equal" is a gift to the world from the
American Indian. Europeans who settled here only transmitted it as a
doctrine that they sometimes followed and sometimes did not .[Your point
about slavery and women's plight is acknowledged there.] The real source [of
the doctrine of equality] was someone [the American Indian] for whom social
equality was no mere doctrine, who had equality built into his bones. To him
it was inconceivable that the world could be any other way."
(When I read that I gotta tell ya I am profoundly moved.)
Happy Birthday America. Thank you for your unique gift to the history of the
world. May it be cherished, and preserved. May it thrive in the heart of
every human being. And God bless the people from whom the concept came.
AE
Are you claiming the US would be a democracy?
Two parties are chosing candidates with for a president that has power
quite similar to the king in a parlamentary democracy. The decision who
gets elected is more obviously based on capital, than in any other
western democracy and it is not even direct election of the president.
Large groups of population don't vote at all, so there is no
representation of majority of population.
a_friend
> "a_friend" <a_f_r_...@hotmail.com> wrote
>
> > And from the 1600s until 1865 the US had a system of slavery. Kings
> > didn't rule the US, but US citizens have the power to rule the lives of
> > individuals with a different skin colour. Kings had loyal subjects
> > where Americans had men, women and children as slaves that could be
> > killed on a whim.
> > Of course, there we also the 40s that saw the US drop two atomic
> > weapons wiping out life as no ohters had done.
>
> The Soviet gulags cancelled lives in a different way, of course, but the
> numbers of dead are more -- shall we say -- impressive. Dead is dead
> regardless of methodology used to effect the outcome. The "Christian" slave
> owners of the antebellum South didn't organize a holocaust of humanity like
> the well educated architects of communist society. Chattel slavery was
> cruel, and the lives of the slaves unimaginably horrible in many cases, but
> remember that the slaveowners valued their "property", and made efforts to
> protect it the same way they fed and shetered their horses. They didn't
> engage in wholesale slaughter of innocents for the sake of ideology or raw
> power.
Agreed. So the US and Soviet systems are on par.
> And, regarding your second point, there's no denying the truth that 200,000
> dead via "Fat Man" and "Little Boy" was preferable to 2 million dead via
> conventional warfare. Rejoining the plasma of the universe in a flash is
> probably a better death than the prolonged agony of dying from unattended
> wounds on a battlefield. (I'll grant that those who lingered with burns and
> radiation sickness, and latent effects such as cancer years later, didn't
> get off quite as well.)
I love when the religious champion mass destruction...a demonstration
of love for their fellow humans.
> > Where the history of monarchs has included women who ruled and governed
> > as Queens and Consorts, the US sought to reverse that and women were
> > denied a democratic vote.
> >
> Yes. And the enlightened Soviet regime gave women equality with men --
> almost a first in history. Of course the equality didn't amount to much
> because the comrade women got to be production units of the state (slaves)
> just like the men.
Yes. The US and Soviet systems have similarities.
> > Yes, the US brought us to paradise.
>
> Maybe you missed enki's point. His request was for his readers to
> demonstrate how the world would be more paradisiacal if the USA did not
> exist.
I got the point. It is one of arrogance that ignores a much more
complicated history.
> Now, there ARE fifth columnists in the US (some writing treasonous columns
> for the NY Times) whose objective is the eliminate sovereign states (like
> the US) for the purpose of initiating a utopian "super-state" governed as a
> world federation, or some such nonsense.
> It is they enki addresses.
Evolution, dear religionist. That which adapts survives. That which
does not, becomes extinct.
> The further we get from "we the people", the concept of the individual as
> the source of power for the state, the less of a paradise we are likely to
> achieve for our efforts.
Propoganda is propoganda.
> I reprint here a very interesting bit of history (which I think bolsters
> enki's contention of equality being an American invention):
Revisionists.
enki
It is curious where this idea that all people are created equal came
from. I have never realy studdied the history of that idea. It is
somthing we take for granted this mantra but where did we get this idea
that we are equal. The US was the first modern contry that was based
on this idea although that it was far from a reality when the country
began still it was an ideal and goal.
I have some done some reading and democracy has some roots in the Roman
Republic. Yes, there was no king but that government had no king but
in no way respected rights in any systematic way. Citizenship was
given in excange for loyalty. Instead of conquering other elites they
absorbed them.
In norther Europe there was a democratic tradition I do believe of
Celtic and Norse people. Again I am not sure to what extent they
respected universial rights and equality.
I do believe in the basic teaching and approach of Jesus you can find
some seeds of equality. You can argue that various churches did not
foster this point of view and it is probibly true. Later on you have
variations is the many interpitations of that message. In past times
gods crated and communicated with the eliets and heros. Jesus goes to
the lowest and down trodden to tell them they had value and any one
could choose to live their life with value.
Topaz
America is to destroy the White race.
It's a Wonderful Race
by James Bronson
There once was a college freshman named George who thought he knew it
all. One night over dinner, George got into an argument with his
father. The argument began when the young student tried to explain to
his father that as White people, they should be held accountable for
all the evils that they had inflicted upon non-Whites througout
history. George explained: "Because of European racism, we stole the
Indians' land, we held blacks in slavery, we persecuted the Jews, and
we plundered the environment. We've been oppressive racists for
thousands of years so it's only fair that we pay economic reparations
for all the harm we've done to the world. I'm pleased to see that we
are ending our political and economic domination of the oppressed
peoples."
George's dad was shocked to hear such talk. "Who put such commie-pinko
nonsense into your head, boy? Did one of your sandal-wearing hippie
college professors teach you that?" the father asked.
To which the son replied: "That's the truth dad. My anthropology
professor, Dr.Irving Silverstein, says so. He ought to know. Dr.
Silverstein is a well-respected Ph.D. People of your generation just
don't understand because you were raised in a White supremacist racist
society. That's why I've come to admire Dr. Rev. Martin Luther King as
the greatest man in American history. He stood up to the racists of
your generation. Because of him, my generation of White kids is
completely colorblind."
The father angrily replied: "That's bullshit! I've always been
fair-minded and tolerant of people from all backgrounds and races. I
haven't 'oppressed' anybody, and furthermore there's nothing wrong
with being proud of one's own people, including the European race of
people. Your race is in your blood. It's like an extension of your
biological family and you ought to be proud of your European heritage
and identity, just like every other racial group in America is proud
of its. Why is it OK for them to have a strong sense of racial
identity but it's evil for us Europeans to feel that way?"
The young "intellectual" laughed at his father. "Come on dad, that's
the kind of crap Hitler tried to peddle. Those racist attitudes were
discredited years ago. There's only one race and that's the human
race. Diversity is our greatest strength. Differences in so-called
"race" are as insignificant as differences in belly buttons. And
besides, UN statistics now show that low White birth rates, along with
the fact that we live in an multicultural
society, will mean that Europeans and their ethnocentrist and racist
culture will have died out by the end of the century," young George
said.
Turning red with anger, the father yelled: "You are a walking cliché
you know that boy? And you think it's a good thing that the European
peoples of the world will have faded out and ceased to exist?" Young
George replied; "I think it's great! It will mean the end of racism
and the end of hate. The oppressed peoples of the world would have
been better off if us racist Europeans had never existed to begin
with."
Suddenly there was a blast of cold wind, an explosion, and a huge
smoke cloud. When the smoke had settled, George found himself alone
and lost in a cold open field. An angel named Clarence then appeared
to him and said "Well George, you've got your wish."
George asked: "Where am I? What's going on here? And who are you?"
The angel answered, "George, I'm Clarence the Angel. I was sent here
to show you what the world would have been like if Europeans, or
Whites, had never existed. You now live in a world where Europeans
never existed."
"Oh. That's cool. I'll have no problem adapting because there's not a
racist bone in my body. And when I get back to my world, I'll be able
to tell my professor and my friends how great this non-racist world
was. Say, I'm freezing my ass off out here. Where's the nearest
motel?"
"Motel?" replied the angel. "There are no motels here in what was once
called North America. But there are some caves up in those mountains
where you can find shelter."
"Caves? No way man. I want a nice warm bed to sleep in."
"I don't think you understand George. There are no buildings here in
non-white America because the evil Europeans never came here to build
them. Whites never existed, remember? The natives live in tents. Would
you like to go meet some local Indians? Perhaps they'll let you stay
in a tent."
"A tent? But it's 10 degrees outside?...Oh well. It's better than a
cave I suppose. Let's go talk to these Indians...... Wait a second,
are these Indians friendly or hostile?"
"Why, George, that's a racist question to ask. Just because some
Indians were brutal savages who scalped their victims alive, it
doesn't mean they all were" said the angel sarcastically.
"I know that Clarence. And I'm not a racist. I hate racism.
Nonetheless, I'd feel safer if I could have a gun to defend myself if
they turn out to be violent."
"Gun?" replied the angel. "There are no guns for you to defend
yourself with. Firearms were invented by evil Europeans. Though we
could make a spear with those twigs over there."
"That's too much work. Give me a telephone then. I'll call the Indians
to ask if it's OK."
"Telephone"? replied the angel. There are no telephones here.
Alexander Graham Bell was another evil white man, so he never existed.
No Europeans remember?" "Forget it then" replied George. "I'll sleep
in the damn cave."
Upon arriving at the cave, a shivering George asked the angel for a
lighter so that he could light a fire. "A lighter?" replied Clarence.
"There are no lighters here, and no matches. Those are European
gadgets and evil Europeans never existed remember? If you want to get
warm, you need to do like the locals do and start rubbing twigs
together."
"Oh come on man! You mean to tell me these people still rub sticks
together for fire?"
"That's right George. The Indians live exactly as they did before the
evil pilgrims arrived from Europe just a few centuries ago." said the
angel sarcastically.
"I refuse to stay in this cold cave and I damn sure ain't gonna light
a fire with twigs, and I refuse to sleep in a teepee. I'll go to South
America. I can make it in a warmer climate and I'll adapt quickly to
the great Incan civilization I learned about at college. Since
European racists like Columbus, Cortez and Pizzaro never existed, the
Incans will still be there.
... I need a car"
"Car?" replied the angel. "There are no cars here. Daimler and Benz,
the evil German inventors of the internal combustion engine, were
never born..nor was Henry Ford. There are no paved roads either. This
is a world without evil Europeans remember?"
"No cars! Oh. I'll just have to take a train."
"There are no trains in this world either George. Evil Europeans
weren't here to build locomotive engines or to discover the many uses
of coal, oil and gas, or to build trains or lay tracks. But I'll allow
you to cheat just a bit. Grab hold of my magic robe and we'll fly
south."
George touched the angel's robe and they flew south until they arrived
in an abandoned mud hut in the midst of Incan territory. George was
grateful for the warm weather but it wasn't long until he began to
complain about the heat and humidity.
"Clarence, this hut is a little shithole and I'm sweating up a storm
here. Get me an air-conditioner please."
"Air-conditioner?" replied the angel. "There are no air-conditioners
here. Air conditioning and refrigeration were inventions created by
evil White men." "What?!! You mean to tell me that in the year 2002
these people still haven't figured out a way to keep themselves or
their food cool? a frustrated George asked.
"No George, they haven't. And they never will."
"This is ridiculous. Let's go to the main city to see the Emperor. I
can't live like like this. Where's a car...oh I forget...no cars!
Dammit I'll walk. let's go."
After walking through the jungle for about an hour or so, it began to
get dark. George then asked Clarence to give him a flashlight so that
he could see. "Flashlight? Sorry George, but Thomas Edison was an evil
White man too...and he was never born. There are some branches over
there if you want to make a torch."
"Never mind that!" George shouted back.
By morning time, Clarence and George had arrived at the temple of the
Incans. A bloody human sacrifice was in progress. George turned to
Clarence and cried, "They're going to butcher that poor soul! Somebody
has got to stop this. What horrible murdering beasts! Can't anyone
stop them?"
The angel replied "I'm afraid not. Ritual killings are common place
here."Those evil European racists like Columbus, Cortez and Pizzaro
never existed so the Incans just continued their brutal ways. In fact,
it was the oppressed peoples themselves who made up the bulk of the
Spanish armed forces. The people saw the Spaniards as liberators who
would rid them of the oppressive Incan and Mayan rulers and give them
a better life."
"I can't blame them for helping the Spaniards then. This is a horrible
place. Get me out of this shithole now!" said George.
'Where would you like to go?" Clarence replied.
George said: "Take me to Africa, maybe there's a more advanced and
humane civilization there that I can fit into. Where the nearest
airport?"
"Oh, I forgot...no Wright Brothers." George said. "How about a boat?"
"Boats?" replied the angel. "I'm afraid the most seaworthy rafts
available to you won't be of much help in crossing the vast Atlantic
Ocean. The great Viking sailors and European navigators never existed.
No Phoenicians, no Leif Erikson, no Henry the Navigator, no Columbus,
no Magellan, no Hudson and no Robert Fulton. Even if you could build
your own ship, there would be no compass for you to navigate with and
no sextant either. I'm afraid you're stuck here George."
"Can I touch your robe and fly to Africa then" asked George.
"You're cheating again George, but all right. Touch my robe and we'll
fly to Africa."
When they arrived in Africa, George saw thousands of half-naked
African tribesmen being herded along a dirt path. They were guarded by
other Africans with spears. "What are they doing to those poor men?"
George asked Clarence.
"They are being enslaved by another tribe. Slavery was common in
Africa long before the whites arrived." Clarence said. "In fact, most
of the slaves who were shipped to the Americas were sold to the slave
traders by African tribal leaders."
"That's so sad.' George said. "I want to meet Martin Luther King.
Since his White assassin never existed, this great man should still be
alive. He's probably a great tribal chief somewhere and leader of an
advanced civilization. He will free these slaves from their African
masters. Take me to him Clarence."
Clarence led George to a little hut deep in the heart of Africa. The
naked women and children looked at George in wonder. The young men
were out on a hunt but the older men stayed behind. George was led to
the dingy little hut of the tribal witchdocter and spiritual leader.
There he saw a wild-looking man with a necklace of teeth around his
neck and a huge ring pierced through his nose. "What the hell is that?
George asked.
"Meet Witch-doctor Matunbo Lutamba Kinga" Clarence said. He never
became Reverend Martin Luther King because there were no universities
or seminaries built to educate him. Europeans weren't there to create
such opportunities. But he did become the tribe's spiritual leader. He
specilaizes in casting evil spells. Perhaps he can help you?"
The witch doctor gazed in wonder at George. Then he motioned to his
henchmen to seize young George. The tribesmen grabbed hold of George
and tied him to a nearby tree.
"Stop it! Let me go. What are they going to do to me?" cried George
hysterically.
"They're going to perform a ritual killing on you George. The good
doctor King...I mean Kinga -- believes that by cutting your heart out
while you are still alive, it will bring good fortune and fertility to
his tribe," laughed Clarence.
"Clarence! Clarence! Help me Clarence! Help me!
"But George, you told me that you wanted to go to Africa and to meet
your hero Reverend King."
George said: "This part of Africa has not developed yet. I can see
that now. Take me to North Africa where Egypt and Carthage established
great civilizations. Just get me out of here, please."
Just as the witch doctor's spear was about to carve out George's
heart, George vanished into thin air. He then found himself on the
banks of the river Nile in Egypt.
"Thank you Clarence. Thank you," George said. "I don't understand it
Clarence. Why does so much of the world remain so brutal and
primitive? I learned during Black History Month about many talented
black inventors and scientists. Garrett Morgan, George Washington
Carver, Benjamin Banneker, Granville Woods. Then there's Dr. Carson,
the preeminent brain surgeon in all of America. Where are these men?"
Clarense replied: "Don't you understand yet? America, and Africa,
exist exactly as they did before the Europeans discovered them.
Civilization as you had known it had only been introduced to these
people just a few centuries ago by the Europeans. There are no
universities, no hospitals, no means of transportation other than
animals, no science, no medicine, no machines. In fact, the wheel
hasn't even been discovered in Sub-Saharan
Africa! Those black scientists, inventors, doctors, athletes, and
entertainers you speak of were never given the opportunity to realize
their full human potential because Europeans weren't around to
introduce higher civilization and learning to them. There are no
George Washington Carvers in this non-European world, no Dr. Carsons,
no Booker T. Washingtons, no Benjamin Bannekers, no Michael Jordans,
no Oprah Winfreys, no Bill Cosbys, no..."
"Stop it! That can't be!" cried George. "Let's walk over to the great
pyramids of Egypt right now and I'll show you one of the great wonders
of the world .....built by non-Whites"
They walked a few miles before George stopped and asked where the
nearest toilet was. "Toilets?" replied the angel. There are no toilets
or urinals in this world. Plumbing was developed by evil Europeans.
The people in this non-White world still relieve themselves in open
fields."
Clarence turned around so George could do his business. "I need some
toilet paper." George said.
"Toilet paper?" replied the angel. "There..."
"I know. I know. Toilet paper hasn't been invented yet. Just hand me a
rag then".
Clarence obliged and the two of them went on their way.
"I don't understand. According to my recollections from Geography
class, the great pyramids should be near this very spot. We ought to
be able to see them from miles away," said George.
"Well, George, I'm sure your professors at the college never told you
this, but the ancient Egyptians were not black or brown. They were
Caucasians. The anthropologists who examined the Egyptian mummies
confirmed this fact. There are no pyramids and no Sphinx either. And
the Carthaginians were White too."
George became depressed, but he was determined to prove his beliefs.
"What's in Europe?" he asked.
"Europe became populated by Huns and other Asiatic tribes. They've
settled down a bit but life is much the same as it is in North
America. A nomadic existence based on hunting and food gathering. No
great cities, no science, no buildings, no culture, no fine art - just
a hard daily struggle against life and the elements of nature. In a
Europe without evil Whites, the Roman Empire never existed nor did the
Greeks. There was no Renaisance either."
"Take me to Asia then. Surely the great civilizations of Persia,
India, China, and Japan will suit me" George said. "Clarence, to the
Taj Mahal please." "The Taj Mahal?" replied the angel. "Don't you know
that the ancient Persian and Indian civilizations were established by
ancient Indo-European tribes who crossed the Himalayas? They are the
ones who civilized India and built the Taj Mahal. Those are the great
civilizations
that Marco Polo, Columbus, and others were searching for.Did you know
that Iran is Persian for "land of the Aryan?"
George said: "Don't tell me that the Indians were White men! That
can't be. In the world I came from, I knew many Indians and they were
not White!"
Clarence explained: "As the centuries passed, the Indo-Europeans who
created Indian civilization intermarried with the native majorities
who populated the Indian subcontinent. Gradually there were less and
less evil White people until they faded out completely, along with the
advanced civilization they had built. You will notice that there are
still a few white-skinned and fair-haired Indians and Pakistanis
around today -- in the world you came from that is.
George became worried. He knew he could never fit into the harsh
primitive world he had been thrust into. Suddenly he thought of Japan.
"Japan! I'll show you now Clarence. Take me to Japan. If the Japanese
can make TVs and cameras then I'm sure I'll find a decent civilization
that I can live in."
Clarence transported George to Japan. George observed that Japanese
society was the most orderly, advanced and civil that he had seen, but
it seemed as if almost everyone was either a rice farmer, a fisherman,
or a soldier. There were no cars, no skyscapers, no lights, no
stereos, no sciences, no technologies, no universities. It was a
stagnant agricultural society that seemed to have reached its high
water mark and was incapable of moving forward. George knew he could
not live here either.
Clarence explained to George: "Even the industrious Japanese and
Chinese peoples had to rely on the evil Europeans to build the modern
Asia that you had in mind. In this world, Japan exists exactly as it
did before Commodore Perry's American naval ships arrived in Japan in
the 1850s. There's no industry, no technology, no Fuji film, no Sony,
no Hitachi, no Panasonic, no Toyota, no Sushi bars, no baseball...none
of the trappings or comforts of modern life. These things don't exist
in Japan or anywhere else because
Europeans weren't there to create them and share them with the rest of
the world. Would you care for a bowl of rice George?"
George began to feel sick in both his body and his mind. Not only was
he depressed, but exposure to the harsh elements of nature had left
him physically ill. "Clarence, I seem to have contracted some type of
sickness. I must have some anti-biotics."
"Anti-biotics? There's no...
"Oh Shut up already! Then just take me back to the world as it was!"
"Sorry George. I'm not authorized to do that. Only my boss can make
that call." Clarence said to him: "You see George. Your father was
right. You really had a wonderful race. Don't you see what a foolish
mistake it is to be ashamed and guilty about your own people, and to
let them die out? This is what the world would be like without the
creative spark of Edison and Ford and Pasteur and Marconi. No great
scientists, or mathematicians, or inventors or fine artists. No
Archimedes, no Aristotle, no Socrates, no
Alexander, no Renaissance, no Newton, no Kepler, no Goddard, no
Mendel, no Tesla, no Faraday, no Guttenberg, no Shakespeare, no
Dickens, no Twain, no Mozart, no Beethoven, no Da Vinci, no
Michelangelo, no Galileo, no Copernicus. No Venice, no Paris, no
Lisbon, no Madrid, no Zurich, no Berlin, no St. Petersburg, no
Budapest, no Rome, no Milan, no Vienna, no London, no New York, no
Rio, no Sydney. No orchestras, no museums, no universities, no
hospitals, no libraries, no theaters, no radio, no books, no
television, no electricity, no refrigeration, no heating, no plumbing,
no houses, no steel, no stadiums, no vaccines, no cars, no planes, no
trains, no ships, no
dentists, no surgeons, no computers, no telephones, and most important
- there's no creative genius to be found that could create and sustain
such a high level of civilization. There's nothing for the people of
this world to build upon. It's just a daily struggle for subsistence.
A brutal planet where the few people who aren't mired in eternal
ignorance and darkness have reached their peak of civilization and are
advancing no further."
Clarence went on to lecture the broken and depressed young man for
seven days straight. He covered everything. History, science,
economics, philosophy, art, literature, fine music, architecture,
medicine, politics, agriculture, religion, and all the creations and
contributions that the European peoples had made in every conceivable
field of human endeavor. George listened closely to every word. He
felt like a man who had been
reborn.
After his lecture, Clarence the Angel floated away towards heaven. "I
hope you have found all this to be educational, and I hope you have
learned an important lesson. Enjoy your world George!" mocked the
departing angel.
George began to sob like a baby. It was the year 2002 and he was alone
and hungry in a backwards world where Europeans had never existed. He
cried out to the stars: "Please God. I see what a fool I've been. I
understand now what my father was trying to tell me. I want to go back
to the world that I came from. A world where Europeans not only
existed, but blessed the rest of humanity world with their unique
creative ability. I want to live in a civilized world. Please
God!...take me back!...take me back!...Oh God....please."
Suddenly George was transported back to his college dormitory. Drunk
with joy, George jumped into the showers before he could even take his
clothes off!.
"Warm water! and soap! Life is beautiful!" he screamed.
George's floormates looked at him as if he was crazy. "George! Have
you gone crazy?" asked a bewildered schoolmate.
"No my friend. I haven't taken leave of my senses. I've come to them!"
George replied. George then began to sing classic European folk songs
in the shower. Miraculously, he was able to sing in many different
languages. He sang O Sole Mio in Italian, Amazing Grace in English,
Gloire Immortelle in French, Das Ist Der Tag in German, and also
Belgian, Spanish and French ballads and waltzes. Tears of sheer joy
began to stream down his cheeks. The degenerate music of Hip-Hop and
Rap lost all of its appeal to young George.
After his shower, George drove to a nearby restaurant and ordered two
whole entrees. One was Lasagna and the other was a delicious Veal
Marsala. With his Italian food he had a Greek salad with Spanish
olives and Russian dressing, drank a whole bottle of French wine,
followed by a German pastry for dessert. He finished his meal off with
a hot cup of English tea and a Cuban cigar.
George said out loud: "Oh those European peoples and their delicious
cuisine. Clarence was right after all. What a wonderful race!"
George was happy, but at the same time he realized there was much work
to be done. He thought of all those poor whites in Rhodesia and South
Africa who were being murdered and raped ever since they gave up
control of those once-European nations. He thought of the many
thousands of qualified Whites who were passed up for good jobs and
college entrance because of racial quotas that discriminate against
Europeans. He thought about the declining birthrates among all the
European nations of the world. He remembered that
Europeans everywhere were dwindling in numbers every year even as
their own nations were being flooded with third world immigration. He
recalled the O.J. Simpson verdict and how millions of blacks in
America cheered when that brutal double murderer was set free by a
black jury after he stabbed two Whites to death. He remembered the Los
Angeles riots of 1992, where dozens of Whites were dragged out of
their vehicles and killed like dogs in the streets by packs of
White-hating monsters who were never even punished! He remembered the
time when Jesse Jackson led a cheer at Stanford University: "Hey Hey
Ho Ho, Western Civ. has got to go!" His European blood began to
boil in righteous indignation when he recalled how Jesse Jackson once
said he had spit in White people's food when he was a young restaurant
worker. George now understood that that his people were on a collision
course with worldwide disaster and genocide. George realized that this
great people must not perish from the face of the earth.
George could not wait to see his father. He longed to embrace him and
apologize for all of the foolish and disrespectful things he had said
to him. But first, George had a score to settle with a certain college
professor. He walked into Dr. Silverstein's auditorium and quietly
took a seat in the back row. The nasal voiced Silverstein was
lecturing on and on
about racial and gender inequalities in European-centered
civilizations. It was vintage Silverstein. George's impressionable
White schoolmates, with their baggy pants, hip-hop clothes and
backwards baseball caps, were swallowing Silverstein's poison pills
hook, line and sinker. After letting Silverstein spew his cultural
poison for about 15 minutes or so, George raised his hand so that he
could give the professor a piece of his newly educated mind.
"George? Is that you? I remember you from last semester. I wasn't
aware that you were here today. I failed to recognize you in that
shirt and tie, and without your earrings. You must have enjoyed my
course so much that you signed up again eh? Class, I'd like for you to
meet George. He was one of my brightest students last semester. He
truly has a thorough grasp of the ideas presented in this course.
George, would you be so kind as to tell my class about that brilliant
term paper you wrote about European racism,
imperialism, and the need for monetary reparations?"
That's when young George let loose on the unsuspecting Professor.
"ENOUGH! You scheming devil! You mendacious fabricator of falsehoods!
You pusillanimous purveyor of pinko propaganda! How dare you try to
corrupt and manipulate our young minds when your filthy lies. We
Europeans have nothing to be ashamed of, nothing to apologize for, and
everything to be proud of. And most of all, we don't owe anybody
jack-shit - not one thin dime! To the contrary, it is the rest of
humanity that owes us a debt which can never be repaid! We are the
rightful heirs and protectors of a rich cultural heritage. You vile
manipulator! We are the sons of the Romans, the sons of
the Greeks, the Celtics, the Vikings, the Normans, the Saxons. Why do
you inflict shame and guilt upon us? We Europeans didn't just
contribute to civilization...WE ARE CIVILIZATION! And I declare that I
will no longer tolerate you shithead "intellectuals" trying to tear
our people down. Never again will we walk on eggshells when we speak,
always fearing that we might be called "racist." I no longer care what
people think. All that matters is the truth which you have sought to
pervert!"
"What are you up to anyway? Why do you to corrupt my young peers by
shoving false heroes down their throats. Enough of your Marxist games
of divide and conquer, you commie pinko subversive! I don't want to
learn anymore about Martin Luther King, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton or
Black History Month. They would not have amounted to anything without
the institutions of high civilization created by the European peoples.
I'm going to set this class straight about who the truly great men of
history are - the European
statesmen, scientists, explorers, monarchs, navigators, conquerors,
inventors, artists, writers, philosophers - the innovative giants of
history that you and your ilk have erased from our collective
memories. You speak of a world liberated from European influence?
Permit me tell your students about such a world, Silverstein, because
I can speak from personal experience, you wretched little conspiring
monster!"
Silverstein turned white as a ghost. He was shellshocked and rendered
speechless for the first time in his career! Never in all of his years
at the University had a student dared to so boldly challenge his
falsehoods. Speaking from the heart as well as the mind, and with an
eloquence he never thought he could muster, George broke out into a
60-minute monologue on history, science, philosophy, culture, and all
the other attributes that
constitute high civilization. The young students were captivated by
George's brilliant oratory. Many were moved to tears. By the end of
his tirade, George's reawakened classmates were thundering their
approval of his speech. The class gave George a standing ovation and
they thanked him for helping them rediscover and reclaim their own
sense of pride and lost identity. The unstoppable power of truth had
melted away years of Marxist guilt tripping, self hate, wimpishness
and cultural brainwashing in just one unforgettable hour. The inspired
students proceeded to storm out of Silverstein's class,
throwing their hip-hop baseball caps and nose earrings at him as they
stampeded out and vowed never to return. They lifted George up upon
their shoulders and carried him out of the auditorium like a
conquering hero. With a glint in his eye, George glanced up towards
the sky, winked and said "Thank you, Clarence."
Dr. Silverstein was left humiliated and visibly shaken. He knew that
these reawakened European kids could never again be brainwashed with
"political correctness" and White guilt. Silverstein's greatest fear
was that more of these proud European youths would one day reawaken
and take their country and civilization back from the Silversteins of
the world.
Silverstein was worried, but he remained confident that most young men
and women would never learn the truth about their glorious past and
unique creative abilties. After all, the mass media, Hollywood, the
music industry, the colleges, and the public schools are all
controlled by "liberals" like Dr. Silverstein. With the power of
political correctness in their hands, they can continue to tear down
our European ancestors, destroy our
institutions and traditions, instigate blacks and other races against
the whites, flood America with third-world immigration, and push
"hip-hop" music, homosexuality, and other garbage onto a weak,
confused and morally degenerate youth. After reflecting upon these
facts, Silverstein smiled a devilish grin and muttered to himself: "A
few of these European sheep may wake up to what's being done to them,
but the majority of these idiots never will." And he smiled
again....and laughed with diabolical Marxist glee. Then
he repeated to himself "No...they will never figure it all out until
it's too late."
Or will they?
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enki
Topaz wrote:
> The US is ruled by Jews who hate the White race. The main goal of
> America is to destroy the White race.
>
> It's a Wonderful Race
>
> by James Bronson
> There once was a college freshman named George who thought he knew it
What draws you to these ideas? Have you ever made an effort to find
good people in all forms? I can relate to the perception that society
is suffering a loss of values. I am percieving that you allow this
fustration to believe in consparicies. It is tempting to resort to
conspariciay when people make choices you disagree with. I know
hispanic women who critizize gringas for their lack of value and caring
about their family or they have the steriotype that while women are
self centered bitches.
I recently read a book called the modern mind and the author Peter
Watkins cited a theory the move for more individuality has lead to
isolation. I do find is an intersting idea to explore.
Don't give me some cut and paste responce because I won't waste my time
reading it.
It is not religon and racial consparicies that are doing this the
relationship is spurrious. I don't metaphysically know what the cause
it there is any moral decline although there may me more reporting
making us thingk there is.
Still there are people who have beliefs that I disagree with. I
disagree with you and others out there it is fustrating. You are an
off shodt of darwinist thinbking. You make a judgment saying that one
set of charastics are better than others. The truth of evolution is
that success is that certian traits are more successful for a given
enviornment.
I think religon is good for you. Man was created by a loving and if
you like a perfect god in that image. Jesus came to us and taught us
to love ourselvs and our neighabors and we all can choose to live in
diginity. What I have learned in life the first place I look in times
of fustration is myself. I can't control the lives of others but it is
up to me to create the life I want for myself.
rugged individuals
"a_friend" <a_f_r_...@hotmail.com> wrote
> Evolution, dear religionist. That which adapts survives. That which
> does not, becomes extinct.
I could answer your glibness on many levels.
The first is to say I don't quite follow where you're going with the
comment.
Then I could say, you should at least try reading (as a start on the
subject) Coulter's chapter on evolution in "Godless [etc.]" in which she
carefully pulls together the evidence (amply footnoted for references to the
materials that buttress her argument) that "evolution" is not a particularly
useful "theory" if you're interested in dealing with reality and truth.
Then I could ask how a superstate, with no unifying concepts beyond the
overarching ideology ("new world order") and urge of a few to dominate the
many, represents an adaptation conducive to survival. As the underlying
theme of many of our prior discussions suggests, I would have to contend
that the paroxysms that are certain to attend (are attending) the
implementation of the "one world" adaptation demonstrate that it is a fatal
mutation that will be neither viable nor self-propagating.
Then I could argue your contention that adaptation (change) is necessary for
survival. The Tao says that "that which bends" survives. So the survival
mechanism is flexibility [contrasted with rigidity] not evolutionary
transformation of the yin-yang kind in which the thesis becomes its
antithesis in "the circle of change". To say that evolution (in ideas)
conduces to survival is illogical when you think about it. If the idea
evolves (changes), in what way does it survive? That is why flexible
absolutism must contend to the end with rigid relativism. That is why
freedom being carried forward on a well-founded ark of, for example, Church
doctrine -- or strict constructivism (originalism) in constitutional law --
is not incongruous.
Then I could remind you that adaptation for survival is only necessary in a
changing environent. If there is a stable,homeostatic system, no change is
necessary. In the political realm, if power is exerted conservatively to
preserve the status quo, then transformations of the system won't occur. If
"we the people" remember that we are the source of power and wield our
power, then the statists and super-statists won't be able to change that
environment.
>> The further we get from "we the people", the concept of the individual as
>> the source of power for the state, the less of a paradise we are likely
>> to
>> achieve for our efforts.
>
> Propaganda is propaganda.
And reality is reality. Individual freedoms are better realized and
protected under the "American theory of government" than under any other
plan of government that exists today. (And hard as it is for me to admit,
it's probably more sustainable than the historical concept of the saintly,
Christian king benevolently ruling over his lands and subjects in humble
concord with and ultimate allegiance to a loving pontiff humbly serving all
as prince among princes of the earth.)
>> I reprint here a very interesting bit of history (which I think bolsters
>> enki's contention of equality being an American invention):
>
> Revisionists.
Ah, but remember (unless YOU are a propagandist yourself) to "revere truth
wherever it is found".
Pirsig -- and I'm sure others -- uncovered something there that is
significant today when the [European] model of rule by the few (elites of
whatever kind choosing to make a play for power) contends for dominance in
increasingly ugly ways with the [American] model of rule by the many
(individuals of any kind choosing to stand together in protection of
commonly held rights.)
a_friend
> "a_friend" <a_f_r_...@hotmail.com> wrote
>
> > Evolution, dear religionist. That which adapts survives. That which
> > does not, becomes extinct.
>
> I could answer your glibness on many levels.
> The first is to say I don't quite follow where you're going with the
> comment.
Okay. Some understand, some don't.
> Then I could say, you should at least try reading (as a start on the
> subject) Coulter's chapter on evolution in "Godless [etc.]" in which she
> carefully pulls together the evidence (amply footnoted for references to the
> materials that buttress her argument) that "evolution" is not a particularly
> useful "theory" if you're interested in dealing with reality and truth.
That's fine. I have pointed out and perhaps I should clarify. I am not
a conservative and I a not a liberal. You seem to be making assumptions
about what I believe. For the record, I think there are some flaws in
evolutionary theory, however, that is a different discussion.
> Then I could ask how a superstate, with no unifying concepts beyond the
> overarching ideology ("new world order") and urge of a few to dominate the
> many, represents an adaptation conducive to survival.
Assumes we should unify. Assumes there should be a superstate. Assumes
that I would support a new world order.
> As the underlying
> theme of many of our prior discussions suggests, I would have to contend
> that the paroxysms that are certain to attend (are attending) the
> implementation of the "one world" adaptation demonstrate that it is a fatal
> mutation that will be neither viable nor self-propagating.
I've never advocated for a new world order.
> Then I could argue your contention that adaptation (change) is necessary for
> survival. The Tao says that "that which bends" survives. So the survival
> mechanism is flexibility [contrasted with rigidity] not evolutionary
> transformation of the yin-yang kind in which the thesis becomes its
> antithesis in "the circle of change". To say that evolution (in ideas)
> conduces to survival is illogical when you think about it. If the idea
> evolves (changes), in what way does it survive? That is why flexible
> absolutism must contend to the end with rigid relativism. That is why
> freedom being carried forward on a well-founded ark of, for example, Church
> doctrine -- or strict constructivism (originalism) in constitutional law --
> is not incongruous.
When you take my comments out of context and compare me to others, yes,
this might seem problematic. However, I didn't make those claims.
The same issue remains. Problems with evolutionary theory, then reverts
us back to mystical thinking that therefore a god must exist. Mystical
thinking is common to psychiatric disorders as I recall.
> Then I could remind you that adaptation for survival is only necessary in a
> changing environent. If there is a stable,homeostatic system, no change is
> necessary. In the political realm, if power is exerted conservatively to
> preserve the status quo, then transformations of the system won't occur. If
> "we the people" remember that we are the source of power and wield our
> power, then the statists and super-statists won't be able to change that
> environment.
So confusing. I thought your god had the power. ;)
Therefore there must be a god. More mystical thinking from those with
psychiatric illnesses. Of course, evolutionary theory is inadequate to
the task, so Aztec gods must be in control. Lets run to the volcano and
push in the nearest virgin. Is god in the room with you now?
Help will be forthcoming. Some are able to seek the help they need,
others need help or support and others may need a certain degree of
force from the state. Soon the delusions/hallucinations will be gone.
AE
> ...
> It is curious where this idea that all people are created equal came
> from. I have never realy studdied the history of that idea. It is
> somthing we take for granted this mantra but where did we get this
> idea that we are equal. The US was the first modern contry that was
> based on this idea
I'd guess you are stressing the sentence "... nor deny to any person
within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." in the Bill
of Right that was added in the year 1868? One should be aware that the
guarantee of equal protection isn't the same as the claim everybody
would be equal.
Equality was a central point in French Revolution (1789-1799) and
became part of the french constitution - more than half a century
before it became part of US constitution.
> although that it was far from a reality when the country began still
> it was an ideal and goal.
And it is still far from reality in the US.
> I have some done some reading and democracy has some roots in the
> Roman Republic. Yes, there was no king but that government had no
> king but in no way respected rights in any systematic way.
The roots of democracy are in ancient Greece - manely in Athen more
than 600 B.D., and there were quite well respected rights.
When talking about Rome we have to distinguish between rights (that
quite well existed for Romans) and laws (that were the very base of the
Roman Empire).
> Citizenship was given in excange for loyalty. Instead of conquering
> other elites they absorbed them.
>
> In norther Europe there was a democratic tradition I do believe of
> Celtic and Norse people. Again I am not sure to what extent they
> respected universial rights and equality.
These are two different subjects, right?
Universal rights are an idea that to my knowledge was first formulated
in a strict form by Jean-Jacques Rousseau (1712-1778), while there were
attempts in that direction already in Athen more than 600 B.C.
As far as I can see, equality is first time explicitely mentioned by
Kant.
> I do believe in the basic teaching and approach of Jesus you can find
> some seeds of equality.
Wrong. There is explicit inequality of men and women in Bible - as well
in Old as in New Testament.
As well slavery is explicitely mentioned and allowed as well in Old as
in New Testament.
As far as equality of races is concerned, there might be some
tendencies in New Testament to reduce the extreme rascism promoted and
lived in Old Testament (primarily but not only by distinguishing
explicitely between God's people and the rest of the world), but I
don't see attempts would have been mad to remove it completely.
> ...
Topaz
>
>What draws you to these ideas? Have you ever made an effort to find
>good people in all forms?
I never said that other races, besides Jews, are not good. But the
darker races are on average less intelligent than Whites.
The former White nations and Japan are the first world. The Black
nations and India are the third world. In the middle, or the second
world are the Arabs and China. It is just as racialists would predict.
It is because the White race is on average much more intelligent than
the Black race. The people in Japan are much lighter in color than the
people in India.
All IQ tests have proven that Whites are on average much more
intelligent than Blacks. White people invented just about everything
important. Most leftists admit that Whites on average score higher on
the tests. They have their excuses for it, but all of their excuses
are demolished in "My Awakening" by David Duke. Here is an example:
"One of the most powerful direct studies of race and environment
was conducted by psychologists Sandra Scarr, Richard Weinberg and I.
D. Waldman. All three were quite well-known for their environmental
opinions. The study analyzed White, Black, and Mixed-race adopted
children in more than 100 White families in Minnesota. The study was
an egalitarian's dream, because the children's adoptive parents had
prestigious levels of income and education and were anti-racist enough
to adopt a Black child into their own family. Scarr is a strong
defender of racial equality and maintained that environment played an
almost exclusive role in IQ differences between the races. Scarr
supports the importance of heredity in causing individual differences
within a race, but she has argued that between-race differences are
mostly environmental.
The children in the study included Whites, Blacks, and Mulattos as
well as the biological children of the White adoptive couples. At the
age of 7, the children were tested for IQ, and all of the groups
including the Blacks and Mulattos, scored above average in IQ. Scarr
and Weinberg published a paper claiming to have proven the almost
exclusive power of environment over race in IQ, even though they had
to admit that the White children, whether adopted or not, scored well
above the Black and Mulatto children and that the Mulatto children
scored above the Blacks. (88)
A decade later, when the children reached the age of 17, a
follow-up study was conducted that that again included IQ
measurements. As they matured, Black children had dropped back to an
average of 89 in IQ, which is the average IQ for Blacks in the region
of the United States where the study was done. The White adopted
children scored an average of 106 in IQ, 17 points higher than the
Black children, which is consistant with traditional studies of Black
and White IQ differences. In line with genetic theory the half-White,
half-Black Mulatto adopted children scored almost exactly between the
adopted Whites and Blacks. (89)
RESULTS OF MINNESOTA TRANSRACIAL ADOPTION STUDY
IQ
Parental IQ 115.35
Biological Children 109.4
White Adopted children 105.6
Mulatto parents adopted children 98.5
Black parents adopted children 89.4
Scarr and Wienberg reluctantly published their data from the
follow up survey, but they waited close to four years to do so, almost
as if they were embarrassed by what they had found. Through a tortured
reasoning process, they still argued that environment played a
dominant role in IQ. But in their follow-up survey, unlike their first
paper, they also admitted that genes had an important impact as well.
Both Richard Lynn and Michael Levin effectively showed in their
re-analysis of Scarr's own data, that genes clearly comprise the
dominant role in intelligence levels of those adopted children. (90)
(91)"
(88) Scarr, S, & Weinberg R. A. (1976). IQ Test Perfomance of Black
Children Adopted By White Families. American Psychologist. Vol. 31.
p.26-739
(89) Weinberg, R. A. , Scarr, S., & Waldman, I. D. (1992). The
Minnesota Transracial Adoption Study. A Follow-Up of IQ Test
Performance at Adolescence, Intelligence. Vol 16.
p.17-135
(90) Lynn, R. (1994). Reinterpretations Of The Minnesota Transracial
Adoption Study. Intelligence. Vol. 19. p.1-27
(91) Levin, M. (1994). Comment on The Minnesota Transracial Adoption
Study. Intelligence Vol. 19. p.3-20
> I can relate to the perception that society
>is suffering a loss of values.
It has a loss of values because it is ruled by evil Jews.
> I am percieving that you allow this
>fustration to believe in consparicies.
Here are some quotes from "The Shadow of Zog" by Israel Shamir:
Jeff Blankfort writes, "Ardently pro-Israel American Jews are in
positions of unprecedented influence within the United States and have
assumed or been given decision making positions over virtually every
segment of our culture and body politic". And he quotes Benjamin
Ginsberg's "The Fatal Embrace: Jews and the State":
"Jews played a central role in American finance during the 1980s, and
they were among the chief beneficiaries of that decade's corporate
mergers and reorganizations. Today, though barely 2 % of the nation's
population is Jewish, close to half its billionaires are Jews. The
chief executive officers of the three major television networks and
the four largest film studios are Jews, as are the owners of the
nation's largest newspaper chain and the most influential single
newspaper, the New York Times".
Is it a conspiracy of Jews to steal the Republic? No, no conspiracy is
necessary. In Jules Verne's juvenile novel, Children of Captain Grant,
a villain leads the captain's ship astray by placing a magnet brick
beneath the compass. The magnet does not conspire: it constrains the
compass. The sheer mass of self-involved Jews in the media acts in a
similar way and draws the superpower off its normal course. For the
media is the nerve system of a modern state. Modern democracy in
practice in a very complicated society can be compared to a
sophisticated computer. Its machinery can function successfully on one
condition: there is a free flow of information across the system.
While every input is instinctively checked and sieved on one
criterion, whether it is good for Jews..
Thus, concentration of Jews in the media created the distortion. A
takeover of every other part of industry or trade would be noticed and
reported in the media; but there is no remedy for media takeover...
Gandhi could be condemned as 'racist', for he 'noticed' the
privileged position of the British in India. By PC logic, a good
American should reply to Mahatma: yes, there are some rich and
powerful Brits in India, but there are also poor Tommy Atkinses,
governesses, honest administrators, writers like Kipling and Orwell.
On the other hand, there are powerful and rich Rajas, important
Brahmins. How do you dare, sir, to demand 'de-colonisation'! This is
sheer anti-English racism!
An old Indian Air Force officer Joe Thomas actually reminded that,
"while the population of the US today is approximately the same as the
population of India a century ago, the British in India never numbered
more than 50,000 and still ruled India. They did not rule India by
force but by dominating Indian discourse. Indians fought for the
British and put down rebellions. During the two world wars, millions
of Indians fought as volunteers for Britain. If such a tiny group
could control India, then it is not strange that 100 times that number
can influence the United States"...
Home Page of Israel Shamir:
<http://www.israelshamir.net>
<http://www.israelshamir.net>
> It is tempting to resort to
>conspariciay when people make choices you disagree with. I know
>hispanic women who critizize gringas for their lack of value and caring
>about their family or they have the steriotype that while women are
>self centered bitches.
The White world has been taken over by Jews and that is why it is
feminist.
Feminism is Jewish.
Gloria Steinem was a Jew. Bella Abzug was a Jew. Betty Friedan was
a Jew.
Friedan, as the writer of "The Feminen Mystique" and founder of
NOW, really
started the modern feminist movement.
"THE JEWISH 100: A Ranking Of the Most Influential Jews Of All Time"
By Michael Shaprio
# 56 Betty Friedan (b. 1921)
Born Betty Naomi Goldstein to Harry and Miriam (Horowitz) Goldstein in
Peoria, Illinois, educated at Smith College, married in 1947 to Carl
Friedan, the mother of three children, divorced in 1969, activist,
best-selling author, professor, a founder of the National Organization
for Women (NOW), the National Women's Political Caucus, and the First
Women's Bank, researcher, journalist, Democrat, clinical psychologist,
and grandmother, Betty Friedan was the most influential feminist of
the postwar era. Deemed by Marilyn French and others as an "initiator
of the 'second wave' of feminism, " Friedan's writings and lectures,
including the highly influential books THE FEMININE MYSTIQUE and THE
SECOND STAGE, synthesized women's views on what equality meant and how
to live and work... When the war against fascism ended two decades
later, four million women lost their jobs to returning GIs. Women were
again told that their place was in the home. The freedom to work to
build up and defend their nation was over. Men would earn the family's
bread. What the boys needed was a warm place to come home to every
night. Ironically, American soldiers had accepted some of the values
toward women (Kinder, Kuche, Kirche - children, kitchen, church) as
the Nazis they thought they had defeated...
>
>I recently read a book called the modern mind and the author Peter
>Watkins cited a theory the move for more individuality has lead to
>isolation. I do find is an intersting idea to explore.
Here is part of a speech by Rudolf Hess in East Prussia in July 1934
"Our nation has the good fortune today to be led largely by front
soldiers, by front soldiers who carried the virtues of the front to
the leadership of the state.
The rebuilding of the Reich was guided by the spirit of the front. It
was the spirit of the front that created National Socialism.
In the face of looming death at the front, ideas of social standing
and class collapsed. At the front, the sharing of common joys and
common sorrows led to a previously unknown camaraderie between
citizens. At the front, everyone could see that the common fate
towered above the individual fate."
>
>Don't give me some cut and paste responce because I won't waste my time
>reading it.
>It is not religon and racial consparicies that are doing this the
>relationship is spurrious.
Jews are doing this. Here is a quote from Mein Kampf:
"Thus another weapon beside that of freemasonry would have to be
secured. This was the Press. The Jew exercised all his skill and
tenacity in getting hold of it. By means of the Press he began
gradually to control public life in its entirety."
> I don't metaphysically know what the cause
>it there is any moral decline although there may me more reporting
>making us thingk there is.
Jews are the cause.
>
>Still there are people who have beliefs that I disagree with. I
>disagree with you and others out there it is fustrating. You are an
>off shodt of darwinist thinbking. You make a judgment saying that one
>set of charastics are better than others. The truth of evolution is
>that success is that certian traits are more successful for a given
>enviornment.
>
>I think religon is good for you.
Here is an article from Frauen Warte magazine, the National Socialist
Party's magazine for
women:
The Educational Principles of the New Germany:
What Schools and Parents Need to Know About the Goals of National
Socialist Education
German people, German parents! The new Germany created by our people's
chancellor Adolf Hitler places special demands on the German youth.
The German youth are a foundation of the rebuilding of the German
people and the German fatherland. The people and the fatherland place
their hands on the shoulders of the youth and determine what
educational and cultural values and goals are necessary for this youth
to meet the needs of people and fatherland. This requires a truly
national and social education for the German youth, and all involved
in education has to serve these educational and cultural goals with
their full energy. Parents and teachers above all!
All those involved in education must have a clear and unified idea of
the educational tasks before them. The four iron pillars of the
national school and educational system are: race, military training,
leadership, and religion!
Race
National Socialist education is an education in the thinking of the
German people, in understanding German traditions, in awakening the
pure, uncorrupted and honest people's consciousness, their sense of
belonging to the people. Only a pure member of the German race can
have such an understanding of his people, crowning it with the
willingness to sacrifice all for the people. He must know that without
his people he is a miserable nothing, and that it is better if he
himself die than that his people and fatherland perish! He who thinks
that National Socialist education has as its goal a kind of
hyperpatriotism has not understood it. Something entirely different is
intended. Something should be awakened in the soul of young Germans
that will fill their hearts and whole being until their souls can no
longer restrain the overflowing, until a powerful and jubilant "Hail
Germany" springs from their lips! That call itself is not the first or
most significant goal: rather it is its foundation in the soul, a
foundation that jubilantly, freely, confidently, cheerfully and
passionately expresses itself. It is the holy sense of people and
fatherland! Awakening this in the German youth requires that they have
a clear understanding of the value of people and fatherland. They must
realize that the German people has a right to independence and
freedom, honor and power. They must learn that it has a right to its
own fate among the peoples of the earth, and it must gain with the
other peoples the place in the sun that belongs to it. It must do this
not through force, rather because the German people is a noble nation
that has created values for the entire world that no other people was
capable of. We want to awaken in the German youth this free, righteous
and noble national pride so that at the thought of Germany's past,
present and future their hearts will pound and their eyes will gleam.
That is the first foundation of National Socialist education.
Military Training
It is clear that the German youth must be resolved to defend their
fatherland with their lives. Despite all the nonsense about promises
and disarmament, Germany is surrounded by weapons. The German youth
must learn military virtues. Their bodies must be steeled, made hard
and strong, so that the youth may become capable soldiers who are
healthy, strong, trained, energetic and able to bear hardships.
Gymnastics, games, sports, hiking, swimming, and military exercises
must all be learned by the youth. Our youth should not sit in stuffy
rooms and develop crooked backs and weak eyes. Alongside the basic and
truly important education of the mind, they should develop healthy
bodies by being outdoors. The idea of the healthy and strong German
should not be mere empty talk. Parents can help here. They will train
our youth in simplicity and cleanliness. They will train them, even
when they are older, not to waste their spare time by dubious or even
harmful activities such as card playing, drinking alcohol and bad
music, rather to prepare their bodies for their future tasks.
Leadership
A youth being trained for such important national duties must accept
the idea of following the Führer absolutely and without question,
without unhealthy carping criticism, without selfishness or
opposition. They must learn to obey so that they, having themselves,
having learned to obey, can believe in and trust their own leadership
and can grow to be leaders themselves. Only he who has learned to obey
can lead. Germany no longer believes that the masses can lead
themselves by majority rule! The masses themselves are nothing! We
need not a people ruled by majority votes, but a people with the will
to leadership. The German youth must learn that and act accordingly!
Thus the German youth belongs in organizations where they will learn
the nature of leadership in its most noble form, where they can learn
to obey and-if they are called to it-also learn to lead. They will not
bend to an empty mass will expressed through useless votes, rather
look with enthusiasm to the nation's strong and noble Führer. They
must learn that once again. We parents want to exhibit such authority
to our youth by strengthening family authority and establishing in our
homes a healthy and natural obedience on the part of our children.
This will not suppress the youth, rather provide them the controlled
freedom and authority they need to develop their abilities.
Religion
Life comes from God and returns to God. All life and all races follow
God's ordinances. No people and no race can ignore them. We want the
German youth to again recognize the religious nature of life. They
must realize that God wants the individual as well as the whole
people, and that they lose contact with life when they lose contact
with God! God and nation are the two foundations of the life of the
individual and the community. We want no shallow and superficial
piety, rather a deep faith that God guides the world, that he controls
it, and a consciousness of the relationship between God and each
individual, and between God and the live of the people and the
fatherland. The National Socialist state will promote such a deeply
religious educational system. We want parents to support and
strengthen this by honesty and by good example.
Race, military training, leadership, religion! These are the four
unshakable foundations of the new German National Socialist education!
> Man was created by a loving and if
>you like a perfect god in that image. Jesus came to us and taught us
>to love ourselvs and our neighabors and we all can choose to live in
>diginity. What I have learned in life the first place I look in times
>of fustration is myself. I can't control the lives of others but it is
>up to me to create the life I want for myself.
John 7:1 "After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for he would
not walk in Judea, because the Jews sought to kill him."
John 20:19 "the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled
for fear of the Jews"
2 Co 11:24 "Of the Jews five times recieved I forty stripes save
one. Thrice was I beaten with rods, once was I stoned"
Mathew 27: 20+25 "But the chief priests and the elders persuaded the
multitude that they should ask Barabbas, and destroy Jesus...then
answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our
children."
Acts 25:24 "ye see this man, about whom all the multitude of the Jews
have dealt with me, both at Jerusalem and also here, crying that he
ought not to live any longer."
John 8:42,44,48 "Jesus said unto them...Ye are of your father the
devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from
the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth
in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a
liar, and the father of it...Then answered the Jews..."
AE
> ...
> For the record, I think there are some flaws in evolutionary theory,
> however, that is a different discussion.
Tell about them.
a_friend
Well, let's begin at the beginning. The oldest form of life from some
3.5 billion years ago are Archaebacteria. What is missing is the
evidence (other bacteria) that demonstrate that Eubacteria were derived
or evolved from Archaebacteria. As bacteria reproduce asexually, what
is missing is the "offspring" of Archaebacteria that results in
Eubacteria.
As bacteria reproduction is essentially a "clone" of the parent, please
explain how the Eubacteria is linked to the Archaebacteria.
Archaebacteria do not have nuclei. What is missing is evidence that an
organism without nuclei produced "offspring" with nuclei.
Further, as all life is connected back to an origin -- in this case
Archaebacteria. I would appreciate the explanation of how a single cell
bacteria created a non-clone offspring resulting in a multi-cellular
organism.
As a theory of origins, the multi-celled organism must follow the
single-celled organism.
Or, we can use another example. When two closely related species breed
together, they generally produce *sterile* offspring. Assuming that two
similarly related primates or early humans bred together, the offspring
would more than likely be sterile. What would the sterile offspring
breed with in order to produce another generation of the modified
genetic pattern. Even if several such pairings occured, sterile animals
don't produce offspring.
Or please explain how homo erectus (48 chromosomes) lost two
chromosomes, produced viable offspring, fertile offspring to lead to
humans which have 46 chromosomes. Two homo erectus who mated, or homo
erectus and another would have produced a genetic variation where the
evidence is overwhelming that the offspring would have been sterile --
if viable at all.
rugged individuals
"a_friend" <a_f_r_...@hotmail.com> wrote
> Therefore there must be a god. More mystical thinking from those with
> psychiatric illnesses. Of course, evolutionary theory is inadequate to
> the task, so Aztec gods must be in control. Lets run to the volcano and
> push in the nearest virgin. Is god in the room with you now?
>
Your streams of consciousness have a Joyceian quality to them. Kind of
surreal, meaningless for the most part, but melodic.
a_friend
Surreal indeed. Your god (father) almost killed you in a car. When a
mother almost kills a child and then save it, we tend to call it
Munchaussen Syndrome. Had you died in the car that day, we could also
say that your god (father) commited infanticide or homicide. These are
mental ailments and crimes.
If I took you to the brink of death and then saved you, you might be
tempted to call me "dad" or "god".
enki
>> enki's contention of equality being an American invention):
I made no contentin, or that I didn't say that. I said that the US is
the first stable large scale democratic government. Again I am
intersted by the history of equality but I have long since given up
trying to learn anything here.
a_friend
Enki is not equal to me.
enki
Topaz wrote:
> On 30 Jun 2006 18:26:47 -0700, "enki" <enk...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> >
> >What draws you to these ideas? Have you ever made an effort to find
> >good people in all forms?
>
> http://www.nationalvanguard.org http://www.natvan.com
> http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.RealNews247.com
As I said, I didn't read all of that.
AE
> >> I reprint here a very interesting bit of history (which I think
> bolsters >> enki's contention of equality being an American
> invention):
>
> I made no contentin, or that I didn't say that. I said that the US is
> the first stable large scale democratic government.
this sentence is an interesting construct, since it allows you to
define "large scale" and "stable" in a way that you could even be right
(against the actual historic reality).
The oldest still existing democracy is Switzerland. It's surely smaller
than the US, but it's more than a single city.
The oldest long-living democracies were in ancient Greece.
> Again I am intersted by the history of equality but I have long since
> given up trying to learn anything here.
Read my other postings, search for the keawords I'm giving and you
should have what you need.
AE
> AE wrote:
>> a_friend wrote:
>>> ...
>>> For the record, I think there are some flaws in evolutionary
>>> theory, however, that is a different discussion.
>>> ...
>>
>> Tell about them.
>
> Well, let's begin at the beginning. The oldest form of life from some
> 3.5 billion years ago are Archaebacteria. What is missing is the
> evidence (other bacteria) that demonstrate that Eubacteria were
> derived or evolved from Archaebacteria. As bacteria reproduce
> asexually, what is missing is the "offspring" of Archaebacteria that
> results in Eubacteria.
Maybe only a small number of them existed, so they won't ever be found.
Fossile record is full of gaps due to the small number of fossiles that
exists at all.
> As bacteria reproduction is essentially a "clone" of the parent,
> please explain how the Eubacteria is linked to the Archaebacteria.
> Archaebacteria do not have nuclei. What is missing is evidence that an
> organism without nuclei produced "offspring" with nuclei.
I don't think this evidence is actually required: Organisms with nuclei
do exists - that's enough evidence that they came to existence ...
> Further, as all life is connected back to an origin -- in this case
> Archaebacteria. I would appreciate the explanation of how a single
> cell bacteria created a non-clone offspring resulting in a
> multi-cellular organism.
Mutation or exchange of genetic material as existing in modern bacteria.
> As a theory of origins, the multi-celled organism must follow the
> single-celled organism.
Yes. So what?
> Or, we can use another example. When two closely related species breed
> together, they generally produce sterile offspring. Assuming that two
> similarly related primates or early humans bred together, the
> offspring would more than likely be sterile. What would the sterile
> offspring breed with in order to produce another generation of the
> modified genetic pattern. Even if several such pairings occured,
> sterile animals don't produce offspring.
On the other hand it is quite well possible that two races of the same
species separate far enough to make cross-breeding between them
impossible - which actually means the species split into two new ones.
> Or please explain how homo erectus (48 chromosomes) lost two
> chromosomes, produced viable offspring, fertile offspring to lead to
> humans which have 46 chromosomes. Two homo erectus who mated, or homo
> erectus and another would have produced a genetic variation where the
> evidence is overwhelming that the offspring would have been sterile --
> if viable at all.
So? If homo erectus a direct ancestor of us or not?
a_friend
There is evolutionary theory. A theory that scientists still work
towards proving of disproving. Arguing it as fact is another matter
entirely. This type of thinking is no different than theist who believe
in the existence of gods. However, as atheists, don't we always ask
them for evidence of the existence of what they beleive. It is
hypocritical for us as atheists not to have the same standard where our
beliefs are concerned.
Let's approach from this way. Let's consider two days in our history.
The day there was there first instance of life (let's call it X) or
when several forms of life appeared together on this planet. Now, let's
consider the day before. What we know of the primoridial soup *theory*
is that something happen to change non-living matter into living
matter. All of the theories of how this happened are problematic and
many scientists recognize these difficulties. As scientists and
atheists we should be able to construct a model and demonstrate that
non-living matter can convert into living matter. Otherwise, it is a
belief of hope or faith.
Just as we should be able to show that non-nucleic bacteria can convert
to nucleic bacteria.
a_friend
All democracies exclude children. All democracies allow the mentally
unstable and addicted to cast votes as well. How odd? I'm required to
be of sound mind to dispose of my possessions at my death, but sanity
is not a requirement for voting in a public official and determining
the structure and content of the government.
Apprentice
Topaz wrote:
> On 30 Jun 2006 18:26:47 -0700, "enki" <enk...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> >
> >What draws you to these ideas? Have you ever made an effort to find
> >good people in all forms?
>
> I never said that other races, besides Jews, are not good.
I have met a few people who are Jewish by birth. All of them have
eihter white or olive-white skin. If the ancient Egyptians and
Carthagians mentioned in your story are classified as part of the
white race then it is surely inconsistent to classify Jews seperately.
> But the
> darker races are on average less intelligent than Whites.
For the sake of argument let's assume this is true. TBH the matter
does not interest me a great deal. After all, I am characterized by my
personal IQ not my "racial IQ". Anyway what practical implications,
if any, are you implying? Do "Whites" have a moral obligation to
breed? Should "blacks" be sterilized? Should the two races be
segregated? What if I wanted to have children with a black women?
What about if that particular woman had an IQ of 140?
a_friend
Topaz deludes Topaz. The majority of whites that I met this past 2
weeks didn't finish high school. Of those that did, the majority didn't
attend college or university. I am white and I did. I am more the
exception than the norm.
Given some 13% of the population attend post secondary education, the
majority are hardly what we could consider educated or intelligent.
Topaz
1933 to the particular attention of the leading politicians of the
U.S.A. and of the international Jews who stand behind them. Our
defensive measures against international Jewry have aroused increasing
tirades against Germany in America. Sometimes it seemed as if it would
be impossible to increase the flood of hatred and lies...
After leading politicians such as the American Secretary of the
Interior Harold Ickes and Senator Pittman attacked the German
government in the foulest manner, President Roosevelt did even more in
his New Year address. He tried to persuade the American people that
world peace was not assured, and that it was the duty of the American
people to defend three vital principles: those of religion, democracy
and international good will. Roosevelt did not believe these
principles were threatened by Soviet Russia or Soviet Spain, rather by
authoritarian Germany and Italy.
Millions are dead in Soviet Russia and Spanish priests estimate that a
half million people have been murdered there only because of their
faith, but that is not important and proves nothing. The dead do not
trouble the American President's conscience, indeed they did not stop
him from being the single world statesman to congratulate the Soviet
Russian government on the anniversary of the Bolshevist Revolution. No
other statesman did this, which explains why no other statesman
received such praise from the Soviet press. The Soviet press praised
the "noble efforts of the great American statesman."
Roosevelt also ignored the murder of millions of people when it was
called to his attention by a letter from the former Spanish ambassador
in Great Britain, the Marquis de Merry del Wal. The ambassador told
Mr. Roosevelt the following:
Your country's press tells the world of Your Excellency's protests
against the "persecution of the Jews" in Germany. According to the
press, you are deeply distressed by these events. How is it then that
the murder and massacre of 400,000 defenseless men, women and children
in Spain has not resulted in the slightest distress on your part?
These unfortunate people did not die on the battlefields of a civil
war. They were torn from their homes and murdered in public not only
because of their political, but also their religious, beliefs. Their
murderers openly declared their goal of destroying the very
civilization that Your Excellency defends. They have intentionally
destroyed thousands of churches and monuments along with uncounted
works of art and private homes. They have torn the clothes from nuns
and revealed them to everyone's eyes. They raped women and looted to a
degree unknown in the annals of the Christian era.
Your own ambassador, Your Excellency, against all the laws, norms and
customs of international law, has been forced to live away from the
government to which he is accredited, since as he said his personal
security would otherwise be in danger. I further know, Your
Excellency, that you have received certain proof of my assertions, for
I have made efforts to ensure that you have received reports that
support what I have said. Despite that, Your Excellency, you complain
about events in Germany, events that cannot be compared with what is
happening in Spain-and you have not given even the slightest sign of
disapproval at the death of hundreds of thousands of people who have
18 million fellow believers who are among the best citizens of your
country, far more than the two million Jews.
These people have been murdered solely because of their beliefs. Mr.
Roosevelt however has never spoken of a threat to faith or religion.
But they were only believers in a Christian church, after all. Mr.
Roosevelt is conducting a crusade against the authoritarian states
under the banner of religion only because the religious compatriots of
his closest friends have been put in their place in the authoritarian
states.
If President Roosevelt believes that he has to take the field to
defend democracy, we may ask where and when we have ever threatened or
attacked democracy. In the past years Germany has done nothing more
than to partially undo the injustices inflicted on it by the
predecessor of the current president of the U.S.A. Germany has not
arbitrarily altered the map of Europe as he did, creating states
against the will of their peoples only for purposes of power politics.
It has only reclaimed its citizens who suffered a decade long under
governments foreign or hostile to Germany...
In a closed session, he told the Defense Committee of the Senate that
the United States must be ready to support England and France in the
event of a European war. The President reportedly even suggested that
definite agreements already existed to this effect. He further
proposed the unrestricted sale of war materials to Western Europe. The
only restriction was that they had to be able to pay for it. When a
member of the American Senate asked how this policy could be squared
with the law demanding strict neutrality over against Europe,
Roosevelt replied: "We'll cross that bridge when we come to it."
These revelations naturally were a sensation throughout the world. The
impact was greater than the master of the White House in Washington
wanted. He therefore denied the reports. The force of his denial was
somewhat weakened by excited reports in the American press in which
various members of Congress refused to be called liars, and
furthermore suggested that Roosevelt had said even more during the
session than has been reported. The force of the denial was also
weakened by a cynical article in a French newspaper that noted that
"the strength of the claim has not been weakened, for it is not a
matter of the letter of the law, but of the spirit."...
Roosevelt is acting as the mouthpiece and puppet of international
Jewry when he attacks the authoritarian states. They want to use every
means to destroy the newly awakened nations...
The leaders of the Soviet Union tried to persuade their people that
true communism could only develop after all the other states of the
world were allies of the powers in Moscow, and the Red rulers in
Soviet Spain tried and tried to conceal their governmental
incompetence by unleashing a world conflict. We are not surprised to
see the American President in such company. The real rulers of the
Soviet Union are the same as in the United States: international
Jewry.
The truth of this claim is confirmed by the behavior of the wife of
the American President. Mrs. Roosevelt, as a sign of her support for
the Spanish Bolshevist rulers, accepted a gift of stolen etchings by
Spanish masters. Mrs. Roosevelt chaired an exhibition of busts of
Spanish Communist leaders, made by the Jew Josef Davidson. She also
invited the well-known top Bolshevist Toller to lunch. She surrounds
herself with wounded bigwigs of Soviet Spain under whose orders
500,000 Spaniards were killed only because they were faithful to their
beliefs and their religion...
America today is not governed by men like Roosevelt, Ickes, etc.,
rather its fate is determined by the Jews who stand behind them, Jews
like Baruch, Frankfurter, Morgenthau, etc. They are the real rulers of
America, and Roosevelt, Ickes, etc., are only their tools. The fact
that this is known in America is evident from a variety of newspaper
articles. The "New York Daily News," for example, wrote that "the wave
of anti-Semitism in America has increased significantly in recent
weeks and months." The fact that the Jew Bernard Baruch, the
President's closest adviser, is called the unofficial president of the
United States is proof of this fact.
But enough of that. We refuse to interfere in the affairs of other
nations. We think that every country gets the Jews that it deserves.
But we demand the same principle be extended to us. Let Mr. Roosevelt
carry out his reforms and crusades in his own country. He will not
live long enough to do it all. We do not think we have yet seen
anything on the other side of the ocean that is worth imitating. We
think it not a sign of ability, rather of incompetence, that a nation
with such enormous resources and space, with all modern methods, finds
itself in such mass misery and is unable to do anything to alleviate
that misery.
Where would Roosevelt be if he had had to deal with the situation the
Führer faced when he took power in Germany? Mr. Roosevelt has
agricultural resources more than sufficient to feed the country, yet
his people are starving. His country has enormous resources, yet
millions are unemployed. There is only one conclusion to be drawn."
Topaz
>I have met a few people who are Jewish by birth. All of them have
>eihter white or olive-white skin. If the ancient Egyptians and
>Carthagians mentioned in your story are classified as part of the
>white race then it is surely inconsistent to classify Jews seperately.
Jews are an ethnic group. They are not just a religion. If a Jew
becomes a Christian or an atheist he still says he is a Jew. Most of
the Jews in the Jew country are atheist. They say that a Jew is anyone
that has a Jewish mother. Therefore it is a hereditary thing.
We are for having a nation of White people. Jews would be White enough
to join us if it weren't for other important factors. One factor is
that they don't want our race to live. They want to be the only
Caucasians to survive on the earth.
The Jews have their own Jew country, but they demand multi-culture and
pluralism for us. Their leaders agree with something Hitler wrote:
"A State which, in an epoch of racial adulteration, devotes itself to
the duty of preserving the best elements of its racial stock must one
day become ruler of the Earth."
Jews are enemies of White civilization. Here are some quotes
from a very pro-Jewish book that was first published in 1925. The book
is "Stranger than Fiction" by Lewis Browne.
"But save for such exceptions, the Jews who led or participated
in the heroic efforts to remold the world of the last century, were
neither Reform or Orthodox. Indeed, they were often not professing
Jews at all.
"For instance, there was Heinrich Heine and Ludwig Borne, both
unfaltering champions of freedom. And even more conspicuously, there
was Karl Marx, one of the great prophetic geniuses of modern times.
"Jewish historians rarely mention the name of this man, Karl
Marx, though in his life and spirit he was far truer to the mission of
Israel than most of those who were forever talking of it. He was born
in Germany in 1818, and belonged to an old rabbinic family. He was not
himself reared as a Jew, however, but while still a child was baptized
a Christian by his father. Yet the rebel soul of the Jew flamed in him
throughout his days, for he was always a 'troubler' in Europe."
"Then, of course, there are Ludwig Borne and Heinrich Heine, two
men who by their merciless wit and sarcasm became leaders among the
revolutionary writers. Karl Marx, Ferdinand Lassalle, Johann Jacoby,
Gabriel Riesser, Adolphe Cremieux, Signora Nathan- all these of Jewish
lineage played important roles in the struggle that went throughout
Europe in this period. Wherever the war for human liberty was being
waged, whether in France, Germany, Austria, Hungary, or Italy, there
the Jew was to be found. It was little wonder that the enemies of
social progress, the monarchists and the Churchmen, came to speak of
the whole liberal movement as nothing but a Jewish plot."
"The Jews had become the money lenders of Europe for quite
evident reasons. The Church sternly forbade all Christians to engage
in the pursuit...
"So the Jews became the money lenders of Europe. They developed
a great shrewdness and cunning in the one and only field of
opportunity left open to them. And with their shrewdness and cunning
they developed a certain cruelty and greed. That was natural. The
world was cruel to them, so when the chance was theirs, they were
cruel in return..."
>
>> But the
>> darker races are on average less intelligent than Whites.
>
>For the sake of argument let's assume this is true. TBH the matter
>does not interest me a great deal. After all, I am characterized by my
>personal IQ not my "racial IQ". Anyway what practical implications,
>if any, are you implying?
We should preserve the White race.
> Do "Whites" have a moral obligation to
>breed?
Yes
>Should "blacks" be sterilized? Should the two races be
>segregated?
Blacks should be living in their own nations and what they do should
be their business.
>What if I wanted to have children with a black women?
>What about if that particular woman had an IQ of 140?
That should not be allowed. You should be deported out for that.
a_friend
> On 2 Jul 2006 16:50:07 -0700, "Apprentice" <prp...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> >I have met a few people who are Jewish by birth. All of them have
> >eihter white or olive-white skin. If the ancient Egyptians and
> >Carthagians mentioned in your story are classified as part of the
> >white race then it is surely inconsistent to classify Jews seperately.
>
> Jews are an ethnic group. They are not just a religion. If a Jew
> becomes a Christian or an atheist he still says he is a Jew. Most of
> the Jews in the Jew country are atheist. They say that a Jew is anyone
> that has a Jewish mother. Therefore it is a hereditary thing.
It would be nice if the bigots just died off. You have more in common
with Jews than you would like to acknowledge.
Topaz
wrote:
>
>Topaz deludes Topaz. The majority of whites that I met this past 2
>weeks didn't finish high school. Of those that did, the majority didn't
>attend college or university. I am white and I did. I am more the
>exception than the norm.
>
>Given some 13% of the population attend post secondary education, the
>majority are hardly what we could consider educated or intelligent.
IQ
http://www.nationalvanguard.org http://www.natvan.com
http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.RealNews247.com
a_friend
Topaz wrote:
> On 2 Jul 2006 17:20:31 -0700, "a_friend" <a_f_r_...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> >
> >Topaz deludes Topaz. The majority of whites that I met this past 2
> >weeks didn't finish high school. Of those that did, the majority didn't
> >attend college or university. I am white and I did. I am more the
> >exception than the norm.
> >
> >Given some 13% of the population attend post secondary education, the
> >majority are hardly what we could consider educated or intelligent.
>
>
> The former White nations and Japan are the first world. The Black
> nations and India are the third world. In the middle, or the second
> world are the Arabs and China. It is just as racialists would predict.
> It is because the White race is on average much more intelligent than
> the Black race. The people in Japan are much lighter in color than the
> people in India.
If you are white and superior to others in terms of intelligence then,
why aren't you the President? Why aren't you a CEO of a Fortune 500
company? Why aren't you publishing instead of reading Mr. Duke? Not so
intelligent perhaps?
The racist can always finds ways to make their point. Racists are
better off dead. Hopefully their fear will kill them off.
Apprentice
Topaz wrote:
> On 2 Jul 2006 16:50:07 -0700, "Apprentice" <prp...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> >I have met a few people who are Jewish by birth. All of them have
> >eihter white or olive-white skin. If the ancient Egyptians and
> >Carthagians mentioned in your story are classified as part of the
> >white race then it is surely inconsistent to classify Jews seperately.
>
> Jews are an ethnic group.
One of many ethnic groups that qualify as "white".
> They are not just a religion. If a Jew
> becomes a Christian or an atheist he still says he is a Jew. Most of
> the Jews in the Jew country are atheist. They say that a Jew is anyone
> that has a Jewish mother. Therefore it is a hereditary thing.
>
> We are for having a nation of White people.
Who's "we"?
> Jews would be White enough
> to join us if it weren't for other important factors.
So you are subdividing the white race into Jews and non-Jews.
I think subdividing is a good idea but why stop there? Why not
subdivide as many ways as there are individuals?
> One factor is
> that they don't want our race to live. They want to be the only
> Caucasians to survive on the earth.
Like other ethnic groups Jews don't think as one. The politics
of ethinc Jews is as diverse as that of any other grouping and
only a tiny minority of Jews are guilty of what you accuse
them of.
> The Jews have their own Jew country,
You are equivocating between Jewish as an ethnicity and
Jewish as a religion. Israel is for people who are Jewish by
religion.
[snip]
> >> But the
> >> darker races are on average less intelligent than Whites.
> >
> >For the sake of argument let's assume this is true. TBH the matter
> >does not interest me a great deal. After all, I am characterized by my
> >personal IQ not my "racial IQ". Anyway what practical implications,
> >if any, are you implying?
>
> We should preserve the White race.
As an end in itself or as a means to some end? If the former, what
makes the end worthwhile, if the latter, what is the end?
> > Do "Whites" have a moral obligation to
> >breed?
>
> Yes
>
> >Should "blacks" be sterilized? Should the two races be
> >segregated?
>
> Blacks should be living in their own nations and what they do should
> be their business.
How does sharing a country with blacks interfere with anything of
importance to you?
> >What if I wanted to have children with a black women?
> >What about if that particular woman had an IQ of 140?
>
> That should not be allowed. You should be deported out for that.
Why not. Where's the harm? What about if I fulfilled my alledged
moral obligation to breed with a white woman and had these
mixed race children in addition?
a_friend
What an odd approach Apprentice. In a post I just responded to, you
stated "so be it" to the notion of introjected beliefs and knowledge.
Clearly, this is someone who was spoon-fed information about how to
hate Jews. A belief that was formed, likely as a child and helped along
with the opinion of a parent. Topaz has merely introjected this
information the same as you introjected beliefs about quarks.
Maybe so be it isn't the case.
AE
> ...
> There is evolutionary theory. A theory that scientists still work
> towards proving of disproving.
Not quite true. I don't know about any scientifically relevant
alternative to evolution. (I don't consider creation scientifically
relevant.)
> ...
AE
> AE wrote:
>> enki wrote:
>>> ...
>>> I made no contentin, or that I didn't say that. I said that the
>>> US is the first stable large scale democratic government.
>>
>> this sentence is an interesting construct, since it allows you to
>> define "large scale" and "stable" in a way that you could even be
>> right (against the actual historic reality).
>>
>> The oldest still existing democracy is Switzerland. It's surely
>> smaller than the US, but it's more than a single city.
>>
>> The oldest long-living democracies were in ancient Greece.
>>
>>> Again I am intersted by the history of equality but I have long
>>> since given up trying to learn anything here.
>>
>> Read my other postings, search for the keawords I'm giving and you
>> should have what you need.
>
> All democracies exclude children. All democracies allow the mentally
> unstable and addicted to cast votes as well. How odd? I'm required to
> be of sound mind to dispose of my possessions at my death, but sanity
> is not a requirement for voting in a public official and determining
> the structure and content of the government.
True, but off-topic.
a_friend
That isn't quit how it works. Scientists also notice similar things to
what I did in my post. However, the idea has been accepted as a fact,
rather than what it is -- a theory. Many accepted that the world was
flat as well. It was a hypothesis about the planet. A hypothesis that
was later proved to be inacurrate.
Scientists will also tell you this is a problem that evidence or an
explanation of how non-living matter made a jump to living matter
occured.
a_friend
Hardly. It is exactly on topic. The assertion has been that democracies
exist and as Enki wrote that we are created equally. The truth is that
this has not been the case. Even in ancient democracies, women, slaves
and children were excluded form the political process.
Even current US and Swedish models, exclude many from the the political
process -- most notably children.
The post was also on topic as democracy was being argued as an ends to
a means when the process itself is flawed. If you're comfortable
stating that addicts and the mentally ill are of sound mind then please
do so. Otherwise, it something that the democratic system allows for.
I'd rather have sound minded 14 year olds voting on their future than
alcoholics and crack addicts in their 20s, 30s, or 40s.
Apprentice
As I said, introjection is only as relibale as its source. My beliefs
about
quarks come from sources that I, rightly or wronglyt trust. I don't
know
what sources Topaz has been introjecting from but I very much doubt
they are valid sources to introject from. Also my experience tells me
that there is great diversity in political attitudes within any ethnic
group
including Jews. OTOH my experience tells me nothing about the
microscopic structure of matter.
a_friend
Same process but different information. How can you argue that your
sources are more reliable, trustworthy or authoritative on the subject?
I'm sure you thought your parents were each of these things. I'm sure
Topaz thinks his parents were those things.
Topaz believes what he does based on the same process that you come by
your beliefs. Given the widespread nature of bigotry, they may be right
and we may be wrong.
If Topaz wants to be a bigot then let him. It's no skin off of our
respective noses.
Topaz
"Light on the Dark Continent"
"Eye-opening observations of an American who has lived in Africa
for nearly 20 years."
Racism, Guilt and Self-Deceit (Self-Published) - Gedahlia Braun, 1993,
Reviewed by Jared Taylor, September-October, 1993
Dr. Braun has lived in Africa with only brief interruptions since 1976
and in South Africa since 1988. This book, in the form of a
chronological journal, describes how contact with the dark continent
quickly dispelled his liberal views and led to startling but plausible
conclusions that most Americans--even readers of AR--are likely to
find surprising.
Two Theses
Dr. Braun draws on his years of intimacy with Africans to support two
main conclusions:
The first is that virtually all Africans take it for granted that
whites are smarter than blacks. They haven't the slightest illusion
that they could have invented computers or built airplanes, and they
recognize that blacks and whites differ in moral and psychological
characteristics as well.
What is more, Africans are not the least offended by these
realizations. Unlike whites, they do not see any inherent immorality
in acknowledging racial differences. Some clever, westernized Africans
have discovered--just as American blacks have--that whites are
terrified at the thought of racial differences, and have learned to
manipulate this terror to their own advantage. But they, too, Dr.
Braun finds, can almost always be persuaded to acknowledge the
inherent limitations of Africans.
Dr. Braun's second thesis follows from the first: The vast majority of
South African blacks do not want black rule. They know from their own
experiences with black policemen and black bureaucrats that when
Africans are in positions of power they are corrupt, despotic, and
oppressive. Many blacks mouth the slogans of "liberation" but have
unrealistic, often ludicrous notions of what "liberation" is likely to
mean. Some, when pressed, will even admit that although they know
black rule would be a catastrophe for South Africa they pretend to
support it because they know that is what whites expect them to do.
Ultimately, as Dr. Braun recognizes, his observations illuminate the
terrible flaws in the white man. Without constant urging from liberal
whites, virtually all Africans would be content to put their fate in
the hands of a race that they recognize as smarter and more fair-
minded than their own.
Dr. Braun puts it this way:
(1) Blacks cannot manage a modern industrial democratic society;
(2) blacks know this and would never think of denying it were it not
for white liberals insisting otherwise;
(3) except for those black elites who hope to take power, black rule
is in no one's interest, especially not blacks;
(4) blacks know this better than anyone and are terrified of black
rule.
On what does Dr. Braun base these heretical conclusions? After several
years in Africa, he began to realize that many blacks do not think the
way white liberals keep telling us they do. He then systematically
started asking Africans--even virtual strangers--what they thought
about racial differences and whether they were in favor of black rule.
Unlike most whites, who would be ashamed to ask such questions, Dr.
Braun is utterly uninhibited. He discovered that most blacks are eager
to talk frankly; most have never had an honest conversation with a
white about race and are charmed to find one who is not blinded by the
usual cliches. Just as interestingly, he quickly learned that even
whites who have lived all their lives in Africa--including journalists
and other liberals who claim to speak for Africans--have never had an
honest conversation with a black about race.
For the most part, blacks fear majority rule because they know they
are much more likely to be cheated, robbed or brutalized by other
blacks than by whites.
Many Africans believe, in so many words, that "Whites respect one
another but we don't."
Dr. Braun has concluded that blacks and whites differ as much morally
as they do mentally, and that these differences made economic
development impossible. He wonders whether one of the reasons large-
scale cooperative enterprise is nearly impossible throughout Africa is
that blacks do not trust each other and cannot be counted on to work
together for the benefit of all. He advances the provocative view that
Africans may not have an internalized moral sense but depend instead
on tribal authority to set rules of conduct:
Hence, when they were detribalized (by colonialism, etc.), these
external constraints disappeared; and since there never were any
internal constraints, we witness rampant lack of self-control amongst
detribalized blacks (crime, drugs, promiscuity, etc.). Where there has
been some substitute for tribal control--as in white-dominated South
Africa or the segregated American South--this behaviour was kept
within tolerable limits. But when such controls vanish (as in present-
day South Africa and in large U.S. cities), you get this phenomenon of
widespread unrestrained violence"
Dr. Braun has found that like American whites, most South African
whites are incapable of talking sensibly about race. Like American
whites, they now even take a perverse joy in applauding their own
dispossession. He describes the tempestuous enthusiasm of white
audiences for the anti-white South African movie "Cry Freedom," and
writes, "the positive joy with which they cheer their own demise is
quite amazing, isn't it?" He speculates that this joy stems from "a
fatal flaw in the white race: the capacity for self-flagellating,
exaggerated and unwarranted guilt and the self-hatred that seems to
underlie it."
This self-hatred is at the heart of the white man's increasing
insistence that he is a miserable racist who is to blame for the black
man's failures:
"Once blacks learn that whites think blacks have reason to hate them,
many will be happy to oblige, instinctively realizing their
psychological advantage as the injured party . . . . All in all a
tremendous con game, in which the white man is both instigator and
willing victim."
Topaz
wrote:
>
>It would be nice if the bigots just died off.
Definition by John "Birdman" Bryant
Bigot: One who disagrees with a liberal.
> You have more in common
>with Jews than you would like to acknowledge.
Jews really are what they falsely accuse us of being.
Exposing the Real Racists
Edgar Johnston, PhD. reviews an important new book
Jewish Supremacism by David Duke. Published by Free Speech Press, 2003
----------------------------------------------------------
More than 500,000 copies of 'Jewish Supremacism' have been
sold worldwide. It is even sold within the Russian
Duma (parliament).
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In 1905, a new book was catalogued in the British Library. Its title
was The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, and it claimed to be
the secret minutes of Jewish elitists who planned to dominate the
world. Most authorities now view The Protocols of Zion as an elaborate
forgery concocted by agents of the Russian Czar.
Over the last century since the book's release, thousands of other
books have been written on what is called the 'Jewish Question'. The
vast majority of them defend the Jewish people from the forces of
'Anti-Semitism', yet still the best selling book on the Jews since
1905 has been The Protocols, which has been published in most of the
world's languages. According to prominent Jewish leaders in Russia,
the popularity of 'The Protocols' has now been eclipsed by a new book
titled Jewish Supremacism. Unlike The Protocols, this book is no
forgery, for its author is proud of his work. He is the controversial
American politician David Duke, a former member of the Louisiana House
of Representatives.
Jewish leaders are extremely fearful of this book. I can illustrate
the cause of their concern by giving an example of David Duke's
technique in exposing what he calls Jewish supremacism.
If any prominent political person in the Western World publicly
announced that Jews are frequently disloyal to nations where they live
and that they view Gentiles as racially inferior, he would face
excoriation as an 'anti-Semite'. Probably, he would be driven from
office. Duke has no need to make such claims, for he simply quotes
very prominent and powerful Jews who make his point for him.
FROM THE HORSE'S MOUTH
In the first few pages of Jewish Supremacism, Duke quotes Dr. Richard
Steinlight, a former head of National Affairs for the largest Jewish
organisation in the United States. Here is the quotation taken from a
2001 magazine article written by Dr. Steinlight:-
'I'll confess it at least, like thousands of other typical kids of my
generation I was reared as a Jewish nationalist, even a quasi-
separatist. Every summer for two months of ten formative years... I
attended Jewish summer camp. There, each morning, I saluted a foreign
flag, dressed in a uniform reflecting its colours, sang a foreign
national anthem, learned a foreign language... and was taught the
superiority of my people to the 'Gentiles' who oppressed us.
'We were taught to view non-Jews as... people less sensitive,
intelligent and moral than ourselves.'
This method of quoting major Jewish figures and sources is used
hundreds of times in Duke's book to advance his thesis that there is a
powerful Jewish supremacist element in Judaism and Zionism that
threatens not only the freedom of the Palestinian people but all
nations, including the United States.
Duke also uses direct quotes from the Talmud and other major Jewish
sources, such as the Jewish Encyclopedia to expose a long-standing
cadre of hateful, anti-Gentile Jewish supremacists. Shocking quotes
are displayed from major Jewish magazines that boast of a Jewish
supremacy over the media and politics of the United States. He finds
disturbing and hateful words from Jewish leaders, such as Ariel
Sharon, which openly support genocide, and he reveals quotations from
Israeli leaders who equate Zionism and Nazism. Of course, he also
cites many prominent Gentiles of historical and contemporary times,
but the Jewish quotations and sources have the greatest power.
Frankly, they are so convincing that Jewish leaders have sought to get
the book banned in many nations.
Interestingly, Jewish Supremacism was published first in Russia, the
same nation that gave birth to The Protocols of Zion. In 2000 it
quickly became a best seller throughout the entirety of the former
Eastern bloc. It even sells briskly in the corridors of the Russian
Duma (Parliament) and has prompted Levinsky, Goldman and other leading
Jews to seek its ban under old Soviet laws forbidding 'anti-Semitism'.
In the Autumn of 2000, Levinsky and others filed a formal complaint to
the Russian Prosecutor General and asked for the book to be classified
as anti-Semitic and thus illegal. After a year of close examination
(they painstakingly verified all 669 of the documentations), the
Russian Government shocked the Jewish community by officially
declaring that the book is not anti-Semitic. Jewish members of the
Duma then introduced new legislation aimed at outlawing 'Jewish
Supremacism', but it failed by a few votes.
Since then, the book has been sold in thousands of street corners
across the breadth of the Russian Federation and has now topped an
incredible 500,000 in print.
Translated into most of the Eastern European languages, the book has
won Duke many academic awards for its scholarship, including an
honorary Doctorate awarded by President's University, the second
largest university in the nation of Ukraine.
Subsequently the university itself published a best-selling Ukrainian
edition. In May of 2003, Free Speech Press published the English
version of Jewish Supremacism, accompanied by a storm of interest and
controversy. Jewish leaders are horrified that it is well on its way
to becoming the best-read book in the world on Zionism.
SMEARS BACKFIRED
Although Zionist organisations have tried to use Duke's media
characterisation as a 'white supremacist' to discredit his book, so
far their exploitation of his early-life involvement in a KKK group
has only backfired by making the book and its author more newsworthy.
Attacks by the ADL and other pro-Zionist groups have led to
sensationalist news coverage, causing even greater interest and
confounding those who desperately wanted Duke's book to die a quiet
death.
David Duke decries the label of white supremacist and says that while
he certainly desires the preservation of his own heritage he seeks no
supremacy over others. He maintains that those who scream most
hatefully against him are themselves guilty of the most extreme and
powerful supremacism on earth: Jewish supremacism.
When Duke lectured in some Persian Gulf nations last year, Zionist
leaders attempted to undercut his support by allegations of 'racism'.
Those organised efforts had little affect on the overflow, mixed-race
audiences that cheered almost his every word. As a former university
professor and a writer who has lectured occasionally on behalf of the
people of Palestine, I approached David Duke's book out of a curiosity
elicited by the intense Zionist efforts to suppress it. Actually, I
had readily accepted the negative portrayals of him I had read in the
Jewish press, but I wanted to see what all the commotion was about.
Why were they so anxious to ban this book and slander its author? To
my great surprise I discovered a most amazing book!
David Duke stated that he had set out with the ambitious goal of
writing the most powerful expose of Zionism ever put into print. With
extreme scepticism of his ability to accomplish such a lofty goal, I
began to read. Three days later, as I turned the last page, I knew
that he had accomplished more than he dreamed. Rather than just
assembling his facts in a dry textbook fashion, David Duke presents
his thesis in the first person. It is the personal narrative of a
thoughtful and enlightened young man who is sympathetic to Zionism,
but is awakened to its supremacist core that not only threatens the
Palestinians but his own beloved European-Americans as well. I could
not find even a trace of hatred, intemperance or true anti-Semitism in
this book. However, by extensive quoting of important Jewish leaders
and Zionist source materials, Duke exposes a deep well of Jewish
supremacist hatred against Gentiles. He points out that one is
unfairly labelled an 'anti-Semite' simply for exposing the hateful
pronouncements of Jewish supremacists.
ABSOLVES SOME JEWS
The book is clearly not anti-Semitic. Duke goes at length to point out
that not all Jews are supremacists, and that the supremacists not only
endanger the Gentile world but threaten innocent Jews by exposing them
to an inevitably hostile Gentile reaction. The book is in fact
dedicated to the late Dr. Israel Shahak, a Holocaust survivor and
Israeli peace activist whose life was dedicated to saving both Jews
and Gentiles from the dangers of 'Jewish supremacism'. David Duke
cleverly turns the term 'anti-Semitic' on its head by quoting
columnist Joseph Sobran's remark that the 'anti-Semite' is no longer
someone who dislikes Jews; he is now simply a person whom the Jews
don't like.
Jewish Supremacism begins with David Duke's first great epiphany on
the Jewish question: his learning that the Russian Revolution wasn't
Russian but overwhelmingly Jewish. Using powerful documentary
evidence, he shows that the Bolshevik Revolution was actually financed
and led by Jews who had their own agenda against the Czar. He quotes
from familiar and impeccable sources such as Winston Churchill, the
dispatches of the American ambassador to Russia, the chief of British
Intelligence and copious Jewish sources. For instance, he quotes a
report from the National Archives of the United States showing that of
the 384 members of the first Bolshevik government, there were more
than 300 Jews and only 13 ethnic Russians.
How could such an enormous fact of history be hidden? Duke asks. His
rhetorical question is answered throughout the rest of this book by
giving the clear evidence of the tremendous power exercised by Jewish
supremacists in government, media and the academic establishment. Not
only has the pre-eminent Jewish role in the Bolshevik Revolution and
its Gulags been quietly suppressed, but also even the very existence
of Jewish supremacism has been kept from public awareness. One can
freely discuss the evils of white supremacism, but if one dares to
expose Jewish supremacism, one will assuredly be labelled an 'anti-
Semite', the ultimate term of opprobrium in modern society. In very
effective arguments, Duke points out that one is not called 'anti-
Christian' for exposing the excesses of the Inquisition or 'anti-
Muslim' for opposing the intolerance of some extremist Moslem sects.
But dare simply to quote the hateful statements of important leaders
of Judaism and Zionism, and in many countries one could well wind up
in prison for 'hate speech'.
One of the fascinating themes to which David Duke repeatedly turns is
the easily documented Jewish supremacist strategy of fostering extreme
chauvinism among their own people while at the same time working to
break down the group loyalty of the Gentiles among whom they live.
Jewish leaders have long made clear that Jewish communities often have
agendas that conflict with their Gentile hosts. Duke describes the
struggle over those agendas as similar to the contest of two football
teams. One team cultivates an extreme group loyalty through a chronic
recital of Gentile persecution and an accompanying 'chosen-people'
supremacist vision. The other is instilled with guilt and the idea
that teamwork is immoral. The main Jewish holidays are dominated by
the recounting of Gentile persecutions, and the Holocaust has now
achieved almost a religious significance in Jewish life. Duke quotes
many Jewish leaders proclaiming Jewish superiority and the need for
the race to preserve its racial genotype. Even today, Israel will
grant instant citizenship to an atheist Jew from New York, but forbids
Palestinians who were born in Israel to return. Israel also forbids
marriages between Jews and Gentiles.
While Jewish supremacists have these supremacist policies for their
own people, they relentlessly work to break down the immigration laws
of other nations. While they preach multi-culturalism and diversity
for almost every other country in which they dwell, they themselves
support and expect Americans to support a Zionist State, dedicated
exclusively to the Jewish people, religion and culture.
INFLUENCE ON MEDIA AND GOVERNMENT
In chapters on Jewish influence over the American mass media and
government, Duke offers extensive documentation that exceeds almost
anyone's suspicions. Major Jewish sources are quoted which boast of
their takeover and control of Hollywood, the news media and the most
sensitive part of the Government of the United States. For instance,
Duke quotes a major Israeli newspaper bragging about the fact that
Jews loyal to Israel make up seven out of the eleven members of the
secretive and sensitive National Security Council (NSC). The article
goes on to assert that "America no longer has a government of Goyim"
(Gentiles). Duke also quotes many US presidents and high government
officials who have dared to speak out about the Jewish supremacy over
the establishment. After thoroughly documenting Jewish supremacy in
government and media, he shows how their media power is used to stifle
public knowledge and understanding of this critical issue. Any
legitimate criticism of Jewish Supremacism is labelled 'anti-
Semitism', and the Jewish supremacists almost exclusively define that
term.
In particularly interesting passages, Duke recounts how that when he
looked up the term 'anti-Semitism' in some popular encyclopaedias, he
found that the articles and recommended reading lists were authored
entirely by Jewish zealots! In every conflict with Gentiles, Jews are
always portrayed as completely innocent while Gentiles are portrayed
as totally evil. Duke suggests that the chronic portrayal of Gentiles
as inherently evil toward Jews is for Gentiles the equivalent of
'blood libel' for Jews.
Duke makes a compelling case that the nation of Israel is the doctrine
of Jewish supremacism put into action. In startling documentary
evidence from Israel, he shows that some of the early Zionist founders
of the country readily co-operated with Nazi Germany, praised Nazi
policies and claimed that their own ideology was similar. He also
quotes major Jewish figures in Israel who have had the courage to
condemn Israel's Nuremberg style racial laws, such as former Israeli
Supreme Court member Haim Cohen, thus:-
'The bitter irony of fate, which has led the same biological and
racist laws propagated by the Nazis and which inspired the infamous
Nuremberg laws to serve as a basis of Judaism within the state of
Israel.'
With these kinds of powerful quotes, it is no wonder that Zionists
around the world are extremely fearful of this book.
ON ISRAELI TERROR
Americans will find the last chapter on Israel of particular interest.
Duke unveils the long Israeli record of terrorism. He documents the
horrendous terror waged against the Palestinians; he also exposes
Israel's long record of terrorism and treachery against its greatest
benefactor, the United States! From major Jewish sources, he recounts
the Israeli terrorist attacks against America in the Lavon Affair, in
which Israeli agents set off bombs in American installations in Egypt
in a treacherous attempt to provoke America into war against that
nation. Duke presents copious evidence exposing the deliberate,
murderous Israeli attack on the USS Liberty in which 34 Americans were
killed and 172 grievously wounded. The terrible damage inflicted on
the United States by Israeli spy Jonathan Pollard is also recounted.
Jewish supremacy in the American media and government has suppressed
any outcry against Israel's treachery. The Jewish supremacists have
even been able to prevent a formal Congressional investigation into
the attack on the USS Liberty. Duke makes the powerful point that
billions of dollars of American aid continue to flow to Israel even
after its treacherous attacks. He writes that supplying this aid is
the moral equivalent of sending military aid to Japan after the attack
on Pearl Harbour.
Duke also shows how the Zionist domination of American foreign policy
led directly to America's 9/11 catastrophe and a whole new series of
foreign policy moves that are leading to disaster. This timely book
shows the Jewish supremacist power behind the Iraq War, the
manipulation of the President and the American people with false
information, and the horrendous damage the war has done to our economy
and even our security. Duke shows how the war is costing us hundreds
of billions of dollars, continues to spill the blood of our military
men and certainly increases world hatred and terrorism against
America.
In one of the most shocking chapters of his work, Duke reveals the
damning evidence of Israeli treachery in the 9/11 attacks. He shows
that a massive Israeli spy ring was uncovered and apprehended in the
months before and after the attacks, and that some of the Mossad
agents had actually monitored the hijackers, including the leader
Mohammed Atta (five Israeli agents lived on his street). Warning
messages of the impending attacks were sent to Israeli firms with
offices both in Israel and the World Trade Centre. A group of Mossad
agents was arrested on 9/11 after they were found to have been filming
and cheering the attacks while they occurred. After they had been held
for a few months, Zionist Michael Chertoff of the US Department of
Justice released all the members of the Israeli spy ring and allowed
them to return to Israel - out of the reach of Congressional 9/11
investigators.
It is impossible to give the reader more than a glance into the depth
and power of this incredible book. Practically every paragraph is a
revelation. There is so much more that I could write about: detailing
how the Holocaust has cynically been used as a Zionist tool in
heightening Jewish solidarity and deflating criticism of Zionism and
Israel; how Jewish supremacists have used immigration as a weapon of
conquest, not only in Palestine but in the Western World as well. I
was fascinated by Duke's expose of Sigmund Freud as a secret Jewish
supremacist who thought of himself as a Hannibal destroying the
foundations of the Christian church and the European family as
Hannibal had sacked Rome. I could go on and on, but I will leave these
discoveries to you when you read this amazing book.
After I completed the book, I wanted to find out if it had the same
affect on others as it had on me. I gave it to two long-time friends
at the university where I taught for 11 years. One has conservative
leanings; the other is decidedly liberal; and I would describe both of
them as sympathetic to Israel. Both were so fascinated that they could
hardly put the book down, and one became so engrossed that he missed
his regular two o'clock class. They both agreed that Duke's book is
one of the best-argued that they have ever read, and used the
identical term of 'amazing' to describe it. My conservative friend
commented that many quotations were so shocking that he began to check
out the references and found them all to be accurate. "Hell" he said,
"If only half the documents Duke cites are authentic, there is enough
evidence here to start a revolution."
Topaz
>
>One of many ethnic groups that qualify as "white".
Technically maybe, but that is not how they see it. Anyway they are
the main enemy of White nationalists.
>Who's "we"?
White nationalists
>
>So you are subdividing the white race into Jews and non-Jews.
>I think subdividing is a good idea but why stop there? Why not
>subdivide as many ways as there are individuals?
Jews are enemies. Other divisions are not important.
>
>Like other ethnic groups Jews don't think as one. The politics
>of ethinc Jews is as diverse as that of any other grouping and
>only a tiny minority of Jews are guilty of what you accuse
>them of.
No, this, with very few exceptions, is what Jews believe:
"One of the most astounding instances of Jewish hypocrisy was uttered
by a Jew named Isi Leibler, who is no less than the chairman of the
governing board of the World Jewish Congress. Now Isi Leibler is
well-known as a powerful Jew in Australia, where he was for years the
official head of the Jewish community there. He now lives in Israel.
In an interview with a Jerusalem newspaper, he stated about Israel
"This is a country which was set up and created as a Jewish country
for the Jews." In an essay he wrote for the World Jewish Congress, he
decried intermarriage between Jews and non-Jews as a kind of racial
suicide, and likened assimilation with non-Jews as a slow bleeding to
death of the Jewish people. He emphasized that focus of Israeli policy
should be to sharpen and intensify Jewish identity and that even
giving up territory was acceptable if it meant getting rid of non-Jews
and making Israel a more nearly all-Jewish state. Leibler argues that
post-Zionists threaten Israel when they publish textbooks that
de-emphasize Jewish racial
interests and replace them with "universalist" history. In the
interview mentioned, Leibler went so far as to say: "Multiculturalism
has no place in Israel. Israel was created as a Jewish state for the
Jews." That's the Jew Isi Leibler talking about his own people's
country, talking about Israel. [Leibler, Isi: Is the Dream Ending?
Post-Zionism and its
Discontents - A Threat to the Jewish Future, Institute of the World
Jewish Congress, Israel]
But what was Isi Leibler saying when he lived in Australia, a White
country, a non-Jewish country? What was Isi Leibler saying when he was
the head of Australia's powerful Jewish minority? Isi Leibler's advice
to Israel is to protect its racial and cultural heritage. Isi
Leibler's advice to Jews is to avoid intermarriage. Isi Leibler thinks
it's just
fine -- even necessary -- to separate non-Jews from Jews in Israel, to
get non-Jews on the other side of a well-defended border, to throw
them out of Israel. But to Australians Isi Leibler played quite a
different tune. When Australian politician Pauline Hanson was
galvanizing White Australians in 1993 with her questioning of the
wisdom of non-White
immigration to that country, Leibler warned that "extremists" were
threatening precious multiculturalism. He said: "There is a need to
sit together and establish a way in which Australians can recapture
that spirit of multiculturalism which I think we are all proud being
part and parcel of, and which is really under threat?" [Australian
Herald-Sun,
September 27, 2000]
How much clearer does it have to be before you see it? Leibler and his
fellow powerful Jews want racial nationalism for their own people,
because racial nationalism makes them strong and ensures their
survival. They want racial nationalism because they want their kind to
survive and racial nationalism is the key to survival. They're not
stupid. They want what is best for Jews.
But Leibler and his fellow powerful Jews don't want racial nationalism
for White people. In Australia and Europe and South Africa and the
United States - wherever White people live -- Leibler and his kind in
Jewish organizations and in the Jewish-controlled media do everything
in their power to destroy racial nationalism for White people,
everything
in their power to keep us from having it, everything in their power to
make it disreputable and impossible and illegal. Just the other day,
Leibler said that one of the most important things in the world to him
was Israel's "right to exist as a sovereign Jewish state." [Israel
Insider, November 24, 2002] But Leibler and his co-racialists in the
Jewish ADL and other groups devote their lives and their billions to
preventing White people from claiming their right to sovereign White
states. Keeping Britain British, or keeping America American, or
keeping France French, is anathema to them, it is the ultimate in evil
and they never let us forget that."
Kevin Alfred Strom
The National Alliance: <http://www.natvan.com>
<http://www.natall.com>
>
>You are equivocating between Jewish as an ethnicity and
>Jewish as a religion. Israel is for people who are Jewish by
>religion.
Absolutely false. Most of the Jews there are atheists. And Jews can
become citizens if their mother was a Jew. Religion doesn't matter.
>
>As an end in itself or as a means to some end?
Both. The earth would not be very advanced without the White race and
the future of the earth would only be great with the White race.
>If the former, what
>makes the end worthwhile, if the latter, what is the end?
When people were living in caves the end was to get to where we are
now. The end is always to advance futher.
>
>How does sharing a country with blacks interfere with anything of
>importance to you?
Segregation is a proven failure. To preserve the White race we must
have a White nation.
>
>> >What if I wanted to have children with a black women?
>> >What about if that particular woman had an IQ of 140?
>>
>> That should not be allowed. You should be deported out for that.
>
>Why not. Where's the harm? What about if I fulfilled my alledged
>moral obligation to breed with a white woman and had these
>mixed race children in addition?
White nationalists don't want race mixing in our country. You should
move out if you don't agree with that, don't you think?
At the end of the movie "Dragonfly" they show a non-White village
that doesn't allow outsiders to even enter without individual
permission. Do liberals get upset about that?
We all the know the answer. The only multi-culture and diversity they
are interested in is for the former White nations. It is because there
is so much anti-White bias that we should separate from those who
don't want our race to live and have a nation for Whites. Non-Whites
and liberals are so upset about that aren't they? Suppose it was
China. Let's say Whites poured into China and and intermarried and
the statistics said in fifty or so years China would be majority
non-Chinese, the liberals would be anguished. A culture and a people
are being destroyed they would say, and they would be right. We
shouldn't even have argue why we want our race to live. But liberals
are so offended that we do.
a_friend
> "Light on the Dark Continent"
>
> "Eye-opening observations of an American who has lived in Africa
> for nearly 20 years."
Cut, paste and procreate. The skills of the bigoted are amazing. Can
you actually read what you've pasted?
Apprentice
Topaz wrote:
> Dr. Braun's second thesis follows from the first: The vast majority of
> South African blacks do not want black rule.
That would be a very easy theory for him to test. South Africa
is a democracy. He can put himself forward as a candidate with
the agenda of reintroducing white rule.
Apprentice
OTOH is there any good reason why we should not be exchanging
ideas on this issue on this newsgroup?
a_friend
Does a reason have to be good, neutral or bad?
It is interesting to note how the "moral" make judgments of pretty much
everything. We can't have a reason. It must be a "good" reason. How
about if I have a bad reason?
I made my comments based on a belief that Topaz suffers as a result of
his own thinking. He is the one who will walk around for all his days
experiencing hatred and disgust for those who are not like him -- those
who are Jewish, black or some other group. He is the one who will
experience high blood pressure, headaches, etc. as his anger rises each
time he must see these individuals and groups. By choosing to be a
bigot he will suffer what comes with that level of hatred for others
and for other groups. You have chosen not to be a bigot. You will not
suffer as he does. We have chosen to be tolerant, diverse and
accommodating. As a result we experience less suffering.
I choose to allow him to suffer the outcome of his beliefs.
Apprentice
Topaz wrote:
> On 3 Jul 2006 08:21:42 -0700, "Apprentice" <prp...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >One of many ethnic groups that qualify as "white".
>
> Technically maybe, but that is not how they see it. Anyway they are
> the main enemy of White nationalists.
>
>
> >Who's "we"?
>
> White nationalists
>
> >So you are subdividing the white race into Jews and non-Jews.
> >I think subdividing is a good idea but why stop there? Why not
> >subdivide as many ways as there are individuals?
>
> Jews are enemies. Other divisions are not important.
>
> >Like other ethnic groups Jews don't think as one. The politics
> >of ethinc Jews is as diverse as that of any other grouping and
> >only a tiny minority of Jews are guilty of what you accuse
> >them of.
>
> No, this, with very few exceptions, is what Jews believe:
>
> "One of the most astounding instances of Jewish hypocrisy was uttered
> by a Jew named Isi Leibler, who is no less than the chairman of the
> governing board of the World Jewish Congress.
How do you know what "the vast majority of Jews" believe? Isi Leibler
is
ONE Jew, not the vast majority of them.
[snip]
> >You are equivocating between Jewish as an ethnicity and
> >Jewish as a religion. Israel is for people who are Jewish by
> >religion.
>
> Absolutely false. Most of the Jews there are atheists. And Jews can
> become citizens if their mother was a Jew. Religion doesn't matter.
Aren't practising Jews allowed into Israel regardless of their racial
background though.
> >As an end in itself or as a means to some end?
>
> Both. The earth would not be very advanced without the White race and
> the future of the earth would only be great with the White race.
>
> >If the former, what
> >makes the end worthwhile, if the latter, what is the end?
>
> When people were living in caves the end was to get to where we are
> now. The end is always to advance futher.
When an animal breeder is looking to develop animals that possess
properties he perceives as desirable he will choose animals that
display the traits he is after, not animals that simply display traits
that
are correlate with the desired traits. Similarly if we wish to make
sure
that future generations always contain people with the imagination,
intellect and motivation to help us advance further the logical
approach
would be to use individuals who have good imaginations, intellects and
motivation rather than individuals who belong to a particular race with
an alledged correlation to those attributes.
> >How does sharing a country with blacks interfere with anything of
> >importance to you?
>
> Segregation is a proven failure. To preserve the White race we must
> have a White nation.
All that is needed to preserve the white race is for white people to
continue breeding with each other.
> >> >What if I wanted to have children with a black women?
> >> >What about if that particular woman had an IQ of 140?
> >>
> >> That should not be allowed. You should be deported out for that.
> >
> >Why not. Where's the harm? What about if I fulfilled my alledged
> >moral obligation to breed with a white woman and had these
> >mixed race children in addition?
>
> White nationalists don't want race mixing in our country. You should
> move out if you don't agree with that, don't you think?
No. I think white nationalists are the minority in my country. Why
should
I live by their rules when they have yet to provide a reason to do so
that convinces me? It's my country too, after all.
> At the end of the movie "Dragonfly" they show a non-White village
> that doesn't allow outsiders to even enter without individual
> permission. Do liberals get upset about that?
> We all the know the answer. The only multi-culture and diversity they
> are interested in is for the former White nations. It is because there
> is so much anti-White bias that we should separate from those who
> don't want our race to live and have a nation for Whites.
Hey, if you want to live in an all white community I don't have a
problem
with that as long as you don't forcibly expel non-white people from the
territory. If your community then votes to request political
independence
then I think the wish of its inhabitants should be granted.
> Non-Whites
> and liberals are so upset about that aren't they? Suppose it was
> China. Let's say Whites poured into China and and intermarried and
> the statistics said in fifty or so years China would be majority
> non-Chinese, the liberals would be anguished. A culture and a people
> are being destroyed they would say, and they would be right.
The culture would develop to suit the desires of the people living
there.
The Chinese would be free to keep whatever elements of their culture
they chose and adopt whatever elements from the whites that they
would like. If the people are free to pass on their genes with any
willing partner they chose then what does it matter that racial purity
will be lost?
>We shouldn't even have argue why we want our race to live. But liberals
> are so offended that we do.
If white people continue to breed then their racial purity will be
preserved.
If it is not sufficiently important to the present members of the white
race
that they freely choose to not intermarry then racial purity is not
worth
preserving. It makes no sense to talk of something as important unless
it is important to somebody or something.
Apprentice
I don't know. Can you provide an example of a reason that is
neither good, neutral nor bad.
> It is interesting to note how the "moral" make judgments of pretty much
> everything. We can't have a reason. It must be a "good" reason. How
> about if I have a bad reason?
If it is a bad reason why should it influence my behaviour?
> I made my comments based on a belief that Topaz suffers as a result of
> his own thinking. He is the one who will walk around for all his days
> experiencing hatred and disgust for those who are not like him -- those
> who are Jewish, black or some other group. He is the one who will
> experience high blood pressure, headaches, etc. as his anger rises each
> time he must see these individuals and groups. By choosing to be a
> bigot he will suffer what comes with that level of hatred for others
> and for other groups. You have chosen not to be a bigot. You will not
> suffer as he does. We have chosen to be tolerant, diverse and
> accommodating. As a result we experience less suffering.
>
> I choose to allow him to suffer the outcome of his beliefs.
Really neither of us have that choice. Experience of debating
stuff on usenet suggests to me that my chances of convincing him
to change his beliefs on the issue are negligable. Whether or not
his suffering is an outcome of his beliefs I present my opposition
to them for no other reason than that I want to.
a_friend
> When an animal breeder is looking to develop animals that possess
> properties he perceives as desirable he will choose animals that
> display the traits he is after, not animals that simply display traits
> that
> are correlate with the desired traits. Similarly if we wish to make
> sure
> that future generations always contain people with the imagination,
> intellect and motivation to help us advance further the logical
> approach
> would be to use individuals who have good imaginations, intellects and
> motivation rather than individuals who belong to a particular race with
> an alledged correlation to those attributes.
This is the second time that you have made an assumption today. You
assume that Topaz has the same interest or goals as you.
Topaz clearly values a supremacy of the white race and to the exclusion
of others. This is a very different goal than one would have the "best"
minds prevail as you suggest in your example. Topaz is a bigot and
doesn't care about such things. His moral code demands that whites are
the top of the pecking order and are justified in doing anything that
accomplishes that goal.
Where you and Topaz could meet is in the proliferation of whites who
imaginative, intelligent and motivated.
a_friend
> When an animal breeder is looking to develop animals that possess
> properties he perceives as desirable he will choose animals that
> display the traits he is after, not animals that simply display traits
> that
> are correlate with the desired traits. Similarly if we wish to make
> sure
> that future generations always contain people with the imagination,
> intellect and motivation to help us advance further the logical
> approach
> would be to use individuals who have good imaginations, intellects and
> motivation rather than individuals who belong to a particular race with
> an alledged correlation to those attributes.
This is the second time that you have made an assumption today. You
assume that Topaz has the same interest or goals as you.
Topaz clearly values a supremacy of the white race and to the exclusion
of others. This is a very different goal than one would have the "best"
minds prevail as you suggest in your example. Topaz is a bigot and
doesn't care about such things. His moral code demands that whites are
the top of the pecking order and are justified in doing anything that
accomplishes that goal.
Where you and Topaz could meet is in the proliferation of whites who
are imaginative, intelligent and motivated.
a_friend
It was your wording. You had argued that there must be a "good"
reasons. I argued, why can't it just be a reason.
> > It is interesting to note how the "moral" make judgments of pretty much
> > everything. We can't have a reason. It must be a "good" reason. How
> > about if I have a bad reason?
>
> If it is a bad reason why should it influence my behaviour?
Always with the judgments. It's exhausting.
> > I made my comments based on a belief that Topaz suffers as a result of
> > his own thinking. He is the one who will walk around for all his days
> > experiencing hatred and disgust for those who are not like him -- those
> > who are Jewish, black or some other group. He is the one who will
> > experience high blood pressure, headaches, etc. as his anger rises each
> > time he must see these individuals and groups. By choosing to be a
> > bigot he will suffer what comes with that level of hatred for others
> > and for other groups. You have chosen not to be a bigot. You will not
> > suffer as he does. We have chosen to be tolerant, diverse and
> > accommodating. As a result we experience less suffering.
> >
> > I choose to allow him to suffer the outcome of his beliefs.
>
> Really neither of us have that choice.
We both have that choice.
> Experience of debating
> stuff on usenet suggests to me that my chances of convincing him
> to change his beliefs on the issue are negligable. Whether or not
> his suffering is an outcome of his beliefs I present my opposition
> to them for no other reason than that I want to.
That isn't a "good" reason though. I suspect another motivation.
Your response suggests that you have some control over what Topaz
believes. I suggest otherwise. You don't. In terms of your own
challenge to Topaz, you don't recognize his beliefs as being
beneficial. When you do, you will accept his position for what it is.
AE
Well, let's have a look: On smaller scales - development of bacteria
strains, development of single species and even splitting species -
evolution is shown to be reality.
On the other hand, we don't know the exact mechanisms of some steps in
evolution you mentioned, but te fossile reports shows a development to
more complexity and/or specialisation.
Actually there is no point where evolution would obviously fail.
Topaz
by Joseph Sobran
Western man towers over the rest of the world in ways so
large as to be almost inexpressible. It's Western
exploration, science, and conquest that have revealed the
world to itself. Other races feel like subjects of Western
power long after colonialism, imperialism, and slavery have
disappeared. The charge of racism puzzles whites who feel
not hostility, but only baffled good will, because they
don't grasp what it really means: humiliation. The white
man presents an image of superiority even when he isn't
conscious of it. And superiority excites envy. Destroying
white civilization is the inmost desire of the league of
designated victims we call 'minorities.'
From Sobran's Newsletter, April 1997
Topaz
wrote:
>
>This is the second time that you have made an assumption today. You
>assume that Topaz has the same interest or goals as you.
>
>Topaz clearly values a supremacy of the white race
THE ENEMIES of White people around the world have a pathological
love affair with the term 'White supremacist' whenever they report
on or describe White people who act in a collective manner, no
matter how benign, on behalf of their own group interestsů
However, the same people who decry 'White supremacism' seem to have a
difficult time describing the actions of non-Whites acting on behalf
of their group interests, often violently, as supremacists of any
kind.
And never mind the fact that most so-called White supremacists
simply work to promote separate living space and political
independence from Jewish or other non-White influence.
All right then, I have a question for you about this 'White
supremacism': where is it? Where is this so-called White
supremacism? Have you seen it?
Far too many White people in America and around the world are
race-mixing and aborting themselves out of existence. Our
politicians are allowing record Third World immigration into our
White ancestral homelands. Our White corporate 'free traders' and
White globalists continue to impoverish us as they send our jobs
overseas, and our White politicians send our White soldiers to die
in a senseless war in Iraq for Israel, soldiers who will never sire
another generation of their own kind.
]
Does that sound like 'White supremacism'?
We continue to allow the media masters to produce their filth,
surpassing each other in obscenity as they abuse our people in print
and on screen. Does that sound like White supremacy?
Ubiquitous misinformation in the media and in the schools has made
too many of us ashamed of our nature and our traditions; our
accomplishments, we are told, belong to the entire world. Even most
Whites-who know they're being lied to-are still too scared to
organize for our common good, because Jewish supremacists such as
the Anti-Defamation League, the Southern Poverty Law Center, their
allies in the media, and their lapdog politicians attack any who
try to stand up to them; even as Jews and other non-Whites are
encouraged, even paid, to organize.
How "supreme" is that, my friends?
If you recall, the recent demonstrations of Mestizo invaders across
America bore a simple message: 'We claim your land! We claim your
jobs! We want your women! We demand your future! If you don't hand
us America, then you are racist pigs!'
Where was the massive so-called White supremacist backlash to these
invaders? Where was the White resistance to this clear and present
danger to our posterity? With the exception of the street activism
of National Vanguard members and supporters and a few other stalwart
patriots, I didn't see it. Did you?
So, where were all the White people during these Mestizo
demonstrations? Well, my guess is they were figuring out how they're
going to pay their next tax bill; working longer hours for less and
less inflation-reduced take-home pay; shopping at yet another new
Wal-Mart for the only kind of goods many can afford, Chinese junk;
watching ball games; attending yet another anti-White motion
picture, and so on. Some are blind, happily embracing their lives as
the new peons in a multiracial America, while others know something
is wrong, but haven't yet figured it out. Some know exactly what is
happening, but are afraid to say anything, falsely believing they
are all alone in their beliefs.
Fear is the dominant note in this funeral march.
Kevin Strom said: "Everywhere our borders have been opened and the
new elite teaches our children that intermarriage is good and
desirable. Everywhere the new elite teaches our children that to
defend our genetic heritage is the very definition of evil. The end
result, if trends continue, will be genocide."
There is no fortress against this persistent onslaught. There are no
mighty gates on the horizon swinging open to offer us sanctuary. The
Other is in every city, every county, every town, every hamlet now.
The Opponent continues to work overtime to convince us all that
White racial consciousness is "evil," because they know that we are
the only real obstacle to their malevolent plans for a global
plantation. They are the real supremacists. Not us.
History has set a task for us. It is to dispel the fog of fear that
immobilizes the sleeping White giant of our people. It is to change
the now-dominant note of fear to one of determination. It is to turn
that funeral march into a march of triumph.
National Vanguard. Our time has come and our time is now.
I'm Frank Roman. Thank you for listening and I shall speak with you
again.
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> and to the exclusion
>of others. This is a very different goal than one would have the "best"
>minds prevail as you suggest in your example. Topaz is a bigot and
>doesn't care about such things. His moral code demands that whites are
>the top of the pecking order and are justified in doing anything that
>accomplishes that goal.
By Shaun Walker.
The point is that all we actually seek is White
self-determination in our own territory, like every other race.
How much more reasonable can that be?
No one questions the self-determination Indians have on their
reservations.
No one questions the right to self-determination for the Eskimos
(Inuit) in the far North of Canada. Hell no. The Canadian
government has even passed laws to grant the Eskimos control over
a vast expanse of territory which the non-Whites claimed.
This model exists throughout the world: everywhere you go, you
will find assorted non-White races and groups all successfully
claiming their right to self determination, all with the support
of the liberals and even other non-Whites.
The Palestinians are a case in point. Most politically-prominent
Negroes in America support the Palestinians having a separate
state, and object to the Palestinians being ruled by the Zionist
Jewish state. And rightly so. In this demand, they are joined by
the White extreme left-wing of the political spectrum.
Yet, you will not find one of these White extremist left-wingers
supporting the concept of a territory for White people in which
they can have self-determination. Liberal hypocrisy is as
boundless as time.
If we, or anyone else who supports White self-determination,
raises the issue of White separatism with any of these non-White
groups, or the left-wingers of any race, we are dismissed as
"White supremacists" or "haters" or what-ever word they like to
use at that moment in time.
But honestly, we don't care much about what they call us. We know
what we need, and we work day and night to achieve it. Why should
we be ashamed of being White? On the contrary, we are proud of
our race, the race that has produced every single great
scientific innovation on the planet. Our race has produced all
the greatest works of art, and it is our aesthetic norms that
dominate the entire worldů
White nationalists who look at this
fact closely, can quickly become discouraged and come to the
conclusion that White separatist activity is pointless. But they
are forgetting an important message given to us by our founder,
Dr. William Pierce.
He told us, in no uncertain terms, that when we work for our new
society, we should not be discouraged by what we see around us.
We work, Dr. Pierce said, not for what it is now - otherwise we
would be conservatives - but rather we work for what can be.
Dr. Pierce used the analogy of a garden, overrun with weeds. A
gardener, who sees only weeds, might give up without even trying.
A visionary, who sees the blades of grass and roses lying half
submerged in the weeds, and who conceptualizes a grand garden,
free of weeds and sprouting new life, the re-growth of Nature's
glory, is the true carrier of our racial renewal and the rebirth
of our Aryan Folk.
No, we are not conservatives who seek to preserve the existing
order. To hell with the existing order - it is corrupt, decadent,
and must fall. We don't want to preserve the obviously failed,
existing social construct; we wish to see a new society, in which
merit and merit alone determines political leadership, not with
how the current establishment promotes the best liars to the top.
We do not seek to maintain the existing raceless order, or to go
back to the days of segregation. We know and understand fully
that segregation, as well-intentioned as it might have been, was
a recipe for disaster.
We don't seek to rule over anybody but ourselves, and we need
racial separation in our own areas, and not segregation within a
joint area. That is the only solution.
No sir, conservatives we are not. We are revolutionaries in the
true sense of the word: we seek to remodel the world in a new
image, to cast down the lies and racial treason of the old order,
and to return to the eternal laws of race as our guiding light.
Only with the full understanding of race, acceptance of racial
differences and geographic separation, can we avoid racial
conflict.
Yes, you heard me correctly: we seek a world without racial
conflict, where each race is free to achieve whatever it may,
within its own space, without interference from outside.
This goal is really this ironic, to the extreme that the solution
to the racial problem which we seek, is in fact the only manner
in which the racial harmony which the liberals so desperately
desire, can be achieved.
We know and understand this eternal truth. Birds of a feather
flock together, as should you and I.
We have our goal clearly laid out in front of us. We are resolute
in our intention to see the flowering garden of our glorious race
instead of the Jew-ridden, race-mixed weed patch, and we work
unceasingly for our goal.
Why don't you join with us today? Join the National Alliance and
become a part of our racial rebirth.
>
>Where you and Topaz could meet is in the proliferation of whites who
>imaginative, intelligent and motivated.
http://www.nationalvanguard.org http://www.natvan.com
http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.RealNews247.com
Topaz
the
Url below if ya want. http://www.davidduke.com/
Anyway, the guy made an analogy that sums it all up.
He said, lets look at Iceland. They have one of the worlds lowest
crime rates, and have some of the worlds highest test scores.
He then went on to say: Haiti is rich in natural resources, they have
great weather, beaches etc.. Yet its a murder, rape capital of the
world. etc, etc.
He went on to say: If we were to take all of the people from Haiti &
Move them to Iceland, Well, they would soon die.
Take those from Iceland and move them to Haiti and within one
generation Haiti would be paradise on earth.
He explained it better than I did. But you should get the gist of the
Iceland / Haiti analogy. Better yet, listen to the Stockholm speech
and hear it for yourself.."
Tommy
Topaz
>How do you know what "the vast majority of Jews" believe? Isi Leibler
>is
>ONE Jew, not the vast majority of them.
Isi's beliefs are the same as that of the Jewish controlled USA,
that is, multi-culture and pluralism - for Whites, and billions of
dollars for the Jews so they can have their own country.
>
>Aren't practising Jews allowed into Israel regardless of their racial
>background though.
Israel considers them Jews only if their mother was a Jew. I don't
claim to be an expert on it though.
>
>When an animal breeder is looking to develop animals that possess
>properties he perceives as desirable he will choose animals that
>display the traits he is after, not animals that simply display traits
>that
>are correlate with the desired traits. Similarly if we wish to make
>sure
>that future generations always contain people with the imagination,
>intellect and motivation to help us advance further the logical
>approach
>would be to use individuals who have good imaginations, intellects and
>motivation rather than individuals who belong to a particular race with
>an alledged correlation to those attributes.
I also think the White race is very good looking. We should have
nations for White people and preserve the White race.
>All that is needed to preserve the white race is for white people to
>continue breeding with each other.
If things continue as they are the White race will not be
preserved. Races living in the same nation will mix.
Portugal was once a great nation. It might have been the greatest
nation on earth at one time. But now it is almost like a third world
country. What happened? Race-mixing is what happened. They let a lot
of Black people in and of course the result was racial inter-marriage.
Now the Portuguese people are not as White as they were.
>No. I think white nationalists are the minority in my country. Why
>should
>I live by their rules when they have yet to provide a reason to do so
>that convinces me? It's my country too, after all.
After we have a White nation you should not live there if you
intend to race mix.
>
>Hey, if you want to live in an all white community I don't have a
>problem
All White nation. We need our own govenment.
>with that as long as you don't forcibly expel non-white people from the
>territory. If your community then votes to request political
>independence
>then I think the wish of its inhabitants should be granted.
We would pay for their houses and do everything properly. We don't
want to create any hardships on people relocated.
>
>The culture would develop to suit the desires of the people living
>there.
>The Chinese would be free to keep whatever elements of their culture
>they chose and adopt whatever elements from the whites that they
>would like. If the people are free to pass on their genes with any
>willing partner they chose then what does it matter that racial purity
>will be lost?
For one thing if the White race were destroyed it would be the end
of higher civiliation on the planet earth. Maybe you think it is a
coincidence that Whites invented the cars, the airplanes, electrical
power, etc, etc. etc.
>
>If white people continue to breed then their racial purity will be
>preserved.
>If it is not sufficiently important to the present members of the white
>race
>that they freely choose to not intermarry then racial purity is not
>worth
>preserving. It makes no sense to talk of something as important unless
>it is important to somebody or something.
Here is a quote from "The Zionist Factor" by Ivor Benson:
"Money had become progressively the measure of all things, with a
ruling elite drawn less and less from the land and more and more from
the factory and counting house. The nations had, in fact, become
plutocracies, capable of maintaing themselves in power with a public
opinion not sought and consulted as before but -created- as required
by newspapers, patronage and other "rewards in the business world."
Such a conversion of money into public opinion and support
was acccomplished in Britain by Rhodes and Milner and their "gold bug"
partners, with a total disregard for all moral considerations. Money
had shown what money could do."
Topaz
>That would be a very easy theory for him to test. South Africa
>is a democracy. He can put himself forward as a candidate with
>the agenda of reintroducing white rule.
Whites are not for White rule anymore. It is a proven failure. We
want all-White nations now. But this is how it was:
Letter To The Citizen by F. Rundle
A White Man's Apologies.
Along with the other South African Whites who are apologising for
Apartheid, we Whites who are not part of that liberal select group
would like to apologise to the Black people for the following heinous
crimes:
We apologise for bringing clothing to a land where the Black people
were naked or only had animal skin loincloths to cover themselves
before our arrival;
We apologise for bringing doctors and free medical care, as a result
of which the Black people have been able to survive plagues and
catastrophes and grow in numbers;
We apologise for teaching Black people to read and write;
We apologise for providing the money to build schools and universities
for the Black people, always rebuilding them when they were burned
down or vandalised;
We apologise for bringing vehicles and roads to a land, which did not
have the wheel, before we arrived here 350 years ago;
We apologise for building dams which stored water for times of
drought, and we apologise for bringing running water systems to the
houses we built;
We also apologise for bringing electricity to this country;
We apologise for building factories, highways, and buildings that gave
Black people employment and money;
We apologise for developing commercial farms which to this day feed
the bulk of Africa, the like of which the Black people never had
before;
We apologise for taking minerals from the earth, which the Black
people neither used, nor wanted, nor even knew were there;
We apologise for those among us who have established welfare
organisations and have devoted their entire lives towards making life
richer and better for the Black people;
We apologise for paying the lion's share of taxation
while spending
less
on ourselves than on the Black people;
For all these sins we humbly beg forgiveness, and if they will only
accept our apology we will be happy to take back all of the above evil
and horrible things we have done to you and return to Europe.
F Rundle
a_friend
Bigotry bores me.... next!
Topaz
Bigot: One who disagrees with a liberal.
It's a Wonderful Race
by James Bronson
There once was a college freshman named George who thought he knew it
all. One night over dinner, George got into an argument with his
father. The argument began when the young student tried to explain to
his father that as White people, they should be held accountable for
all the evils that they had inflicted upon non-Whites througout
history. George explained: "Because of European racism, we stole the
Indians' land, we held blacks in slavery, we persecuted the Jews, and
we plundered the environment. We've been oppressive racists for
thousands of years so it's only fair that we pay economic reparations
for all the harm we've done to the world. I'm pleased to see that we
are ending our political and economic domination of the oppressed
peoples."
George's dad was shocked to hear such talk. "Who put such commie-pinko
nonsense into your head, boy? Did one of your sandal-wearing hippie
college professors teach you that?" the father asked.
To which the son replied: "That's the truth dad. My anthropology
professor, Dr.Irving Silverstein, says so. He ought to know. Dr.
Silverstein is a well-respected Ph.D. People of your generation just
don't understand because you were raised in a White supremacist racist
society. That's why I've come to admire Dr. Rev. Martin Luther King as
the greatest man in American history. He stood up to the racists of
your generation. Because of him, my generation of White kids is
completely colorblind."
The father angrily replied: "That's bullshit! I've always been
fair-minded and tolerant of people from all backgrounds and races. I
haven't 'oppressed' anybody, and furthermore there's nothing wrong
with being proud of one's own people, including the European race of
people. Your race is in your blood. It's like an extension of your
biological family and you ought to be proud of your European heritage
and identity, just like every other racial group in America is proud
of its. Why is it OK for them to have a strong sense of racial
identity but it's evil for us Europeans to feel that way?"
The young "intellectual" laughed at his father. "Come on dad, that's
the kind of crap Hitler tried to peddle. Those racist attitudes were
discredited years ago. There's only one race and that's the human
race. Diversity is our greatest strength. Differences in so-called
"race" are as insignificant as differences in belly buttons. And
besides, UN statistics now show that low White birth rates, along with
the fact that we live in an multicultural
society, will mean that Europeans and their ethnocentrist and racist
culture will have died out by the end of the century," young George
said.
Turning red with anger, the father yelled: "You are a walking cliché
you know that boy? And you think it's a good thing that the European
peoples of the world will have faded out and ceased to exist?" Young
George replied; "I think it's great! It will mean the end of racism
and the end of hate. The oppressed peoples of the world would have
been better off if us racist Europeans had never existed to begin
with."
Suddenly there was a blast of cold wind, an explosion, and a huge
smoke cloud. When the smoke had settled, George found himself alone
and lost in a cold open field. An angel named Clarence then appeared
to him and said "Well George, you've got your wish."
George asked: "Where am I? What's going on here? And who are you?"
The angel answered, "George, I'm Clarence the Angel. I was sent here
to show you what the world would have been like if Europeans, or
Whites, had never existed. You now live in a world where Europeans
never existed."
"Oh. That's cool. I'll have no problem adapting because there's not a
racist bone in my body. And when I get back to my world, I'll be able
to tell my professor and my friends how great this non-racist world
was. Say, I'm freezing my ass off out here. Where's the nearest
motel?"
"Motel?" replied the angel. "There are no motels here in what was once
called North America. But there are some caves up in those mountains
where you can find shelter."
"Caves? No way man. I want a nice warm bed to sleep in."
"I don't think you understand George. There are no buildings here in
non-white America because the evil Europeans never came here to build
them. Whites never existed, remember? The natives live in tents. Would
you like to go meet some local Indians? Perhaps they'll let you stay
in a tent."
"A tent? But it's 10 degrees outside?...Oh well. It's better than a
cave I suppose. Let's go talk to these Indians...... Wait a second,
are these Indians friendly or hostile?"
"Why, George, that's a racist question to ask. Just because some
Indians were brutal savages who scalped their victims alive, it
doesn't mean they all were" said the angel sarcastically.
"I know that Clarence. And I'm not a racist. I hate racism.
Nonetheless, I'd feel safer if I could have a gun to defend myself if
they turn out to be violent."
"Gun?" replied the angel. "There are no guns for you to defend
yourself with. Firearms were invented by evil Europeans. Though we
could make a spear with those twigs over there."
"That's too much work. Give me a telephone then. I'll call the Indians
to ask if it's OK."
"Telephone"? replied the angel. There are no telephones here.
Alexander Graham Bell was another evil white man, so he never existed.
No Europeans remember?" "Forget it then" replied George. "I'll sleep
in the damn cave."
Upon arriving at the cave, a shivering George asked the angel for a
lighter so that he could light a fire. "A lighter?" replied Clarence.
"There are no lighters here, and no matches. Those are European
gadgets and evil Europeans never existed remember? If you want to get
warm, you need to do like the locals do and start rubbing twigs
together."
"Oh come on man! You mean to tell me these people still rub sticks
together for fire?"
"That's right George. The Indians live exactly as they did before the
evil pilgrims arrived from Europe just a few centuries ago." said the
angel sarcastically.
"I refuse to stay in this cold cave and I damn sure ain't gonna light
a fire with twigs, and I refuse to sleep in a teepee. I'll go to South
America. I can make it in a warmer climate and I'll adapt quickly to
the great Incan civilization I learned about at college. Since
European racists like Columbus, Cortez and Pizzaro never existed, the
Incans will still be there.
... I need a car"
"Car?" replied the angel. "There are no cars here. Daimler and Benz,
the evil German inventors of the internal combustion engine, were
never born..nor was Henry Ford. There are no paved roads either. This
is a world without evil Europeans remember?"
"No cars! Oh. I'll just have to take a train."
"There are no trains in this world either George. Evil Europeans
weren't here to build locomotive engines or to discover the many uses
of coal, oil and gas, or to build trains or lay tracks. But I'll allow
you to cheat just a bit. Grab hold of my magic robe and we'll fly
south."
George touched the angel's robe and they flew south until they arrived
in an abandoned mud hut in the midst of Incan territory. George was
grateful for the warm weather but it wasn't long until he began to
complain about the heat and humidity.
"Clarence, this hut is a little shithole and I'm sweating up a storm
here. Get me an air-conditioner please."
"Air-conditioner?" replied the angel. "There are no air-conditioners
here. Air conditioning and refrigeration were inventions created by
evil White men." "What?!! You mean to tell me that in the year 2002
these people still haven't figured out a way to keep themselves or
their food cool? a frustrated George asked.
"No George, they haven't. And they never will."
"This is ridiculous. Let's go to the main city to see the Emperor. I
can't live like like this. Where's a car...oh I forget...no cars!
Dammit I'll walk. let's go."
After walking through the jungle for about an hour or so, it began to
get dark. George then asked Clarence to give him a flashlight so that
he could see. "Flashlight? Sorry George, but Thomas Edison was an evil
White man too...and he was never born. There are some branches over
there if you want to make a torch."
"Never mind that!" George shouted back.
By morning time, Clarence and George had arrived at the temple of the
Incans. A bloody human sacrifice was in progress. George turned to
Clarence and cried, "They're going to butcher that poor soul! Somebody
has got to stop this. What horrible murdering beasts! Can't anyone
stop them?"
The angel replied "I'm afraid not. Ritual killings are common place
here."Those evil European racists like Columbus, Cortez and Pizzaro
never existed so the Incans just continued their brutal ways. In fact,
it was the oppressed peoples themselves who made up the bulk of the
Spanish armed forces. The people saw the Spaniards as liberators who
would rid them of the oppressive Incan and Mayan rulers and give them
a better life."
"I can't blame them for helping the Spaniards then. This is a horrible
place. Get me out of this shithole now!" said George.
'Where would you like to go?" Clarence replied.
George said: "Take me to Africa, maybe there's a more advanced and
humane civilization there that I can fit into. Where the nearest
airport?"
"Oh, I forgot...no Wright Brothers." George said. "How about a boat?"
"Boats?" replied the angel. "I'm afraid the most seaworthy rafts
available to you won't be of much help in crossing the vast Atlantic
Ocean. The great Viking sailors and European navigators never existed.
No Phoenicians, no Leif Erikson, no Henry the Navigator, no Columbus,
no Magellan, no Hudson and no Robert Fulton. Even if you could build
your own ship, there would be no compass for you to navigate with and
no sextant either. I'm afraid you're stuck here George."
"Can I touch your robe and fly to Africa then" asked George.
"You're cheating again George, but all right. Touch my robe and we'll
fly to Africa."
When they arrived in Africa, George saw thousands of half-naked
African tribesmen being herded along a dirt path. They were guarded by
other Africans with spears. "What are they doing to those poor men?"
George asked Clarence.
"They are being enslaved by another tribe. Slavery was common in
Africa long before the whites arrived." Clarence said. "In fact, most
of the slaves who were shipped to the Americas were sold to the slave
traders by African tribal leaders."
"That's so sad.' George said. "I want to meet Martin Luther King.
Since his White assassin never existed, this great man should still be
alive. He's probably a great tribal chief somewhere and leader of an
advanced civilization. He will free these slaves from their African
masters. Take me to him Clarence."
Clarence led George to a little hut deep in the heart of Africa. The
naked women and children looked at George in wonder. The young men
were out on a hunt but the older men stayed behind. George was led to
the dingy little hut of the tribal witchdocter and spiritual leader.
There he saw a wild-looking man with a necklace of teeth around his
neck and a huge ring pierced through his nose. "What the hell is that?
George asked.
"Meet Witch-doctor Matunbo Lutamba Kinga" Clarence said. He never
became Reverend Martin Luther King because there were no universities
or seminaries built to educate him. Europeans weren't there to create
such opportunities. But he did become the tribe's spiritual leader. He
specilaizes in casting evil spells. Perhaps he can help you?"
The witch doctor gazed in wonder at George. Then he motioned to his
henchmen to seize young George. The tribesmen grabbed hold of George
and tied him to a nearby tree.
"Stop it! Let me go. What are they going to do to me?" cried George
hysterically.
"They're going to perform a ritual killing on you George. The good
doctor King...I mean Kinga -- believes that by cutting your heart out
while you are still alive, it will bring good fortune and fertility to
his tribe," laughed Clarence.
"Clarence! Clarence! Help me Clarence! Help me!
"But George, you told me that you wanted to go to Africa and to meet
your hero Reverend King."
George said: "This part of Africa has not developed yet. I can see
that now. Take me to North Africa where Egypt and Carthage established
great civilizations. Just get me out of here, please."
Just as the witch doctor's spear was about to carve out George's
heart, George vanished into thin air. He then found himself on the
banks of the river Nile in Egypt.
"Thank you Clarence. Thank you," George said. "I don't understand it
Clarence. Why does so much of the world remain so brutal and
primitive? I learned during Black History Month about many talented
black inventors and scientists. Garrett Morgan, George Washington
Carver, Benjamin Banneker, Granville Woods. Then there's Dr. Carson,
the preeminent brain surgeon in all of America. Where are these men?"
Clarense replied: "Don't you understand yet? America, and Africa,
exist exactly as they did before the Europeans discovered them.
Civilization as you had known it had only been introduced to these
people just a few centuries ago by the Europeans. There are no
universities, no hospitals, no means of transportation other than
animals, no science, no medicine, no machines. In fact, the wheel
hasn't even been discovered in Sub-Saharan
Africa! Those black scientists, inventors, doctors, athletes, and
entertainers you speak of were never given the opportunity to realize
their full human potential because Europeans weren't around to
introduce higher civilization and learning to them. There are no
George Washington Carvers in this non-European world, no Dr. Carsons,
no Booker T. Washingtons, no Benjamin Bannekers, no Michael Jordans,
no Oprah Winfreys, no Bill Cosbys, no..."
"Stop it! That can't be!" cried George. "Let's walk over to the great
pyramids of Egypt right now and I'll show you one of the great wonders
of the world .....built by non-Whites"
They walked a few miles before George stopped and asked where the
nearest toilet was. "Toilets?" replied the angel. There are no toilets
or urinals in this world. Plumbing was developed by evil Europeans.
The people in this non-White world still relieve themselves in open
fields."
Clarence turned around so George could do his business. "I need some
toilet paper." George said.
"Toilet paper?" replied the angel. "There..."
"I know. I know. Toilet paper hasn't been invented yet. Just hand me a
rag then".
Clarence obliged and the two of them went on their way.
"I don't understand. According to my recollections from Geography
class, the great pyramids should be near this very spot. We ought to
be able to see them from miles away," said George.
"Well, George, I'm sure your professors at the college never told you
this, but the ancient Egyptians were not black or brown. They were
Caucasians. The anthropologists who examined the Egyptian mummies
confirmed this fact. There are no pyramids and no Sphinx either. And
the Carthaginians were White too."
George became depressed, but he was determined to prove his beliefs.
"What's in Europe?" he asked.
"Europe became populated by Huns and other Asiatic tribes. They've
settled down a bit but life is much the same as it is in North
America. A nomadic existence based on hunting and food gathering. No
great cities, no science, no buildings, no culture, no fine art - just
a hard daily struggle against life and the elements of nature. In a
Europe without evil Whites, the Roman Empire never existed nor did the
Greeks. There was no Renaisance either."
"Take me to Asia then. Surely the great civilizations of Persia,
India, China, and Japan will suit me" George said. "Clarence, to the
Taj Mahal please." "The Taj Mahal?" replied the angel. "Don't you know
that the ancient Persian and Indian civilizations were established by
ancient Indo-European tribes who crossed the Himalayas? They are the
ones who civilized India and built the Taj Mahal. Those are the great
civilizations
that Marco Polo, Columbus, and others were searching for.Did you know
that Iran is Persian for "land of the Aryan?"
George said: "Don't tell me that the Indians were White men! That
can't be. In the world I came from, I knew many Indians and they were
not White!"
Clarence explained: "As the centuries passed, the Indo-Europeans who
created Indian civilization intermarried with the native majorities
who populated the Indian subcontinent. Gradually there were less and
less evil White people until they faded out completely, along with the
advanced civilization they had built. You will notice that there are
still a few white-skinned and fair-haired Indians and Pakistanis
around today -- in the world you came from that is.
George became worried. He knew he could never fit into the harsh
primitive world he had been thrust into. Suddenly he thought of Japan.
"Japan! I'll show you now Clarence. Take me to Japan. If the Japanese
can make TVs and cameras then I'm sure I'll find a decent civilization
that I can live in."
Clarence transported George to Japan. George observed that Japanese
society was the most orderly, advanced and civil that he had seen, but
it seemed as if almost everyone was either a rice farmer, a fisherman,
or a soldier. There were no cars, no skyscapers, no lights, no
stereos, no sciences, no technologies, no universities. It was a
stagnant agricultural society that seemed to have reached its high
water mark and was incapable of moving forward. George knew he could
not live here either.
Clarence explained to George: "Even the industrious Japanese and
Chinese peoples had to rely on the evil Europeans to build the modern
Asia that you had in mind. In this world, Japan exists exactly as it
did before Commodore Perry's American naval ships arrived in Japan in
the 1850s. There's no industry, no technology, no Fuji film, no Sony,
no Hitachi, no Panasonic, no Toyota, no Sushi bars, no baseball...none
of the trappings or comforts of modern life. These things don't exist
in Japan or anywhere else because
Europeans weren't there to create them and share them with the rest of
the world. Would you care for a bowl of rice George?"
George began to feel sick in both his body and his mind. Not only was
he depressed, but exposure to the harsh elements of nature had left
him physically ill. "Clarence, I seem to have contracted some type of
sickness. I must have some anti-biotics."
"Anti-biotics? There's no...
"Oh Shut up already! Then just take me back to the world as it was!"
"Sorry George. I'm not authorized to do that. Only my boss can make
that call." Clarence said to him: "You see George. Your father was
right. You really had a wonderful race. Don't you see what a foolish
mistake it is to be ashamed and guilty about your own people, and to
let them die out? This is what the world would be like without the
creative spark of Edison and Ford and Pasteur and Marconi. No great
scientists, or mathematicians, or inventors or fine artists. No
Archimedes, no Aristotle, no Socrates, no
Alexander, no Renaissance, no Newton, no Kepler, no Goddard, no
Mendel, no Tesla, no Faraday, no Guttenberg, no Shakespeare, no
Dickens, no Twain, no Mozart, no Beethoven, no Da Vinci, no
Michelangelo, no Galileo, no Copernicus. No Venice, no Paris, no
Lisbon, no Madrid, no Zurich, no Berlin, no St. Petersburg, no
Budapest, no Rome, no Milan, no Vienna, no London, no New York, no
Rio, no Sydney. No orchestras, no museums, no universities, no
hospitals, no libraries, no theaters, no radio, no books, no
television, no electricity, no refrigeration, no heating, no plumbing,
no houses, no steel, no stadiums, no vaccines, no cars, no planes, no
trains, no ships, no
dentists, no surgeons, no computers, no telephones, and most important
- there's no creative genius to be found that could create and sustain
such a high level of civilization. There's nothing for the people of
this world to build upon. It's just a daily struggle for subsistence.
A brutal planet where the few people who aren't mired in eternal
ignorance and darkness have reached their peak of civilization and are
advancing no further."
Clarence went on to lecture the broken and depressed young man for
seven days straight. He covered everything. History, science,
economics, philosophy, art, literature, fine music, architecture,
medicine, politics, agriculture, religion, and all the creations and
contributions that the European peoples had made in every conceivable
field of human endeavor. George listened closely to every word. He
felt like a man who had been
reborn.
After his lecture, Clarence the Angel floated away towards heaven. "I
hope you have found all this to be educational, and I hope you have
learned an important lesson. Enjoy your world George!" mocked the
departing angel.
George began to sob like a baby. It was the year 2002 and he was alone
and hungry in a backwards world where Europeans had never existed. He
cried out to the stars: "Please God. I see what a fool I've been. I
understand now what my father was trying to tell me. I want to go back
to the world that I came from. A world where Europeans not only
existed, but blessed the rest of humanity world with their unique
creative ability. I want to live in a civilized world. Please
God!...take me back!...take me back!...Oh God....please."
Suddenly George was transported back to his college dormitory. Drunk
with joy, George jumped into the showers before he could even take his
clothes off!.
"Warm water! and soap! Life is beautiful!" he screamed.
George's floormates looked at him as if he was crazy. "George! Have
you gone crazy?" asked a bewildered schoolmate.
"No my friend. I haven't taken leave of my senses. I've come to them!"
George replied. George then began to sing classic European folk songs
in the shower. Miraculously, he was able to sing in many different
languages. He sang O Sole Mio in Italian, Amazing Grace in English,
Gloire Immortelle in French, Das Ist Der Tag in German, and also
Belgian, Spanish and French ballads and waltzes. Tears of sheer joy
began to stream down his cheeks. The degenerate music of Hip-Hop and
Rap lost all of its appeal to young George.
After his shower, George drove to a nearby restaurant and ordered two
whole entrees. One was Lasagna and the other was a delicious Veal
Marsala. With his Italian food he had a Greek salad with Spanish
olives and Russian dressing, drank a whole bottle of French wine,
followed by a German pastry for dessert. He finished his meal off with
a hot cup of English tea and a Cuban cigar.
George said out loud: "Oh those European peoples and their delicious
cuisine. Clarence was right after all. What a wonderful race!"
George was happy, but at the same time he realized there was much work
to be done. He thought of all those poor whites in Rhodesia and South
Africa who were being murdered and raped ever since they gave up
control of those once-European nations. He thought of the many
thousands of qualified Whites who were passed up for good jobs and
college entrance because of racial quotas that discriminate against
Europeans. He thought about the declining birthrates among all the
European nations of the world. He remembered that
Europeans everywhere were dwindling in numbers every year even as
their own nations were being flooded with third world immigration. He
recalled the O.J. Simpson verdict and how millions of blacks in
America cheered when that brutal double murderer was set free by a
black jury after he stabbed two Whites to death. He remembered the Los
Angeles riots of 1992, where dozens of Whites were dragged out of
their vehicles and killed like dogs in the streets by packs of
White-hating monsters who were never even punished! He remembered the
time when Jesse Jackson led a cheer at Stanford University: "Hey Hey
Ho Ho, Western Civ. has got to go!" His European blood began to
boil in righteous indignation when he recalled how Jesse Jackson once
said he had spit in White people's food when he was a young restaurant
worker. George now understood that that his people were on a collision
course with worldwide disaster and genocide. George realized that this
great people must not perish from the face of the earth.
George could not wait to see his father. He longed to embrace him and
apologize for all of the foolish and disrespectful things he had said
to him. But first, George had a score to settle with a certain college
professor. He walked into Dr. Silverstein's auditorium and quietly
took a seat in the back row. The nasal voiced Silverstein was
lecturing on and on
about racial and gender inequalities in European-centered
civilizations. It was vintage Silverstein. George's impressionable
White schoolmates, with their baggy pants, hip-hop clothes and
backwards baseball caps, were swallowing Silverstein's poison pills
hook, line and sinker. After letting Silverstein spew his cultural
poison for about 15 minutes or so, George raised his hand so that he
could give the professor a piece of his newly educated mind.
"George? Is that you? I remember you from last semester. I wasn't
aware that you were here today. I failed to recognize you in that
shirt and tie, and without your earrings. You must have enjoyed my
course so much that you signed up again eh? Class, I'd like for you to
meet George. He was one of my brightest students last semester. He
truly has a thorough grasp of the ideas presented in this course.
George, would you be so kind as to tell my class about that brilliant
term paper you wrote about European racism,
imperialism, and the need for monetary reparations?"
That's when young George let loose on the unsuspecting Professor.
"ENOUGH! You scheming devil! You mendacious fabricator of falsehoods!
You pusillanimous purveyor of pinko propaganda! How dare you try to
corrupt and manipulate our young minds when your filthy lies. We
Europeans have nothing to be ashamed of, nothing to apologize for, and
everything to be proud of. And most of all, we don't owe anybody
jack-shit - not one thin dime! To the contrary, it is the rest of
humanity that owes us a debt which can never be repaid! We are the
rightful heirs and protectors of a rich cultural heritage. You vile
manipulator! We are the sons of the Romans, the sons of
the Greeks, the Celtics, the Vikings, the Normans, the Saxons. Why do
you inflict shame and guilt upon us? We Europeans didn't just
contribute to civilization...WE ARE CIVILIZATION! And I declare that I
will no longer tolerate you shithead "intellectuals" trying to tear
our people down. Never again will we walk on eggshells when we speak,
always fearing that we might be called "racist." I no longer care what
people think. All that matters is the truth which you have sought to
pervert!"
"What are you up to anyway? Why do you to corrupt my young peers by
shoving false heroes down their throats. Enough of your Marxist games
of divide and conquer, you commie pinko subversive! I don't want to
learn anymore about Martin Luther King, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton or
Black History Month. They would not have amounted to anything without
the institutions of high civilization created by the European peoples.
I'm going to set this class straight about who the truly great men of
history are - the European
statesmen, scientists, explorers, monarchs, navigators, conquerors,
inventors, artists, writers, philosophers - the innovative giants of
history that you and your ilk have erased from our collective
memories. You speak of a world liberated from European influence?
Permit me tell your students about such a world, Silverstein, because
I can speak from personal experience, you wretched little conspiring
monster!"
Silverstein turned white as a ghost. He was shellshocked and rendered
speechless for the first time in his career! Never in all of his years
at the University had a student dared to so boldly challenge his
falsehoods. Speaking from the heart as well as the mind, and with an
eloquence he never thought he could muster, George broke out into a
60-minute monologue on history, science, philosophy, culture, and all
the other attributes that
constitute high civilization. The young students were captivated by
George's brilliant oratory. Many were moved to tears. By the end of
his tirade, George's reawakened classmates were thundering their
approval of his speech. The class gave George a standing ovation and
they thanked him for helping them rediscover and reclaim their own
sense of pride and lost identity. The unstoppable power of truth had
melted away years of Marxist guilt tripping, self hate, wimpishness
and cultural brainwashing in just one unforgettable hour. The inspired
students proceeded to storm out of Silverstein's class,
throwing their hip-hop baseball caps and nose earrings at him as they
stampeded out and vowed never to return. They lifted George up upon
their shoulders and carried him out of the auditorium like a
conquering hero. With a glint in his eye, George glanced up towards
the sky, winked and said "Thank you, Clarence."
Dr. Silverstein was left humiliated and visibly shaken. He knew that
these reawakened European kids could never again be brainwashed with
"political correctness" and White guilt. Silverstein's greatest fear
was that more of these proud European youths would one day reawaken
and take their country and civilization back from the Silversteins of
the world.
Silverstein was worried, but he remained confident that most young men
and women would never learn the truth about their glorious past and
unique creative abilties. After all, the mass media, Hollywood, the
music industry, the colleges, and the public schools are all
controlled by "liberals" like Dr. Silverstein. With the power of
political correctness in their hands, they can continue to tear down
our European ancestors, destroy our
institutions and traditions, instigate blacks and other races against
the whites, flood America with third-world immigration, and push
"hip-hop" music, homosexuality, and other garbage onto a weak,
confused and morally degenerate youth. After reflecting upon these
facts, Silverstein smiled a devilish grin and muttered to himself: "A
few of these European sheep may wake up to what's being done to them,
but the majority of these idiots never will." And he smiled
again....and laughed with diabolical Marxist glee. Then
he repeated to himself "No...they will never figure it all out until
it's too late."
Or will they?
Apprentice
a_friend wrote:
> Apprentice wrote:
>
> > > > > If Topaz wants to be a bigot then let him. It's no skin off of our
> > > > > respective noses.
> > > >
> > > > OTOH is there any good reason why we should not be exchanging
> > > > ideas on this issue on this newsgroup?
> > >
> > > Does a reason have to be good, neutral or bad?
> >
> > I don't know. Can you provide an example of a reason that is
> > neither good, neutral nor bad.
>
> It was your wording. You had argued that there must be a "good"
> reasons. I argued, why can't it just be a reason.
Anyone can come up with a reason for anything.
> > > It is interesting to note how the "moral" make judgments of pretty much
> > > everything. We can't have a reason. It must be a "good" reason. How
> > > about if I have a bad reason?
> >
> > If it is a bad reason why should it influence my behaviour?
>
> Always with the judgments. It's exhausting.
What's your problem with terms like "good" and "bad"?
> > > I made my comments based on a belief that Topaz suffers as a result of
> > > his own thinking. He is the one who will walk around for all his days
> > > experiencing hatred and disgust for those who are not like him -- those
> > > who are Jewish, black or some other group. He is the one who will
> > > experience high blood pressure, headaches, etc. as his anger rises each
> > > time he must see these individuals and groups. By choosing to be a
> > > bigot he will suffer what comes with that level of hatred for others
> > > and for other groups. You have chosen not to be a bigot. You will not
> > > suffer as he does. We have chosen to be tolerant, diverse and
> > > accommodating. As a result we experience less suffering.
> > >
> > > I choose to allow him to suffer the outcome of his beliefs.
> >
> > Really neither of us have that choice.
>
> We both have that choice.
>
> > Experience of debating
> > stuff on usenet suggests to me that my chances of convincing him
> > to change his beliefs on the issue are negligable. Whether or not
> > his suffering is an outcome of his beliefs I present my opposition
> > to them for no other reason than that I want to.
>
> That isn't a "good" reason though.
It's good enough for me until you can provide a better reason why I
shouldn't.
>I suspect another motivation.
>
> Your response suggests that you have some control over what Topaz
> believes. I suggest otherwise. You don't.
Then why did you contradict me when I stated that neither of us has
the control to decide whether the let Topaz "suffer" the outcome of
his beliefs because we aren't going to change them through debate.
> In terms of your own
> challenge to Topaz, you don't recognize his beliefs as being
> beneficial. When you do, you will accept his position for what it is.
Why should I accept his beliefs as beneficial?
Apprentice
Topaz wrote:
> Far too many White people in America and around the world are
> race-mixing and aborting themselves out of existence.
No one has ever aborted or race-mixed themselves out of existence.
It is physically impossible.
a_friend
That's for you to determine. You will believe what you believe, or you
might change that belief. I have no control over what you choose to
think. We may misunderstand each other. I am not attempting to change
your mind on anything, only giving you my perspective and learning from
the perspective of others.
> >I suspect another motivation.
> >
> > Your response suggests that you have some control over what Topaz
> > believes. I suggest otherwise. You don't.
>
> Then why did you contradict me when I stated that neither of us has
> the control to decide whether the let Topaz "suffer" the outcome of
> his beliefs because we aren't going to change them through debate.
I was giving a different perspective on the notion of "who" has control
over their thoughts, emotions and actions. I control my actions. When I
walk, it is "me" who controls the muscles, tendons and such required to
execute the task. You can take credit for such an endeavour, however, I
believe that these physiological processes are under my direct control.
If you would like to take credit for me walking, I can easily disprove
your control and cease to walk and stand still. I am curious though as
to what makes you believe that you could control the actions of others,
and by the same token be immune to the control of others.
> > In terms of your own
> > challenge to Topaz, you don't recognize his beliefs as being
> > beneficial. When you do, you will accept his position for what it is.
>
> Why should I accept his beliefs as beneficial?
I didn't ask you to accept anything, or to assume that it would be
beneficial. I am merely looking to understand how you have reasoned
your position and offer another perspective.
a_friend
Topaz is a bigot and also has a point. Although, I prefer to view us a
species rather than races. It's a choice. Just as topaz chooses to view
one race superior to others.
Apprentice
Topaz wrote:
> On 3 Jul 2006 18:22:20 -0700, "Apprentice" <prp...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> >How do you know what "the vast majority of Jews" believe? Isi Leibler
> >is
> >ONE Jew, not the vast majority of them.
>
> Isi's beliefs are the same as that of the Jewish controlled USA,
> that is, multi-culture and pluralism - for Whites, and billions of
> dollars for the Jews so they can have their own country.
I don't have first hand experience of the US media. However the UK
media is alledgedly controlled by Jews and none of the newspapers
or TV channels here are both pro-Israel and pro-multiculturalism.
> >Aren't practising Jews allowed into Israel regardless of their racial
> >background though.
>
> Israel considers them Jews only if their mother was a Jew. I don't
> claim to be an expert on it though.
>
> >
> >When an animal breeder is looking to develop animals that possess
> >properties he perceives as desirable he will choose animals that
> >display the traits he is after, not animals that simply display traits
> >that
> >are correlate with the desired traits. Similarly if we wish to make
> >sure
> >that future generations always contain people with the imagination,
> >intellect and motivation to help us advance further the logical
> >approach
> >would be to use individuals who have good imaginations, intellects and
> >motivation rather than individuals who belong to a particular race with
> >an alledged correlation to those attributes.
>
> I also think the White race is very good looking. We should have
> nations for White people and preserve the White race.
If white people find other white people good looking and lovable to
each
other then we will continue to breed and preserve the white race. If we
don't then our race is not worth preserving.
> >All that is needed to preserve the white race is for white people to
> >continue breeding with each other.
>
> If things continue as they are the White race will not be
> preserved. Races living in the same nation will mix.
If preserving the white race is important to you, then have white
children. If it is important to enough people then it will be
preserved.
If it is not important to enough people then it won't be. If it is not
important to enough people why preserve it?
> Portugal was once a great nation. It might have been the greatest
> nation on earth at one time. But now it is almost like a third world
> country.
Portugal has a GDP per capita of $19,300 (2005 est.)
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/po.html#Econ
You are being melodramatic.
> What happened?
> Race-mixing is what happened. They let a lot
> of Black people in and of course the result was racial inter-marriage.
> Now the Portuguese people are not as White as they were.
You are envoking the post-hoc ergo proptor hoc fallacy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_hoc%2C_ergo_propter_hoc
China was once a great nation, perhaps the greatest nation on
Earth. You could say the same of Greece, Egypt, India, Babylon
or the Ottoman empire. Are these nations all less white than they
used to be?
For a plausible cultural/historical explaination of how first Britian
and then other north European countries overtook Portugal
(and other major nations) try "Wealth and Poverty of Nations"
by David Landes.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0393318885/104-6768620-4855946?v=glance&n=283155
> >No. I think white nationalists are the minority in my country. Why
> >should
> >I live by their rules when they have yet to provide a reason to do so
> >that convinces me? It's my country too, after all.
>
> After we have a White nation you should not live there if you
> intend to race mix.
I don't want MY country taken over by white nationalists. OK?
> >Hey, if you want to live in an all white community I don't have a
> >problem
>
> All White nation. We need our own govenment.
So start with an all white community and then campaign for
independence.
> >with that as long as you don't forcibly expel non-white people from the
> >territory. If your community then votes to request political
> >independence
> >then I think the wish of its inhabitants should be granted.
>
> We would pay for their houses and do everything properly. We don't
> want to create any hardships on people relocated.
Do you plan to give non-whites the option to refuse your relocation
package?
> >The culture would develop to suit the desires of the people living
> >there.
> >The Chinese would be free to keep whatever elements of their culture
> >they chose and adopt whatever elements from the whites that they
> >would like. If the people are free to pass on their genes with any
> >willing partner they chose then what does it matter that racial purity
> >will be lost?
>
> For one thing if the White race were destroyed it would be the end
> of higher civiliation on the planet earth.
Nonsense.
> Maybe you think it is a
> coincidence that Whites invented the cars, the airplanes, electrical
> power, etc, etc. etc.
It wasn't coincidence. The cultural and environmental conditions in
19th century Britain culminated in the Industrial revolution where one
advance in technology lead to another. The revolution spread first
to other European nations and eventually to the rest of the world.
It is no coincidence that cars, airplanes, electrical power, etc. were
invented in countries among the most technologically advanced at
the time. Nowadays advances in technology are resulting from Korea
and Japan as much as from USA and Europe.
> >If white people continue to breed then their racial purity will be
> >preserved.
> >If it is not sufficiently important to the present members of the white
> >race
> >that they freely choose to not intermarry then racial purity is not
> >worth
> >preserving. It makes no sense to talk of something as important unless
> >it is important to somebody or something.
>
> Here is a quote from "The Zionist Factor" by Ivor Benson:
>
> "Money had become progressively the measure of all things, with a
> ruling elite drawn less and less from the land and more and more from
> the factory and counting house. The nations had, in fact, become
> plutocracies, capable of maintaing themselves in power with a public
> opinion not sought and consulted as before but -created- as required
> by newspapers, patronage and other "rewards in the business world."
> Such a conversion of money into public opinion and support
> was acccomplished in Britain by Rhodes and Milner and their "gold bug"
> partners, with a total disregard for all moral considerations. Money
> had shown what money could do."
That doesn't address my point. What moral reason is there to preserve
the
White race?
Apprentice
a_friend wrote:
> Apprentice wrote:
> > Topaz wrote:
> >
> > > Far too many White people in America and around the world are
> > > race-mixing and aborting themselves out of existence.
> >
> > No one has ever aborted or race-mixed themselves out of existence.
> > It is physically impossible.
>
> Topaz is a bigot and also has a point.
Really? So if I wanted to abort or race MYSELF out of existence how
would I do so?
> Although, I prefer to view us a
> species rather than races. It's a choice. Just as topaz chooses to view
> one race superior to others.
Right, and my choice is to propose each individual has the freedom to
choose whether to have racially pure children, mixed race children or
no children at all. My other choice is to reject your tedious
subjectivism.
Apprentice
And that is also all that I am attempting in my discussions with Topaz.
>
> > >I suspect another motivation.
> > >
> > > Your response suggests that you have some control over what Topaz
> > > believes. I suggest otherwise. You don't.
> >
> > Then why did you contradict me when I stated that neither of us has
> > the control to decide whether the let Topaz "suffer" the outcome of
> > his beliefs because we aren't going to change them through debate.
>
> I was giving a different perspective on the notion of "who" has control
> over their thoughts, emotions and actions. I control my actions. When I
> walk, it is "me" who controls the muscles, tendons and such required to
> execute the task. You can take credit for such an endeavour, however, I
> believe that these physiological processes are under my direct control.
>
> If you would like to take credit for me walking, I can easily disprove
> your control and cease to walk and stand still. I am curious though as
> to what makes you believe that you could control the actions of others,
> and by the same token be immune to the control of others.
I am curious what makes you think that I believe I can control the
actions
Apprentice
a_friend wrote:
> Apprentice wrote:
>
> > When an animal breeder is looking to develop animals that possess
> > properties he perceives as desirable he will choose animals that
> > display the traits he is after, not animals that simply display traits
> > that
> > are correlate with the desired traits. Similarly if we wish to make
> > sure
> > that future generations always contain people with the imagination,
> > intellect and motivation to help us advance further the logical
> > approach
> > would be to use individuals who have good imaginations, intellects and
> > motivation rather than individuals who belong to a particular race with
> > an alledged correlation to those attributes.
>
> This is the second time that you have made an assumption today. You
> assume that Topaz has the same interest or goals as you.
No I didn't. I asked Topaz whether we should preserve the white race
"As an end in itself or as a means to some end? If the former, what
makes the end worthwhile, if the latter, what is the end"
He answered "Both." but didn't provide an answer to the last part of
my question, "what is the end". He expressed the end as:
"When people were living in caves the end was to get to where we are
now. The end is always to advance futher."
The quote you were responding to was a suggestion that preserving
the white race was not the most logical means towards his supposed end.
a_friend
I find you confusing. On one hand you are asking me to clarify then on
the other stating that you find my comments tedious subjectivism. I'll
step out at this point and leave you to argue with a person who
*chooses* to be a bigot. My view -- this only provides him an
opportunity to spread ridiculous messages about various races.
Apprentice
I retract and apologise for the characterisation of your position as
a_friend
Thanks!
Topaz
>
>Right, and my choice is to propose each individual has the freedom to
>choose whether to have racially pure children, mixed race children or
>no children at all. My other choice is to reject your tedious
>subjectivism.
We need to preserve the White race by having a nation for White
people.
"Anti-biotics? There's no...
Or will they?
Topaz
Portugal was once a great nation. It might have been the greatest
nation on earth at one time. But now it is almost like a third world
country. What happened? Race-mixing is what happened. They let a lot
of Black people in and of course the result was racial inter-marriage.
Now the Portuguese people are not as White as they were. We need to
preserve the White race. Here are some quotes from Mein Kampf:
"All that we admire in the world to-day, its science, its art, its
technical developments and discoveries, are the products of the
creative activities of a few peoples, and it may be true that their
first beginnings must be attributed to one race. The maintenance of
civilization is wholly dependant on such peoples. Should they perish,
all that makes this earth beautiful will descend with them into the
grave."
"All the great civilizations of the past became decadent because the
originally creative race died out, as a result of the contamination on
the blood."
"Every manifestation of human culture, every product of art, science
and technical skill, which we see before our eyes to-day, is almost
exclusively the product of the Aryan creative power. This very fact
fully justifies the conclusion that it was the Aryan alone who founded
a superior type of humanity"
"The foundations of actual life in Japan to-day are not those of the
native Japanese culture, although this characterizes the external
features of the country, which features strike the eye of European
observers on account of their fundamental difference from us; but the
real foundations of contemporary Japanese life are the enormous
scientific and technical achievements of Europe and America, that is
to say, of Aryan peoples."
"A people that fails to preserve the purity of its racial blood
thereby destroys the unity of the soul of the nation in all its
manifestations. A disintegrated national character is the inevitable
consequence of the process of disintegration in the blood. And the
change which takes place in the spiritual and creative faculties of a
people is only an effect of the change that had modified its racial
substance."
"For in a world which would be composed of mongrels and Negroid all
ideals of human beauty and nobility and all hopes of an idealized
future for our humanity would be lost forever."
"It is especially the cultural creativeness which disappears when a
superior race inter-mixes with an inferior one."
"There may be hundreds of excellent States in this earth, and yet if
the Aryan, who is the creator and custodian of civilization, should
disappear, all culture that is on an adequate level with the spiritual
needs of the superior nations to-day would also disappear."
"We National Socialists know that in holding these views we take up a
revolutionary stand in the world to-day and that we are branded as
revolutionaries. But our views and our conduct will not be determined
by the approbation or disapprobation of our contemporaries, but only
by our duty to follow a truth which we have acknowledged. In doing
this we have reason to believe that posterity will have a clearer
insight"
"Thus for the first time a high inner purpose is accredited to the
State. In face of the ridiculous phrase that the State should do no
more than act as the guardian of public order and tranquility, so that
everybody can peacefully dupe everybody else, it is given a very high
mission indeed to preserve and encourage the highest type of humanity
which a beneficent Creator has bestowed on this earth."
Topaz
>
>I don't have first hand experience of the US media. However the UK
>media is alledgedly controlled by Jews and none of the newspapers
>or TV channels here are both pro-Israel and pro-multiculturalism.
Ask them if it is OK for Jews to have their own country. Then ask
them if it is OK for Whites to have their own country.
>If white people find other white people good looking and lovable to
>each
>other then we will continue to breed and preserve the white race. If we
>
>don't then our race is not worth preserving.
A race that hates the White race rules over us and controls the
media and makes the movies.
>If preserving the white race is important to you, then have white
>children. If it is important to enough people then it will be
>preserved. If it is not important to enough people then it won't be. If it is not
>important to enough people why preserve it?
If they think it is not important they are wrong.
Here is a quote from "The Zionist Factor" by Ivor Benson:
"Money had become progressively the measure of all things, with a
ruling elite drawn less and less from the land and more and more from
the factory and counting house. The nations had, in fact, become
plutocracies, capable of maintaing themselves in power with a public
opinion not sought and consulted as before but -created- as required
by newspapers, patronage and other "rewards in the business world."
Such a conversion of money into public opinion and support
was acccomplished in Britain by Rhodes and Milner and their "gold bug"
partners, with a total disregard for all moral considerations. Money
had shown what money could do."
>
>Portugal has a GDP per capita of $19,300 (2005 est.)
>http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/po.html#Econ
>You are being melodramatic.
If Bill Gates walked into a bar the per capita income of the people
in the bar would be very high.
Portugal went from being very great to a basket case. You don't hear
of tourists saying they want to go to Portugal.
>
>You are envoking the post-hoc ergo proptor hoc fallacy
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_hoc%2C_ergo_propter_hoc
>China was once a great nation, perhaps the greatest nation on
>Earth.
Indo-European: The Mummies of Xinjiang
The Mummies of Xinjiang
In the dry hills of this central Asian province, archeologist have
unearthed more than 100 corpses hat are as much s 4,000 years old.
Astonishingly well preserved - and Caucasian.
One glimpse of the corpses was enough to shock Victor Mair profoundly.
In 1987, Mair, a professor of Chinese at the University of
Pennsylvania, was leading a tour group through a museum in the Chinese
city of Urumqi, in the central Asian province of Xinjiang, when he
accidentally strayed into gloomy, newly opened room. There, under
glass, lay the recently discovered corpses of a family - a man, a
woman, and a child of two or three - each clad in long, dark purple
woolen garments and felt boots. Even today I get chills thinking about
that first encounter," says Mair. "The Chinese said they were 3,000
years old, yet the bodies looked as if they were buried yesterday."
But the real shock came when Mair looked closely at their faces. In
contrast to most central Asian peoples,these corpses had obvious
Caucasian, or European, features - blond hair, long noses, deep-set
eyes, and long skulls."I was thunderstruck," Mair recalls. "Even
though I was supposed to be leading a tour group, I just couldn't
leave that room. The questions kept nagging at me: Who were these
people? How did they get out here at such an early date?"
The corpses Mair saw that day were just a few of more than 100 dug up
by
Chinese archeologists over the past 16 years. All of them are
astonishingly
well preserved.They come from four major burial sites scattered
between the arid foothills of the Tian Shan ("Celestial Mountains") in
northwest China and the fringes of the The Taklimakan Desert, some 150
miles due south. All together, these bodies,dating from about 2000
B.C. to 300 B.C., constitute significant addition to the world's
catalog of prehistoric mummies. Unlike the roughly contemporaneous
mummies of ancient Egypt, the Xinjiang mummies were not ruler or
nobles; they were not interred in pyramids or other such monuments,nor
were they subjected to deliberate mummification procedures.
They were preserved merely by being buried in the parched, stony
desert, where daytime temperatures often soar over 100 degrees. In the
heat the bodies were quickly dried, with facial hair, skin, and other
tissues remaining largely intact.
Where exactly did these apparent Caucasians come from? And what were
they doing at remote desert oases in central Asia?
Any answers to these questions will most likely fuel a wide-ranging
debate about the role outsiders played in the rise of Chinese
civilization. As far back as the second century B.C., Chinese texts
refer to alien peoples called the Yuezhi and the Wusun, who lived on
China's far western borders; the texts make it clear that these people
were regarded as troublesome "barbarians." Until recently, scholars
have tended to downplay evidence of any early trade or contact between
China and the West, regarding the development of Chinese civilization
as an essentially homegrown affair scaled off from outside influences;
indeed, this view is still extremely congenial to the present Chinese
regime. Yet some archeologists have begun to argue that these supposed
barbarians might have been responsible for introducing into China such
basic items as the wheel and the first metal objects. Exactly who
these central Asian outsiders might have been, however what language
they spoke and where they came from - is a puzzle. No wonder, then,
that scholars see the discovery of the blond mummies as a sensational
new clue...
Most researchers now think the birthplace of horsedrawn vehicles and
horse riding was in the steppes east and west of the Urals rather than
in China or the Near East. As archeologist David Anthony and his
colleagues have shown through microscopic study of ancient horse
teeth, horses were already being harnessed in the Ukraine 6,000 years
ago. The Ukraine horses, Anthony found, show a particular kind of
tooth wear identical to that of modern horses that "fight the bit."
The world's earliest high-status vehicles also seem to have originated
in the steppes; recent discoveries of wooden chariots with elaborate
spoked wheels were reported by Anthony to date to around 2000 B.C.
Chariots do not seem to have appeared in China until some 800 years
later...
had wagons and well-tailored clothes. Were they mere goat and sheep
farmers? Or did they profit from or even control prehistoric trade
along the route that later became the Silk Road? If so, they probably
helped spread the first wheels and certain metalworking skills into
China.
"Ultimately I think our project may end up having tremendous
implications for the origins of Chinese civilization," Mair reflects.
"For all their incredible inventiveness, the ancient Chinese weren't
cut off from the rest of the world, and influences didn't just flow
one way, from China westward."
Unfortunately, economics dictates that answers will be slow in coming.
The Chinese have the money to spare for this work, and Wang and his
team continue to operate on a shoestring. Currently most of the
corpses and artifacts are stored in a damp, crowded basement room at
the Institute of Archeology in Urumqi, in conditions that threaten
their continued preservation. If Mair's plans for a museum can be
financed with Western help, perhaps the mummies can be moved. Then,
finally, they'll receive the study and attention that will ultimately
unlock their secrets.
>You could say the same of Greece, Egypt, India, Babylon
>or the Ottoman empire.
Race-mixing in every case.
"Queen Hetop-Heres II, of the Fourth Dynasty, the daughter of Cheops,
the builder of the great pyramid, is shown in the colored bas reliefs
of her tomb to have been a distinct blonde. Her hair is painted a
bright yellow stippled with little red horizontal lines, and her skin
is white."
Coon, Carleton Stevens. The Races of Europe. New York City, Macmillan.
1939, p.98
The tomb of the wife of Zoser, the builder of the first pyramid in
Egypt, has a painting of her showing her with reddish-blond hair.
Heyerdahl, Thor, The Ra Expeditions, Garden City, Doubleday, 1971,
p.249
The mummy of Rameses II has yellow hair.
Egypt: Land of the Pharaohs, Time-Life books, Alexandria, VA 1992 p.8
"A funerary mask with the attributes of the goddess Isis shows a
vivid blue-green color of eyes.
A General Introduction to the Egyptian Collections in the the British
Museam. London, Harrison and Sons, 1930, p.49
The mummy of the wife of King Tutankhamen has auburn hair.
Carter, Michael, Tutankhamun, The Golden Monarch, N.Y. 1972 p.68
Red-haired mummies were found in the crocodile-caverns of Aboufaida.
Tomkins, Henry George, Remarks on Mr. Flinders Petries Collection of
Ethnographic Types from the Monuments of Egypt, Journal of the
Anthropological Institute of Great Britain and Ireland Vol. XVIIII,
1889, p.216
The mummy of Rameses II has fine silky yellow hair.
Smith, G. Elliot and Dawson, Warren R. Egyptian Mummies, London,
George Allen and Unwin Ltd., 1924 p.99
A blond mummy was found at Kawamil along with many chestnut-colored
ones.
De Lapouge, G. Vacher, L'Aryen, Sa Vie Sociale. Paris, Pichat, 1899,
p.26
Amenhotep III's tomb painting shows him as having light red
hair.
National Geographic Society, Ancient Egypt, Discovering its
Splendors,1978 p.103
An Egyptian scribe named Sakkarah around 2500 B.C. has blue eyes.
Strouhal, Eugen, Life of the Ancient Egyptians, Norman, Oklahoma,
University of Oklahoma Press, 1992, p.53
A common good luck charm was the eye of Horus, the so-called
Wedjat Eye. The eye is always blue, and the word "wedjat" means "blue"
in Egyptian.
Queen Thi is painted as having a rosy complexion, blue eyes and
blond hair.
Hamy, E.T., "Races Humaines de la Vallee du Nil" Bulletin de la
Societe d'Anthropologie de Paris, 1886, p.739
Paintings from the Third Dynasty show native Egyptians with red
hair and blue eyes.
Pijoan, Jose, Historia del Arte Vol III, Madrid, Espasa-Calpe, 1932,
plate XI
The god Nuit was painted as white and blond.
Champollion, H., Le Nil et la Societe Egyptienne, Marseille, Musee
Boreby, 1973 p.94
A painting from Iteti's tomb at Saqqara shows a very Nordic-looking
man with blond hair.
Westendorf, Wolfhart, Painting, Sculpture and Architecture of Ancient
Egypt. New York, Harry N. Abrams, Inc. 1968 p.65
Time-Life books recently put out a volume called Rameses II The
Great. It has a good picture of the blond mummy of Rameses II. Another
picture can be found in the book X-Raying the Pharaohs, especially the
picture on the jacket cover. It shows his yellow hair.
A book called Chronicle of the Pharaohs was recently published
showing paintings,scuptures and mummies of 189 pharaohs and leading
personalities of Ancient Egypt. Of these, 102 appear European, 13 look
black and the rest are hard to classify. All nine mummies look
European.
The very first pharaoh, Narmer, also known as Menes, looks very
European, The same can be said for Khufu's cousin Hemon, who designed
the Great Pyramid of Giza. A computer-generated reconstruction of the
face of the Sphinx shows a European-looking face.
Egypt: Land of the Pharaohs, Time-Life books Alexandria, VA 1992 p.67
It was once painted sunburned red.
Silverberg, Robert, Before the Sphinx; Early Egypt N.Y., N.Y., T.
Nelson 1971 p.168
The Egyptians often painted upper class men as red and upper
class women as white; this because the men became sunburned or tanned
while outside under the burning Egyptian sun.
The information above is part of the information compiled by
Phillip Bonner and was printed in The Barnes Review, 130 Third Street,
SE, Washington, D.C. 20003
>Are these nations all less white than they
>used to be?
Yes
>For a plausible cultural/historical explaination of how first Britian
>and then other north European countries overtook Portugal
>(and other major nations) try "Wealth and Poverty of Nations"
>by David Landes.
>http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0393318885/104-6768620-4855946?v=glance&n=283155
>
>I don't want MY country taken over by white nationalists. OK?
There is no Escape!
By David Duke
European-American Unity and Rights Organization (EURO), National
President
There is no escape from the terror of the future.
You can run away for a while.
But the terror will catch up to you.
It will destroy you and everything you love.
No, I am not talking about a new Hollywood horror movie. I am talking
about America. America is changing from the land of our forefathers to
a place where we are no longer at home in spirit, and where our
families are no longer safe in their own homes.
New Orleans has become increasingly like Haiti since the 1960's Civil
Rights movement integrated the schools. Since then, White civil rights
have steadily disappeared.
First the schools deteriorated into cesspools of violence, drugs,
ignorance, barbarity and venereal disease. Blacks always had access to
public schools, but now, almost all Whites were driven from them. They
went from a majority, to less than four percent today. Whites were
driven from the buses and streetcars. In the buses where Blacks once
rode in the back, now Whites dare not ride at all! To do so is just
too dangerous. Friendly and tidy White neighborhoods discovered the
true joys of forced racial integration: junk cars, prostitutes and
drug dealers on the streets. The only Whites remaining in many
neighborhoods fearfully live now behind bars in homes that have become
reverse jails meant to keep the criminals out.
Black political power transformed New Orleans into a corrupt Black
banana republic. Taxes went up, services went down. The condition of
the streets wrecks the cars. Housing projects are so strewn with trash
they look as though they belong in a Third World Country. Rape, murder
and robbery are daily occurrences in the same city where I could once
walk anywhere as a child. Of course, traditional American values and
culture are gone now also. America founding fathers names such as
George Washington's are removed from schools by the Black school board
because he is, "an immoral example for the children." Kwanzaa, a Black
pagan celebration, has replaced Christmas celebrations in schools.
For the last forty years, Whites have steadily fled the city of New
Orleans. They left thousands of the beautiful and stately homes; many
of the beautiful, oak-lined boulevards; and the intangible history and
charm of what was once America's most romantic city. Now its old charm
can only be found in a few heavily policed areas that the tourists
visit or where the very richest live. Yet, frequently a tourist will
veer from the protected areas and find themselves robbed, raped, or
murdered by denizens that would be more at home in the most primitive
tribes of Africa.
The White refugees first fled mostly to Jefferson Parish, a White
redoubt where they could regain the semblance of a normal life. But,
then, Jefferson began its demographic darkening, so the Whites again
packed up their belongings once more and moved even further away. Some
ended up across Lake Ponchartrain, willing to drive three hours a day
to get to and from work, all so their families would be safe.
Some even pretended that they came to North Shore for the trees. But
they certainly didn't move to the now Black areas in New Orleans where
flourish live oaks, some of the most magnificent and beautiful trees
in the world. Most of the new North Shore residents knew, at least
somewhere deep inside, why they fled and why they came to the area
where I now live. I was candid about my choice of Mandeville. I like
the demographics. I like being among my own kind, living in the kind
of clean and beautiful environment our people create. In the last
election for U.S. Congress, I warned my neighbors on the North Shore.
I told them that conditions of New Orleans would eventually come to
them unless a great political change happened in America. A week ago,
a graphic example of what I had warned them about, occurred.
Just a mile from where I live and work, in a subdivision called
Woodridge, a beautiful 25-year-old mother of four, Samantha Jaume, was
brutally murdered in her home by a Black intruder who had followed her
home from a shopping center. He apparently wanted to steal her new
vehicle. The quick thinking of her seven-year-old son, Jason, almost
saved his mother and probably prevented the murder of his sisters and
himself. He hid himself under a desk and called the police.
Samantha lost all of her civil rights including her right to live. Her
husband's civil rights were also violated, and her four children
suffered loss of their Civil Rights more than any Black person in the
1960's who had to use separate water fountains. This family lost wife
and mother for the rest of their lives. If you want to know the true
cost of integration, it is White lives. If Mandeville were truly the
White area so many seek, Samantha would still be alive. Do we dare to
discuss the other hundreds of victims who have suffered a similar fate
over the years on the North Shore? Or the millions of White victims of
Black crime across America. And, it can only get worse. When the North
Shore population goes the way of New Orleans, Jefferson, and of the
new America of the 21st century, the loss of Samantha will be replayed
so many times that Whites will become refugees once more. But, where
will they go? Massive non-white immigration, differential birthrates,
and intermarriage will make our people a rapidly shrinking minority.
Our racial enemies will not stop their darkening of America until
there is no refuge for our people, only annihilation.
This is no movie. This is real life. There is no escape from the
coming terror. It is time we turn around and fight. We must wrest
control of our political system from those who would obliterate our
people. It is too late for Mrs. Samantha Jaume, but not too late for
her children, and for our children if we begin our road back today. My
life is consecrated to that task. How about yours?
Visit our website at www.whitecivilrights.com
>So start with an all white community and then campaign for
>independence.
>
>Do you plan to give non-whites the option to refuse your relocation
>package?
No
>> For one thing if the White race were destroyed it would be the end
>> of higher civiliation on the planet earth.
>
>Nonsense.
The former White nations and Japan are the first world. The Black
nations and India are the third world. In the middle, or the second
world are the Arabs and China. It is just as racialists would predict.
It is because the White race is on average much more intelligent than
the Black race. The people in Japan are much lighter in color than the
people in India.
All IQ tests have proven that Whites are on average much more
intelligent than Blacks. White people invented just about everything
important. Most leftists admit that Whites on average score higher on
the tests. They have their excuses for it, but all of their excuses
are demolished in "My Awakening" by David Duke. Here is an example:
"One of the most powerful direct studies of race and environment
was conducted by psychologists Sandra Scarr, Richard Weinberg and I.
D. Waldman. All three were quite well-known for their environmental
opinions. The study analyzed White, Black, and Mixed-race adopted
children in more than 100 White families in Minnesota. The study was
an egalitarian's dream, because the children's adoptive parents had
prestigious levels of income and education and were anti-racist enough
to adopt a Black child into their own family. Scarr is a strong
defender of racial equality and maintained that environment played an
almost exclusive role in IQ differences between the races. Scarr
supports the importance of heredity in causing individual differences
within a race, but she has argued that between-race differences are
mostly environmental.
The children in the study included Whites, Blacks, and Mulattos as
well as the biological children of the White adoptive couples. At the
age of 7, the children were tested for IQ, and all of the groups
including the Blacks and Mulattos, scored above average in IQ. Scarr
and Weinberg published a paper claiming to have proven the almost
exclusive power of environment over race in IQ, even though they had
to admit that the White children, whether adopted or not, scored well
above the Black and Mulatto children and that the Mulatto children
scored above the Blacks. (88)
A decade later, when the children reached the age of 17, a
follow-up study was conducted that that again included IQ
measurements. As they matured, Black children had dropped back to an
average of 89 in IQ, which is the average IQ for Blacks in the region
of the United States where the study was done. The White adopted
children scored an average of 106 in IQ, 17 points higher than the
Black children, which is consistant with traditional studies of Black
and White IQ differences. In line with genetic theory the half-White,
half-Black Mulatto adopted children scored almost exactly between the
adopted Whites and Blacks. (89)
RESULTS OF MINNESOTA TRANSRACIAL ADOPTION STUDY
IQ
Parental IQ 115.35
Biological Children 109.4
White Adopted children 105.6
Mulatto parents adopted children 98.5
Black parents adopted children 89.4
Scarr and Wienberg reluctantly published their data from the
follow up survey, but they waited close to four years to do so, almost
as if they were embarrassed by what they had found. Through a tortured
reasoning process, they still argued that environment played a
dominant role in IQ. But in their follow-up survey, unlike their first
paper, they also admitted that genes had an important impact as well.
Both Richard Lynn and Michael Levin effectively showed in their
re-analysis of Scarr's own data, that genes clearly comprise the
dominant role in intelligence levels of those adopted children. (90)
(91)"
(88) Scarr, S, & Weinberg R. A. (1976). IQ Test Perfomance of Black
Children Adopted By White Families. American Psychologist. Vol. 31.
p.26-739
(89) Weinberg, R. A. , Scarr, S., & Waldman, I. D. (1992). The
Minnesota Transracial Adoption Study. A Follow-Up of IQ Test
Performance at Adolescence, Intelligence. Vol 16.
p.17-135
(90) Lynn, R. (1994). Reinterpretations Of The Minnesota Transracial
Adoption Study. Intelligence. Vol. 19. p.1-27
(91) Levin, M. (1994). Comment on The Minnesota Transracial Adoption
Study. Intelligence Vol. 19. p.3-20
>
>> Maybe you think it is a
>> coincidence that Whites invented the cars, the airplanes, electrical
>> power, etc, etc. etc.
>
>It wasn't coincidence. The cultural and environmental conditions
(the condition being that there were White people)
> in
>19th century Britain culminated in the Industrial revolution where one
>advance in technology lead to another. The revolution spread first
>to other European nations and eventually to the rest of the world.
>It is no coincidence that cars, airplanes, electrical power, etc. were
>invented in countries among the most technologically advanced at
>the time. Nowadays advances in technology are resulting from Korea
>and Japan as much as from USA and Europe.
They build things after Whites invent them.
>
>That doesn't address my point. What moral reason is there to preserve
>the
>White race?
"I was listening to a speech that he gave in Sweden. You can listen
at the
Url below if ya want. http://www.davidduke.com/
Anyway, the guy made an analogy that sums it all up.
He said, lets look at Iceland. They have one of the worlds lowest
crime rates, and have some of the worlds highest test scores.
He then went on to say: Haiti is rich in natural resources, they have
great weather, beaches etc.. Yet its a murder, rape capital of the
world. etc, etc.
He went on to say: If we were to take all of the people from Haiti &
Move them to Iceland, Well, they would soon die.
Take those from Iceland and move them to Haiti and within one
generation Haiti would be paradise on earth.
He explained it better than I did. But you should get the gist of the
Iceland / Haiti analogy. Better yet, listen to the Stockholm speech
and hear it for yourself.."
Tommy
http://www.nationalvanguard.org http://www.natvan.com
http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.RealNews247.com
a_friend
Topaz wrote:
> On 5 Jul 2006 18:55:59 -0700, "Apprentice" <prp...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >Right, and my choice is to propose each individual has the freedom to
> >choose whether to have racially pure children, mixed race children or
> >no children at all. My other choice is to reject your tedious
> >subjectivism.
>
> We need to preserve the White race by having a nation for White
> people.
It seems to me that you having sex would be far more productive in
terms of saving the white race than posting drivel. Whites are doomed.
Suck it up.
Topaz
wrote:
>
>It seems to me that you having sex would be far more productive in
>terms of saving the white race than posting drivel. Whites are doomed.
>Suck it up.
Certainly voting for Republicans is not going to save the White
race. But I am not the only one who wants to preserve the White race.
You may not know how many hits White Nationalist web sites get every
day. Here is just one for example:
" our readership
ratings are soaring and are now comparable to or higher than those
of the Web sites of many major American media outlets such as the
Tampa Tribune, the Richmond Times-Dispatch, and many others. Our
readership ratings are routinely far in excess of those of Jewish
supremacist groups like the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith
and the World Jewish Congress. Our pages are read more than a
million times every month."
Source: National Vanguard
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a_friend
> On 7 Jul 2006 20:14:57 -0700, "a_friend" <a_f_r_...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >It seems to me that you having sex would be far more productive in
> >terms of saving the white race than posting drivel. Whites are doomed.
> >Suck it up.
>
> Certainly voting for Republicans is not going to save the White
> race. But I am not the only one who wants to preserve the White race.
> You may not know how many hits White Nationalist web sites get every
> day. Here is just one for example:
All that time spent on websites could be used to produce more white
children. Are you looking to end the white race? With the sperm content
of the average white racist, you could populate the world several
times.