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M Winther

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Apr 29, 2012, 6:51:47 AM4/29/12
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"Symbolic Poverty"

Abstract: The article tries to pinpoint a collective complex
unconsciously affecting all people belonging to the Western cultural
sphere. The capacity to relate symbolically with life has become lost.
Symbolic poverty implicates a serious deficiency of spiritual
relatedness. As a compensatory reaction, many strange preconceptions
have appeared, partly deriving from everyday indoctrination. Most
conspicuous is the inability to accept suffering, and the reluctance
of enduring it. Western man is losing his capacity of relating
symbolically to the dark side of existence, by way of ritual
conceptions. A new attitude toward evil and the destructive forces is
called for. The article hopes to challenge the reader's
preconceptions, many of which have been drunk in with the mother's
milk.

Keywords: suffering, evil, symbol, ritual, welfare state,
Earth-Mother, Chuang-tzu.

Read the article here:
http://home7.swipnet.se/~w-73784/symbolic1.htm

Mats Winther



Andy Wainwright

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Apr 29, 2012, 8:01:14 AM4/29/12
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Whether suffering is a good thing depends on whether such suffering is
for a worthy cause. For instance, accepting prison or even execution for
the sake of justice is part of the existance of a mature human soul.
Though suffering for the sake of making a slaver richer is pretty
pointless to all those concerned. Those who jumped from Foxxcon and
missed the nets are going to be able to have a nice chat- as total
equals - with Steve Jobs on the tarmac below.

M Winther

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Apr 29, 2012, 8:17:48 AM4/29/12
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"Andy Wainwright" <andrewricha...@hotmail.co.uk> skrev i
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Maybe it' not only a matter of worthy cause. Many thinkers in history
have argued that suffering is essential for a human being to attain
maturity of personality. Arguably, if you live in comfort all your
life, materially as well as psychologically, and don't have to meet
with big difficulties and challenges, then you will remain a teenager,
mentally. Religious leaders have argued that suffering is essential
for success on the spiritual path.

Interestingly, research in human immunology has shown that humans need
to be exposed to dirt and infectants in order to acquire a healthy
immune system and thus a healthy body. In my country, the younger
generations suffer from diverse symptoms, allergias, etc., because
their homes have been too clean. We shouldn't be so keen on
exterminating all the evil things from existence.

Mats Winther


Andy Wainwright

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Apr 29, 2012, 9:00:53 AM4/29/12
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It's worth noting that there is ultimately the spirit of a Knight in
every man- and woman, to liberate kingdoms of Hell and free those
trapped there. Go to any such Hell and you'll see such Knights at work
saving souls.

The human soul is not a selfish one, due to the forces of Karma,
essentially an extension of the laws of both economics and physics.

Absolute perfection means death in its truest sense. When all goals are
achieved, there can be no life.

M Winther

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May 1, 2012, 4:25:31 AM5/1/12
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<malcol...@googlemail.com> skrev i meddelandet
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> On Sunday, 29 April 2012 11:51:47 UTC+1, M Winther wrote:
>> "Symbolic Poverty"
>>
>> Abstract: The article tries to pinpoint a collective complex
>> unconsciously affecting all people belonging to the Western
>> cultural
>> sphere. The capacity to relate symbolically with life has become
>> lost.
>> Symbolic poverty implicates a serious deficiency of spiritual
>> relatedness.
>
> This sounds like a reprise of the 19th century "Romantics", a kind
> of counter-enlightenment movement that seems to have supplied a lot
> of the philisophical underpinning of the Nazi movement.
>
> The enlightenment can be seen as a shift of power, within the human
> brain, from the midbrain organs that present feelings such as taste
> or desire to the pre-frontal cortex functions which apply forsight
> and calculation to moderate "gut" reactions.
>
> The romantic movement was opposed to rationality, and praised
> suffering and war as being enobling to the "spirit". It's a
> fight-back by the mid-brain drives.

It has nothing to do with Romanticism. Ever heard of the human
unconscious, Freud, Jung? It is remarkable that it is so hard for
people to adapt to the findings of psychoanalysis, and the discovery
of the unconscious. Symbolical relations and spiritual relatedness are
forces that derive from *the unconscious*. The unconscious is the
motivating factor in our lives. From there derives our energy. The
motives for our decisions depend on the unconscious to 70%.

Mats Winther


Peter Brooks

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May 1, 2012, 5:16:34 AM5/1/12
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On May 1, 10:25 am, "M Winther" <m...@swipnet.se> wrote:
>
I don't know what brings this on, anybody would think that we'd not
got enough trolls of our own. I suppose it's the alt.pagan, at least
you'd expect that to be a natural home for them.
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