Felix allergenia
Ayse Sercan
I'm allergic to cats. This does not keep me from having cats, of course,
because lawd knows this newsgroup has seen evidence time and again of my
not being exactly sensible.
So I have two cats, and they shed. And I live in northern California,
where it is pollen season year-round, except when it's pouring down rain.
And I work in a building full of new equipment situated in a growing
industrial park, where construction raises a cloud of dust. And I walk
regularly around a pond full of ducks, which I am also allergic to (but
which would not fit on my apartment's balconey, so no further housepets
have been acquired).
Then I had the brilliant idea of cleaning the apartment, and raising a
cloud of dust, this weekend.
So I'm coughing my goddamned lungs out on a regular basis.
And because I've somehow become incredibly weak and wussy in my old age, I
actually managed to, for the second time in my life, pull a muscle
coughing.
Peeve: This does not prevent me from coughing even more. It just makes it
more painful.
--
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"Anyone who willingly engages in a battle of wits
with a fish is at best evenly matched." -- Pete Young
Alan Gore
>So I have two cats, and they shed. And I live in northern California,
>where it is pollen season year-round, except when it's pouring down rain.
>And I work in a building full of new equipment situated in a growing
>industrial park, where construction raises a cloud of dust. And I walk
>regularly around a pond full of ducks, which I am also allergic to (but
>which would not fit on my apartment's balconey, so no further housepets
>have been acquired).
Try one of the new family of non-drowsy anti-allergenics. You will
need a prescription, or order it from one of those websites in New
Zealand.
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Alan Gore | is like giving whiskey and car keys
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Rob Novak
news:39196a0a....@news.uswest.net...
> Try one of the new family of non-drowsy anti-allergenics. You will
> need a prescription, or order it from one of those websites in New
> Zealand.
Claritin is your friend. It took me from being a right miserable and
unpleasant fuck for 5 months of the year and made me into a right cynical
and occasionally congenial fuck, with less post-nasal drip. It even works
on days like today, where the windshield wipers remove a thick,
greenish-yellow, caterpillar-like line of pollen from the glass.
--
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a
little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- B. Franklin (Historical Review of PA)
Ayse Sercan
[I gots allergies]
>Try one of the new family of non-drowsy anti-allergenics. You will
>need a prescription, or order it from one of those websites in New
>Zealand.
I've got a prescription for Claritin (geez, Al, I have a job, it has a
health plan; I don't need to go overseas to buy meds). I still cough when
crap gets in my lungs. The best prescription in the world is not going to
help you with particulate matter.
The big peeve about Claritin is that no matter what they say about it
being "non-drowsy," I feel like a zombie on the stuff. And it makes my
mouth very very dry, causing me to drink more, causing me to spend half
the day trundling off to the bathroom.
Geoff Miller
I've had some form of nasal irritation for the last several days.
I'm not sure that it's an allergy as such, or just a reaction to
the abundance of particulate matter in the air at this time of
year. In any case, I've been snarking out heavy globbets of
thick, yellowish, industrial-waste snot. My handkerchief is so
stiff that it feels as though there's a rectangle of cardboard
folded up inside of it.
While I certainly don't enjoy nasal congestion, the experience
is somewhat mitigated by the satisfaction inherent in expelling
high-viscosity "contact cement" mucus that just isn't there with
the more watery kind. It's much like the visceral satisfaction
one gets from popping a pimple, taking an insistent crap, or
squeezing a burst of pus and cheesy, smelly sebacious fluid from
an infected cyst that's inflated to the point where it's actually
begun to itch. Snot like this has substance; when I blow my nose,
I feel like I've accomplished something tangible. It's actually
an adventure to open the tissue and see what emerged from the
recesses of my sinuses.
Geoff
--
"Atom Bomb Flower
Cleanses us of body odor
Scorched Earth Clean Armpits" -- Neil Bradley
Tim Mefford
>And because I've somehow become incredibly weak and wussy in my old age, I
>actually managed to, for the second time in my life, pull a muscle
>coughing.
On the contrary, you have to develop a great deal of force to wrench
a muscle coughing. I'm sure your coughing muscles are mightily bulked
out and of a wiry tone. Congratulations.
Tim "I've heard vomiting is a great way to tone the
solar plexis" Mefford
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Tim Mefford | "vidi, veni"
t...@teleport.com | -Julius Caesar on Cleopatra
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Anonymous
ay...@idiom.com (Ayse Sercan) wrote:
>
>I'm allergic to cats. This does not keep me from having cats, of course,
>because lawd knows this newsgroup has seen evidence time and again of my
>not being exactly sensible.
>
>where it is pollen season year-round, except when it's pouring down rain.
>And I work in a building full of new equipment situated in a growing
>industrial park, where construction raises a cloud of dust. And I walk
>regularly around a pond full of ducks, which I am also allergic to (but
>which would not fit on my apartment's balconey, so no further housepets
>have been acquired).
>
>cloud of dust, this weekend.
>
>So I'm coughing my goddamned lungs out on a regular basis.
>
I
>actually managed to, for the second time in my life, pull a muscle
>coughing.
>
it
>more painful.
>
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A. Sears
>
> In any case, I've been snarking out heavy globbets of
> thick, yellowish, industrial-waste snot. My handkerchief is so
> stiff that it feels as though there's a rectangle of cardboard
> folded up inside of it.
Peeve: handkerchiefs. Just thinking about them turns my stomach.
Given that we now have a wide variety of disposable paper products at
our, uh, disposal, for nose-cleaning, why on earth would anybody still
follow that archaic custom of saving their old mucus in their pocket?
I'll concede that nasal tissue is in itself somewhat peevesome in that
it tends to explode and disintegrate from the more forceful nose-blasts,
leaving little tiny tissue-balls on the front of my shirt to be brushed
off, but I still find that preferable to keeping a snot-encrusted hanky
in my pocket to re-use if I can find a clean spot.
Brian Trosko
: I'll concede that nasal tissue is in itself somewhat peevesome in that
: it tends to explode and disintegrate from the more forceful nose-blasts,
I have a friend who had to have his nasal tissue cauterized for just that
reason.
Elaine Richards
Geoff Miller <geo...@netcom.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>I've had some form of nasal irritation for the last several days.
I suspect pine pollen. I have a pine tree next to my front door. I
recently lopped off a couple of errant branches and the stuff came
down in clouds.
Peeve: I have the same nasal irritation and a sore throat.
BTW: Nice to see your smiling ASCII again.
ER
Geoff Miller
"A. Sears" <sra...@ten.tenew> wonders:
> Given that we now have a wide variety of disposable paper products
> at our, uh, disposal, for nose-cleaning, why on earth would anybody
> still follow that archaic custom of saving their old mucus in their
> pocket?
In my case, because it's more convenient to carry an old bandanna
in my pocket where it's handy when needed than it is to seek out a
tissue. It's not at all disgusting under normal circumstances,
since I can fold it around to get a virgin, un-blown-on section.
Peeve: Just for grins, I tried unfolding the bandanna that was
just rotated out of pocket duty and into the laundry basket. It
was like trying to pull apart Velcro.
And if I ever start carrying a box of Kleenex inside the back
window of my car, someone please hunt me down and shoot me,
because it'll probably just be a matter of time before I start
doing 55 in the fast lane of the freeway.
Elaine Richards
Peggy Currid <cur...@staff.uiuc.edu> wrote:
>Rob Novak <rob....@digex.com> wrote:
>>Claritin is your friend. It took me from being a right miserable and
>
>However, our HMO's formulary changed, and Claritin wasn't On The List, so
>he was switched to Allegra -- which he says doesn't work as well.
>Consequently, he developed asthma and now has to use two inhalers (one 4
>times a day; the other 2 times a day).
>
You know, there's this thing. It's called a credit card. If you get
a scrip that you really need and your HFMO will not provide that medicine,
you can either have your MD put "dispense as directed" on the scrip
or just bloody buggery pay the money for it. I hate HMOs. They have
changed prescriptions on me willy-nilly and the end result is 4 months
of side-effects each time they change the formulation out from me, so I
learned that Coscto and my checkbook are my friends.
Paul F Austin
"Geoff Miller" wrote ...
>
>
> I've had some form of nasal irritation for the last several days.
> the abundance of particulate matter in the air at this time of
> thick, yellowish, industrial-waste snot. My handkerchief is so
> stiff that it feels as though there's a rectangle of cardboard
> folded up inside of it.
>
> is somewhat mitigated by the satisfaction inherent in expelling
> high-viscosity "contact cement" mucus that just isn't there with
> the more watery kind. It's much like the visceral satisfaction
> one gets from popping a pimple, taking an insistent crap, or
> squeezing a burst of pus and cheesy, smelly sebacious fluid from
> an infected cyst that's inflated to the point where it's actually
> begun to itch. Snot like this has substance; when I blow my nose,
> I feel like I've accomplished something tangible. It's actually
> an adventure to open the tissue and see what emerged from the
> recesses of my sinuses.
>
Geoff, go back to wiping your ass while thinking of jelly doughnuts.
--
Eat a live toad in the morning
and nothing worse will happen to you all day.
-------------------------------------
Paul F Austin
pau...@digital.net
Peggy Currid
>Claritin is your friend. It took me from being a right miserable and
>and occasionally congenial fuck, with less post-nasal drip. It even works
>on days like today, where the windshield wipers remove a thick,
>greenish-yellow, caterpillar-like line of pollen from the glass.
The ObSpouse is allergic to the ObCats(*), and was doing well on Claritin.
However, our HMO's formulary changed, and Claritin wasn't On The List, so
he was switched to Allegra -- which he says doesn't work as well.
Consequently, he developed asthma and now has to use two inhalers (one 4
times a day; the other 2 times a day).
Fortunately, he isn't making me choose between him and the ObCats. That
might be a tough one.
Peggy
*Just two. I don't want to meet Julian's criterion for Crazy Cat Lady.
--
Somehow, I don't think that the young men who did the shooting at
Columbine were on a panty raid. That's just my gut feeling,
and I could be wrong.
ay...@idiom.com
Peggy Currid
[30 lines of Ayse's post repeated, and topped off with this gem]
>So you're a masochist?
I don't know about Ayse, but you must be.
Peggy
Stephen Jackson
Elaine Richards wrote:
> You know, there's this thing. It's called a credit card. If you get
> a scrip that you really need and your HFMO will not provide that medicine,
> you can either have your MD put "dispense as directed" on the scrip
> or just bloody buggery pay the money for it. I hate HMOs. They have
> changed prescriptions on me willy-nilly and the end result is 4 months
> of side-effects each time they change the formulation out from me, so I
> learned that Coscto and my checkbook are my friends.
Theoretically I have dental coverage. As an actual matter of fact the
only dentist I am willing to go to is not part of The Plan. I suppose
that I could become less discriminating about who I allowed to poke about
in my mouth with sharp instruments, but I think not. This is what money
is for.
The company also provides health coverage, but I am so used to providing
my own that after six months I still haven't discontinued the Blue Cross
catastrophic coverage plan I cheerfully pony up for every two months.
There are probably elements of magical thinking in this. The feeling that
if I stop paying BC on my own because the company is covering the tab that
the company will then fail and between the time I become aware that I no
longer have health coverage and the time that I obtain it that I will be
hit by a truck and really need it.
Superstition and the bux it cost us...
Stephen
"Liberty has never come from government. Liberty
has always come from the subjects of government.
The history of liberty is the history of resistance."
- Woodrow Wilson
Anonymous
Charles R. Tenney
[among other things]
>I hate HMOs.
I had to choose a plan without benefit of seeing the policy. The HR droids
were kind enough to inquire as to which ones would have medical evacuation
benefits for 3rd world travellers--although I have no particular trips in
mind, it's a good thing to have (or to buy if your policy doesn't offer it).
I also asked about exclusions for injuries sustained in aviation activities
other than scheduled airline flights--I remember that weasel phrase back
from the days when I took flying lessons, and although again, I have no
specific plans to need such coverage, I don't want to be shut out of flight
training--or skydiving--or just flying with someone who has their own
license--or even a charter flight.
One of the plans met these criteria at a reasonable prices, so I signed up.
Uponreceiving the policy, I read it over and found an exclusion for "injuries
sustained while committing a felony, or while intoxicated."
Again, I have no specific plans...but sheesh, feh, and all the rest.
--
Charles R. Tenney ten...@dec3.mc.duke.edu | What would Duke Univ. Medical
| Center want with my opinions?
"My karma ran over my dogma." | What would I want with theirs?
Mark Wood
Ayse Sercan wrote:
> I'm allergic to cats. This does not keep me from having cats, of course,
> because lawd knows this newsgroup has seen evidence time and again of my
> not being exactly sensible.
Since you're more likely to be allergic to thier dander than the beasts
themselves, perhaps you should denude them of their fur, and wash their bare
skin with a warm soapy sponge occasionally. Once again, not exactly sensible,
but a definite solution to the shedding, caughing, and sneezing.
> Then I had the brilliant idea of cleaning the apartment, and raising a
> cloud of dust, this weekend.
Don't sweep, use damp sponges or swiffers on everything. This will keep dust
down while you clean.
-Wadsworth
Natural Born Cereal Killer
>While I certainly don't enjoy nasal congestion, the experience
>is somewhat mitigated by the satisfaction inherent in expelling
>high-viscosity "contact cement" mucus that just isn't there with
>the more watery kind.
In spite of the Claritin I've been taking twice-daily for
the past few years, allergy season has hit with a vengeance this
spring and I find myself hacking up the thickest, most sticky
rubber cement from my throat each morning. Some days are worse
than others, of course, and when I'm having a "heavy flow" day
I can spackle the wall with lung-butter and hang posters from it.
Just last week, April was away for the day and I managed
to finally hork up that irritating glob of congealed mucus that
resisted all attempts at expectoration the previous half-hour.
Swallowing wasn't an option -- if my body wanted it back, it
wouldn't have spent all that time trying to expel it. Gagging
was likely to cause a repeat performance, and frankly I was
getting tired of the show and wanted to brush my teeth. So I
decided to spit.
Being in the shower at the time, it didn't seem worth
the effort to step out, aquire a tissue, spit into it, and then
return while leaving tell-tale puddles on the linoleum. And, since
I was going to clean the bathroom that evening anyway, I simply
turned my head and spat.
This battleship-grey globule, looking not unlike the
epitaph of a dragonfly on my windshield at 75mph, was stuck to
the wall. Surely high temperatures and the relative humidity
found in the shower would loosen it over the course of the day.
It didn't. It was there when I returned from work
some 12 hours later. I figured anything with that sort of
temerity should be given a proper burial, so I removed it
with a tissue and hummed a dirge when I tossed it in the bin,
and then proceeded to clean the bathroom.
Ah, well... Who knows what tomorrow might bring?
My goal in life is to outlive the cats, so that I might one
day miss out on this daily ritual of imitating an Elmers factory.
--
* Dan Sorenson DoD #1066 ASSHOLE #35 BOTY 97 Ret. vik...@probe.net *
* Vikings? There ain't no vikings here. Just us honest farmers. *
* The town was burning, the villagers were dead. They didn't need *
* those sheep anyway. That's our story and we're sticking to it. *
Alan Gore
> In spite of the Claritin I've been taking twice-daily for
>the past few years, allergy season has hit with a vengeance this
>spring and I find myself hacking up the thickest, most sticky
>rubber cement from my throat each morning. Some days are worse
>than others, of course, and when I'm having a "heavy flow" day
>I can spackle the wall with lung-butter and hang posters from it.
Threby causing the guy equivalent of PMS?
paghat
> I'm allergic to cats. This does not keep me from having cats, of course,
> because lawd knows this newsgroup has seen evidence time and again of my
> not being exactly sensible.
>
> So I have two cats, and they shed. And I live in northern California,
> where it is pollen season year-round, except when it's pouring down rain.
> And I work in a building full of new equipment situated in a growing
> industrial park, where construction raises a cloud of dust. And I walk
> regularly around a pond full of ducks, which I am also allergic to (but
> which would not fit on my apartment's balconey, so no further housepets
> have been acquired).
>
> Then I had the brilliant idea of cleaning the apartment, and raising a
> cloud of dust, this weekend.
>
> So I'm coughing my goddamned lungs out on a regular basis.
>
> And because I've somehow become incredibly weak and wussy in my old age, I
> actually managed to, for the second time in my life, pull a muscle
> coughing.
>
> Peeve: This does not prevent me from coughing even more. It just makes it
> more painful.
Burritos. That'll take care of it. Lots of burritos.
-paghat the ratgirl
--
----
"Shut the fuck up you evil shitbrain female."
-"Lan" (Men's Rights advocate) to paghat the ratgirl
Mark Wood
paghat wrote:
> In article <8fb32s$iv0$1...@idiom.com>, ay...@idiom.com (Ayse Sercan) wrote:
> >
> > So I'm coughing my goddamned lungs out on a regular basis.
> > Peeve: This does not prevent me from coughing even more. It just makes it
> > more painful.
>
> Burritos. That'll take care of it. Lots of burritos.
The main drawback to this solution, is that Ayse is a vegetarian and would not
eat these burritos herself.
Does this mean, you've yet to meet Ayse at a peevefest?
I suspect that her vegetarianism is the main reason behind her anti-reseraunt
thread, everybody chooses to congregate at resteraunts for social events, and
the resteraunts tend to be insensitive to her special dietary needs.
I doubt I'd be too keen on resteraunts, if I were so neurotic as to be a
vegetarian.
The peevefest meeting place of choice was Adelita's Mexican Resteraunt in
Felton, California last I knew. Funny that it was a Mexican resteraunt, in
light of your proposed solution to Ayse's problem.
-M. Wood
Ayse Sercan
> Does this mean, you've yet to meet Ayse at a peevefest?
Most people have not met me. I know it will come as a shock, but I have
this thing called a job that keeps me from spending all my time travelling
the world introducing myself to every semi-literate who happens to find
his way into this newsgroup.
> I suspect that her vegetarianism is the main reason behind her anti-reseraunt
>thread, everybody chooses to congregate at resteraunts for social events, and
>the resteraunts tend to be insensitive to her special dietary needs.
I can't imagine what on earth you are talking about when you refer to my
supposed "anti-reseraunt thread." I eat at restaurants all the time, and
was doing so when you lived in this area. Not to mention that if I'm going
to a place for social reasons I rarely care whether or not there's
anything on the menu that I can digest.
Although I can understand why, to a man or your, erm, stature, the ability
to eat whatever you want whenever you want would be so very important.
> The peevefest meeting place of choice was Adelita's Mexican Resteraunt in
>Felton, California last I knew. Funny that it was a Mexican resteraunt, in
>light of your proposed solution to Ayse's problem.
Adelita's (which is in Boulder Creek) has never been a *peevefest* meeting
place of choice; that honour is reserved for the El Paso or Marvin
Gardens. Get your newsgroups straight.
--
ay...@idiom.com
"I think that everyone should have a crazy friend, just to
keep one's own problems in perspective." --Pat Steppic
Mark Wood
Ayse Sercan wrote:
> wads...@montana.com wrote:
> > Does this mean, you've yet to meet Ayse at a peevefest?
>
> Most people have not met me. I know it will come as a shock, but I have
> this thing called a job that keeps me from spending all my time travelling
> the world introducing myself to every semi-literate who happens to find
> his way into this newsgroup.
I didn't know you'd given up meeting peevesters personally.
If memory serves you once thought making time for a social life was important.
> > I suspect that her vegetarianism is the main reason behind her anti-reseraunt
> >thread, everybody chooses to congregate at resteraunts for social events, and
> >the resteraunts tend to be insensitive to her special dietary needs.
>
> I can't imagine what on earth you are talking about when you refer to my
> supposed "anti-reseraunt thread." I eat at restaurants all the time, and
> was doing so when you lived in this area. Not to mention that if I'm going
> to a place for social reasons I rarely care whether or not there's
> anything on the menu that I can digest.
The anti resteraunt thread, was the one in which you liken dining to performing
your excretory functions.
> Although I can understand why, to a man or your, erm, stature, the ability
> to eat whatever you want whenever you want would be so very important.
I won't deny that I like good food, but since you mentioned it, almost immediately
after college
I started shedding the spare tire about 50lbs. so far. I stopped living on the fast
food near
the campus, which seems to have been the major culprit.
> > The peevefest meeting place of choice was Adelita's Mexican Resteraunt in
> >Felton, California last I knew. Funny that it was a Mexican resteraunt, in
> >light of your proposed solution to Ayse's problem.
>
> Adelita's (which is in Boulder Creek) has never been a *peevefest* meeting
Well, I attended two of them there about 5 years ago, and it was often
suggested when the subject came up.
- M. Wood
Mark Wood
Ayse Sercan wrote:
> wads...@montana.com wrote:> I suspect that her vegetarianism is the main reason
> behind her anti-reserauntI can't imagine what on earth you are talking about when
> you refer to my
> supposed "anti-resteraunt thread."
I'm sorry, I thought, the What's so Interesting.... troll was yours. I beg your
pardon.
All kidding aside, about the cat dander, Theres apparently a liquid that can be
applied to a cat with a damp rag which mitigates the problem admirably. Sam
discovered the stuff shortly after he met his wife, who just happens to be allergic
to cat dander herself. After using the product and thoroughly cleaning the ranch she
had no more sneezing attacks. I'll see if I can find the bottle he left here, and
I'll let you know what it's called.
-M. Wood
Mark Wood
The product is called, allerpet/c, for people who are allergic to cats.
On the front of the bottle it claims," allerpet/c cleanses the animal's hair of the
antigens considered to be the prime causes of allergic reactions to cats."
The bottle is white with a silkscreend label showing a seated dark orange Siamese
cat in front of a white cat on a black rectangular background. It is six inches
tall, not including the cap.
Hopefully you can find it, and at least remove one of your environmental
allergens.
-M. Wood
Paul F Austin
"Mark Wood" <wads...@montana.com> wrote in message
news:39208C32...@montana.com...
It's probably Skin-So-Soft in disguise, since a lot of folks think it's
the Universal Elixir. I've known people to slather themselves with SSS to
prevent: mosquito bites, skin cancer, the Heartbreak of Psoriasis and
fleas.
LB's father slathered the _cats_ with Skin-So-Soft as a flea control
measure. You haven't seen a pissed off kitty until you see one trying to
wash SSS off.
Elaine Richards
Mark Wood <wads...@montana.com> wrote:
>The anti resteraunt thread, was the one in which you liken dining to performing
>your excretory functions.
That was someone else entirely, and not Ayse.
Also, it is spelled "restaurant".
ER
Steve Daniels
Mark Wood <wads...@montana.com> to say:
> I doubt I'd be too keen on resteraunts, if I were so neurotic as to be a
>vegetarian.
I've met her a few times in various restaurants, but I never took
much notice of what she was eating, or not eating. I understand
that with her the vegetarian status is because of some sort of
digestion problem. If eating meat caused me to throw up for a
few days, I'd most likely leave it alone too.
--
Love me . . .
love my dog.
Steve Daniels
Mark Wood <wads...@montana.com> to say:
>The anti resteraunt thread, was the one in which you liken dining to performing
>your excretory functions.
You have the wrong poster.
paghat
> On Mon, 15 May 2000 14:24:39 -0700, crack smoking weasels forced
> Mark Wood <wads...@montana.com> to say:
>
> > I doubt I'd be too keen on resteraunts, if I were so neurotic as to be a
> >vegetarian.
>
> I've met her a few times in various restaurants, but I never took
> much notice of what she was eating, or not eating. I understand
> that with her the vegetarian status is because of some sort of
> digestion problem. If eating meat caused me to throw up for a
> few days, I'd most likely leave it alone too.
Never having liked meat in the first place made it easy to become
vegetarian (some thirty years ago by now). There were a couple unmeat-like
meats I did miss. For years you couldn't get a good vegetarian weaner & I
missed hotdogs slathered with all kinds of goopy smeary sauces -- but now
meatless weanies are pretty good (maybe meatless weanies should be called
"cunties"). The other thing I missed were deepfried greasy breaded chicken
bits -- absolute garbage food but kinda neat -- & the only place I could
get a good approximation was Buddha Garden that makes pretty good "fried
chicken" with no chicken in it. But just recently one of the veggie
product companies started making "buffalo wings" and "chicken bits" which
aren't as good as their breakfast links but probably not worse than the
real thing, & after eating those a couple times I no longer think, "Hey,
they sell chicken bits in there," every time I drive by a Wendy's. Now if
only I could get a really great vegetarian Reubens.
Mark Wood
Steve Daniels wrote:
> On Mon, 15 May 2000 14:24:39 -0700, crack smoking weasels forced
> Mark Wood <wads...@montana.com> to say:
>
> > I doubt I'd be too keen on resteraunts, if I were so neurotic as to be a
> >vegetarian.
>
> I've met her a few times in various restaurants, but I never took
> much notice of what she was eating, or not eating. I understand
> that with her the vegetarian status is because of some sort of
> digestion problem. If eating meat caused me to throw up for a
> few days, I'd most likely leave it alone too.
From the vegetarians I know, it seems that there's no going back. Once you have
been a vegetarian for a while your body adapts, and meat sickness can be
expected henceforth. This happened to my friend James, and my niece Ruth.
Often meat sickness can be triggered initially by hormonal factors, causing one
to go vegetarian, with the usual consequences.
-M. Wood
Mark Wood
paghat wrote:
> In article <c861issn3s2g2acki...@4ax.com>, dan...@mind.net wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 15 May 2000 14:24:39 -0700, crack smoking weasels forced
> > Mark Wood <wads...@montana.com> to say:
> >
> > > I doubt I'd be too keen on resteraunts, if I were so neurotic as to be a
> > >vegetarian.
> >
> > I've met her a few times in various restaurants, but I never took
> > much notice of what she was eating, or not eating. I understand
> > that with her the vegetarian status is because of some sort of
> > digestion problem. If eating meat caused me to throw up for a
> > few days, I'd most likely leave it alone too.
>
> Never having liked meat in the first place made it easy to become
> vegetarian (some thirty years ago by now). There were a couple unmeat-like
> meats I did miss. For years you couldn't get a good vegetarian weaner & I
> missed hotdogs slathered with all kinds of goopy smeary sauces -- but now
> meatless weanies are pretty good (maybe meatless weanies should be called
> "cunties"). The other thing I missed were deepfried greasy breaded chicken
> bits -- absolute garbage food but kinda neat -- & the only place I could
> get a good approximation was Buddha Garden that makes pretty good "fried
> chicken" with no chicken in it. But just recently one of the veggie
> product companies started making "buffalo wings" and "chicken bits" which
> aren't as good as their breakfast links but probably not worse than the
> real thing, & after eating those a couple times I no longer think, "Hey,
> they sell chicken bits in there," every time I drive by a Wendy's. Now if
> only I could get a really great vegetarian Reubens.
Cool, I'll have to send a copy of this to my vegetarian friend James. He suffers,
because he doesn't have any vegetarian contacts to tell him about these things. He
lives on chick patties and cheese pizza currently.
-M. Wood
Mark Wood
Felis Concolor wrote:
> <The Turk and The Armenian have it out.>
>
> Look, Ayse, I know the real reason for your animosity. No, it wasn't
> anything Mark said on peeves. It's that he's personally responsible for
> the slaughter of thousands of your people in the former Soviet Union.
Well, in that part of the world they tend to feel that turnabout is fair play.
Personally I think immmigration is a much better solution than genocide.
-M. Wood
Mark Wood
Podkayne Fries wrote:
> On Mon, 15 May 2000 19:20:37 -0400, "Paul F Austin"
> <pau...@digital.net> wrote:
>
> ?Peeve: he's been unusually nice to me lately. This is probably a sign
> of the apocalypse.
I take it no contact is better than friendly contact?
I know I'd rather never see or hear from my Ex again.
-M. Wood
Felis Concolor
>wads...@montana.com wrote:
>> I suspect that her vegetarianism is the main reason behind her anti-reseraunt
>>thread, everybody chooses to congregate at resteraunts for social events, and
>>the resteraunts tend to be insensitive to her special dietary needs.
>I can't imagine what on earth you are talking about when you refer to my
>supposed "anti-reseraunt thread." I eat at restaurants all the time, and
>was doing so when you lived in this area. Not to mention that if I'm going
>to a place for social reasons I rarely care whether or not there's
>anything on the menu that I can digest.
<The Turk and The Armenian have it out.>
Look, Ayse, I know the real reason for your animosity. No, it wasn't
anything Mark said on peeves. It's that he's personally responsible for
the slaughter of thousands of your people in the former Soviet Union.
Lenore Levine
--
"The theological contortions and obfuscations that the main mass of mindless
sheeple either subscribing to or congenitally afflicted with Xristianity are
really not too difficult for one of average cupitiy to swallow." -- Ian
demonstrates the true use of "sheeple."
Podkayne Fries
<pau...@digital.net> wrote:
>
>It's probably Skin-So-Soft in disguise, since a lot of folks think it's
>the Universal Elixir. I've known people to slather themselves with SSS to
>prevent: mosquito bites, skin cancer, the Heartbreak of Psoriasis and
>fleas.
My ex-husband is hairier than Robin Williams, and he swears by
Skin-So-Soft. When we were married, he tried every tick and mosquito
repellant on the market and none seemed to work as advertised. His
friend's wife convinced him to try some Skin-So-Soft, and he came home
tick-free after the next hunting trip.
?Peeve: he's been unusually nice to me lately. This is probably a sign
of the apocalypse.
--
Regards, Podkayne Fries
Opera is blood sport. Baseball is for pussies, relatively speaking. --
James Jorden, Message-ID: <3903549F...@mailbox.bellatlantic.net>
Barry Spaulding
wads...@montana.com says...
> From the vegetarians I know, it seems that there's no going back. Once you have
> been a vegetarian for a while your body adapts, and meat sickness can be
> expected henceforth. This happened to my friend James, and my niece Ruth.
Hundreds of thousands of years of training as opportunistic
omnivores, ruined by a few salads.
Tell Jim and Ruthie to take the magnets out of their shoes,
pare them down and make panty liners out of them. This is
an infallible cure for Meat Sickness. Just make sure that
your tone of voice is sufficiently sincere.
> Often meat sickness can be triggered initially by hormonal factors, causing one
> to go vegetarian, with the usual consequences.
> -M. Wood
What tripe.
bcs
Mark Wood
"Ryan W. Kasten" wrote:
> On Tue, 16 May 2000 04:42:38 GMT, Barry Spaulding
> <b.spa...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> >What tripe.
> >Fuck this. When the world's biggest SNAG and the ratgirl agree on
> anything, it's time to shut the thread down, soonest.
> "I'm a good person, REALLY I am!" net.persona can fuck off, Real
> Soon Now, you'd be doing me a personal favor.
Thank you for your support.
> I may not even feel the need to mention that Hitler tried hard
> to curry favor in much the same way that you're attempting.
My niece blew chow aplenty, after eating a tuna casserole 2 days ago, she went veggie
when she got pregnant about 2.5 yrs ago, because "meat makes me sick."
> "I'll tell
> the people just what they wanna hear!"
No but, I won't deny what I've seen, and heard from my vegetarian friends and
acquaintences about their personal experiences with post diet change meat related
experiences.
(by way of your gaping, confessional, "Will you sleep with me,
> please, please, please?"-spewing maw).
I have no interest in sleeping with you, or your associates.
I just came off an icky marriage, and am not ready for that sort of thing.
> I suppose I can also have fun
> with your fucked-up little conventions of what's Right For Mark is Right
> For Mankind.
Perhaps.
> To hell with that, shit-heel. I got no time for the likes of you.
So don't read my posts.
-M. Wood
AB
> Now if only I could get a really great vegetarian Reubens.
I didn't know his paintings contained meat. Cheesecake, OTOH...
ObSeattle: While you're waiting, I'd recommend a few meals at the Elysian.
About half the entrees are veggie, and their veggie BBQ sammitch is mighty
fine. The ginger soda goes well with everything, and the air's generally
OK. Go Saturday so you can flirt with Hazel.
I wonder if Tofustrami would make a good Reuben?
ObPeeve: The new Cyclops Cafe feels cold and ugly. Maybe it's the lack of
jell-o molds and artists and good hummous.
!Peeve: Willum Hopfrog Pugmire still works there. He's a sweetie.
--
drop ego to email me
Mark Wood
"Ryan W. Kasten" wrote:
> On Tue, 16 May 2000 04:42:38 GMT, Barry Spaulding
> <b.spa...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> It may even make me feel
> better. I may not even feel the need to mention that Hitler tried hard
> to curry favor in much the same way that you're attempting. "I'll tell
> the people just what they wanna hear!"
When someone complains about allergies, to the polite, it seems appropriate to
suggest effective remedies. Since, Ayse hasn't wronged me personally, it only seemed
right to offer a serious suggestion after the outlandish and unhelpful ones. Had I
realized that decency and genuine offers of help were verboten on your news list, I'd
have refrained.
By the way, Why do you refer to her as the "Biggest Snag?"
I didn't endorse choosing the vegetarian lifestyle, because" meat is murder" or any
such thing, I merely acknowledged that there are occasionally mitigating factors, and
that once you've set your course you may be stuck on it.
> can have a lovely time playing with
> your mind (by way of your gaping, confessional, "Will you sleep with me,
> please, please, please?"-spewing maw).
As far as begging for a bed partner, I doubt I'll ever see any of you personally, as
I live in a remote area, and don't have tons of cash to throw at airfare. Plus, nobody
would want to come here. Although in your case there's plenty more disincentive, to
meet.
> I suppose I can also have fun
> with your fucked-up little conventions of what's Right For Mark is Right
> For Mankind.
If you're referring to my immigration versus genocide statement, I did say It was my
personal preference.
If you're referring to The comment about my personal responsibility for the
slaughter of the Turks, Lenore was kidding.
If you're referring to my apology to ayse for mis-attributing the what's so
interesting... thread to Ayse, most thinking people consider it a sign of maturity to
be able to admit when you are wrong.
If you're thinking of my statement about the neuroses of going vegetarian, I can eat
meat, it is convenient, and I don't feel any guilt or remorse for the thousands of
animals that are slaughtered to produce food and clothing. With the possible
exception of the treatment of veal calves, the very thought makes me shudder.
I am personally opposed to militant animal rights groups and people who advocate the
compulsory release of all domestic animals from their cruel bondage. I've met a few,
and they make a bold veggie stereotype, which I consider highly neurotic. For me to
go vegetarian without a compelling medical reason would be indicative of my becoming
neurotic. Most Domestic animals can't make it on their own in the world, they're too
dependent on feed supplements and maintenance for illnesses to survive their release
for even a year.
Some even stranger folks advocate the destruction of these animals for their own good,
or so they claim.
I on the other hand take a more utilitarian view of domestic animals.
-M. Wood
Peggy Currid
> When someone complains about allergies, to the polite, it seems appropriate to
>suggest effective remedies. Since, Ayse hasn't wronged me personally, it only seemed
>right to offer a serious suggestion after the outlandish and unhelpful ones. Had I
>realized that decency and genuine offers of help were verboten on your news list, I'd
>have refrained.
Please fix your line lengths. It's interfering with my pleasure in
watching Ryan eviscerate you.
Thanks ever so much!
Peggy
--
The real beauty of usenet is allowing one to dispense with the sometimes
painfully difficult necessity of keeping a straight face.
-Tim Mefford
paghat
I'll try to remember Elysian -- where is it exactly? I have only walked by
the new Cyclops, but it was ruined even in its old location when uptown
shitheads in suits decided to start taking their clients to lunch there.
But I went anyway cuz they kept giving me free soup, which I guess they
could afford to do after the uptown shitheads started filling the place.
-paghat
Podkayne Fries
wrote:
>
>
>Podkayne Fries wrote:
>>
>> ?Peeve: he's been unusually nice to me lately. This is probably a
>> sign of the apocalypse.
>
Friendly contact usually precedes a Bad Thing. When he's nice to me, it
almost always means that he wants to play sillybuggers with the child
support order, or that he's not getting any and hopes that I'll boink
him for old time's sake. Yuck.
OTOH, there's always the chance that he's finally decided to become a
grownup. His mother died recently after a long battle with breast and
liver cancer, and he seems to be taking stock of his life.
>I know I'd rather never see or hear from my Ex again.
We have two children, so some contact is unavoidable.
Pat Steppic
pagsterSP...@my-deja.com (paghat) wrote:
> In article <ctuqf8.501.ln@gronk>, AB <aaro...@eskimo.com> wrote:
>
> > pagsterSP...@my-deja.com (paghat) wrote:
> > > Now if only I could get a really great vegetarian Reubens.
The very definition of Reuben stipulates that it contain corned beef.
Peeve: "vegetarian" meat substitutes. If you like the taste of meat,
fuckin' EAT MEAT. Cripes. If it's feedlots you have a problem with,
shop at a food co-op. Or kill your own.
ObGeoff: Ever heard of the food chain? You're on top. Deal with it.
!Peeve: on Sunday, the Ol' Lady and I had breakfast with JZ at the goat
farm. His very own sausage (made with sage he'd picked that very
morning) and bacon. It's good to know people who have a chest freezer
full of pork. We also went and said hi to next year's freezerload.
> > I didn't know his paintings contained meat. Cheesecake, OTOH...
> >
> > ObSeattle: While you're waiting, I'd recommend a few meals at the
Elysian.
Seconded. The beer, though, is the draw. The food is secondary.
> > OK. Go Saturday so you can flirt with Hazel.
Which one is she?
> I'll try to remember Elysian -- where is it exactly?
Capitol Hill, 11th and Pine. Or Pike, they're only a block apart. It's
across the street from some public storage place. Dick Cantwell is
still the head brewer there, and he is not afraid of hops.
Pat "The seasonals are always good" Steppic
--
Money can't buy happiness, but if you're not
happy, it's a lot easier to endure if you can buy
hardcover books. -- Lenore Levine
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
Geoff Miller
AB <aaro...@eskimo.com> writes:
> ObPeeve: The new Cyclops Cafe feels cold and ugly. Maybe it's
> the lack of jell-o molds and artists and good hummous.
The word is "hummus." "Hummous" is an adjective.
Geoff "just like 'mucus' and 'mucous'" Miller
--
"The world is full of idiots. That's what's so frustrating about
anything. The voice of intelligence and reason is drowned out by
the thousands of hollering morons." -- nob...@newsfeeds.com
paghat
> In article <pagsterSPAM-ME-NO...@drip171.drizzle.com>,
> pagsterSP...@my-deja.com (paghat) wrote:
> > In article <ctuqf8.501.ln@gronk>, AB <aaro...@eskimo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > pagsterSP...@my-deja.com (paghat) wrote:
> > > > Now if only I could get a really great vegetarian Reubens.
>
> The very definition of Reuben stipulates that it contain corned beef.
>
> Peeve: "vegetarian" meat substitutes. If you like the taste of meat,
> fuckin' EAT MEAT. Cripes.
If people fucking liked meat they wouldn't spice the hell out of it so it
didn't taste like meat -- you goys put so much sugar in your ham you
probably don't have any more idea than I do what pork tastes like, &
whatever the hell hotdogs taste like it certainly isn't any kind of meat
known to humankind, some with some of the best kosher meats, they're so
honking spiced up that even carrots might taste like that with the same
spices. Anyway, by your logic, if you fucking like to fuck, why not fuck
cattle & chickens. Some of us make moral & aesthetic choices that are
beyond the comprehension of lesser minds nyeh nyeh.
-paghat the ratgirl
Pat Steppic
pagsterSP...@my-deja.com (paghat) wrote:
> In article <8frulb$hmj$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, Pat Steppic
<hp...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> > Peeve: "vegetarian" meat substitutes. If you like the taste of
meat,
> > fuckin' EAT MEAT. Cripes.
>
> If people fucking liked meat they wouldn't spice the hell out of it so
it
> didn't taste like meat
News to me. I almost always put more spices and flavorings on my
vegetables than on my meat, which is typically unadorned.
Unless it's a good tandoori, in which case the flavor of the meat and
the flavor of the spices compliment each other, and serve to add flavor
to the *really* flavorless part of the meal, namely the rice.
So which is it, anyway? If people don't like meat, then why are the
freezer sections of organic food co-ops chock full of "meat
substitutes," the primary selling points of which are that they taste
just like meat? Either people like the flavor, or they don't, and if
they don't, why make something that tastes the same but that is morally
more pure? And if they do, then why not just eat meat? (I'm ignoring
that tiny minority of people who have legitimate medical reasons not
to, and am asking about holier-than-thou granola-heads who have
pretensions of taking the moral high ground)
> -- you goys put so much sugar in your ham you
> probably don't have any more idea than I do what pork tastes like
The only thing that I put on pork chops is applesauce, and I virtually
never eat cured ham.
> , &
> whatever the hell hotdogs taste like it certainly isn't any kind of
meat
> known to humankind,
On this point, we're in 100% agreement. Hot dogs *aren't* any kind of
meat.
> some with some of the best kosher meats, they're so
> honking spiced up...
If I subscribed to primitive superstitions, I might know about that. I
prefer to live in the present, though, and eat whatever I damn well
please -- pigs, shellfish, cheeseburgers. Yum.
> that even carrots might taste like that with the same
> spices.
>
> Anyway, by your logic, if you fucking like to fuck, why not fuck
> cattle & chickens.
Erm...because cattle and chickens are in this world to serve as *food*
for those of us higher up on the food chain.
> Some of us make moral & aesthetic choices that are
> beyond the comprehension of lesser minds nyeh nyeh.
> -paghat the ratgirl
Boy, I can't *wait* until hunting season.
Pat "Mmmmmmmmm...venison" Steppic
AB
>AB <aaro...@eskimo.com> writes:
>
>> ObPeeve: The new Cyclops Cafe feels cold and ugly. Maybe it's
>> the lack of jell-o molds and artists and good hummous.
>
>The word is "hummus." "Hummous" is an adjective.
Jeez. Now I gotta clean coffee off my keyboard. Thanks a LOT, buddy.
>Geoff "just like 'mucus' and 'mucous'" Miller
A "could I have the humus plate?" B
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paghat
> "I won't eat it 'less it has a face."
My old rule that I won't eat anything that has eyes & legs applies to
clams [ref the comic strip "B.C."]
-paghat
Paul F Austin
"paghat" wrote in message
> In article <slrn8i3oos.d...@eskimo.com wrote:
>
> > "I won't eat it 'less it has a face."
>
> My old rule that I won't eat anything that has eyes & legs applies to
> clams [ref the comic strip "B.C."]
>
Susie?
AB
>pagsterSP...@my-deja.com (paghat) wrote:
>> AB <aaro...@eskimo.com> wrote:
>> >
>>
>
>Peeve: "vegetarian" meat substitutes. If you like the taste of meat,
>shop at a food co-op. Or kill your own.
Gardenburgers taste really good. Especially with bacon. I miss venison,
though. I'll have to hook up with some hunters once I settle in PDX. Maybe
if I butcher it and wrap the steaks in paper before I bring 'em home, the
ObLightOfMyLife won't make such a fuss. "Look what the butcher's had on
sale, dear!"
>!Peeve: on Sunday, the Ol' Lady and I had breakfast with JZ at the goat
>farm. His very own sausage (made with sage he'd picked that very
>morning) and bacon. It's good to know people who have a chest freezer
>full of pork. We also went and said hi to next year's freezerload.
"I won't eat it 'less it has a face."
Goat takes a lot of spicing. If they get tired of curry, I can recommend an
old Jamaican favorite, Jerk Goat. You can find recipes for jerk spice all
over, but a jar of Walkerswood goes a long way.
Does JZ sell feta or chevre at any of the Seattle farmer's markets?
>> >ObSeattle: While you're waiting, I'd recommend a few meals at the
>> >Elysian.
>
>Seconded. The beer, though, is the draw. The food is secondary.
Which says a lot about the quality of the beer. I hear Paggers doesn't care
much for alchohol, though.
Ob!Peeve: They've just put a 4-year-old Rogue Belgian on tap. About 9.5%,
and the hops alone will kick your ass around the room.
>> > OK. Go Saturday so you can flirt with Hazel.
>
>Which one is she?
You're not Paghat, sorry.
--
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Pat Steppic
> >pagsterSP...@my-deja.com (paghat) wrote:
> >
> >
> >Peeve: "vegetarian" meat substitutes. If you like the taste of meat,
> >fuckin' EAT MEAT. Cripes. If it's feedlots you have a problem with,
> >shop at a food co-op. Or kill your own.
>
> though. I'll have to hook up with some hunters once I settle in
PDX. Maybe
> if I butcher it and wrap the steaks in paper before I bring 'em home,
the
> ObLightOfMyLife won't make such a fuss.
Why should she care? Meat's meat, doesn't much matter who kills it.
The Ol' Lady's take is that if yer gonna get all weird about feedlots
and antibiotics and unsanitary conditions in meat packing houses, you'd
best either do it yourself, or have it done by someone you know will do
it right.
So I'm charged with filling the freezer, and we snag a bunch of pork
from the Goat Farm.
> "Look what the butcher's had on
> sale, dear!"
With the words "NOT FOR RE-SALE" stamped very prominently on the paper.
> >!Peeve: on Sunday, the Ol' Lady and I had breakfast with JZ at the
goat
> >farm. His very own sausage (made with sage he'd picked that very
> >morning) and bacon. It's good to know people who have a chest
freezer
> >full of pork. We also went and said hi to next year's freezerload.
>
> "I won't eat it 'less it has a face."
>
> Goat takes a lot of spicing.
He raises goats. He also has a half-dozen piglets. The sausage and
bacon are pork, through and through. The piglets we saw will be next
year's sausage and bacon.
And delish, too.
> Does JZ sell feta or chevre at any of the Seattle farmer's markets?
Naw, he doesn't milk 'em, they're more a hobby than anything else.
> >> >...the
> >> >Elysian.
> >
> >Seconded. The beer, though, is the draw. The food is secondary.
>
> Which says a lot about the quality of the beer.
Well, Dick Cantwell was the brewer at the Big Time for a while, and
moved on. He knows his stuff.
> >> > OK. Go Saturday so you can flirt with Hazel.
> >
> >Which one is she?
>
> You're not Paghat, sorry.
Well, I'm going to see Dick in a few weeks. I'll ask him.
Pat "Good to know local brewers, y'know" Steppic
Natural Born Cereal Killer
>ObSeattle: While you're waiting, I'd recommend a few meals at the Elysian.
>About half the entrees are veggie, and their veggie BBQ sammitch is mighty
>fine.
<blink> <blink> Veggie BBQ. <blink> Yup, still there. Ummm,
is that *possible*? I mean, isn't that against the very definition of
what BBQ consists of?
Peeve: dropped by Subway today for lunch, intending to get
a quick club sandwich to take back to the office. Forget the lines,
forget the drooling mouthbreather behind the counter incapable of
slicing the bread and inserting meat in less than two minutes (and
yes, I did time her. I had nothing better to do while waiting),
I spied the ingredient list for the el-cheapo cold cut combo.
Bologna, salami, and ham. All turkey-based.
Can somebody explain to me how ham can be turkey-based?
As somebody who hates pigs, it is important that I know the ham
I eat was once grunting and squealing, not gobbling and chuffing.
--
* Dan Sorenson DoD #1066 ASSHOLE #35 BOTY 97 Ret. vik...@probe.net *
* Vikings? There ain't no vikings here. Just us honest farmers. *
* The town was burning, the villagers were dead. They didn't need *
* those sheep anyway. That's our story and we're sticking to it. *
jul...@bongo.tele.com
Natural Born Cereal Killer <vik...@probe.net> wrote:
>I spied the ingredient list for the el-cheapo cold cut combo.
>Bologna, salami, and ham. All turkey-based.
>
> Can somebody explain to me how ham can be turkey-based?
>As somebody who hates pigs, it is important that I know the ham
>I eat was once grunting and squealing, not gobbling and chuffing.
Just as we have "Vegetable meat" for guilty vegetarians,
we have "Turkey Ham" for guilty Jews.
I am not sure if Turkey "pig" is cheaper than the real
thing, but it helps the secular jews who scarf shrimp but make
lame excuses about pork chug down a pale (and lowfat) version of
the delicious real thing.
Just think of all this stuff as meaty Olestra. Some of
the fun with none of the guilt. And compared to Olestra, none of
the anal seepage.
--
As far as me being "a retard" posibly so as compared to a genious. -
oore...@aol.com (OOREROOM)
Mark Wood
knuckles again at the thought
of your tender young prey
attempting helplessly to
dislodge itself from your
Tumescent member, you ought to
know that unlike the smooth
hairless adolescent prey tour
sort seems to favor, I'm 6'3"
250lbs. with both body and
facial hair.
Now that your rape fantasy
imagery is put in perspective,
you can type with both hands.
-M. Wood
Ps. Veal is about the only
non-poultry food that people
get salmonella from. So eat
up!
William Blair Haworth Jr.
>In article <YcqU4.403$3%6.1...@newsfeed.slurp.net>,
>Natural Born Cereal Killer <vik...@probe.net> wrote:
>>I spied the ingredient list for the el-cheapo cold cut combo.
>>Bologna, salami, and ham. All turkey-based.
>> Can somebody explain to me how ham can be turkey-based?[...]
> Just as we have "Vegetable meat" for guilty vegetarians,
>we have "Turkey Ham" for guilty Jews.
Sure, that's a chunk of the market, but only a chunk. Remember, there are
also abominations like turkey "pastrami".
> I am not sure if Turkey "pig" is cheaper than the real
>thing, but it helps the secular jews who scarf shrimp but make
>lame excuses about pork chug down a pale (and lowfat) version of
>the delicious real thing.
"Lowfat" is the real key, in both a direct sense. Faux charcuterie can be
tailored to be lower in fat than the real stuff, and an endless source of
raw material comes from the vast surplus of turkey thighs arising from the
Lite Generation's insatiable demand for white meat; cf. the adoption of
depleted uranium as a preferred material for antitank projectiles in the
late Cold War.
--Blair
paghat
> So I'm charged with filling the freezer, and we snag a bunch of pork
> from the Goat Farm.
You mispelled "shag."
-paghat the ratgirl
paghat
<rwka...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 17 May 2000 03:04:00 -0700, Mark Wood <wads...@montana.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Before you go glazing your
> >knuckles again at the thought
> >of your tender young prey
> >attempting helplessly to
> >dislodge itself from your
> >Tumescent member,
>
> Sputtering, but you've trimmed your line lengths, anyway. To about 30
> cpl. Not quite Right with Eversharp, but a minor improvement. Of
> course, you now look like you're trying to turn prose into poetry, or
> perhaps trying to pad your post with lines to make it look like it has
> substance.
Yeah, I started reading it thinking it was the lamest poem ever even for
UseNet then realized (even stranger) it was supposed to be complete
sentences.
Anonymous
>wrote:
>
>>"Ryan W. Kasten" wrote:
>[In essence, fuck off, Wood.]
>
>[Once more, for the idiots in the group: Hitler. Booga-booga.]
>>
to
>>suggest effective remedies. Since, Ayse hasn't wronged me personally,
>
>disregarded my carefully-worded suggestions that your postings are not
>welcome here, especially not by me. Personally.
And who the hell are you? The Grand Pubah of alt. peeves?
>>it only seemed
>>right to offer a serious suggestion after the outlandish and unhelpful
ones. Had I
>>realized that decency and genuine offers of help were verboten on your
news list, I'd
>>have refrained.
>
>Not my "news list," pal. This here is a newsgroup. It also happens to
>be a newsgroup where "decency" can take a flying fuck at a flaming
>figure-eight as far as most of the regular posters are concerned.
>Genuine offers of help are sometimes welcome, especially when they are
>directed at idjits that haven't quite figured out proper etiquette as it
>regards posting in an unfamiliar forum.
Or even a familiar one, Emily Post. You don't seem to know proper etiquette
yourself.
>>By the way, Why do you refer to her as the "Biggest Snag?"
>
>The term is "SNAG." It isn't directed at Ayse since, as far as I can
>figure, she doesn't have the requisite hardware to fit the last
>abbreviation in the acronym.
Enlighten me on this one, oh know-it-all.
>[What's Right For Mark is Right For Mankind.]
>>
>> If you're referring to my immigration versus genocide statement, I did
say It was
>my
>>personal preference.
>[Coupla more examples snipped]
>
>I'm still trying to figure out why you responded twice to the same post,
>and still haven't responded to my response to the first follow-up.
I'm trying to figure out why you keep responding to Mark since you keep saying
you don't want him here. And are not interested in him or anything he has
to say.
>Perhaps you've figured out that your ideas vis-a-vis any particular
>subject are no concern of mine. Perhaps you've come to the conclusion
>that I'm not concerned with any of your half-baked theories, all of
>which can be boiled down to "I heard this, and I feel this, so I'm gonna
>Share." Perhaps you're starting to understand that nobody here gives a
>shit about what you think.
Speak for yourself, Dweeb Dick. I thought newsgroups were specifically FOR
people to express their opinions, whether anyone agrees or not.
>If the latter, I congratulate you on your stunning insight after so few
>indirect clues have made their way to you.
You call those 'indirect clues'? Oh, I get it. Sarcasm. You need more work
on that.
>>I don't feel any guilt or remorse for the thousands of
>>animals that are slaughtered to produce food and clothing. With the possible
>>exception of the treatment of veal calves, the very thought makes me shudder.
>
>You fucking pussy. I love veal. I like the buttery texture. I
>salivate at the smell. I adore the smooth, even flavor. I especially
>like to consume a rare veal steak (with a side dish consisting of
>miniature, garlic and rosemary accented, cooked potato-people) in small
>bites, savoring each, while I think about the idiot animals that died
>baying pitifully; "tortured" so that a short time in my life may be that
>much more fulfilling.
>
>That you find such discomfort at the idea shows me that you are unfit
>for being a part of a race that has come up with such an ingenious
>method of food preparation. The foresight - brilliant! The very
>concept of "they're tender when they're young," extended to KEEP them
>that way until there's enough of 'em to make a meal for more than one,
>just fills me with pride that I am still, one hunnert per-cent, on top
>of the food chain.
Better rethink that last bit, fleabrain.
>Force-feed a bound calf in the dark for Christ, I say!
>
>>I on the other hand take a more utilitarian view of domestic animals.
>
>And your marriage failed, why, exactly?
And you would care, exactly why? Since you have stated once again you don't
give a shit about anything to do with him.
>
>
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paghat
<nob...@newsfeeds.com> wrote:
> Emily Post. You don't seem to know proper etiquette
> yourself.
"Hitch your manners to an Emily Post."
-Orson Bean
Roberta Hatch
> Can somebody explain to me how ham can be turkey-based?
Well, it's like this. Red meat is not good for you. Even
though the pig people keep telling us that pork is the other white
meat, it's really red meat. Now if you claim that a turkey log is
ham, and everyone really knows it's turkey, they can eat turkey ham
and feel good about what they're cramming down their throats. That's
why some supermarkets sell turkey bacon.
Then again, Julian might might be right. I understand that
turkey schnitzel is popular in Israel.
Bobbi
---
Roberta Hatch '65 Panhead
Dykes on Bikes, San Franciso, CA (This space for rent)
Mark Wood
"Ryan W. Kasten" wrote:
>
> On Wed, 17 May 2000 03:04:00 -0700, Mark Wood <wads...@montana.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Before you go glazing your
> >knuckles again at the thought
> >of your tender young prey
> >attempting helplessly to
> >dislodge itself from your
> >Tumescent member,
> >you ought to
> >know that unlike the smooth
> >hairless adolescent prey your
> >sort seems to favor,
>
> A typo in what looks like a half-assed attempt to label me as a
> homosexual. Calm down there, junior. Wouldn't want to look like a
> moron, would you?
I don't object to Homosexuality, but I do object
to people seeking to harm others for their own
gratification. Note the word prey.
> Followed up by the physical characteristics. Perhaps for the implicit
> threat?
No merely stated for the turnoff, as most people
aren't terribly attracted to large hairy asses,
but then the news is replete with freaks molesting
terribly unnattractive people.
> 250 pounds. That's over-limit, isn't it?
I would have hoped, but your tastes are still a
mystery.
-M. Wood
Robert Sneddon
<bha...@netcom.com> writes
>Natural Born Cereal Killer <vik...@probe.net> asks:
>
>> Can somebody explain to me how ham can be turkey-based?
>
> Well, it's like this. Red meat is not good for you.
Red meat *is* good for you.
Green meat, now that's just downright unhealthy.
!Peeve: The cartoon strip "Red Meat". Repetitive, unflattering artwork
set off by razor-sharp alternative humour with a depraved flavour to
many of the punchlines. Lotsa yuks. "Peanuts" fans would not approve.
--
Robert Sneddon "Spoo - the other blue meat".
paghat
<no...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Red meat *is* good for you.
My arm'd fall apart without any.
> Green meat, now that's just downright unhealthy.
>
> !Peeve: The cartoon strip "Red Meat". Repetitive, unflattering artwork
> set off by razor-sharp alternative humour with a depraved flavour to
> many of the punchlines. Lotsa yuks. "Peanuts" fans would not approve.
--
Nosy
<> > pagsterSP...@my-deja.com (paghat) wrote:
<> > > Now if only I could get a really great vegetarian Reubens.
<The very definition of Reuben stipulates that it contain corned beef.
Yes. But that has nothing at all to do with Reubens, who is
still dead. He did, however, have an interesting sense of
humor. An example of this can be found in the Prado.
<!Peeve: on Sunday, the Ol' Lady and I had breakfast with JZ at the goat
<farm. His very own sausage (made with sage he'd picked that very
<morning) and bacon. It's good to know people who have a chest freezer
<full of pork. We also went and said hi to next year's freezerload.
Wild porkers have become such a nuisance in parts of
Or-ee-gone that the Fish & Game folks basically hand out
year-round hunting permits for free.
Hmm....
paghat
(Nosy) wrote:
> <In article <8frulb$hmj$1...@nnrp1.deja.com> Pat Steppic <hp...@my-deja.com>
writes:
> <> > pagsterSP...@my-deja.com (paghat) wrote:
> <> > > Now if only I could get a really great vegetarian Reubens.
>
> <The very definition of Reuben stipulates that it contain corned beef.
>
> Yes. But that has nothing at all to do with Reubens, who is
> still dead. He did, however, have an interesting sense of
> humor. An example of this can be found in the Prado.
>
Trying to get anything veggie besides a potato knish in a Manhattan deli
is like trying to scrape dogshit off the rump of a cow. "Deli" just means
"meat thing on bread thing," unless that's started to change in the last
couple years since I was last there. But here on the west coast you can
actually sometimes get a veggie thing on a bread thing & they do sometimes
call one of these not-a-reuben-sandwiches a reuben. Unfortunately they're
nothing like a reuben, not in the same sense that a veggie hotdog is an
awfully lot like a hotdog. The missing ingredient is veggy cornbeef. You
can always get the kraut part right, but without the cornbeef, us
vegetarians just have to fucking god damned go without a reuben. Basically
I think just about all meat is awfully bad but some of the best treats of
childhood die hard -- deli stuff on the hip jewish side of my family, &
greasy fried chicken gizzards & wings on the white trash side of my
family, yummo.
A Rachel sandwich substitutes pastrami for cornbeen & there is a fairly
good vegetarian pastrami on the market though I don't care for it
personally because it tastes like pastrami, ick.
Turkey reubens are commonly offered beats me why that'd be called a
reubens though. The magic is really in the cornbeef which, like hotdogs,
taste nothing whatsoever like any natural form of meat, but certainly
tastes good, & getting sourkraut on it makes it less meat-like too. What
cornbeef REALLY tastes like is the junk its cured in -- mainly salt,
peppercorn, & bayleaf -- & the damned problem with the few attempts at
vegetarian reubens offered in the occasional reference is there's none of
these ingredients in whatever the hell they think is a suitable
replacement for the cornbeef.
Here's a recipe for a vegetarian reubens:
http://www.vegweb.com/frames/food/sandwich/2996.shtml
But it's no winner either, & this one's worse:
http://www.vegweb.com/food/sandwich/3146.shtml
The thing to bare in mind is tufu is a lot crappier than most vegetarians
will admit & its even just a little bit toxic (tofu dweebs should track
their headache to tofu intake ratio). So the belief that baked tofu slice
is a good substitute for cornbeef has mislead sandwich designers something
awful. A better so-called "Vegetarian Reuben" is made thus:
Thinsly sliced baked eggplant spiced with chile, bay, ground pepper; with
mustard, sauerkraut, Swiss cheese; chipotle mayonnaise or a
tartar-sauce-thickened Russian dressing; on rye naturally. Mix & grind the
spices beforehand, tinkering until you delude yourself it smells like the
spices in cornbeef. Never underestimate the power of delusion. And golly
darn it's good, though strange to say, it tastes more like a really great
eggplant & sourkraut sandwich than a reuben.
I once had a spicy nutloaf reuben that was properly spiced to give
sufficient impression of being a reuben, but unfortunately I never knew
the nutloaf recipe so could never duplicate that on-the-road discovery. I
might be able to figure it out experimenting a lot, but nutloafs are a
pain in the ass to make & defeats the quick-&-easy purpose of even having
a sandwich.
-paghat the ratgirl
Steve Daniels
pagsterSP...@my-deja.com (paghat) to say:
>Trying to get anything veggie besides a potato knish in a Manhattan deli
>is like trying to scrape dogshit off the rump of a cow.
I'm left wondering how the dogshit managed to get onto the cow
ass in the first place. A sub-wonder is why anyone would bother
scraping dogshit off of a cow, as they are pretty disgusting on
their own, and most likely wouldn't be worse with extra-species
shit on them.
>The thing to bare in mind is tufu is a lot crappier than most vegetarians
>will admit & its even just a little bit toxic (tofu dweebs should track
>their headache to tofu intake ratio).
No, the thing to bare in mind would be the woman who sits next to
me in Corporate Web Development.
And I have.
Several times.
--
Love me . . .
love my dog.
Roger Lee
>On Thu, 18 May 2000 11:17:10 -0700, crack smoking weasels forced
>pagsterSP...@my-deja.com (paghat) to say:
>
>>Trying to get anything veggie besides a potato knish in a Manhattan deli
>>is like trying to scrape dogshit off the rump of a cow.
>
>I'm left wondering how the dogshit managed to get onto the cow
>ass in the first place. A sub-wonder is why anyone would bother
>scraping dogshit off of a cow, as they are pretty disgusting on
>their own, and most likely wouldn't be worse with extra-species
>shit on them.
But you MUST admit that it's one wonderful turn of phrase.
Steve Daniels
r...@thranduil.org (Roger Lee) to say:
>On Thu, 18 May 2000 11:28:08 -0700, Steve Daniels <dan...@mind.net> wrote:
>>On Thu, 18 May 2000 11:17:10 -0700, crack smoking weasels forced
>>pagsterSP...@my-deja.com (paghat) to say:
>>
>>>Trying to get anything veggie besides a potato knish in a Manhattan deli
>>>is like trying to scrape dogshit off the rump of a cow.
<what for?>
>But you MUST admit that it's one wonderful turn of phrase.
I give it a 10 for originality.
Gerald Belton
(paghat) wrote:
<more snippage>
If you want to eat a fucking Reuben, eat the fucking Reuben. If you
want to be a fucking vegetarian, then do that. But please, please
quit whinging about your choices.
Gerald
paghat
Belton) wrote:
Unless I got two of them, wouldn't it be a masturbating reuben?
-paghat
C.J.Y.
(paghat) wrote:
The Rat-Lady Spake Thusly:
-->good vegetarian pastrami
What is the deal with meat-substitutes ?
You are a vegetarian , but still want meat ?
It's the same with diet candy . If you are on a diet then
STAY AWAY FROM CANDY !!
Perhaps I can understand people drinking
non-alcoholic beer , but do you ever see
non-alcoholic vodka ?
Does anybody actually believe that
"Low-Tar" cigarettes are healthy ?
How do they get vegetarian pastrami to taste like
meat? with a great big glob of bacon fat mixed in?
-------- Charlie "non-sequitur" Y.
Eric Kuritzky
Nosy <ata...@nmsu.edu> graced us with the following:
><In article <8frulb$hmj$1...@nnrp1.deja.com> Pat Steppic <hp...@my-deja.com> writes:
><> > pagsterSP...@my-deja.com (paghat) wrote:
><> > > Now if only I could get a really great vegetarian Reubens.
>
><The very definition of Reuben stipulates that it contain corned beef.
>
> Yes. But that has nothing at all to do with Reubens, who is
> still dead. He did, however, have an interesting sense of
> humor. An example of this can be found in the Prado.
Actually, Rubens is still dead. Reubens _are_ dead, in the sense that
these sandwiches are made out of formerly-living matter, but that's
not what you meant.
Peeve: Trying to learn something about a particular Baroque painter
by typing "Reubens" into a search engine, only to get reams of data
about the guy who used to play Pee-Wee Herman.
--Eric Kuritzky
"Will .sig for food"
AB
>pagsterSP...@my-deja.com (paghat) wrote:
>
>The Rat-Lady Spake Thusly:
>
>-->good vegetarian pastrami
>
>What is the deal with meat-substitutes ?
>You are a vegetarian , but still want meat ?
Wow, how original. No flies on you. BTW, indenting quoted text by 3 lines
is stupid. As is the double attribution.
>It's the same with diet candy . If you are on a diet then
>STAY AWAY FROM CANDY !!
I like diet candy. It has a unique, interesting taste. Some
saccharine-sweetened sodas tasted REALLY good, too.
>Perhaps I can understand people drinking
>non-alcoholic beer , but do you ever see
>non-alcoholic vodka ?
I'll never understand NA beer. It's worse than the worst canned malt-pop. I
drink NA vodka all the time. I call it "water", but I'll still sell it to
you for $5 a shot.
>Does anybody actually believe that
>"Low-Tar" cigarettes are healthy ?
Anyone who does should eliminate themselves from the general population
forthwith. I understand that low-tar cigs, like "light" beer, are an easy,
socially-acceptable way to wimp out without consuming less*.
>How do they get vegetarian pastrami to taste like
>meat? with a great big glob of bacon fat mixed in?
No, they do it with Dow's finest taste-bud enhancers. And nitrites. Lots
of nitrites.
> -------- Charlie "non-sequitur" Y.
You misspelled "non-sentient".
*And no red-blooded Amurrikan would consider consuming less.
--
_____________________________
drop "ego" to reply
All in jest, m'man.
paghat
(C.J.Y.) wrote:
> On Thu, 18 May 2000 11:17:10 -0700, pagsterSP...@my-deja.com
> (paghat) wrote:
>
> The Rat-Lady Spake Thusly:
>
> -->good vegetarian pastrami
>
>
>
> What is the deal with meat-substitutes ?
> You are a vegetarian , but still want meat ?
You weren't following the thread. The premise is that some meats have very
little meat flavor to them -- hotdogs could probably be processed with
chewing gum & stewed potatoes & taste the same -- highly spiced meats like
cornbeef or for goys sweetened cured hams -- taste nothing like meat but
rather like the spices; stuff breaded & deepfried like chicken tastes like
breading & grease so substitutes are easy. Long before I was vegetarian I
thought meat was pretty gross which is why I can forgive people who LIKE
meat having no moral center about it -- it was easy for me because it
tasted dreadful to me anyway -- but the stuff that doesn't taste like meat
I lamented until the meatless hotdog & meatless breakfast link really got
great. Now all I'm waiting for is a meatless cornbeef.
> It's the same with diet candy . If you are on a diet then
> STAY AWAY FROM CANDY !!
Don't like sugar either, easy to give up cuz it was always sickening. But
if I had to give up pasta I'd feel bad, & greasy junky stuff like tater
tots or chips are unfortunately quite appealing. Carbs & grease, yummo.
> Perhaps I can understand people drinking
> non-alcoholic beer , but do you ever see
> non-alcoholic vodka ?
Never looked for any since vodka & wood alcohol always struck me as
something to sterilize toilets, not to drink. But there are several
non-alcoholic roses & white wines that I think are really good. Just fancy
grape juice they got to market boefore it spoiled so better'n wine.
> How do they get vegetarian pastrami to taste like
> meat? with a great big glob of bacon fat mixed in?
You just take some circles of felt (alternatively, cardboard poker chips)
& soak them in cat urine & the right array of spices then -- voila,
pastrami! If you're a "lacto-bugo" vegetarian you can even add some
crunched up cockroaches & have most of the main ingredients of actual
pastrami right there.
-paghat the ratgirl
> -------- Charlie "non-sequitur" Y.
paghat
(Eric Kuritzky) wrote:
"Plays with PeePee Herman" as he's known 'round town. If he'd been wacking
off on the bus or on the sidewalk in front of some stripmall I could see
getting his career deep-sixed, but he was alone in a dark place watching
porn for crine out loud, how does anyone get arrested for that in this day
& age? The law's a lot weirder than Paul Reubens, whose sister's a dyke by
the way, must be hereditary after all.
-paghat the ratdyke
>
> --Eric Kuritzky
> "Will .sig for food"
--
Nosy
<In article <ATAYLOR.00...@atanasoff.nmsu.edu>, ata...@nmsu.edu
<(Nosy) wrote:
< writes:
<> <> > pagsterSP...@my-deja.com (paghat) wrote:
<> <> > > Now if only I could get a really great vegetarian Reubens.
<>
<> <The very definition of Reuben stipulates that it contain corned beef.
<>
<> Yes. But that has nothing at all to do with Reubens, who is
<> still dead. He did, however, have an interesting sense of
<> humor. An example of this can be found in the Prado.
<Trying to get anything veggie besides a potato knish in a Manhattan deli
<is like trying to scrape dogshit off the rump of a cow.
Honey, no one cares how they do things in Noo Yawk.
<"Deli" just means
<"meat thing on bread thing," unless that's started to change in the last
<couple years since I was last there. But here on the west coast you can
<actually sometimes get a veggie thing on a bread thing & they do
<sometimes
<call one of these not-a-reuben-sandwiches a reuben.
That's nice. "Reuben's" != "Reuben", make a note of it,
and trim those line lengths down to something tolerable.
<Here's a recipe for a vegetarian reubens:
Thanks ever so much, now run along to the PETA meeting.
Anonymous
kuri...@math.berkeley.edu (Eric Kuritzky) wrote:
>Peeve: Trying to learn something about a particular Baroque painter
>by typing "Reubens" into a search engine, only to get reams of data
>about the guy who used to play Pee-Wee Herman.
>
Don Homuth
On 19 May 2000, Anonymous wrote:
>
> kuri...@math.berkeley.edu (Eric Kuritzky) wrote:
> >Peeve: Trying to learn something about a particular Baroque painter
> >by typing "Reubens" into a search engine, only to get reams of data
> >about the guy who used to play Pee-Wee Herman.
> >
> Now THAT is funny!!
Yep. Got a friend who still chuckles over the problem his 15-yr-old son
had when they got their first www-capable compyootr in the house. He came
into the den, and the kid was sitting there looking simultaneously
frustrated and crestfallen.
Seems as how he had typed "tits" into altavista, but the first several
pages were mostly English birdwatching sites.
Heh!
Alan Gore
>> kuri...@math.berkeley.edu (Eric Kuritzky) wrote:
>> >Peeve: Trying to learn something about a particular Baroque painter
>> >by typing "Reubens" into a search engine, only to get reams of data
>> >about the guy who used to play Pee-Wee Herman.
Eric would have better luck in searching Baroque painters had he
spelled the fucking name right: Peter Paul Rubens.
ag...@uswest.net | "Giving money and power to the government
Alan Gore | is like giving whiskey and car keys
Software For PC's | to teenaged boys" - P. J. O'Rourke
http://www.alangore.com
Eric Kuritzky
Alan Gore <ag...@uswest.net> wrote:
>Don Homuth <dho...@OregonVOS.net> wrote:
>
>>> kuri...@math.berkeley.edu (Eric Kuritzky) wrote:
>>> >Peeve: Trying to learn something about a particular Baroque painter
>>> >by typing "Reubens" into a search engine, only to get reams of data
>>> >about the guy who used to play Pee-Wee Herman.
>
>Eric would have better luck in searching Baroque painters had he
>spelled the fucking name right: Peter Paul Rubens.
Which was the point of my original post. (Nosy and paghat had been
chatting for a while about a dead painter named Ruebens, whom Nosy
insisted was not a sandwich. I pointed out the error.)
Spot it.
--Eric Kuritzky
"The other night, I was laying in my bed, looking up at the
stars, when I wondered... 'Where the *fuck* is my roof?!'" -- anon.
Elaine Richards
Natural Born Cereal Killer <vik...@probe.net> wrote:
>
>jul...@bongo.tele.com writes:
>
>> Just as we have "Vegetable meat" for guilty vegetarians,
>>we have "Turkey Ham" for guilty Jews.
>
> I don't believe it. Jews aren't a large enough market
>in Sioux Falls to justify the change. Now guilty over-weight
>yuppies looking at their second bypass, *there's* a market.
You might *think* there are no Jews in Sioux Falls, but they are
everyone. They're in the cubboard, eating your wife's jam and under
the bed.
Also, Muslims do not eat pork.
Turkey "ham" isn't too bad. It doesn't taste like ham, but it's nice.
Not as greasy, a little less sweet.
The thing I really don't like is soy "milk". Gak. I feel badly for
people with lactose intolerance. Soy "milk" is for the birds, or, better
yet, the compost heap.
Natural Born Cereal Killer
> Just as we have "Vegetable meat" for guilty vegetarians,
>we have "Turkey Ham" for guilty Jews.
I don't believe it. Jews aren't a large enough market
in Sioux Falls to justify the change. Now guilty over-weight
yuppies looking at their second bypass, *there's* a market.
> Just think of all this stuff as meaty Olestra. Some of
>the fun with none of the guilt. And compared to Olestra, none of
>the anal seepage.
So it's the lunch equivalent of Lite beer. I suddenly
feel enlightened.
--
* Dan Sorenson DoD #1066 ASSHOLE #35 BOTY 97 Ret. vik...@probe.net *
* Vikings? There ain't no vikings here. Just us honest farmers. *
* The town was burning, the villagers were dead. They didn't need *
* those sheep anyway. That's our story and we're sticking to it. *
Pat Steppic
> Wild porkers have become such a nuisance in parts of
> Or-ee-gone that the Fish & Game folks basically hand out
> year-round hunting permits for free.
Jeff's porkers were decidedly domesticated. At least, as domesticated
as pigs *should* get, insofar as they were not "pets," they were,
without question, future meals. None of this pot-bellied-pig
as "domestic animal companion" tripe.
Incidentally, they have a year-round open season on hogs in Arkansas,
too. I don't know how good their meat is.
Pat "I'm not Obelix, after all" Steppic
--
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Before you buy.
Felix Allergenia
lot...@aol.comaol.com. (And knowing is half the battle.) writes:
> Next time, think about the back room. Think about how the plastic
> gloves routinely tear while Joe Bob Employee is mixing the tuna.
> Think about the tomatoes being sliced up with bare hands.
Oh, for fuck's sake. It wasn't very long ago when *all* food
preparation was done barehanded. Big fucking deal. As long
as the hands touching the food are clean and free of booger-
fragments and smegma and bunghole-scratchings, why would anyone
care that there was no latex separating them from the comestibles?
Besides, the chef plucked those escargot off his scrotum this
very morning.
Geoff
--
"The world is full of idiots. That's what's so frustrating about
anything. The voice of intelligence and reason is drowned out by
the thousands of hollering morons." -- nob...@newsfeeds.com
Francois
>
>I was once sitting across a table from a pal who upon sipping her latte
>suddenly spat out a steamed & frothy cockroach.
Was it still alive?
The ObEspresso machine here has a steam attachment for frothing milk,
which is usually not a problem until the yearly ant invasion. The little
buggers get in everything, including the steamer, so the GC and I have
taken to purging the tube before we dunk it into our milk. Ants are
tough - some of them keep moving even though they got launched from
their hidey hole on the crest of a 100 degree Celsius blast.
Francois.
"You may fire when ready, Gridley." -- Admiral Dewey.
Geoff Miller
pagsterSP...@my-deja.com (paghat) writes:
> My native american great-grampa [...]
You mean your *American Indian* great grampa?
> Still gives me the willies thinking of all you goys eating swine.
> To me seems roughly equivalent to eating doberman pincers or
> cockroaches.
That's because you lead a blinkered, intellectually cloistered
existence under the guise of cultural pride and cohesiveness.
If you had any self-confidence and sense of individuality, you'd
do whatever the fuck you wanted to instead of submitting to some
arbitrary and quaintly ancient rules about what you shovel into
your yapping maw. You remind me of a comment from a T-shirt
company executive I once read: "Black is the color of individuality.
Everybody has to have it." Mooo! Mooooooo! Chewin' your kosher
cud, are you?
The whole concept of keeping kosher has outlived its usefulness
and should be abandoned. Its anachronistic nature is particularly
evident, given that it's practiced by a race that's otherwise known
for its intelligence and penchant for education. There may have
been a time when some of this stuff made sense at a practical level,
but now it's just arbitrary bullshit that's clung to as a way of
contriving an "us against them" mindset -- which is precisely what
the world doesn't need nowadays. Besides, what sort of people
would need that sort of happy crappy in order to shore up their
sense of belonging? It's a social malaise, is what it is. The
modern Jew should have a cell phone in one hand and a ham sandwich
in the other. And his jackboot on the throat of a Palestinian, of
course. We shouldn't expet too much change too quickly, after
all.
Millions of people the world over eat pork and shellfish every day,
consume meat in conjunction with dairy products, jerk off on the
Sabbath, and what have you, and live to tell the tale. They're
living proof that these things are not harmful, and that kosher
dietary laws are silly and unnecessary. Keeping kosher is the
moral equivalent of refusing to go outdoors without tinfoil under
one's hat so that the evil Marshmallow People from the planet
Zznagoroth can't beam mind-rays into your head. It marks you as
a credulous bumpkin who wandered into a conceptual blind alley
somewhere along the way while growing up, and never managed to
outgrow fairy tales and superstitions.
Oh, and by the way, it's "Doberman *pinscher.*" You're welcome.
"Let me get this straight. You want us to cut the
ends of our *dicks* off?" --Moses
paghat
(Geoff Miller) wrote:
> pagsterSP...@my-deja.com (paghat) writes:
>
> > Still gives me the willies thinking of all you goys eating swine.
> > To me seems roughly equivalent to eating doberman pincers or
> > cockroaches.
>
> That's because you lead a blinkered, intellectually cloistered
> existence under the guise of cultural pride and cohesiveness.
> If you had any self-confidence and sense of individuality, you'd
> do whatever the fuck you wanted to instead of submitting to some
> arbitrary and quaintly ancient rules about what you shovel into
> your yapping maw. You remind me of a comment from a T-shirt
> company executive I once read: "Black is the color of individuality.
> Everybody has to have it." Mooo! Mooooooo! Chewin' your kosher
> cud, are you?
>
> The whole concept of keeping kosher has outlived its usefulness
> and should be abandoned.
WHAT a goofy dufus. First, I don't keep kosher, & I've been in more
Buddhist temples than synogogues since my only "official" religious
training was as a teenager, from my stepmother, who was raised in a hill
monastery of central Thailand. The Jewish side of my family was otherwise
NOT observant but rather athiestic. Still, there was a lot of kosher food
around, & I prefer a lot of kosher items such as latkes & pickles & leek
soup with matza balls. The family told me stories of Europe when everyone
was starving & the rabbi would come & bless improperly slain animal
carcasses & even garbage as food so that ultimately being kosher meant
anything over which the rabbi said "abracadabra".
We all tend to eat what we were raised eating & to find alien that which
was repeatedly claimed to be nasty. I've eaten unkosher stuff (such as
ants, & I've eaten crickets & once ate a deepfried worm) not to rebel &
not because I thought they'd be ever so tasty but out of curiosity;
nevertheless as a vegetarian & having grown up thinking these things were
not supposed to be eaten, bugs & worms & pork are not ever apt at this
late date to become a thing I'd eat. To me eating dogs seems gross -- it
seemed gross to my Buddhist stepmom too, herself 90% vegetarian not
counting fish, but she knew some Thai underclasses who bought fresh puppy
pretty regularly. You may find it outmoded not to eat worms & puppies but
hey, to each his own. There's a mental illness that induces some people to
eat cow-pies & horse apples, apparently named after foods for a reason.
But the idea that kosher has outlived its time is prejudiced & ignorant.
There are cultic distinctions between various peoples of faith & between
subgroups within given faiths. Even if community differentiation were the
only value of kosher (& that was ALWAYS its primary purpose) that would be
sufficient to keep it timeless. Personally I still recommend
vegetarianism, but you can be a swine buttmuncher if you want, I sure as
hell don't care, you can even fuck the poor animal again & I won't report
you, as I always assume if she doesn't like it she'll turn around & bite
you.
> Millions of people the world over eat pork and shellfish every day,
> consume meat in conjunction with dairy products, jerk off on the
> Sabbath,
Sabbath is regarded an ideal day for sexual relations because it is the
day that G-d descends upon the Divine Shekinah in erotic embrace. In the
ecstatic judaism of Abulfari, on the Sabbath he & his wife went running
out into the waves of the sea & fucked while partially submersed in the
lapping tide. But as you admit your only option is to jerk off on the
Sabbath, well I'm not surprised.
> and what have you, and live to tell the tale. They're
> living proof that these things are not harmful, and that kosher
> dietary laws are silly and unnecessary. Keeping kosher is the
> moral equivalent of refusing to go outdoors without tinfoil under
> one's hat so that the evil Marshmallow People from the planet
> Zznagoroth can't beam mind-rays into your head. It marks you as
> a credulous bumpkin who wandered into a conceptual blind alley
> somewhere along the way while growing up, and never managed to
> outgrow fairy tales and superstitions.
You are in essence being an Goof, Geoff. If you read carefully the kosher
laws you'll see they were, from the beginning, much more to do cultic
distinctions than health codes, which is why the word for "unclean"
alludes to cultic uncleanliness exclusively. Some of these food
regulations were even matters of respect for animals -- there are many
laws in Torah, such as treatment of donkeys that requires a man assist
even an enemy's ass, that reveal a rudimentary Animal Rights mentality in
ancient Israel -- & not boiling a kid in its mother's milk is one of these
types of regulations, as it was just symbolically too cruel. The pig was a
cultic animal of the Assyrians & other nonJudaic peoples, & the dog was
sacred to the Goddess Bau (= Gula), Bau being the sound She made while
having the form of a dog calling forth Creation, & the condemnation of
"dog priests" or celebites in Torah is not the anti-homosexual law
Christians revised it to be, but was a cultic distinction for the priestly
class of Yahweh only. There no mention of the Cat anywhere in Torah though
it was well-known throughout the region of the patriarchs -- it was so
intensely sacred to Egyptians that even to write its name was cultically
unfathomable, & the one reference that does exist is actually to
Association with these animals was considered a matter of cultic impurity
-- there is a reference in Ezekiel to a cat-headed goddess Beseth (i.e.,
Bast or Ubastet) -- & it ain't friendly.
So the unlearned Christian explanation that these old regulations were
because pigs could give you trichenosis & dogs were just for pets (NOT in
Judah they weren't, nor the cat) is just one of those myths y'all cook up
instead of actually studying Torah. Not that I think you HAVE to study it,
but by not so doing your opinions regarding Torah are inevenitably going
to sound stupid.
> Oh, and by the way, it's "Doberman *pinscher.*" You're welcome.
>
> "Let me get this straight. You want us to cut the
> ends of our *dicks* off?" --Moses
Christians should stop doing that. Circumcision is also a cultic
distinction. How it caught on with Christians in eras when Jews were
despised is something I've never tried to figure out. Again, it's "health"
benefits are a Christian excuse-making invention -- among Jews it
symbolized a covenant with G-d, nothing else. It was probably (though most
Jewish scholars don't like to confront the possibility) a less radical
form of castration as practiced by the priesthoods of Inanna & Ishtar. By
the way, if you wish to convert (please don't) you DON'T have to get the
end of your pecker lopped off -- it's permissible to just have the rabbi
touch the end of your pecker with a knife & not even draw blood. But a lot
of converts get all over enthusiastic & a spot of blood is drawn to make
them happy.
-paghat the ratgirl
> Geoff
--
----
"Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea."
- Gene Spafford, 1992
Jim Hill
>
> "Let me get this straight. You want us to cut the
> ends of our *dicks* off?" --Moses
That would be Abraham. Dicksnipping was well entrenched by Moses' time.
Pedantically,
Jim
--
"I'm a hero, I'm a zero, I'm the butt of the worst joke in history."
-- Bad Religion
Charles R. Tenney
paghat <pagsterSP...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>In article <8gecv6$vfk$1...@slb0.atl.mindspring.net>, geo...@netcom.com
>(Geoff Miller) wrote:
>Sabbath is regarded an ideal day for sexual relations because it is the
>day that G-d descends upon the Divine Shekinah in erotic embrace. In the
>ecstatic judaism of Abulfari, on the Sabbath he & his wife went running
>out into the waves of the sea & fucked while partially submersed in the
>lapping tide.
ObChestnut: And to this day, they still haven't gotten the smell out of
the fish.
>You are in essence being an Goof, Geoff.
Oooh, don't go there, girl. You're in serious danger of Catching On.
BTW, have you been writing in Spanish recently, such that "Goof" might
be considered to begin with a vowel?
--
Charles R. Tenney ten...@dec3.mc.duke.edu | What would Duke Univ. Medical
| Center want with my opinions?
"My karma ran over my dogma." | What would I want with theirs?
AB
>Geoff Miller wrote:
>>
>> "Let me get this straight. You want us to cut the
>> ends of our *dicks* off?" --Moses
>
>That would be Abraham. Dicksnipping was well entrenched by Moses' time.
Exodus 4:21-26
21 And the LORD said unto Moses, When thou goest to return into Egypt, see
that thou do all those wonders before Pharaoh, which I have put in thine
hand: but I will harden his heart, that he shall not let the people go.
22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son,
even my firstborn:
23 And I say unto thee, Let my son go, that he may serve me: and if thou
refuse to let him go, behold, I will slay thy son, even thy firstborn.
24 And it came to pass by the way in the inn, that the LORD met him, and
sought to kill him.
25 Then Zipporah took a sharp stone, and cut off the foreskin of her son,
and cast it at his feet, and said, Surely a bloody husband art thou to me.
26 So he let him go: then she said, A bloody husband thou art, because of
the circumcision.
'Swhat I get for being a Residents fan.
--
drop ego to email me
And knowing is half the battle.
>24 And it came to pass by the way in the inn, that the LORD met him, and
>sought to kill him.
Sounds like the good beginning to a horror/suspense movie.
Set in bible times 'LORD: THE QUICKENING'. The ragtag band of survivors from
'LORD' flee across the desert to escape the insane wrath of the son of god!
ObPeeve: How crap like this is ignored by the fundies.
paghat
> Jim Hill <jim...@swcp.com> wrote:
> >Geoff Miller wrote:
> >>
> >> "Let me get this straight. You want us to cut the
> >> ends of our *dicks* off?" --Moses
> >
> >That would be Abraham. Dicksnipping was well entrenched by Moses' time.
>
> Exodus 4:21-26
>
> 21 And the LORD said unto Moses, When thou goest to return into Egypt, see
> that thou do all those wonders before Pharaoh, which I have put in thine
> hand: but I will harden his heart, that he shall not let the people go.
>
> 22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son,
> even my firstborn:
>
> 23 And I say unto thee, Let my son go, that he may serve me: and if thou
> refuse to let him go, behold, I will slay thy son, even thy firstborn.
>
> 24 And it came to pass by the way in the inn, that the LORD met him, and
> sought to kill him.
>
> 25 Then Zipporah took a sharp stone, and cut off the foreskin of her son,
> and cast it at his feet, and said, Surely a bloody husband art thou to me.
>
> 26 So he let him go: then she said, A bloody husband thou art, because of
> the circumcision.
>
>
> 'Swhat I get for being a Residents fan.
In the original Hebrew these verses can be construed to indicate Moses was
circumcized as an adult, & by his wife -- indicating two important things:
Moses had been put into the basket upon the Nile before he was circumcised
(as otherwise it wold've been no surprise to him later to find out he was
a Jew); & women originally performed the circumcisions. The idea that
Zipporah circumcized not only her sons but also her husband has
considerable midrashic elaboration, as scripture in showing the Angel of
the Lord attempting to kill Moses gives absolutely no clue as to WHY the
Angel wanted to kill Moses -- a missing segment of the story obviously &
one midrashic explanation is Moses was scared to have the Judaic tribal
mark performed on him, but shouted, "Please Lord, not the shlong!" Moses
was swallowed from head to stomach by a gigantic demonic angel before
Zipporah "bloodied the foot" of Moses -- "foot" being several places in
scripture definitely a polite alternative word for shlong. Except for the
swallowed by an angel bit it all makes more sense than the "surface"
reading which is Zipporah clipped off a bit of skin from her son & threw
it on Mose's foot, which is otherwise a completely unattested ritual & not
very likely, especially not for this story which clearly has a missing bit
explaining why the angel was so PEEVED (on-topic you bet) at Moses. There
are other explanations for the angel's peevishness though, including when
Moses was instructed by God to "touch" the rock to bring forth water but
Moses was mad at his followers & he "struck" the rock instead -- the Rock
having been a manifestation of G-d's Bride the Divine Shekhinah, hence God
was angry that his girlfriend had been wacked by Moses.
I trust those verses weren't quoted as evidence Jim got it wrong though,
as of course the FIRST circumcision (scripturally speaking) was that of
Abraham [Gn 17:10-14]. There is a reading that gave rise to a reasonable
midrash that Sarah performed the circumcision on Abraham -- & that reading
is furthered by the more obvious likelilhood that Zipporah did it to or
for Moses. Women may have controlled circumcision of infant boys up to the
time of the Maccabees [1 Mcc 1:60; 2 Mcc 6:10] & only later was the
creation of the tribal mark transferred exclusively to a rabbi. Women may
have controlled circumcision even into the Christian era, for an Infancy
gospel depicts the midwife of Mary circumcising Jesus. In the Talmudic
age, after the fall of the Jerusalem Temple, a revision of Judaism
occurred that was so radical that it is today nearly impossible to know
what Judaism meant formerly. But it does appear to be at that late date
that rabbis control circumcision.
The twelfth century Zohar asserts circumcision was always a men's ritual,
in antiquity done during men's equivalent of women's niddah or ritual
separation, so like all midrashic elaborations these are speculative & not
definitive, though always scripturally referential & credible. Among those
(Muslim) groups that perform clitoral hood circumcision (& sometimes
outright clitoradectomies oh-my-god) one rationale is that the first
circumcisions were not only performed by women, but on women, & the first
was when Sarah circumcized Hagar (in Muslim lore, Hagar was the first of
their lineage, so that Jews & Muslims share only a father in common).
Strabo reported that Jewish women did perform this ritual on girls &
though Strabo wasn't very correct in many matters it is an interesting
extrabiblical piece of evidence.
There is plenty of authority for peoples other than Jewish having
premarital rituals of defloweration, so that the bloodletting for girls
was when a priestess broke the hymen of a "girl" so that the "girl" died
and the "woman" was reborn, & thereafter ready for marriage. In Brauron
girls were educated in woodland Artemis colonies in the manner of virgin
nymphs, & graduation involved a "marriage by capture" ceremony in which
older girls captured fleeing graduates. A poem survives from Sparta in
which the younger girls name who of the older girls they hope to be
captured by, & the poem ends with all the girls laying down in pairs under
moonlight. Most curiously, ALL surviving texts about marriage-by-cature
regard girls with girls, or boys with boys, & all the divine associations
are homoerotic even though prefiguring heterosexual marriage. The best
evidence that Jewish women performed a similar defloweration ritual is the
plethora of Semitic goddess figurines which are smooth-sided, round-headed
& "coincidentally" in a size & form that would function as a phallus,
arguing for women's mystery cults in the lands of the patriarchs,
involving acts between young women of marriageable age, acts symbolizing a
gift of fertility from the Goddess, the death of the maiden, the birth of
the woman. Such a fertility goddess WAS worshipped even by the Jews, vis
Asherah, whose figurines are most the most clearly round-headed armless
phalluses of all.
So while male circumcision perhaps originated as a "toning down" of older
rituals of complete castration in honor of the Goddess (as performed in
Sumer & still well known in Roman times), female circumcision would be a
mutilating exaggeration of premarital deflowering rituals. If such rituals
did exist among Jewish women as they did among Greek women, then it would
indeed have been during niddah or ritual separation from the men, at the
time of the New Moon, to this day associated with the idea of the "blood
of women" & ritually impure for men. The un-deflowered maiden would remain
impure & unsuitable for marriage, just as an uncircumcised man cultically
impure & could not marry within the tribe.
I support the Christian movement to do away with circumcizing boys which,
for whom the ritual has no tribal cultic meaning, so is both cruel &
unnecessary. It is proper for Jewish boys only for it has a very broad &
important tribal meaning. There may come a day when circumcision of boys
is not regarded essential even among Jews, as it is not considered
essential for Jewish girls though it appears likely that there was a time
when girls underwent a parallel ritual. This seems not to be likely for
the perceivable future given the overbearing power of the orthodox
minority in Israel, but Jeremiah refers to "the circumcised heart,"
capturing the sense that the physical ritual was internalized in a highly
spiritual manner [Jr 4:4], & perhaps need only be performed symbolically
-- as even now circumcision is on some level symbolic of a much more
extreme mutilation.
-paghat the ratgirl
paghat
lot...@aol.comaol.com. (And knowing is half the battle.) wrote:
> >From: aaro...@eskimo.com (AB)
>
> >24 And it came to pass by the way in the inn, that the LORD met him, and
> >sought to kill him.
>
> Sounds like the good beginning to a horror/suspense movie.
Or the midrash that Moses was devoured from head to bellybutton by this
snake-like angel of the Lord.
> Set in bible times 'LORD: THE QUICKENING'. The ragtag band of survivors from
> 'LORD' flee across the desert to escape the insane wrath of the son of god!
It's hard to find anything scarier than the biblical G-d.
> ObPeeve: How crap like this is ignored by the fundies.
Christians more broadly than fundamentalists tend not to study the bible
very closely. I believe the usual explanation is that the cruel God of
what Christians call "Old Testament" instead of Torah was somehow tamed or
displaced by the Loving God, Jesus. This teaching also underlies a lot of
antiSemitism. And it isn't restricted to Fundamentalists by no means. The
Jewish explanation for G-d's capacity for great evil is that G-d reflects
our own state of purity. The double-nature of G-d is usually in balance --
the component of Judgement would like to just wipe us off the face of the
earth we're such sickening warped hatemongering stupid dweeby duckfucking
losers -- but the component of Lovingkindness would like to say, "Oh well,
I forgive you," even to someone who rapes & cuts to pieces a little child.
When humanity is good WE bring G-d closer to his own loving component, but
when we're batshit crazy we make G-d batshit crazy -- & it is our effect
upon him that defines our free will.
In the Zohar G-d became so enraged that he feared he would not live up to
his convenant never to destroy the whole god damned planet ever again. So
he called his Bride to him, the Divine Shekhinah, & he said, "I give you
my angelic hosts, I give you my weapons, I give you rule of the world, &
whosoever would come to Me must do so through You." I love that myth as it
shows that even in the supposedly MOST patriarchal of religions the
Goddess survives. The Sabbath Bride is a manifestation of the Divine
Shekhinah honored every Saturday with feasts & sexual intercourse,
representing the intercourse between G-d & the Shekhinah, during which
weekly nuptials G-d receives his only news of the Earth. It is traditional
at Sabbath banquets to read the last Proverbs addressed to "the perfect
mother." But just as Catholics worship Mary as a mediatrix without
believing they worship a Goddess, so too every observant Jewish household
well knows & loves the Sabbath Bride as Perfect Mother, without quite
recognizing who She is. Cool, huh.
AB
>In article <slrn8imauk.3...@eskimo.com>, aaro...@eskimo.com wrote:
>
>> Jim Hill <jim...@swcp.com> wrote:
>> >Geoff Miller wrote:
>> >>
>> >> "Let me get this straight. You want us to cut the
>> >> ends of our *dicks* off?" --Moses
>> >
>> >That would be Abraham. Dicksnipping was well entrenched by Moses' time.
>>
>> Exodus 4:21-26
>> 'Swhat I get for being a Residents fan.
>
>was angry that his girlfriend had been wacked by Moses.
Or maybe JHVH is crazy. It seems to me like much of the OT consists of
rules and stories of JHVH saying "because I'm God, that's why." Omniscient,
omnipotent and omnibenevolent gods aren't SUPPOSED to make sense.
If I wanted a crazy god, I'd worship Eris.
>I trust those verses weren't quoted as evidence Jim got it wrong though,
>as of course the FIRST circumcision (scripturally speaking) was that of
>Abraham [Gn 17:10-14].
No, only that Geoff got it right.
>The best evidence that Jewish women performed a similar defloweration
>ritual is the plethora of Semitic goddess figurines which are smooth-sided,
>round-headed & "coincidentally" in a size & form that would function as a
>phallus, arguing for women's mystery cults in the lands of the patriarchs,
>involving acts between young women of marriageable age, acts symbolizing a
>gift of fertility from the Goddess, the death of the maiden, the birth of
>the woman. Such a fertility goddess WAS worshipped even by the Jews, vis
>Asherah, whose figurines are most the most clearly round-headed armless
>phalluses of all.
Ancient Jewish mystic dildos. A concept that seems almost Dadaist. Steeds
of walrus plywood and all that.
>I support the Christian movement to do away with circumcizing boys which,
>for whom the ritual has no tribal cultic meaning, so is both cruel &
>unnecessary.
Never heard that the anti-snip movement was explicitly Xtian. I still
wonder how that "hygenic" thing got started. Maybe it was a secret plot to
ensure that Jewish men could "pass" as goyim should it become necessary.*
I'm told it sometimes worked in Germany. "Circumcision? Hygenic reasons.
Black hair? My mom's Italian, OK?"
*If I actually believed in Jewish conspiracies, I'd have converted.
Elaine Richards
AB <aaro...@eskimo.com> wrote:
>paghat <pagsterSP...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>In article <slrn8imauk.3...@eskimo.com>, aaro...@eskimo.com wrote:
I'd worship Elvis. Better songs, funnier following. Plus, he does
weddings.
>>I support the Christian movement to do away with circumcizing boys which,
>>for whom the ritual has no tribal cultic meaning, so is both cruel &
>>unnecessary.
>
>Never heard that the anti-snip movement was explicitly Xtian. I still
>wonder how that "hygenic" thing got started. Maybe it was a secret plot to
>ensure that Jewish men could "pass" as goyim should it become necessary.*
>I'm told it sometimes worked in Germany. "Circumcision? Hygenic reasons.
>Black hair? My mom's Italian, OK?"
http://www.eastbayexpress.com/current_issue/cover_current.html
Read this, like NOW, as it is probably going to expire in a day or two.
(Maybe I will save it just in case).
It is a very lengthy article by a journalist who left his sons uncut,
but was very compelled by the doctors that he interviewed for the
article.
He goes into the anti-circ movement a bit and then follows the stories
of two physicians who are pro-circ. One holds that it reduces the chance
of penile cancer and early life infections so greatly that is highly
recommended. Another doc has observed that the rate of AIDs infections
in heterosexual men (who are the penetrators and not the penetrated)
is reduced so substantially that it is fast becoming a recommended
practice in Africa, where most HIV cases are among straights and non-
needle users.
It probably is more rational and well researched than any of the
armchair observations in this group.
ER
Elaine Richards
Following up on my previous posting, a more permanent URL
appears to be
http://www.eastbayexpress.com/archive/051900/cover1_051900.html
ER
Art Walker
>I'd worship Elvis. Better songs, funnier following. Plus, he does
>weddings.
I'm partial to Tortelvis, myself.
- Art