No Attention Span
Kathryn
performed on her.
They all concluded that she has a hard time focussing on the person who is
talking to her (ie. doesn't following instructions, seems off in space most of
the time).
Are there any books out there that can help her concentrate/focuss on the tasks
at hand? How can I make her to be a good listener?
Thanks for your help.
Kathryn (mu...@bnr.ca)
Sandra Tiffany
>I just recently met with my daugther's teachers on a evaluation test they
>performed on her.
>
>They all concluded that she has a hard time focussing on the person who is
>talking to her (ie. doesn't following instructions, seems off in space most of
>the time).
>
This may not be related at all, but does your daughter eat well? I have heard
that teenage girls may not do as well in school because they try too hard
to be thin, and don't eat enough. The lack of good nutrition reduces their
concentration level. I know for a fact that if I don't eat enough and then
play volleyball, I feel weak. If I play too long, I start having trouble
remembering the score and basically get spacy.
skt
Julie Holm
From what you write (which is limited) it sounds like your daughter may have
attention deficit disorder. You don't say how old your daughter is. I have
two sons who have had similar problems. They both were diagnosed with
Attention Deficit Disorder, both at different times, and both put on the drug
Ritalin. This can be good or bad. For one son it was pretty disastrous, for
the other it was wonderful. The older son had focusing problems, but no
behavioral problems (that is, no hyperactivity). He responded well to very
low doses of Ritalin, and took it only for a year and a half, until he went
into 7th grade. He took it only once a day, only on school days, never on
weekends or in the summer, and he was very carefully watched by a good doctor
who knew what she was doing. She also valued my observations and concerns
highly (THIS IS KEY!!!) George was also learning disabled (more about this
later.)
The other had more severe problems and significant behavioral problems. He
was put on Ritalin by a psychiatrist whom he saw about the behavioral problems.
The Ritalin didn't work well, so the doctor upped the dose. I told him I was
concerned that Tom might have other problems, but he didn't really respond to
my concerns or feelings. He just upped Tom's dose. Finally I and Tom's school
had to really assert ourselves to have Tom evaluated better, and he ended up in
Children's Hospital psychiatric wing for nine weeks. Turns out Tom has other
problems (neither here or there.)
What's the moral of this story? Well three points, from my experience:
1. Is it that she WON'T focus or CAN'T focus? If she CAN'T focus,
books are unlikely to work. The problem may be biochemical. Be careful of her
diet (especially sugar, artificial colors and flavors - I am convinced from my
kids that this has an affect.)
2. If you believe that this kind of thing can be biochemical, get her
to a good doctor. If the doctor does not ask you a lot of questions about her,
and probably even give you a LONG survey SEE ANOTHER DOCTOR. If the doctor
does not address your concerns, SEE ANOTHER DOCTOR. This diagnosis is so iffy,
that you need a doctor who really respects you. YOU know your child best.
3. If the doctor prescribes Ritalin, take it with a grain of salt.
Don't have your kid taking Ritalin when she doesn't need to, i.e. weekends,
summers. George never took Ritalin the first couple of weeks of school, then
after I talked with his teachers, we would start it. It was a bit rough on
him, BUT HE KNEW WHAT TO EXPECT, and that was how we realized he was ready to
get off it. I talked to his teachers one year (beginning of 8th grade) and
said that he would probably be going on Ritalin and they ALL said Why? He is
doing fine!! So he never started.
ADD is pretty controversial, and Ritalin (which is a form of speed) is also, so
you need to process this advice through your own personal filter. This is what
happened with my kids, though.
JERRY STORRS
Kathryn,
I don't mean to be thick and literal; however, have she had her eys sight
checked recently ? I had similar problems in 5th grade (distant history!)
and my eyes were the problem. However, in this 'day-in-age' I assume I would
have narcotics thrown at me for attention deficit disorder... :-)
Anyway, good luck & God bless... JLS
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Julie Holm
writes:
> I don't mean to be thick and literal; however, have she had her eys sight
> checked recently ? I had similar problems in 5th grade (distant history!)
> and my eyes were the problem. However, in this 'day-in-age' I assume I would
> have narcotics thrown at me for attention deficit disorder... :-)
>
think anyone should ever just "throw" a drug at someone. However, this kind of
attitude really is unfair to many people who have been genuine helped by
Ritalin.
Certainly eyesight, and hearing I might add, should be checked. Absoloutly the
possibility of food allergies should be checked. Most importantly the child
should go through a thorough medical evaluation before starting Ritalin, and it
should be carefully monitored.
Being so flip about it really doesn't help anyone. And incorrect information
(like calling Ritalin a narcotic) really doesn't help.
JERRY STORRS
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|>In article <1993Jun22....@ncsu.edu> sto...@eos.ncsu.edu (JERRY STORRS)
|>writes:
|>> I don't mean to be thick and literal; however, have she had her eys sight
|>> checked recently ? I had similar problems in 5th grade (distant history!)
|>> and my eyes were the problem. However, in this 'day-in-age' I assume I would
|>> have narcotics thrown at me for attention deficit disorder... :-)
|>>
|>Ritalin is not a narcotic. It is a serious drug, a stimulant, and I don't
|>think anyone should ever just "throw" a drug at someone. However, this kind of
|>attitude really is unfair to many people who have been genuine helped by
|>Ritalin.
|>
Forgive my semantics! :-) I am (obviously) not a professional when it comes to
'drugs' or 'narcotics'. I also did not intend on being '
|>Certainly eyesight, and hearing I might add, should be checked. Absoloutly the
|>possibility of food allergies should be checked. Most importantly the child
|>should go through a thorough medical evaluation before starting Ritalin, and it
|>should be carefully monitored.
|>
|>Being so flip about it really doesn't help anyone. And incorrect information
|>(like calling Ritalin a narcotic) really doesn't help.
|>
Forgive my semantics! :-) I am (obviously) not a professional when it comes
to 'drugs' or 'narcotics'. I also did not intend on being 'flip'. I realize
that my statement should have had more explaination with it, but I had been
called away and just added the :-) to the end.
Plus I was not aiming my comment in any direction except to say that there ARE
(unfortunately) professionals who will ride a bandwagon when it comes along.
This includes attention deficit disorder, dyslexia, abuse, etc. I have know
several people who were diagnosed with a 'problem' only to have second opinions
reverse the diagnosis AFTER severe side effects from the treatment came about.
I care alot for the young people in this world and for the people who are
attempting to guide them in the right direction. I would not intentionally
mislead people down any incorrect path. I would like to thank you, Julie, for
bringing to my attention the fact that I had been misinterpreted. And I will
close with another......... :-)
May the Lord bless you and keep you
Pete Lancashire
>|>Being so flip about it really doesn't help anyone. And incorrect information
>|>(like calling Ritalin a narcotic) really doesn't help.
>|>
>Forgive my semantics! :-) I am (obviously) not a professional when it comes
>to 'drugs' or 'narcotics'. I also did not intend on being 'flip'. I realize
>that my statement should have had more explaination with it, but I had been
>called away and just added the :-) to the end.
>Plus I was not aiming my comment in any direction except to say that there ARE
>(unfortunately) professionals who will ride a bandwagon when it comes along.
>This includes attention deficit disorder, dyslexia, abuse, etc. I have know
>several people who were diagnosed with a 'problem' only to have second opinions
>reverse the diagnosis AFTER severe side effects from the treatment came about.
>I care alot for the young people in this world and for the people who are
>attempting to guide them in the right direction. I would not intentionally
>mislead people down any incorrect path. I would like to thank you, Julie, for
>bringing to my attention the fact that I had been misinterpreted. And I will
>close with another......... :-)
I guess I have to toss my cents in here....
I'm now convinced I was ADD and in some ways still ADD (ADDR ? I
forget), but I have to agree about the abuse of drugs to cure 'problem'
kids.
One of the kids I was a BB to was diag'ed as heavy duty ADD, well to
make a long story short, there was nothing wrong with the kid.
This kid was being pumped with every drug you could imagine. X, Doesn't
work try Y, try a bigger dose...
The 'experts' never once checked into the kids home life was like.
I don't have the ref's anymore, but there are elementry school now where
over 10% of the kids are on drugs for ADDH.
It is very very easy for a teacher/counsler to get a kid on drugs today.
Sorry but this just caugth a nerve...
-pete
Julie Holm
>
> I guess I have to toss my cents in here....
>
> I'm now convinced I was ADD and in some ways still ADD (ADDR ? I
> forget), but I have to agree about the abuse of drugs to cure 'problem'
> kids.
>
> One of the kids I was a BB to was diag'ed as heavy duty ADD, well to
> make a long story short, there was nothing wrong with the kid.
> This kid was being pumped with every drug you could imagine. X, Doesn't
> work try Y, try a bigger dose...
>
> The 'experts' never once checked into the kids home life was like.
>
> I don't have the ref's anymore, but there are elementry school now where
> over 10% of the kids are on drugs for ADDH.
>
> It is very very easy for a teacher/counsler to get a kid on drugs today.
>
misdiagnosed. When I posted a week or two ago, about my two sons, both of whom
were diagnosed ADD, I tried to point out that giving a kid Ritalin can be a
real problem. It was for my younger son, who was not ADD after all, but
actually suffers from bipolar disorder.
However, there are children (and adults) for whom this therapy (Ritalin) is a
lifesaver. We need to keep that in mind also. When appropriately used for
the right problem, Ritalin can be great!!!! I have experienced that with my
older son. I think maybe this can be said of all drugs. Used appropriately
and conservatively, drugs are good. For example morphine, an otherwise real
problem drug, can be a miracle drug when used for a dying child experiencing
the pain of terminal cancer.
Unfortunately there are indeed doctors out there who are too quick to prescribe
any drug, teachers and school workers who would rather have less to deal with
and thus encourage a pharmacological "solution."
IMHO, Ritalin is a good drug when prescribed appropriately. How can a parent
be sure that is happening? IMHO and from my ten years of dealing with ADD and
other special needs in my own kids these steps are important.
1. Pick your doctor carefully. If possible talk to other parents with
similalr problems. If your kid is in a special ed program, that may be
easier, as they are likely to have support groups going. Otherwise you may
have to hunt.
2. Make sure your doctor thorougly examines your child. This should
include not only a complete physical examination with hearing and vision checks
but also an examination of home life. The doctor should give you a long
questionnaire about your child's behavior at home, which you should answer very
carefully. The doctor should listen to you carefully when talking to you about
your child. This diagnosis is made largely based on the parent's observations,
so this is an important point.
3. Other testing may be needed. If testing for neurological problems,
learning disabilities, psychological problems, etc. are suggested, do it if you
can. In many cases this can be done (for free) throught the school system as
part of an evaluation for special education services. Some of these conditions
can be present also.
4. If an ADD diagnosis is made, pay attention to how the medication is
administered. If your child needs to take the medicine when he/she is not
going to school, why is that? (It may be necessary for a really extreme case,
but I don't know.) If you have any concerns, get a second opinion. Your child
should have a vacation from the medication at least yearly, for at least a
couple of weeks. (My son used to take the whole summer off, and did not take
the medicine when he did not go to school, but he did not have hyperactivity,
just attention problems.) Does the doctor start with a small dose (say, 5 mg
doses) and work up?
5. After he starts taking the medication, watch your child and tell the
doctor anything that seems strange. Does your child have trouble sleeping?
Does she/he seem to develop a "tolerance" for a dose after a couple of weeks
and need a higher dosage? (In my son's case this was a clue that it was not
working. The two week window was most likely a placebo effect.) Talk all this
through with your doctor. If necessary MAKE your doctor talk to you. I belong
to an HMO and they want to get you out of there ASAP, but I insist on time, and
I found a pediatrician who believes I should have it. I'm happy as long as
they don't fire her for not turning my visits around fast enough.
Sorry this is so long, but I hope it is useful, and expresses better my
feelings.
Julie (I need a signature, don't I?) Holm