Christmas Do's and DON'T's
Mother Henrietta Hickey
few helpful hints that are guaranteed to make your Christmas bright.
1) If you're a Christian, do celebrate Christmas. Decorate your house to
welcome the Coming King to Earth. If you're not a Christian, don't
celebrate Christmas. You're free to celebrate the Norse Yule or the
Roman Saturnalia or some other such pagan gluttons' feast that glorifies
how much damage Satan has done in the world. I'm not speaking of the
Jews -- I'm a Black Jew myself. I see no reason why Christians shouldn't
celebrate both Hanukkah and Christmas, since it was during Hanukkah that
Jesus revealed Himself to be God (John 10:22-30). It is my opinion that
the Disciples were planning to celebrate His Birthday when Jesus startled
them with another of His Wondrous Divine Revelations. Praise the Lord!
2) Christmas trees are OK, but make sure your decorations aren't too
gaudy. Your home or office shouldn't look like a bar. Forgo the
reindeer, the sleigh, the elves (including the "jolly old" elf Santa Claus),
the snowmen (especially the mechanical ones that move -- they're downright
demonic), the Grinch (an anti-Jewish stereotype), the dollar signs, the
milk maids, the harem girls, and Tiny Tim. Soft pedal the tinsel and the
blinking lights in favor of a brightly lit creche, a stable, fresh straw,
camels, horses, sheep, shepherds, wise men, gold, frankincense, myrrh,
Joseph and Mary (as long as they're not too idolatrous -- Mary shouldn't be
weeping or holding her arms out to starving Third World children -- the
Star of Bethlehem, and angelic choirs. Bells are fine -- they announce
the Coming of the King. Colored orbs are out -- they're pagan. A
plaster figurine of King Herod that the kids can throw rocks at is
optional. A spinning reindeer is utterly abominable.
3) Do put candles, whether real or electric, in the window to show that
the Light is still shining through the cold darkness that is ruled by
Satan. It offers hope to wanderers in sin.
4) Don't spoil your children and loved ones with presents. One or two
per person will suffice, and shouldn't cost you an arm and a leg.
Don't go into debt at Christmastime. Believers are indebted to God,
not to mortal man. Remember the needy at Christmastime, and the Holy
Churches like mine that reach out to the downtrodden and dispossessed.
Invite a family of homeless derelicts to your home to sit down and sup
with you and yours, and at dinner discuss with them ways in which they
might stop burdening society with their begging and become useful
citizens. Be sure to count the silverware before AND after they leave,
and of course not to display your wealth to them openly, lest they covet
it. A friend of mine picks hoboes and bag ladies off the streets in
Atlanta right before Christmas, blindfolds them, and drives them to his
rich cousin's cabin in the Smoky Mountains, where they sometimes spend
the weekend helping with the cooking, cleaning, and woodcutting. Just be
sure not to open your doors to illegal immigrants. If you want to help
them, buy them a one-way ticket back home.
5) Don't try to buy friendship or love with jewelry or other luxuries.
Anyone who can be bought with gifts is not worth having in your life.
6) Write or call relatives you haven't spoken to in years and try to bury
the hatchet with them. Jesus said, "Blessed are the peacemakers: for
they shall be called the Children of God" (Matthew 5:9). Just be sure
they will be able to go back where they came from -- unless you want to
turn your house into a hotel for the winter. Don't sponge off
relatives. That's how the trouble gets started in the first place.
7) Rid your house of any alcoholic beverages before Christmas in
preparation for your New Year's resolution never to touch a drop of the
stuff again. The Bible tells us "strong drink is raging" (Proverbs
20:1), and it is disrespectful to celebrate the Birth of Our Lord with
the devil's potion. That means no rum balls or spiked punch. God does
not want drinking children in Heaven.
8) Don't lie to your children about where their presents come from.
Santa Claus is an agent of the devil who teaches children that they can
buy their way into Heaven by doing good works. That is not the Gospel of
Our Lord. Tell your children openly and out loud that department store
and mall "Santas" are fake.
9) If your children misbehave during the year, do buy them a new,
bigger paddle or other such corrective gift for Christmas. I once bought
one of my daughters a rope for Christmas and tied her in her chair with it
when she insisted on nosing my attic. I certainly put a stop to HER natural
curiosity.
10) Go Christmas caroling. Witness to your friends and neighbors and
show them what your Love for Christ Jesus has done for you. Hand out
Gospel tracts that teach that Judgment Day is coming very soon and that
we must all be prepared for the Crack of Doom. Ask your hosts and
hostesses if they know where they'll spend eternity should they die
tonight and remind them that the tortures and torments of hell are ETERNAL.
11) "Frosty the Snowman" and "Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer" are NOT
Christmas carols. They're nonsense songs that probably offend Jesus'
ears.
12) Don't forget your local Church and its pastor and her family, keeping in
mind how much they've done for you during the previous year, and how much
grief they suffer preaching the Word to a lost and wicked world.
13) Make sure your house is immaculately clean during the Christmas Season
and invite family and friends over to see how much God has blessed you.
Take this time to donate any unwanted goods -- or toys you can't give the
kids because they've been bad -- to your favorite charity. If you decide a
child doesn't deserve a particular gift you've bought for him and decide
to give it to someone else, make sure the child knows what he's not
getting, so he'll know better than to misbehave next time.
14) Children need fewer toys and games and more books. Do they still
make those delightful Suzy Homemaker toys for girls? All of them are
fine -- except the ugly vanity. It sure lives up to ITS name! Boys
should learn to make things and girls should learn how to keep house.
I'm not saying that's all either should learn, or that girls shouldn't
learn to make things or that boys shouldn't learn to keep house (both
should), but that children should be bought educational toys and not a
bunch of mechanical monstrosities that plunge their minds into fantasy
worlds. I personally don't like Barbie Dolls. I think girls should have
Sarah, Rebekah, Rachel, Miriam (which comes with stick-on leprosy lesions),
Deborah, Ruth, Bath-sheba, the Queen of Sheba, Esther, Mary, Elizabeth, Mary
Magdalene, and Prisca dolls. Boys should have Noah, Abraham, Jacob,
Joseph, Moses, Joshua, Samson, David, Solomon, Elijah, Elisha (complete
with she-bears and ill-fated brats), Isaiah (complete with evil
palace guards with a saw), Jeremiah, Daniel (with lions), Jonah (with a
shark, not a whale, that he can fit into), Joseph, John the Baptist, Jesus
and the Disciples, Zacchaeus, Paul, Luke, Silas, and Cornelius action
figures -- and a Tower of Babel that topples by itself when it reaches a
height of four feet to teach children that man proposed and Gods disposes!
I personally don't think it's wrong for older children (maybe ages 7
through 10) to have Cain, pharaoh, Goliath, Ahab, Jezebel, Manasseh,
Nebuchadnezzar, Judas, Simon Magus, Ananias and Sapphira and Whore of
Babylon dolls they can punish or kill to vent their frustrations. I'm
even for a Sodom and Gomorrah scale model which kids can annihilate with
home-made fiery lava. Toys like this really bring the Word to life.
I'm trying to market a Brith Baby that comes complete with a dirty
foreskin its "mother" can cut off while reciting the appropriate blessings.
It will give children a healthy respect for the Circumcision that
Almighty God demands of all TRUE Believers.
15) Have a Christmas feast. Spare no trouble in creating a meal everyone
will remember for months. Serve duck, chicken, or beef, or even all
three, but not ham. (Turkey is OK, but properly reserved for
Thanksgiving.) God doesn't want us to eat pork.
16) Read the Christmas story from the Bible, emphasizing the Slaughter of
the Innocents so as to remind your children how many millions have
suffered and died for their Faith. All that Charles Dickens
stuff is OK, but unless kids know the Reason for the Season, the Real
Meaning of Christmas is lost on them.
17) Don't forget Kwanza. I know a lot of people spell it Kwanzaa, but that
spelling doesn't exist in Swahili and represents a misunderstanding of
the grammatical rules of that beautiful language. Kwanza starts on
Christmas Day and ends on Circumcision Day, eight days later. Light a
colored candle for every day of the feast and count your many blessings.
Do not pray to Shango or Erzulie. They're demons in disguise.
18) My personal suggestion is that you exchange gifts on Epiphany,
January 6th, when the Magi brought gifts to the Precious Baby Jesus.
That's what Christianity is all about, after all: deferred gratification.
Jesus Loves ALL of You, My Children,
Sinner or Saint,
And He Wants You to Celebrate and Rejoice on HIS Birthday
Reverend Mother Henrietta Hickey
First Universal Christian Kingdom
Dallas, Texas
Mother Henrietta Hickey
like they need a little mental exercise.
I believe we've gone over this ground before. What proof do you
have that Jesus was NOT born on December 25? Whatever it is, it's
probably the work of the devil geared to stir up evil DOUBTS in people's
minds.
Mother Hickey of Dallas -|-
Jesus' Secret Agent |
CynR
Mother Henrietta Hickey wrote in message <74ig2m$d6p$1...@nnrp1.crl.com>...
Angel Sparrow
Mother Henrietta Hickey wrote:
> Merry Christmas to ALL of you from Mother Hickey. The following are a
> few helpful hints that are guaranteed to make your Christmas bright.
There are no guarantees, darling.
>
>
> 1) If you're a Christian, do celebrate Christmas.
But of course. We always celebrate a festivale of
light/Light in December. I feel it makes no difference whether
one spells it Son or sun.
> You're free to celebrate the Norse Yule or the
> Roman Saturnalia or some other such pagan gluttons' feast that glorifies
> how much damage Satan has done in the world.
Ahem! The rebirth of the sun motif was prepratory for
the revelation of the Son.
> I see no reason why Christians shouldn't
> celebrate both Hanukkah and Christmas
We do, but because we are of Jewish Heritage
(great grandfather 4 generations ago
was a Jewish Peddlar)
> 2) Christmas trees are OK, but make sure your decorations aren't too
> gaudy. Your home or office shouldn't look like a bar.
Can't argue that.
See "A Charlie Brown Christmas" for reasons why.
We use a lot of home made ornaments.
>Soft pedal the tinsel and the
> blinking lights in favor of a brightly lit creche,
Ours is a simple statue of the Baby sleeping while Mary watches
and Joseph stand over them protectively. The small chest of
frankinsence and myrrh sits open beside this.
It avoids the "kid giving Baby Jesus a ride on the train under the tree"
> . A spinning reindeer is utterly abominable.
Rotfl! Yes, yes, yes! Someone with my sense of asthetics!
Animated anything is abominable. I want a new angel this year
for our tree top. A big scary "Millennium" style one. No cute fluffy
Romay Downy kind.
> 3) Do put candles, whether real or electric, in the window to show that
> the Light is still shining through the cold darkness that is ruled by
> Satan. It offers hope to wanderers in sin.
Not with small children and low sills. Sorry. Friend of mine's little brother
tried biting through the cord of their electric ones.
He lived but with a horrid burn.
> 4) Don't spoil your children and loved ones with presents. One or two
> per person will suffice, and shouldn't cost you an arm and a leg.
Must agree here. We have a $25/child spending limit that
covers all the gifts from St Nicholas Day to Twelfth Night
Hubby and I stuff a stocking for each other for $10
>
> . Remember the needy at Christmastime, and the Holy
> Churches like mine that reach out to the downtrodden and dispossessed.
The Casino I work at is sponsoring an Angel tree, coats for kids, toys for
tots, a food drive, and the United Way. (the gift that keeps on giving)
Our church is doing a food drive. I contributed to the angel tree, and the food
drive,. The toy bin was full and we're still using all our coats here.
>
> 5) Don't try to buy friendship or love with jewelry or other luxuries.
> Anyone who can be bought with gifts is not worth having in your life.
How about "People can change." I used to be purchasable
with $100/hr. I am living proof of the Magdalene myth.
>
>
> 6) Write or call relatives you haven't spoken to in years and try to bury
> the hatchet with them.
I'm still talking to everyone except my uncle. He's a known pedophile,
and I have children at the age he likes best. That isn't a grudge,
it's a safety measure.
> 8) Don't lie to your children about where their presents come from.
Nope. We just give them Nicholas, Lucia and the Wise Men.
>
> Santa Claus is an agent of the devil who teaches children that they can
> buy their way into Heaven by doing good works.
Nonsense. re-read the "Yes Virginia" letter. Santa is a metaphor for
generosity and love of children. Mom and Dad buy the presents.
Also, if you aren't doing Good, you're not going to heaven because you don't
believe.
Try a quick review of James: Faith without works is dead.
>
> 9) If your children misbehave during the year, do buy them a new,
> bigger paddle or other such corrective gift for Christmas
My preferred corrective measure is socks and underwear.
8)
> I certainly put a stop to HER natural
> curiosity.
And this is a good thing? I love my daughter's curiosity.
(I do however hide gifts well.)
> 10) Go Christmas caroling. Witness to your friends and neighbors and
> show them what your Love for Christ Jesus has done for you. Hand out
> Gospel tracts that teach that Judgment Day is coming very soon and that
> we must all be prepared for the Crack of Doom. Ask your hosts and
> hostesses if they know where they'll spend eternity should they die
> tonight and remind them that the tortures and torments of hell are ETERNAL.
Lovely, "God loves you, you're going to hell!"
I don't think so. My theologian can beat up
your theologian....
> 11) "Frosty the Snowman" and "Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer" are NOT
> Christmas carols. They're nonsense songs that probably offend Jesus'
> ears.
Jesus, nothing. They offend my ears! Jingle Bells too.
"A rudolphian carol of excruciating banality."
Bah, humbug!
> 12) Don't forget your local Church and its pastor and her family,
Ahem, we do not suffer women to teach or have authority over men.
In all your legalsim you seem to have missed this point.
"there's a great text in Galatians.
Once you trip on it entails
Twenty-nine distinct damnations.
One is sure if another fails."
--Browning
> 14) Children need fewer toys and games and more books.
Can't argue that. Although there are games I strongly prmote:
Othello, Mancala, Risk, Stratego, Chess and Trivial Pursuit.
These build strategic thinking and enhance knowledge base
> Do they still
> make those delightful Suzy Homemaker toys for girls?
Barf! My daughter gets art supplies. I am teaching her to use
the real tools and appliances. I stand firm on not getting an easy-bake oven
> but that children should be bought educational toys and not a
> bunch of mechanical monstrosities that plunge their minds into fantasy
> worlds.
There is nothing wrong with fantasy worlds. In fact my own, Ellassa,
has been very profitable....
But I do think blocks and dolls are good, along with
child-propelled cars. As for fantasy: you've never seen my 3 year old ride
up on his fire engine (making a siren himself) take out
the EMT kit and fix the baby. Big time fantasy play. Very healthy.
Who knows, he may be an EMT like his grandpa.
> I personally don't like Barbie Dolls.
I like Barbie and the knock offs. With proper clothing, (I sew)
they can be Biblical figures
without buying all the "Jesus Junk" you proceed
to espouse.
Worst Christian scam: buying toy armor at the dollar store,
relabeling it "The Armor of God" and selling it for $10/set.
> and a Tower of Babel that topples by itself when it reaches a
> height of four feet to teach children that man proposed and Gods disposes!
Wooden block do this just fine for my kids
without an additional plastic toy, action figures and
polyglot tape sold serparately.
> 15) Have a Christmas feast. Spare no trouble in creating a meal everyone
> will remember for months. Serve duck, chicken, or beef, or even all
> three, but not ham. (Turkey is OK, but properly reserved for
> Thanksgiving.) God doesn't want us to eat pork.
Juden, Juden Juden! We're having lasagna, thank you.
My husband always cooks. family tradition.
> 16) Read the Christmas story from the Bible, emphasizing the Slaughter of
> the Innocents so as to remind your children how many millions have
> suffered and died for their Faith.
Swell, given that it was maybe 4-7 kids. Horrid, but
then again, we live down the road from Jonesboro,
so I can't get too worked up over what happened
2000 years ago when something much worse happened
last year.
> All that Charles Dickens
> stuff is OK, but unless kids know the Reason for the Season, the Real
> Meaning of Christmas is lost on them.
Dickens is sacchrine and sentimental. Skip it.
I recommend the practice of tales of the wierd and
ghost stories on Christmas. Stephan Kings
"Thje Breathing Method" is a great place to start.
> 17) Don't forget Kwanza.
We aren't black. For us to do this is cultural tourism
and offensive to the large black community in which we live.
>Do not pray to Shango or Erzulie. They're demons in disguise.
No, they are another people's conception of the Divine.
Who is to say that embraced by a tribe of genocidal
xenophobic Martus is right, and that embraced by any other culture is wrong?
Is God not bigger than the boxes we use to classify
Hime?
>
> 18) My personal suggestion is that you exchange gifts on Epiphany,
Twelfth night is always a to-do around here.
Part of the family is Greek orthodox.
"First Universal Christian Kingdom" indeed.
The more outworn the creed, the bigger the credentials...
Some is great, some is out in left field.
Like all of Mother Hen's posts.
Angel, getting ready to make Lucia buns
Sandy
Tying your child down with a rope is child abuse, Mother Henry! You
should be reported to the authorities!
Sandy
Mother to Kevin, 6; Bryan, 3 and Jesse 9 months
MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL!
KL Ussery
> Well, Brian, I like to keep people guessing, especially when they seem
>like they need a little mental exercise.
> I believe we've gone over this ground before. What proof do you
>have that Jesus was NOT born on December >25?
Since you never answered, I'm going to post this again.
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>>Hickey said:
>>Date:1998/11/06Forums:alt.parenting.solution>>s
> >Christian
>>tradition has mandated December 25 as >>Jesus' Birthday. I believe Jesus
>>Himself revealed that fact to His faithful >>servants centuries ago.
>and:
>>Date:1998/11/06Forums:alt.parenting.solution>>s
>>I acknowledge that Jesus' actual date of birth >>was not recorded
>>during Our Lord's sojourn on earth, but >>enough inspired individuals have
>>agreed that Jesus was born at 12:35A.M. on >>Saturday, December 25, 6 BC,
>>that it MUST be true.
>and again:
>>Date:1998/11/08Forums:alt.parenting.
>>solutions
>>I think Jesus chose to be born on what had >>been a pagan
>>holiday in order to give the date an entirely >>new meaning.
>and then goes on to say:
>> Granted that there's only a 1 in 365 >>chance that Jesus was born
>>on December 25.
>You aren't being very consistant, Hickey.
>Kendra
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>Whatever it is, it's
>probably the work of the devil geared to stir up evil DOUBTS in people's
>minds.
Oh, you do that well enough on your own.
Kendra
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"If a man speaks in the forest, & there isn't a woman around to hear him:
Is he still wrong?"
--
Lisa J. Iwig
don't know what is. I'd have to say that's definitely a Christmas DON'T.
--Lisa
Mom to Jacob 10/26/94 and Ian 3/6/97
Angelika Kuehn
>
> Merry Christmas to ALL of you from Mother Hickey. The following are a
> few helpful hints that are guaranteed to make your Christmas bright.
>
**snipped bunch of obsurd (mixed with some ok stuff) holiday tips**
This has really got to be some sort of crazy joke.
I certainly found this posting more humorous than serious. So take it
with a
Happy Holidays everyone !
-Angie
mama to Nicholas - 5*21*97
Jill Hamilton
I have added my own commentary to that of Ms. Hickey's...hope you enjoy!!!!
Jill
>
>1) If you're a Christian, do celebrate Christmas. Decorate your house to
>welcome the Coming King to Earth. I'm not speaking of the
>Jews -- I'm a Black Jew myself. I see no reason why Christians shouldn't
>celebrate both Hanukkah and Christmas, since it was during Hanukkah that
>Jesus revealed Himself to be God (John 10:22-30). It is my opinion that
>the Disciples were planning to celebrate His Birthday when Jesus startled
>them with another of His Wondrous Divine Revelations. Praise the Lord!
REPLY: Hickey, this is OK...celebrate whichever holiday coincides with your
chosen religion. I personally will celebrate Christmas.
>
>2) Christmas trees are OK, but make sure your decorations aren't too
>gaudy. Your home or office shouldn't look like a bar. Forgo the
>reindeer, the sleigh, the elves (including the "jolly old" elf Santa
Claus),
>the snowmen (especially the mechanical ones that move -- they're downright
>demonic), the Grinch (an anti-Jewish stereotype), the dollar signs, the
>milk maids, the harem girls, and Tiny Tim. Soft pedal the tinsel and the
>blinking lights in favor of a brightly lit creche, a stable, fresh straw,
>camels, horses, sheep, shepherds, wise men, gold, frankincense, myrrh,
>Joseph and Mary (as long as they're not too idolatrous -- Mary shouldn't be
>weeping or holding her arms out to starving Third World children -- the
>Star of Bethlehem, and angelic choirs. Bells are fine -- they announce
>the Coming of the King. Colored orbs are out -- they're pagan. A spinning
reindeer is utterly abominable.
REPLY: Where do they celebrate Christmas with a harem girl? Also, it's not
you footing the bill for the electricity used in decorating ...how one
chooses to decorate our houses is ONES business, not yours.
>
>3) Do put candles, whether real or electric, in the window to show that
>the Light is still shining through the cold darkness that is ruled by
>Satan. It offers hope to wanderers in sin.
REPLY: This one is also OK, just make sure you blow them out if they are
real, lest your house burn down, and you become one of the "homeless
burdens" mentioned in the next "Hickey-ism".
>
>4) Don't spoil your children and loved ones with presents. One or two
>per person will suffice, and shouldn't cost you an arm and a leg.
>Don't go into debt at Christmastime. Believers are indebted to God,
>not to mortal man. Remember the needy at Christmastime, and the Holy
>Churches like mine that reach out to the downtrodden and dispossessed.
>Invite a family of homeless derelicts to your home to sit down and sup
>with you and yours, and at dinner discuss with them ways in which they
>might stop burdening society with their begging and become useful
>citizens. Be sure to count the silverware before AND after they leave,
>and of course not to display your wealth to them openly, lest they covet
>it. . Just be
>sure not to open your doors to illegal immigrants. If you want to help
>them, buy them a one-way ticket back home.
REPLY: I don't agree with spoiling people with presents either, but if you
are the Christian that you say you are, you should not judge the homeless
and downtrodden. In your post, you say to "count the silver before and
after the meal." Sounds quite judgemental to me...only the Lord our God is
worthy to judge mortal man. EVEN YOU SHOULD KNOW THIS!! As for the illegal
aliens, I do not think that they should be here illegally either, but they
ARE ALSO God's creatures!!!
>
>5) Don't try to buy friendship or love with jewelry or other luxuries.
>Anyone who can be bought with gifts is not worth having in your life.
REPLY: Don't buy friendship with gifts, but if you sincerely love and care
about someone, you WANT to give them a nice gift, no matter if the gift is
worth $10.00 or $100.00.
>
>6) Write or call relatives you haven't spoken to in years and try to bury
>the hatchet with them. Jesus said, "Blessed are the peacemakers: for
>they shall be called the Children of God" (Matthew 5:9). Just be sure
>they will be able to go back where they came from -- unless you want to
>turn your house into a hotel for the winter. Don't sponge off
>relatives. That's how the trouble gets started in the first place.
REPLY: Do you not enjoy having family around, or have you chased all of
your family off? Our families are a blessing from the Lord, and any person
who sincerely loves the Lord AND their families would not consider a holiday
visit "sponging".
>
>7) Rid your house of any alcoholic beverages before Christmas in
>preparation for your New Year's resolution never to touch a drop of the
>stuff again. The Bible tells us "strong drink is raging" (Proverbs
>20:1), and it is disrespectful to celebrate the Birth of Our Lord with
>the devil's potion. That means no rum balls or spiked punch. God does
>not want drinking children in Heaven.
REPLY: I agree about the drinking, but I am a non-drinker.
>
>8) Don't lie to your children about where their presents come from.
>Santa Claus is an agent of the devil who teaches children that they can
>buy their way into Heaven by doing good works. That is not the Gospel of
>Our Lord. Tell your children openly and out loud that department store
>and mall "Santas" are fake.
REPLY: I see absolutely no harm in Santa Claus. The mythical "Santa" is
known to be a jolly, happy person who's main goal in life is giving to
others. GIVING...I Know, it's a new concept to you, but try it...you might
even crack a smile on that hardened face of yours.
>
>9) If your children misbehave during the year, do buy them a new,
>bigger paddle or other such corrective gift for Christmas. I once bought
>one of my daughters a rope for Christmas and tied her in her chair with it
>when she insisted on nosing my attic. I certainly put a stop to HER
natural
>curiosity.
REPLY: Someone should have put a set of handcuffs on you for child abuse.
Sure, discipline your children, but don't tie them up with ropes. Jesus
wanted us to liken ourselves to little children...if Christ thought them to
be so bad, why does he command us to be like them???
>
>10) Go Christmas caroling. Witness to your friends and neighbors and
>show them what your Love for Christ Jesus has done for you. Hand out
>Gospel tracts that teach that Judgment Day is coming very soon and that
>we must all be prepared for the Crack of Doom. Ask your hosts and
>hostesses if they know where they'll spend eternity should they die
>tonight and remind them that the tortures and torments of hell are ETERNAL.
REPLY: Yes, go caroling, and spread the wonderful news that Christ is
coming again soon.
>
>11) "Frosty the Snowman" and "Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer" are NOT
>Christmas carols. They're nonsense songs that probably offend Jesus'
>ears.
REPLY: I don't teach my children that Frosty and Rudolph are going to judge
the earth, and that someday they are going to live with Frosty and Rudolph
in heaven. A child's voice singing is the most precious sound to be heard,
and these sweet, innocent songs are not offensive. Judgemental actions and
downgrading of others, however, are offensive, and also SINFUL. Think about
it.
>
>12) Don't forget your local Church and its pastor and her family, keeping
in
>mind how much they've done for you during the previous year, and how much
>grief they suffer preaching the Word to a lost and wicked world.
REPLY: Yes, remember your minister and their family...they deserve more
than words can ever say.
>
>13) Make sure your house is immaculately clean during the Christmas Season
>and invite family and friends over to see how much God has blessed you.
>Take this time to donate any unwanted goods -- or toys you can't give the
>kids because they've been bad -- to your favorite charity. If you decide a
>child doesn't deserve a particular gift you've bought for him and decide
>to give it to someone else, make sure the child knows what he's not
>getting, so he'll know better than to misbehave next time.
REPLY: Give toys to the needy, but don't deprive your own children of a few
joys also. I surely feel sorry for your child(ren). What a pitiful life
they must have had growing up, not to mention the severe guilt complexes.
>
>14) Children need fewer toys and games and more books. Do they still
>make those delightful Suzy Homemaker toys for girls? All of them are
>fine -- except the ugly vanity. It sure lives up to ITS name! Boys
>should learn to make things and girls should learn how to keep house.
>I'm not saying that's all either should learn, or that girls shouldn't
>learn to make things or that boys shouldn't learn to keep house (both
>should), but that children should be bought educational toys and not a
>bunch of mechanical monstrosities that plunge their minds into fantasy
>worlds.
>I'm trying to market a Brith Baby that comes complete with a dirty
>foreskin its "mother" can cut off while reciting the appropriate blessings.
>It will give children a healthy respect for the Circumcision that
>Almighty God demands of all TRUE Believers.
REPLY: Biblical toys are great, and if available, are wonderful toys to
give to children. But, there are many toys that are also educational and
fun. The "Brith" (is this to be Birth) baby: will that not promote young
children to speak of those"dirty, nude regions" that you spoke of in an
earlier post? I am receiving many conflicting signals from you, Hickey.
Stick to one road and stay there.
>
>15) Have a Christmas feast. Spare no trouble in creating a meal everyone
>will remember for months.
REPLY: Have a wonderous feast, and celebrate with your family. (Oh wait, I
forgot...your family members are nothing but human sponges...NEVERMIND!)
>
>16) Read the Christmas story from the Bible, emphasizing the Slaughter of
>the Innocents so as to remind your children how many millions have
>suffered and died for their Faith. All that Charles Dickens
>stuff is OK, but unless kids know the Reason for the Season, the Real
>Meaning of Christmas is lost on them.
REPLY: Yes, read the accounts from the bible about our glorious Saviour's
birth.
>
>17) Don't forget Kwanza. I know a lot of people spell it Kwanzaa, but that
>spelling doesn't exist in Swahili and represents a misunderstanding of
>the grammatical rules of that beautiful language. Kwanza starts on
>Christmas Day and ends on Circumcision Day, eight days later.
REPLY: I am not African-American, so I do not think that this one applies
to me.
>
>18) My personal suggestion is that you exchange gifts on Epiphany,
>January 6th, when the Magi brought gifts to the Precious Baby Jesus.
>That's what Christianity is all about, after all: deferred gratification.
REPLY: I have to work that day (so that I may not be a derelect of
society), as do all of my family, so December 25 is alright with me. I WILL
spend the holiday with my family.
Leah Adezio
> The "Brith" (is this to be Birth) baby:
What she is referring to is correctly either referred to as a Bris or
Brit Milah, the ritual in which a Jewish male is circumcised at 8 days of
age.
As a Jew, I find the concept of a 'Brith' (sic) Baby offensive. Mothers
do not perform Brit Milah on their children, Mohels do. Then again, I
find the troll Hickey's claims that she is Jewish, yet spouts Christian
fundamentalist 'teachings' also offensive. If one is Christian, by
definition, one cannot also be Jewish. It's really that simple, no
matter how the troll tries to define itself.
Leah
Georgia Pritchett
Leah Adezio wrote in message <366DD5...@nac.net>...
>As a Jew, I find the concept of a 'Brith' (sic) Baby offensive. Mothers
>do not perform Brit Milah on their children, Mohels do. Then again, I
>find the troll Hickey's claims that she is Jewish, yet spouts Christian
>fundamentalist 'teachings' also offensive. If one is Christian, by
>definition, one cannot also be Jewish. It's really that simple, no
>matter how the troll tries to define itself.
As someone who considers themselves a fundamentalist Christian,
I don't claim Hickey either. Please don't lump any religious group
in with her. She is a Troll, plain pure and simple. What she says
offends all.
Georgia
Leah Adezio
Well, even though she *claims* she's an evangelical, fundamentalist
Christian, what she spouts is nothing like I've ever heard from any
Christian I know, hence the 'teachings', not teachings. Sorry if I
wasn't clearer on that.
You're right. She is a Troll.
Leah
Jeff & Traci De
>
> Merry Christmas to ALL of you from Mother Hickey. The following are a
> few helpful hints that are guaranteed to make your Christmas bright.
>
Well, I'm new to this group, but I see y'all have a very...interesting
variety of comic relief.
Traci
--
From who I was to who I'll be
His love and grace has delivered me
Angel Sparrow
Chrystynna wrote:
> >That means no rum balls or spiked punch. No we won't have any. I think you've
> eaten them all.
I forgot to make any. Guess I'll just drink it from the bottle.
> >If your children misbehave during the year, do buy them a new,
> >bigger paddle
Actually, that's on the list for my boyfriend.
That and a carry all for his bondage toys...
(Green canvas, rolls up from both ends,
his intalgio in black.)
DH is getting his girlfriend a new collar.
My boyfriend is getting his fiance about three piercings.
8) 8) 8P 8)
> >I once bought
> >one of my daughters a rope for Christmas and tied her in her chair with it
> >when she insisted on nosing my attic. I certainly put a stop to HER natural
> >curiosity.
Tell me, was that the year she got the vibrator in her stocking as well?
What do you mean this isn't alt.torture?
Of course now, dear daughter insists her boyfriends/husband
tie her up and that they only do it in the attic...
>
>
> Gee and it is a wonder why patricide is so underrated in the instances of
> parents like you. Tell me, Is your daughter seeking counseling now?
> Laura----- Mother to Melyssa {age 4} and David Alexander due March 1 1999
Nah, just posting pics to Alt.sex.bondage.
Angel, in a kinky mood.
(Buffy was _too_ erotic tonight.
Willow, Angel, matches, leather, voyeurism, Cordie and Xander
etc.)
Lisa Edwards
this IS an evil person.. tying her child to a chair!! Unreal.
BTW- I am singing ALL the christmas songs to my 15 month old twins- I am
putting up lights and trees, I AM buying them more than two gifts each-
And most IMPORTANTLY_
I DO pray for them every night and encourage them to pray before meals,
I WILL teach them About Jesus and to respect others beliefs. That the
key word- RESPECT. Mother Hicks is an offense to motherhood because of
the fact that she simply dosen't have respect for others.
Jennifer Hasenknopf
let's see here....a list of Christmas do's and dont's?..who asked you by the
way? why didn't you post this in some religious newsgroup? why a parenting
newsgroup?
>1) If you're a Christian, do celebrate Christmas. Decorate your house to
>welcome the Coming King to Earth. If you're not a Christian, don't
>celebrate Christmas.
Excuse me...don't tlel me what I should or should not do! I will celebrate
Christmas as a winter holiday a family tradition! DOn't tell me what I can
or cannot do!
You're free to celebrate the Norse Yule or the
>
>2) Christmas trees are OK, but make sure your decorations aren't too
>gaudy. Your home or office shouldn't look like a bar.
again WHO ASKED YOU?
Forgo (spelling mistake) the
>reindeer, the sleigh, the elves (including the "jolly old" elf Santa
Claus),
>the snowmen (especially the mechanical ones that move -- they're downright
>demonic), the Grinch (an anti-Jewish stereotype), the dollar signs, the
>milk maids, the harem girls, and Tiny Tim.
again...who asked you?
Soft pedal the tinsel and the
>blinking lights in favor of a brightly lit creche, a stable, fresh straw,
>camels, horses, sheep, shepherds, wise men, gold, frankincense, myrrh,
>Joseph and Mary (as long as they're not too idolatrous -- Mary shouldn't be
>weeping or holding her arms out to starving Third World children -- the
>Star of Bethlehem, and angelic choirs. Bells are fine -- they announce
>the Coming of the King. Colored orbs are out -- they're pagan. A
>plaster figurine of King Herod that the kids can throw rocks at is
>optional. A spinning reindeer is utterly abominable.
>
>3) Do put candles, whether real or electric, in the window to show that
>the Light is still shining through the cold darkness that is ruled by
>Satan. It offers hope to wanderers in sin.
I personally love candles for other reasons to my own choosing....
>4) Don't spoil your children and loved ones with presents. One or two
>per person will suffice, and shouldn't cost you an arm and a leg.
I agree that children shouldn't be spoiled to the point where parents get
into fist fights in the dept. stores over certaintoys on sale for their
children.
>Don't go into debt at Christmastime. Believers are indebted to God,
>not to mortal man. Remember the needy at Christmastime, and the Holy
>Churches like mine that reach out to the downtrodden and dispossessed.
>
I wouldn't support your church, sorry! I believe that people can be helped
in other ways...you're too much of a scary person to help the dispossessed.
Invite a family of homeless derelicts to your home to sit down and sup
>with you and yours, and at dinner discuss with them ways in which they
>might stop burdening society with their begging and become useful
>citizens.
yeah right. as if.
Be sure to count the silverware before AND after they leave,
>and of course not to display your wealth to them openly, lest they covet
>it. A friend of mine picks hoboes and bag ladies off the streets in
>Atlanta right before Christmas, blindfolds them, and drives them to his
>rich cousin's cabin in the Smoky Mountains, where they sometimes spend
>the weekend helping with the cooking, cleaning, and woodcutting.
IF your friend were a true "disciple" why would she blindfold her hobo/bag
lady guests? Shouldn't she be non -judgemental and praise them with love? I
mean if you're going to go to the extent of inviting them into your home so
that yo ucan show off your love presence and how special you are...why
blindfold them?
Just be
>sure not to open your doors to illegal immigrants. If you want to help
>them, buy them a one-way ticket back home.
you are sure f*cked in the head aren;t you? LOL
>5) Don't try to buy friendship or love with jewelry or other luxuries.
>Anyone who can be bought with gifts is not worth having in your life.
I agree with this statement!>
>>7) Rid your house of any alcoholic beverages before Christmas in
>preparation for your New Year's resolution never to touch a drop of the
>stuff again. The Bible tells us "strong drink is raging" (Proverbs
>20:1), and it is disrespectful to celebrate the Birth of Our Lord with
>the devil's potion. That means no rum balls or spiked punch. God does
>not want drinking children in Heaven.
>
I guess the body of blood (holy wine) doesn't count huh?
HIPPOCRITE!
8) Don't lie to your children about where their presents come from.
>Santa Claus is an agent of the devil who teaches children that they can
>buy their way into Heaven by doing good works.
LOL..didn't know you believed in Santa Clause ..Hickey!!LOL
That is not the Gospel of
>Our Lord. Tell your children openly and out loud that department store
>and mall "Santas" are fake.
"Department store and mall Santa's are fake!"
(like that?)
>
>9) If your children misbehave during the year, do buy them a new,
>bigger paddle or other such corrective gift for Christmas.
excuse me...you are a child abuser! Maybe if you didn't spend so much time
blabbing your big mouth..and shoving religious crap down people's
throats.you wouldn't need to resort to such an unloving method of
"discipline"...
I once bought
>one of my daughters a rope for Christmas and tied her in her chair with it
>when she insisted on nosing my attic.
if you started preaching love instead of judgement and hate...people,
including your children might listen to you more, and your children wouldn't
need to be tied down with rope!! that is complete CHILD ABUSE!
>10) Go Christmas caroling. Witness to your friends and neighbors and
>show them what your Love for Christ Jesus has done for you.
People know what the love for Christ has done to my family! My older sister
committed suicide because of relgious freaks!! SO you want me to go out and
preach that to people, and remind people again and again about that? I
think not!
Hand out
>Gospel tracts that teach that Judgment Day is coming very soon and that
>we must all be prepared for the Crack of Doom.
you mean like "Watchtower" ? LOL
Ask your hosts and
>hostesses if they know where they'll spend eternity should they die
>tonight and remind them that the tortures and torments of hell are ETERNAL.
>
>
I guess you're heading to hell then too eh?...no thanks..I wouldn't want
them to think they'll be in hell with you for the rest of eternity!*S*
11) "Frosty the Snowman" and "Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer" are NOT
>Christmas carols. They're nonsense songs that probably offend Jesus'
>ears.
WEell...get Jesus a pair of earplugs then!!LOL..and get you a mouth trap to
keep your trap shut at the same time!!LOL
>
>12) Don't forget your local Church and its pastor and her family, keeping
in
>mind how much they've done for you during the previous year, and how much
>grief they suffer preaching the Word to a lost and wicked world.
>
oh yeah...I should thank the local pastor for preaching to my sister and
laying all tihs guilt into her for her to die right?....yeah whatever..
>13) Make sure your house is immaculately clean during the Christmas Season
>and invite family and friends over to see how much God has blessed you.
Just wondering..do you hide the rope that you tie your children down with
during this time? oh boy..the House of Hickey....
>Take this time to donate any unwanted goods -- or toys you can't give the
>kids because they've been bad -- to your favorite charity. If you decide a
>child doesn't deserve a particular gift you've bought for him and decide
>to give it to someone else, make sure the child knows what he's not
>getting, so he'll know better than to misbehave next time.
>
I think oyu should spend more time with your kids..and close your legs so
you won't produce anymore...that way no more of your children will be abused
by you! YOu are a child abuser!
>15) Have a Christmas feast. Spare no trouble in creating a meal everyone
>will remember for months. Serve duck, chicken, or beef, or even all
>three, but not ham. (Turkey is OK, but properly reserved for
>Thanksgiving.) God doesn't want us to eat pork.
Wha tif you live in Australia where it's hot and you feel like salads and a
barbecue? DUH!
>
>16) Read the Christmas story from the Bible, emphasizing the Slaughter of
>the Innocents so as to remind your children how many millions have
>suffered and died for their Faith. All that Charles Dickens
>stuff is OK, but unless kids know the Reason for the Season, the Real
>Meaning of Christmas is lost on them.
>
yeah whatever
>
>Jesus Loves ALL of You, My Children,
>Sinner or Saint,
Child abuser (you) or loving parent (me)
>And He Wants You to Celebrate and Rejoice on HIS Birthday (when is his
birthday)
>
>
>Reverend Mother Henrietta Hickey (who ties her children down with rope and
buys them paddles for Christmas, to inflict pain on them...aka .Child
Abuser)
Jeff & Traci De
>
> Angel here
>
> Chrystynna wrote:
>
> > >That means no rum balls or spiked punch. No we won't have any. I think you've
> > eaten them all.
>
> I forgot to make any. Guess I'll just drink it from the bottle.
>
> > >bigger paddle
>
> That and a carry all for his bondage toys...
> (Green canvas, rolls up from both ends,
> his intalgio in black.)
>
> DH is getting his girlfriend a new collar.
> My boyfriend is getting his fiance about three piercings.
>
> 8) 8) 8P 8)
>
> > >one of my daughters a rope for Christmas and tied her in her chair with it
> > >when she insisted on nosing my attic. I certainly put a stop to HER natural
> > >curiosity.
>
> What do you mean this isn't alt.torture?
>
> Of course now, dear daughter insists her boyfriends/husband
> tie her up and that they only do it in the attic...
>
> >
> >
> > Gee and it is a wonder why patricide is so underrated in the instances of
> > parents like you. Tell me, Is your daughter seeking counseling now?
> > Laura----- Mother to Melyssa {age 4} and David Alexander due March 1 1999
>
> Nah, just posting pics to Alt.sex.bondage.
>
> Angel, in a kinky mood.
> (Buffy was _too_ erotic tonight.
> Willow, Angel, matches, leather, voyeurism, Cordie and Xander
> etc.)
I certainly will second THAT emotion. And boy am I glad I taped it.
I can watch it again!!!
Chrystynna
Hickey.
Chrystynna
eaten them all.
>If your children misbehave during the year, do buy them a new,
>bigger paddle
>I once bought
>one of my daughters a rope for Christmas and tied her in her chair with it
>when she insisted on nosing my attic. I certainly put a stop to HER natural
>curiosity.
Gee and it is a wonder why patricide is so underrated in the instances of
parents like you. Tell me, Is your daughter seeking counseling now?
jana...@my-dejanews.com
gestapo, etc.
Check her profile on Dejanews. She's busy and creates quite a stir.
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. . . I AM buying them more than two gifts each . . .
==========
As I have filtered our sweet, sweet Mother, I haven't had the opportunity
(nor am I going to take the opportunity!) to read the original post.
I am curious though -- DH and I give the girls three gifts each (it gives
us an opportunity to explain how the baby Jesus received three gifts from
the Wise Men, and also works well with the Santa thing -- i.e.; one from
Mommy, one from Daddy, one from Santa). How do others determine how many
gifts they give to their kids at Christmas time?
Mary
mother to Lili (5-3-95), Jenny (9-21-97), and ???, (2/14/99)
Glenn Kuntz
> Lisa Edwards wrote:
> . . . I AM buying them more than two gifts each . . .
>
> ==========
>
> I am curious though -- DH and I give the girls three gifts each (it gives
> us an opportunity to explain how the baby Jesus received three gifts from
> the Wise Men, and also works well with the Santa thing -- i.e.; one from
> Mommy, one from Daddy, one from Santa). How do others determine how many
> gifts they give to their kids at Christmas time?
>
> Mary
> mother to Lili (5-3-95), Jenny (9-21-97), and ???, (2/14/99)
Whatever works for you & your family is best. In my experience we never
thought of it in terms of either numbers or (specific) dollar amounts. Some
years there would be one large gift for some individual (or sometimes even
one large gift for the entire family) - other years there might be many small
gifts, and anywhere in between.
It's about giving, not how much/how many you get, right? ;-)
--
The CROKINOLE Board
http://www.frontiernet.net/~crokinol
Turner
>few helpful hints that are guaranteed to make your Christmas bright.
>9) If your children misbehave during the year, do buy them a new,
>bigger paddle or other such corrective gift for Christmas. I once bought
>one of my daughters a rope for Christmas and tied her in her chair with it
>when she insisted on nosing my attic. I certainly put a stop to HER
natural
>curiosity.
Oh, Queen of Parenthood, Oh, Learned One,
What, pray tell, were you hiding in your attic?
Something sordid? A skeleton, perhaps?
Instead of resorting to CHILD ABUSE,
why didn't you simply place a padlock on the door?
Why didn't you pay closer attention to your child's activities?
Why didn't you play with her, read to her, or otherwise
divert her "natural curiosity"????
Rose
proud mommy of William 6Aug97
Jennifer Hasenknopf
For some reason, I am beginning to think that Mother Hickey is some mentally
ill person who hallucinates her religious crap? I can't believe that someone
actually really exists like this, and believes in what she believes, as well
as abuses her child.
Maybe a mentally ill newsgroup would suit her better. I thought about this
particular post of hers regarding Christmas do's and don'ts..and it really
made me think
either
1) she is mentally ill (schizophrenic) and is hallucinating (some mentally
ill people hallucinate about being such a Christian, and often repeat stuff
about the end of time coming)
2) she is taking us all for a ride, and is just posting all this crap and is
laughing really hard
I am not sure which one of the above she fits in!!
*s*
Jennifer
>
>
kaa...@my-dejanews.com
I think it is great that you limit it to three gifts. I wish we had started
things that way, but in the excitement of having our first child 9 years ago,
we went overboard and started something that we don't know how to stop.
I had read in an interview with Kathy Lee Gifford that they only give their
kids 3 gifts just like Jesus got at his birth. I wish I had heard this BEFORE
our first one was born. It is hard to switch over now that we have 3 and they
all still believe in Santa. I am hoping that when they all get passed this
stage, we can explain why they will only be getting 3 gifts on future
Christmases.
In article <43xb2.229$yF.3...@news.abs.net>,
"Mary Samios" <jsamio...@bpcl.net> wrote:
> Lisa Edwards wrote:
> . . . I AM buying them more than two gifts each . . .
>
> ==========
> As I have filtered our sweet, sweet Mother, I haven't had the opportunity
> (nor am I going to take the opportunity!) to read the original post.
>
> I am curious though -- DH and I give the girls three gifts each (it gives
> us an opportunity to explain how the baby Jesus received three gifts from
> the Wise Men, and also works well with the Santa thing -- i.e.; one from
> Mommy, one from Daddy, one from Santa). How do others determine how many
> gifts they give to their kids at Christmas time?
>
> Mary
> mother to Lili (5-3-95), Jenny (9-21-97), and ???, (2/14/99)
>
>
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Ron J Low
From the mind of Hickey:
>Forgo the ... Grinch (an anti-Jewish stereotype)
What the .. huh?
- Ron Low
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Ron J Low
From the mind of Hickey:
>I once bought one of my daughters a rope for Christmas and tied her in her
chair with it when she insisted on nosing [in] my attic. I certainly put a
stop to HER natural curiosity. <
Killed her curiousity, did you? Praise the lord!
I'll bet she grew up to be a scientist.
T. Robinson
and fruit in their stockings because we haven't been able to afford more,
nor do we think that they need lots of presents to make Christmas a
meaningful time. We focus on Christ's birth and give them the gift of our
undivided time and attention by spending lots of time as a family, at least
some of that time we try to spend serving others. Our kids, wonder or
wonders, still LOVE Christmas.
TR
Mary Samios wrote in message <43xb2.229$yF.3...@news.abs.net>...
Jill Hamilton
Hickey? Satan? ONE IN THE SAME????
Turner wrote in message <74m94i$abj$0...@207.127.211.31>...
>
>Mother Henrietta Hickey wrote in message <74ig2m$d6p$1...@nnrp1.crl.com>...
>>Merry Christmas to ALL of you from Mother Hickey. The following are a
>>few helpful hints that are guaranteed to make your Christmas bright.
><blah, blah, blah, SNIP!>
>
>>9) If your children misbehave during the year, do buy them a new,
>>bigger paddle or other such corrective gift for Christmas. I once bought
>>one of my daughters a rope for Christmas and tied her in her chair with it
>>when she insisted on nosing my attic. I certainly put a stop to HER
>natural
>>curiosity.
>
Becky Blanchard
I am ROTFL at your post in responce to this wacked-out old biddy's
crap about what to do about x-mas. I have had enough of her off-the-wall
nonsense. I would dearly love to see her locked up in a nuthouse and
throw away the key. She has made me totlaly hate relgion, although I do
belive in God and enjoy the posts from the other posters when they
discuss their faith and Christianity.
Becky
http://pages.ivillage.com/misc/becky34
http://pages.ivillage.com/misc/becky34/pizza.html
Jennifer Hasenknopf
I know what you are saying! That's why I think these people are maybe
mentally ill...they are definitely not withit upstairs at alL!
Jenifer
Jennifer Hasenknopf
After what you noticed..I would be even more willing to bet that she is
mentally ill and/or taking us all for a ride...
erikc wrote in message <366f2d44....@news.insync.net>...
>On 8 Dec 1998 06:13:42 GMT
>Mother Henrietta Hickey <penici...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>-- origin: alt.parenting.solutions:
>
>[===]
>
>>|Reverend Mother Henrietta Hickey
>>|First Universal Christian Kingdom
>
>F.U.C.K.? Interesting church name. I wonder what your sacraments
>are.
>
>>|Dallas, Texas
>
>
>
>Erikc (alt.atheist #002) | "An Fhirinne in aghaidh an tSaoil."
> | "The Truth against the World."
> | -- Bardic Motto
>If we don't believe in freedom of expression for
>people we despise, we don't believe in it at all.
> ---- Noam Chomsky
erikc
>|like they need a little mental exercise.
>| I believe we've gone over this ground before. What proof do you
>|have that Jesus was NOT born on December 25? Whatever it is, it's
>|probably the work of the devil geared to stir up evil DOUBTS in people's
>|minds.
>|
>|
>|Mother Hickey of Dallas -|-
>|Jesus' Secret Agent |
What proof do you have that this Jesus character even existed? Oh,
and by the way,since you assert that you are a jew, why do you
celebrate the christmas. IIRC, jews do not believe that the messiah
has arrived yet.
erikc
Leah Adezio <slad...@nac.net> wrote:
-- origin: alt.parenting.solutions:
A very mentally disturbed troll.
erikc
Tarkaan <osi...@net-link.net> wrote:
-- origin: alt.parenting.solutions:
>|Mother Henrietta Hickey wrote:
>|>
>|> Well, Brian, I like to keep people guessing, especially when they seem
>|> like they need a little mental exercise.
>|> I believe we've gone over this ground before. What proof do you
>|> have that Jesus was NOT born on December 25? Whatever it is, it's
>|> probably the work of the devil geared to stir up evil DOUBTS in people's
>|> minds.
>|
>|Because that's the time all the pagans started praying for spring to
>|come. When Xianity spread, they started converting people by simply
>|making their festivals better than the pagan ones. Since they actually
>|had church money, that wasn't difficult. Christians set the birth of
>|Christ on the same day as the pagan festival for a reason.
>|
>|I thought everyone knew that story.
But 'denial is a long river' ;-)
erikc
[===]
>|Reverend Mother Henrietta Hickey
>|First Universal Christian Kingdom
F.U.C.K.? Interesting church name. I wonder what your sacraments
are.
>|Dallas, Texas
Erikc (alt.atheist #002) | "An Fhirinne in aghaidh an tSaoil."
erikc
"Jennifer Hasenknopf" <jenn...@accglobal.net> wrote:
-- origin: alt.parenting.solutions:
The answer is.....<drum roll>......."YES! Both of the above."
If you think Hickey's weird, try visiting:
http://www.teleport.com/~salad/4god/
and read for yourself. If I tried to describe to you what this guy
believes in (and has posted on his web page), you'd say I was making
it all up.
Come to think of it, I think those two should get together. ;-)
>|*s*
>|Jennifer
erikc
Wildhe...@webtv.net (Lisa Edwards) wrote:
-- origin: alt.parenting.solutions:
Let's ask the important question: Does "mother hickey" even *have*
kids, and if so, why haven't the authorities taken them away from her?
Or did they grow up and get gone before domestic abuse became an
issue?
Lisa A. Hye
church called Second United Christian Kingdom. S.U.C.K And you thought it
couldn't get any funnier. HeeHee :)
Lisa
Mom to Kelsey (2 1/2)
erikc wrote in message
Angel Sparrow
Angel again
Becky Blanchard wrote:
> I have had enough of her off-the-wall
> nonsense. I would dearly love to see her locked up in a nuthouse and
> throw away the key.
Preferably on a heavy dose of risperidone
> She has made me totlaly hate relgion, although I do
> belive in God and enjoy the posts from the other posters when they
> discuss their faith and Christianity.
Please read _Stealing Jesus: How Fundamentalism Betrays Christianity_
Religion is evil. It is a man-made construct and cannot compass
the Divine. Faith is something else again. Faith coems to man
from the Divine, and gives us hope.
Too many people stifle faith with regulations. Which is_EXACTLY_
what Jesus was against. He saw the old ways were
strangling faith in The Living God, and called for a liberation from the
Laws of Moses.
Give the book a try (keep a salt shaker close, much of it needs a grain of
salt)
and drop me an e-mail if you want to talk.
Angel
Angel Sparrow
erikc wrote:
> On 8 Dec 1998 06:13:42 GMT
> Mother Henrietta Hickey <penici...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> -- origin: alt.parenting.solutions:
>
> [===]
>
> >|Reverend Mother Henrietta Hickey
> >|First Universal Christian Kingdom
>
> F.U.C.K.? Interesting church name. I wonder what your sacraments
> are.
If ya gotta ask....
8)
We noticed this weeks ago, and have been speculating...
Perhaps they start with a reading from Canticles:
"My beloved has gone down to the gardens,
to the valley of spices.
He has gone down to feed in the garden
and gather lilies"
followed by a re-enactment of this.
Then they read
"The roof of my mouth shall be as
the best wine for my beloved,
that goes down sweetly and
makes the sleeper speak."
and work from that.
Then, for the finale,
"His right arm is under me and his left arm embraces
me."
Angel, big fan of Solomon
Tammy
Jesus Is The Reason For The Season!!
penic...@my-dejanews.com
hang her out the window. I told my Tisha not to go up in the attic because
she could make a mess. She willfully went ahead and did what the devil told
her to do: disobey me. So I gave her Christmas present to charity and tied
her in the chair while the rest of the family opened their presents. It
served her right, and she is happy for the loving discipline I showered on
her when she was a child. My baby became a nurse, thank you. I think one
Christmas present per child is sufficient as long as you're putting a roof
over her head and feeding her three meals a day. Said gift should cost no
more than twenty dollars. Some of you spend money as if it were water. What
about the starving children in our inner cities? What about old people who
have been abandoned by their freewheeling children? What about needy
Churches in South Dallas like mine that need your support? E-mail me for
details about where to send your freewill love offerings to help support my
needy Ministry. Ignore my advice at your own risk!
Mother Hickey of Dallas
ty...@my-dejanews.com
Glenn Kuntz <crok...@frontiernet.net> wrote:
> Mary Samios wrote:
>
> > Lisa Edwards wrote:
> > . . . I AM buying them more than two gifts each . . .
> >
> > ==========
> >
> > us an opportunity to explain how the baby Jesus received three gifts from
> > the Wise Men, and also works well with the Santa thing -- i.e.; one from
> > Mommy, one from Daddy, one from Santa). How do others determine how many
> > gifts they give to their kids at Christmas time?
> >
> > Mary
> > mother to Lili (5-3-95), Jenny (9-21-97), and ???, (2/14/99)
>
> thought of it in terms of either numbers or (specific) dollar amounts. Some
> years there would be one large gift for some individual (or sometimes even
> one large gift for the entire family) - other years there might be many small
> gifts, and anywhere in between.
>
> It's about giving, not how much/how many you get, right? ;-)
>
> --
> The CROKINOLE Board
> http://www.frontiernet.net/~crokinol
>
>
That is how it was when I was little. My parents never set a certain amount
or number of gifts. My daughter is now 4 months old and my husband and I
believe that we buy what we want and spend what we want. A friend of mine
sets a dollar limit on what they are willing to spend. Not what they can
afford, but simply what they are willing to spend. This year it is $50 and
their daughter will be 17 months old at Christmas. She is going to have 2-3
toys. I always had great Christmases and intend to do the same for my
daughter. I think that you give what you can afford and give what they want.
Have a great Christmas. Bonnie
penic...@my-dejanews.com
are in the Hebrew alphabet tell me how to pronounce my native language? I
don't think so. As Alexander Pope said, "A little learning is a dangerous
thing..." First, the word "brith" appears as such in the Random House
College Dictionary. It is also used in the King James Version of the Holy
Bible, from which I preach and teach in my Holy Church. "Bris" is the
Ashkenazic pronunciation, "brit" the Sephardic (and Modern Israeli)
pronunciation. It means literally "covenant." The second component "milah"
(literally "circumcision") clarifies the sense and is seldom used alone
because it also means "word." "The Jewish Book of Why" says that someone who
is born Jewish remains so even if he or she converts to Christianity.
Therefore I am both a Jew and a Chrustian. I'm sorry if that fact doesn't
fit into your limited scheme of reality, Leah. Perhaps you should consider
enlarging it. Brithoth (britot in Sephardic/Israeli Hebrew; brisos in
Ashkenazic Hebrew and Yiddish) are indeed traditionally performed by mohels.
In my Church I do most of the Circumcisions. I advocate full the equality of
men and women, and want girls to grow up to despise the foreskin, should they
be so unfortunate as to lay eyes on one. Finally, Leah, I think it's high
time you moved into the twentieth century. There are at least 75,000 Black
Messianic Jews in the United States alone. Add to that some 20,000 Jews for
Jesus (with whom I certainly don't see eye to eye: I don't teach that Jews
"must" accept Jesus Christ as their Goel or Redeemer). If you're offended
that I am Jewish, take your problem up with King Solomon. If it weren't for
his marriage to the Queen of Sheba, there might be no Black jews today.
Doesn't it hurt to be such a racist in 1998, dear? I'm sorry you consider me
a troll. I'm only trying to help you. As I've said before, no one is
twisting your arm to make you read my sermonettes, or to make you react to
them. Perhaps Jesus is speaking to your heart and trying to tell you
something about Himself. Give it some thought the next time you daven -- if
indeed you still do.
Mother Hickey of Dallas,
Jesus' Special Friend
Darryl L. Pierce
<vala...@hotmail.com> wrote:
;Please read _Stealing Jesus: How Fundamentalism Betrays Christianity_
I saw that one at Borders a few days ago. How is it?
Mise le meas,
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Turner
penic...@my-dejanews.com wrote in message
<74qgat$usc$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
> What is the least bit abusive about tying a nosy kid in a chair? I
didn't
>hang her out the window. I told my Tisha not to go up in the attic because
>she could make a mess.
Henrietta,
For the most part, I have refrained from responding to your outrageous
posts. But God has instructed me to take action now. Step down from your
ivory tower of false righteousness, humble yourself, get down upon your
knees, and pray. Pray for the understanding that tying up a child is ABUSE
of God's most precious gift. You claim to operate a hardware store in an
impoverished area. Surely you had padlocks in stock. Why didn't you simply
lock the entrance to the attic?
Pray for forgiveness for such a cruel and selfish act of tying up a child of
God. Pray also, for forgiveness because you beat your children on a daily
basis with a paddle at such an early age. Pray that your children will
forgive you, and will care for you in your old age.
I have long wondered why you have made such outrageous postings. I now
realize that they have been a cry for help and for forgiveness. You abused
your children. Pray, Henrietta, Pray.
Jesus loves you too,
child abuser that you were.
Angel Sparrow
"Darryl L. Pierce" wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Dec 1998 07:09:39 -0600, Angel Sparrow
> <vala...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> ;Please read _Stealing Jesus: How Fundamentalism Betrays Christianity_
>
> I saw that one at Borders a few days ago. How is it?
> Mise le meas,
OK, here's my opinion:
Mixed review.
Some is dead on target. It pinpoints exactly what is wrong
with legalistic churches, and expresses what they should be.
It explains why people get into legalism, and how mainstream
churches are failing their people (they fail to address
the problem of evil is the biggie). And the historical stuff is terrific.
I found the refutal of premillinnial dispensationalism to be liberating beyond
belief.
Some of it is off the wall. I still believe in personified
evil in the form of Lucifiel and the Fallen Ones. I don't
think one can start to pick which parts of the Instruction Manual
one is going to sue, and discard those one doesn't like.
And some people need miracles to sugar coat the theology. Who is he to say
they cannot have them?
I also find he proof-texts and stereotypes with the same vigor
as many of those he lambastes.
Some of it is dead wrong. This is an east-coast, intellectual
gay sitting in judgement on a movement in the south and midwest.
A movement that is opposed to everything he is. That would be
like asking Louis Farrakhan to write a book about the B'nai Brith.
This is a man who has never gotten past not being invited to his friends'
bar mitzvahs. He has never grown past wondering why
the Catholic boys play baseball with him on Saturday then
gleefully tell him he's hell-bound after Mass on Sunday.
(I see it as childish superiority play, he makes it a core point)
And he calls _Godspell_ and _Jesus Christ Superstar_
banal. (you don't mess with my musicals!) I personally
like biblical epics, and he loathes them, and thinks everyone
should. he can be as docrtirnaire as those he criticizes.
It is fascinating, angry-making frustrating and liberating.
I like his Jesus better than the one I was raised with,
but like so many, he fails to address the problem of evil,
esp. outside evil (as opposed to inside evil, that comes from within
humainty). As a former devotee of Asomodeus, Lord of Lust,
I find his blanket assertion that demons do not exist to be
cheerful and short-sighted.
Angel, who will not state conclusively that anything does not exist
(even Invisible Pink Unicorns)
Angel Sparrow
feeling like a cheapskate
ty...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> This year it is $50 and
> their daughter will be 17 months old at Christmas. She is going to have 2-3
> toys. I always had great Christmases and intend to do the same for my
> daughter. I think that you give what you can afford and give what they want.
> Have a great Christmas. Bonnie
I plan to spend about $25 per child. That does mean my daughter
will not be getting a My Size Barbie.
They will however get plenty of gifts:
the Baby is getting board books, a ball and
a FP car.
#1 Son is getting some software and some Hot Wheels
DD is getting a Barbie, a hula hoop and some perfume.
They are all getting a copy of Peter Pan, and maybe The Black Cauldron.
They are also getting Legos and software from Grandpa
an easal and art supplies from an uncle
Toys from my sister
clothes and goodies from my mother
and whatever we buy them from the other 3 grandmas
I think they will get plenty,
and no need to spend a huge amount.
My husband and I are spending $15 on most other people,
and $10 on each other, so it is consistant with our patterns.
Angel, skinflint
Angel Sparrow
Tammy wrote:
> Jesus Is The Reason For The Season!!
yes, dear, for you, He is.
But every group has a midwinter celebration of
lights, feasting and hope.
From the Black Book of Ioseph of Locksley
"God Rest ye Unitarians,
let nothing you dismay.
Remember that there is no proof for a Christmas day.
We only celebrate because the season is so grey.
oh tidings of reason and fact, reason and fact
Oh tidings of reason and fact."
December without Christmas would be bad old February.
And while I'm not sure how much of the
Nativity narratives I believe, I do know that
Someone very special is having a birthday and I
want to celebrate it.
Angel (hunting her latke and Lucia buns recipes)
Davidson
>
> Angel here,
> feeling like a cheapskate
>
> ty...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
> > This year it is $50 and
> > their daughter will be 17 months old at Christmas. She is going to have 2-3
> > toys. I always had great Christmases and intend to do the same for my
> > daughter. I think that you give what you can afford and give what they want.
> > Have a great Christmas. Bonnie
>
> I plan to spend about $25 per child. That does mean my daughter
> will not be getting a My Size Barbie.
>
> Angel, skinflint
Are we the only family in the world that thinks it is okay to give gifts
from thrift shops? We've always mixed thrift and new, useful (ie new
socks) with fun (toy type) gifts. Every year our family has an informal
contest to see who can get the nicest, cheapest gift at a thrift shop.
We have plenty of money - this is not a poverty-induced tradition - but
our whole family is into getting value for their dollars (come to think
of it, maybe that is why we have plenty of money and few debts)
doc...@my-dejanews.com
just wanted to remind you that "The Black Cauldron" even though a Disney flick
is rated PG not G. (No I'm not preaching or looking for a flame war against
Disney, I happen to love Disney and have just about every cartoon movie they
have made)
Theresea
In article <36712B4F...@hotmail.com>,
vala...@hotmail.com wrote:
> Angel here,
> feeling like a cheapskate
>
> ty...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
> They are all getting a copy of Peter Pan, and maybe The Black Cauldron.
>
-----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------
Jennifer Hasenknopf
MOther Hickey!
Jesus loves EVEN you!! The child abuser that you are!!
Jason & Faye
with an *outdoor theme* They had NOTHING, I mean nothing, to play with
outside. And we got them some "dressy" clothes [3 outfits a piece (this
something that they don't have much of; so its hard when it comes to having
pictures made, or when we go somewhere nice)].
--
To reply: It's one word and all lower case letters.
Angel Sparrow wrote in message <36712B4F...@hotmail.com>...
>Angel here,
>feeling like a cheapskate
>
>ty...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
>> This year it is $50 and
>> their daughter will be 17 months old at Christmas. She is going to have
2-3
>> toys. I always had great Christmases and intend to do the same for my
>> daughter. I think that you give what you can afford and give what they
want.
>> Have a great Christmas. Bonnie
>
>I plan to spend about $25 per child. That does mean my daughter
>will not be getting a My Size Barbie.
>
>They will however get plenty of gifts:
>the Baby is getting board books, a ball and
>a FP car.
>#1 Son is getting some software and some Hot Wheels
>DD is getting a Barbie, a hula hoop and some perfume.
>They are all getting a copy of Peter Pan, and maybe The Black Cauldron.
>
Angel Sparrow
doc...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> I don't know how old your kids are or how well they do with violence, but I
> just wanted to remind you that "The Black Cauldron" even though a Disney flick
> is rated PG not G
Yes. I know. Anything with a lich as the main villain
is going to be a little scarier than 101 Dalmations.
But my kids are 6, 3, and 1, and the 6 has already read
_the Book of Three_ and is starting _The Black Cauldron_
(I have all 5)
These kids have seen Jurrassic Park and Batman & Robin.
(Won't let them see _Devil's Advocate_ for about 12 years tho')
And they do understand that pretend violence is pretend, that
real swords are dangerous (we're SCA folk) and
that real violence hurts.
Angel, who doesn't adore Disney, preferring Bluth
> . (No I'm not preaching or looking for a flame war against
> Disney, I happen to love Disney and have just about every cartoon movie they
> have made)
>
> Theresea
>
> In article <36712B4F...@hotmail.com>,
> vala...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > Angel here,
> > feeling like a cheapskate
> >
> > ty...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> >
> > They are all getting a copy of Peter Pan, and maybe The Black Cauldron.
> >
>
Sandy
of Mother Hickey! LMAO
Sandy
Mother to Kevin, 6; Bryan, 3 and Jesse 9 months
MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL!
Becky Blanchard
<snipped a bunch of crap>
> What about needy Churches in South Dallas
> like mine that need your support? E-mail me
> for details about where to send your freewill
> love offerings to help support my needy
> Ministry. Ignore my advice at your own risk!
Lady, the day I send you one red cent of my money to help you continue
your insane preaching will be the day hell freezes over and takes you
with it.
Becky
http://pages.ivillage.com/misc/becky34
http://pages.ivillage.com/misc/becky34/pizza.html
cd...@webtv.net
You're either a mental patient who has escaped an
institute and you've been off your medication for awhile or you're a
sociopath who gets a kick out of annoying everyone. Why don't you tell
the truth about where you live? You are not from Dallas, Texas, as you
claim to be. Last I checked, Dallas is only one hour ahead from were I
live, not 7. Admit it, you don't even live in the US, you big, fat liar.
Mother Henrietta Hickey of Dallas, Texas, you don't even exist. Get a
life!!!!!!
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> details about where to send your freewill love offerings to help support my
> needy Ministry. Ignore my advice at your own risk!
You're needy all right, but it isn't for money.
erikc
kaa...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
-- origin: alt.parenting.solutions:
>|? E-mail me for
>|> details about where to send your freewill love offerings to help support my
>|> needy Ministry. Ignore my advice at your own risk!
>|
>|You're needy all right, but it isn't for money.
Attention, maybe? Maybe she wanted to be on "Jerry Springer" but got
turned down for being *too* weird. ;-)
Darryl L. Pierce
;What about the starving children in our inner cities?
Why don't you go beat them so they'll be grateful? What a wonderful
present that would be, to make them see their sinful natures, which is
why they're starving...
;What about old people who have been abandoned by their freewheeling children?
Sounds like your god is just punishing them for being dirty, filthy
sinners all their lives...