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Kevin Moore

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Sep 16, 2001, 2:24:04 PM9/16/01
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I'm at my wits end and need some advice.....my wife and I have been trying
to potty train my daughter who is 2 and a half.

We have been trying off and on since she was 18mos.

Here's what we have tried so far:

1. various reward incentives starting with a calendar and stars for a
successful attempt, and ending up with gummie bears or a sucker for sitting.

2.we have a multi use potty that will work as a stand alone and convert into
a snap on for the toilet. we tried with the potty everywhere in the house
to dedicating the downstairs washroom as her own personal bathroom.

3. we bought "big girl" pants and now have her wearing them instead of
diapers during the day. We have tried a schedule of when she sits and tried
putting her on the potty when mommy or daddy is going.


A little bit of background.....we are not overbearing...many times before we
have taken a break from potty training because it seemed as if we were doing
more harm than good. She understands what the potty is for and has seenother
children use one but resits using it herself. My wife is a stay at home
mother so she can dedicate a lot of time to training. This attempt beagn 2
weeks ago an we have no significant progress other than she doesnt urinate
until afternoon ( which we feel is a development in bladder control?)


ideas anyone?


Nan =^..^=

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Sep 16, 2001, 2:46:57 PM9/16/01
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"Kevin Moore" <jourda...@home.com> wrote in message
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Personally, I think you should abandon the whole idea for a while longer.
You started at 18 months, and that is way too young, imo. She clearly isn't
ready, and you've been trying for a year, off and on. She's not going to
train until *she's* ready to. Plain and simple.
My son was over 3 when he finally trained, and it was a matter of my
noticing he remained dry overnight for a week, we switched to "big boy"
pants, and he never had one single accident.
If you aren't seeing any progress in the two weeks you've started trying
again, she clearly isn't ready. And, imo, the more you try, the more
resistant she may become to it.
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Sophie

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Sep 16, 2001, 2:54:35 PM9/16/01
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Wait till she's older and says "I don't want diapers. I want underwear".
Trust me, I never expected to have a kid *so old* still in diapers but my
daughter wasn't ready till she was 2.10 yrs old. Personally I don't see how
it'll happen if the child isn't ready. And when they're older it's quicker
and with less accidents.

Let's see, you've been *training* your daughter for a year now. Mine
decided *one day* that was it. Not saying we haven't had *any* accidents
but I think you need to wait.

JMO of course.

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Sophie
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pfoley6

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Sep 16, 2001, 4:06:15 AM9/16/01
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Stop worrying so much; she is very normal; she won't be ready until she is
three or three and a half years old.


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LisaBell

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Sep 18, 2001, 7:36:27 PM9/18/01
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It sounds like she is not ready. Potty training requires the child to
be willing to use the potty - if she doesn't want to, there is no way
you can make her and trying just makes her more resistant.

It is very much more usual these days for children not to train until
they are three or more. My daughter trained at 2.11 when she finally
decided she wanted to sit on the potty. Before that she wasn't
interested. Training was practically overnight and she had very few
accidents, so we didn't have to run around reminding her, or cleaning
up her mess.

I would say back off your daughter before you make her so sick of the
whole potty thing that she won't want to go near it until she's five.

--Lisabell

Richard Steven Walz

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Sep 19, 2001, 3:09:49 AM9/19/01
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Two and a half is WAAAY too young for some kids (let ALONE 18 months!!).

The process relies on the development of fine nervous control of the end
of the alimentary canal, which is the last thing to develop in
childhood. It is a matter of brain development and maturity and just a
backlog of sensory experience producing long term trained reflexes.

It cannot EVEN BE rushed, and the danger of traumatizing a child EVEN
WITH THE BEST OF INTENTIONS cannot BE understated!! It is like whistling
and wiggling your ears and rolling your tongue funny, kids CANNOT DO IT
till they CAN, and then it is automatic.

People who don't even TRY to train their kids have them typically stop
shitting in their diaper ON THEIR OWN by age 3.5 EVEN IF THEY LEAVE THEM
IN DIAPERS!

It is just as stupid and obnoxious as trying to teach kids to walk and
being pissed if they don't!!!
Steve


SusanL2052

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Sep 20, 2001, 2:49:38 PM9/20/01
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Kevin, please trust me when I say this..
My daughter will be three next month and I had felt so much pressure to get her
potty trained. Everyone I knew, including this newsgroup, told me to hand the
reins over to her and let her decide when it's time to use the potty. Eighteen
months is entirely too young to have started. Forget the peer pressure. I have
absolutely no respect for people who *show off* their kids when they have been
potty trained at 18 months or anytime around then.That doesn't prove a damned
thing, but the insecurity of the parent in having to use their own child to
attempt to make them look like a great parent. Your daughter will be all the
more *put together* as she grows up if you give her some control over some of
these things. Forget the potty training for a few months and then pick it up
again. But ask her if she would like to use it. If she says no, then don't make
her. Wait a week and ask her again. At some point, she will say yes and like
the others say here, it may only take one day.

This is what I did with my daughter ... I started asking her at 2 1/2,and every
time she said no, I felt more and more pressured. She was refusing all the
time. Finally people told me to just leave her alone so I did. About two weeks
ago, I asked her out of the blue if she'd like to sit on the potty and she said
yes, and every couple of hours, she agreed to go on the potty. Now, she is
telling me on her own when she needs to go and gets a big thrill out of being a
big girl. I feel ridiculous for having felt pressured to get her trained right
away. By the way, I know a little girl who is four years old and still in pull
ups because the parents have been at loose ends with her over the issue for a
couple of years now. You don't want it to get to that point. Let your daughter
enjoy her toddler years without the pressure of using the potty. Soon enough,
she will surprise the heck out of you by announcing she has to go and you will
wonder why it bothered you in the first place.

(By the way, your methods are very good, you might want to incorporate them
when she agrees to want to use the potty at a later time, just for positive
reinforcement.)

Susan

Kierah

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Sep 22, 2001, 10:23:13 PM9/22/01
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According to HeadStart it is quite normal for children to not be potty
trained until the age of 3. Last year out of a class of 20 children all 3
year olds. Only about 4 were potty trained including my son. I am in the
same situation as you. My daughter will be 2 next month.
She will sit on the potty but she will not go pee or poop in it! I am sure
my daughter will come around when she feels like it. It does the child no
good to pressure them into doing something they don't want to do.


Dana Bird

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Sep 29, 2001, 12:21:40 PM9/29/01
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> I'm at my wits end and need some advice.....my wife and I have been trying
> to potty train my daughter who is 2 and a half.
>
> We have been trying off and on since she was 18mos.

Obviously, your daughter is not ready yet. Give her time. My daughter
was almost 3 and a half before she was potty trained. Children have
minds of their own and we as parents must be able to respect them for
this.

Mark Mobius

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Sep 30, 2001, 3:09:23 PM9/30/01
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Dana Bird <thebir...@home.com> wrote in message news:<3BB5F52D...@home.com>...

A child development expert I know (my wife) with considerable
experience put it to me this way:

From birth onward, through weaning, walking, talking, children
experience less and less contact and intimate connection and
attention. PT is the ultimate, to the child, insult to this bond with
the caregiver. Now he or she can't even get some touch and attention
by pooping and peeing. Pretty sad.

On the light side, of course, she also pointed out to me that potty
training of her kids (and mine.....though they were two different sets
of kids...we married late in life) tended to be easier because we both
were attentive parents that gave a lot of cuddles and play with our
kids no matter what developmental stage they were at.

I checked it out.....and sure enough, the current thinking in books
and articles on the subject agree with her. If you give the child at
least the same amount of attention for going potty as you did during
diaper changes the job is much much easier and shorter. `Course that
kind of defeats one of our reasons for wanting our kids potty trained,
no?

So much for my 3 cents worth (well, don't blame me for inflation).

MM

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