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MnD

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Dec 18, 2000, 4:18:35 PM12/18/00
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Hi group,
We have recently been having a problem with one of our 20 month old twins.
The twins are male/female.
* of course it is the girl that is giving us problems : ) * The main problem
is that when the girl has a BM, she likes to take it out and use it as
finger paints or playdough. Since it is winter and cold, we have been
keeping her in a sleeper all day long. They are a little bit harder for her
to take off. So what did she do? She took off her brothers diaper.
*Groaning*
We have tried using diaper pins across the zipper or snaps, but she has
figured out how to take them off and I am afraid to continue using them for
the obvious reason. We have popped her hand, used very stern voices, and
all the usual stuff. Nothing is seeming to work. Has anyone else had this
problem? Or could you offer some advise it would be most appreciated.
Thanks
Mike and Darla

Tracey

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Dec 18, 2000, 4:37:03 PM12/18/00
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Have you considered trying to potty train her? Other things that you might
want to try are putting her diaper on backwards and closing it with duct
tape.

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Maureen McKitterick

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Dec 18, 2000, 4:50:42 PM12/18/00
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MnD wrote:

I only had this happen with one of the kids...and too be frank..it really boiled
down to more supervision. You can't tell her it's yucky..she obviously doesn't
think so, but you can try to get her changed, and her brother before she has the
opportunity to go this far. And you can redirect her with real fingerpaints and
playdough. I know there are a few recipes out there for edible paints..(I let
the kids use pudding for fingerpaints at this age) and playdough. Basically try
to remove the opportunity, and then find things that will satisfy her little
fingers. Hope this helps a little.

Maureen


Kim

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Dec 18, 2000, 9:02:41 PM12/18/00
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I had that problem with my now 3yr old. It is a horribly disgusting
thing to go through and unfortunately I found nothing that helped. The
only time he would do this was when he was in his crib and I tried to
get him as soon as he woke up to prevent the mess. I feel for you but
you might just have to wait it out. Making him pick it up was a mess
and didnt work either. Good luck.
Kim

K.L.

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Dec 18, 2000, 6:31:53 PM12/18/00
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Whew! I'm glad to see I'm not the only parent that went through this at one
time with one of my boys! Well, maybe not GLAD . . . but anyway . . .

Although I got a good chuckle out of the duct tape tip I'd have to say that
wouldn't have stopped mine. He would have just found a way to go through the
leg openings. Nothing was safe: not the walls, carpets, clothes or even the
inside of mother-in-laws shoes (I kinda forget to tell her about the child's
new hobby when he spent the weekend with her - oops). I became paranoid and
very, very watchful. I mean, who wants to clean that up everyday? My
pediatrician told me not to react harshly since the child doesn't understand
exactly what it is, he just sees it as part of himself. We don't want the
child to think part of himself is yucky. For now. So, I kept my eye on him
and changed him often, telling him how much I loved him even though we usually
make mud pies with real mud. In time he gave it up.

Good luck!

Kirsten L.

Nancy =^..^=

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Dec 18, 2000, 8:08:03 PM12/18/00
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Hee-hee! I'm only laughing because I've been there, done that! Well,
punishing her or giving her a negative reaction obviously isn't
working. One thing you can try is to not make a big issue out of it.
A reaction from you reinforces the behavior, imo, and may attach a
negative aspect to elimination processes, which is something you don't
want to happen when she potty trains.
I used a combination of things for my son when he went through this
stage. Pinning his zipper on his jammies worked for a while, and I did
use a piece of duct tape on the diaper tapes so he couldn't pull it
off. He just figured out how to get it out through the leg-opening,
lol. I never made an issue out of it, and just cleaned him up. I
guess the most effective method I finally figured out was to keep him
changed frequently, so his playtime with poop incidents were minimized
a great deal :)
Good luck

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Amanda and Will Rowan

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Dec 18, 2000, 9:28:46 PM12/18/00
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OMG! My 2 year old did this for the first time today and I went nuts!!! I
called my mother ranting, only to have her say "none of MY kids ever behaved
that way". I thought I was going to kill someone. Thank you for posting
and keeping me sane!!

Amanda

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toto

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Dec 19, 2000, 2:39:14 AM12/19/00
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It's a common problem actually since young children do not have the
same associations that adults have about their poop.

At any rate, try giving them opportunities to use finger paint and
get messy in appropriate ways. When they do finger paint with poop,
stay calm and remove them, bathe them and clean it up. Tell them
poop is not for painting, but they can paint with real paints in
pretty colors or make a squishy mess with playdough instead. And
then allow that as often as possible. Keeping both children in one
piece outfits for a while might help and this phase will pass as the
children get older and begin to realize that poop has germs and is
not something to stick fingers into.

Dorothy
There is no sound, no cry in all the world
that can be heard unless someone listens ..
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SSgt. Dylan W. McGehee

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Dec 19, 2000, 8:17:55 AM12/19/00
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Amanda,

Watch for it at bathtime too. Charlotte pooped getting out of the tub then
she used her toothbrush as a paintbrush. She only did it once but *THAT*
was really hard to clean up (it was also the first time so it was the most
disgusting - lol). It seems to be totally normal. :)

Later, Sophie


SSgt. Dylan W. McGehee

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Dec 19, 2000, 8:15:00 AM12/19/00
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Charlotte used to do this too, as well as pull all the stuffing and gel out
of her diaper. She actually just did it the other day too - was supposed to
be napping, took her diaper off, put all the poo under her door out into the
hallway, then peed on the floor. Oh what fun! Lol.

Nothing works except (like someone said) better supervision. I don't mean
you're bad parents who don't watch your children enough. I know how closely
I watch mine but all she seems to need is 5 seconds. Lol.

Good luck, Sophie
mom to Charlotte (2.5 yrs) and Patrick (13 months)


Dirt Devil

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Dec 19, 2000, 8:45:45 AM12/19/00
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In article <H6v%5.91$SJ2....@feed.centurytel.net>,
MnD <M...@centurytel.net> wrote:
>
>* of course it is the girl that is giving us problems : )

You, too, huh?

I've had problems with girls most of my adult life.

But, sticking to parenting, all three of our's were girls, so we don't
have anything to compare against.

>* The main problem
>is that when the girl has a BM, she likes to take it out and use it as
>finger paints or playdough. Since it is winter and cold, we have been
>keeping her in a sleeper all day long. They are a little bit harder for her
>to take off. So what did she do? She took off her brothers diaper.

Now that is an early sign of creativity and problem solving
abilities.

>*Groaning*
>We have tried using diaper pins across the zipper or snaps, but she has
>figured out how to take them off and I am afraid to continue using them for
>the obvious reason. We have popped her hand, used very stern voices, and
>all the usual stuff. Nothing is seeming to work. Has anyone else had this
>problem? Or could you offer some advise it would be most appreciated.

We had a somewhat similar (although worse) problem with our oldest.
Once we got up to find that she had discovered that she could play
with her poop and ... well, we all know what kids tend to do with
toys.

Yup, in the mouth.

We went in to get her up and were greeted by this smile that was
surrounded by .... (enough said).

On the Good Side (tm), it only happened once. We simply cleaned up
the mess and had a dose of Pepto, each.

That was the last time we had to deal with that, but not because of
anything that we did, so I can't offer any useful suggestions.

All I can offer is the fact that this seems not to be either a
prefered delecacy or a staple in their diets.

They move on, eventually, to other delicacies ... like snails.

Glen (thinking of writing a cookbook for kids) Appleby
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Sarah

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Dec 19, 2000, 2:45:13 PM12/19/00
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Maybe my children are unique but they have bowel clocks that I can set my
watch to. My daughter in the hour between 8 and 9 in the morning and my son
in the evening between 8 and 9.

Do your babies have any kind of eating and evacuating schedule? Good fiber
rich diet?

The only thing here to suggest is getting the poop taken care of as soon as
it comes out. This avoids all kinds of problems. A sensitive nose and tad
more vigilence will probably take care of the problem.

If your daughter is recognizing that she is pooping, then perhaps she is
ready to start on the potty training.

Sarah
Mom to Kalen (9) and Victoria (1)

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bookie

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Dec 19, 2000, 4:46:32 PM12/19/00
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I saw this kind of question once before. It seemed really strange to me,
but surprisingly, a lot of people wrote in to say that their kids did the
same thing. The parents used duck tape to keep the baby out of the diapers,
and if necessary, put their sleepers on backwards so that they couldn't
unzip them. They said it was a phase and they get over it.

Dirt Devil

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Dec 19, 2000, 5:07:15 PM12/19/00
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In article <dVO%5.80833$15.17...@news1.rdc1.az.home.com>,

Sarah <sedona_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>If your daughter is recognizing that she is pooping, then perhaps she is
>ready to start on the potty training.

Or a play schedule more to her liking.

Dirt Devil

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Dec 19, 2000, 5:13:55 PM12/19/00
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In article <97726243...@webhost1.syix.com>,

bookie <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
>I saw this kind of question once before. It seemed really strange to me,
>but surprisingly, a lot of people wrote in to say that their kids did the
>same thing. The parents used duck tape to keep the baby out of the diapers,

Huh? I thought that the idea was to keep the kids *in* the diapers
(well, until they are potty trained, anyway). This will often avoid
unfortunate messes in somewhat random locations.

>and if necessary, put their sleepers on backwards so that they couldn't
>unzip them. They said it was a phase and they get over it.

Not always.

As has been seen here, I still eat shit ... well, when fed by Steve.

Glen (still waiting to hear from his lawyer) Appleby

Marie

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Dec 19, 2000, 6:58:25 PM12/19/00
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> In article <97726243...@webhost1.syix.com>,
> bookie <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
> >I saw this kind of question once before. It seemed really strange to me,
> >but surprisingly, a lot of people wrote in to say that their kids did the
> >same thing. The parents used duck tape to keep the baby out of the
diapers,
>
> Huh? I thought that the idea was to keep the kids *in* the diapers
> (well, until they are potty trained, anyway). This will often avoid
> unfortunate messes in somewhat random locations.
>
> >and if necessary, put their sleepers on backwards so that they couldn't
> >unzip them. They said it was a phase and they get over it.
>
> Not always.
>
> As has been seen here, I still eat shit ... well, when fed by Steve.

ACK! This gave me a big shock until I read the fed by Steve part. Goodness.
Marie

Dirt Devil

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Dec 20, 2000, 8:20:28 AM12/20/00
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In article <KLS%5.2253$xU2.1...@news1.atl>,

Marie <mommy...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>"Dirt Devil" <mailto:gl...@deeptht.armory.com> wrote in message
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>> As has been seen here, I still eat shit ... well, when fed by Steve.
>
>ACK! This gave me a big shock until I read the fed by Steve part. Goodness.

You mean to say that there is something that *I* might say that would
shock you?

MnD

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Dec 22, 2000, 10:51:44 AM12/22/00
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Thanks to you all who answered my question.
"a messy situation"
Some of you guys had some very good ideas. A few of you had mentioned giving
more supervision might be the answer. While I didn't take offence to this
answer, I realize that some parents do lack in that area. I assure you that
we give the kids more enough supervision. But when you have twin 20 month
olds running around, you can never take your eyes off of them. The only room
that that is "totally" child proof is their bed/playroom. Yes we will put
them in there for periods of time just to do little selfish things like wash
dishes or clothes, cook, or clean. If we are feeling really self indulgent
we might even clean the grimy fingerprints off the TV screen too.
The main idea that I am trying to get across is that "parents" who do not
have enough $$ to hire a maid, are sometimes going to have to do what they
have to do, just to get along with everyday life. I would imagine that most
of the people in this group are 'caring" parents otherwise they would have
never come here to begin with.
Well thanks again for your help, and we wish you the happiest of Holidays!

Mike and Darla


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