Who Am I - Help!
David Lindauer
I do hope the respondent isn't one of your aliases. In some of the groups I
frequent it is common for people to talk to themselves and then say they
had nothing to do with the conversation :).
Anyway you don't expect anyone to try to track you down just because you
insist it is possible, do you? :)
But it is supposed to rain tomorrow.
David
bb wrote:
> I said I would put out any results on Friday.
>
> I have one particular respondant who, well, um seems to know! Now I know
> know it is possible to do searches etc over the Net, and some respondants
> have made done just that. This individual however is, I believe, a regular
> to the parausenets, and has made some extremely accurate statements about
> me.
>
> All I can say about the following is, I am being totaly honest;
>
> I do not know anyone, socialy or professionaly who has knowledge of my own
> interest in the paranormal.
>
> I have only had access to the internet for a few weeks.
>
> As far as I know, I do not know the identity of the respondant in question.
>
> If the respondant allows his identity to be confirmed, then I will.
>
> For my part, I can say that I am not involved in any 'funny business' here.
> I have a genuine desire to enable activities which lead to experiences
> commonly described as, paranormal.
>
> Love and Peace,
>
> bbxxxx
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David Lindauer
bb wrote:
> David Lindauer <cam...@bluegrass.net> wrote in article
> <352D2AA3...@bluegrass.net>...
> > I do hope the respondent isn't one of your aliases. In some of the
> groups I
> > frequent it is common for people to talk to themselves and then say they
> > had nothing to do with the conversation :).
> >
> > Anyway you don't expect anyone to try to track you down just because you
> > insist it is possible, do you? :)
>
> Yes, why? What's wrong with that?
>
> Do you think many will track YOU down in a.p.mod, in search of your
> censorious wisdom? Sherilyn, I'm coming over to register a prediction!
>
my my, I have made an enemy! Not the last one I trust. I was reading anarticle
the other day about L R Hubbard audition one of those guys from the orion
cluster that had started a group that attracted the blatantly irresponsible
folk. If you must know, I consider you a part of that group. One of the ploys
of
members of that group is to say all sorts of untrue things just in an effort to
get people to chase them around so they can have fun running. Of course
the game is rigged, even if they stop for a rest there is no way to catch them
:)
BTW if you would like to be censored in my new group, just send me an email
begging to be censored and I'll make a blacklist program just to censor you.
> Lap,
>
see what I mean?
Enigma
Hi BB,
Ok what the heck, l'll take a stab at this as well.
I know some of what I will say has already been
said by Dr. Postman I believe, but I will try to
add some new stuff as well.
1) Your name is Brendan Burton or possibly Brenda Burton.
2) I think you are male but for some reason I'm getting female as
well... Confusing...
3) You are around 37 years old
4) You have be known to enjoy a puff or two of marijuana.
5) Oasis is one of your favorite bands.
6) You are left handed.
7) You are currently attending some kind of school or classes.
8) You have some scars on your body that you don't know
the origin of.
9) You have more than a passing interest in UFO phenomena.
10) You don't like clinical environments at all.
11) You have recently started to awaken to your spiritual side.
regards,
Enigma
DrPostman
And now some think that BB is one of the a.s.t. gang.
Oh well - the whois tool I used said that BB is using
an ISP in the UK, but even that can be faked.
Enigma wrote:
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Enigma
On Fri, 10 Apr 1998 04:29:41 GMT, It...@mysig.emailthere (DrPostman)
wrote:
>And now some think that BB is one of the a.s.t. gang.
>Oh well - the whois tool I used said that BB is using
>an ISP in the UK, but even that can be faked.
heh heh, maybe we'll find out tomorrow... :-)
regards,
Enigma
Enigma
On Fri, 10 Apr 1998 04:29:41 GMT, It...@mysig.emailthere (DrPostman)
wrote:
>And now some think that BB is one of the a.s.t. gang.
>Oh well - the whois tool I used said that BB is using
>an ISP in the UK, but even that can be faked.
I don't know about BB but that
"Re: IMPORTANT: Gary L. Burnore is a Sex 0ffender!" thread
and other related threads on Gary L. Brumore here in a.p definitely
look like spammer material. It looks like alt.paranormal is being
targeted. With all the spam and flame wars in here already, I doubt
anyone hardly notices anyway. :-)
regards,
Enigma
Enigma
On 10 Apr 1998 07:34:18 GMT, "bb" <yb...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>
>
>Enigma wrote in article <352d3c16...@usenet.idirect.com>...
>>
>> Hi BB,
>>
>> Ok what the heck, l'll take a stab at this as well.
>> I know some of what I will say has already been
>> said by Dr. Postman I believe, but I will try to
>> add some new stuff as well.
>
>( usual net search results snipped )
> Sorry, Enima. Nothing new in that lot.
I hope that was a typo! :-) Actually it wasn't all net search results,
(although I don't recall you saying that net searches were not
allowed). Does that mean i don't get a prize? :-(
These were genuine "guesses":
What about Brenda Burton as opposed to Brendan Burton?
Are there two of you using the same account?
What about the confusion between male and female thing?
What about the 37 years old one?
Do you also like the band skunkworks? Or is that your son?
BTW I don't think you are one of the spammers, your posts seem
legit to me.
regards,
Enigma
Samhain
DrPostman wrote in message <35369f15...@news.mindspring.com>...
>And now some think that BB is one of the a.s.t. gang.
>Oh well - the whois tool I used said that BB is using
>an ISP in the UK, but even that can be faked.
Nope I dont think so but Enigma is right there is trolling going on out
of some ast (mostly alt.flame and afkm-n) groups
dial.pipex.uk is a regular ISP.
Hows this for a ng troll from the Gary Burnmore thread:
triangle.general,alt.teens,alt.flame,alt.fan.karl-malden.nose,alt.horror.wer
ewolves,news.groups,alt.rock-n-roll.metal.death,alt.privacy.anon-server,alt.
games.final-fantasy,news.admin.censorship,alt.paranormal,news.admin.net-abus
e.usenet
Best thing for now is not to react and forget them.
I will post the battle plans if you are interested?
Have you been watching afkm-n then?
luv and peas
DrPostman
"Samhain" <postm...@localhost.com> wrote:
>Best thing for now is not to react and forget them.
I am - I hate to see LV get caught up in it.
>I will post the battle plans if you are interested?
Sure - it would be an education to several here.
>Have you been watching afkm-n then?
Yea, what a mess.
>luv and peas
when frozen they are very good for a herniated
disk, and cheaper than an ice pack.
Samhain
DrPostman wrote in message <353406ff...@news.mindspring.com>...
>>I will post the battle plans if you are interested?
>Sure - it would be an education to several here.
>
>>luv and peas
>when frozen they are very good for a herniated
>disk, and cheaper than an ice pack.
Also very good as a cheap icepack for severed fingers and
other severed bits of humans, so they can be transported to
hospital along with the victim.
more luv and peas
DrPostman
I do hope you are kidding.
"bb" <yb...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>
>
>Samhain <postm...@localhost.com> wrote in article
><6gomes$3i2$1...@news.indigo.ie>...
>
>> >>luv and peas
>> >when frozen they are very good for a herniated
>> >disk, and cheaper than an ice pack.
>>
>>
>> Also very good as a cheap icepack for severed fingers and
>> other severed bits of humans, so they can be transported to
>> hospital along with the victim.
>>
>> more luv and peas
>>
>
>As 'Who Am I' was started by me, and "luv and peas" cannot be mistaken as
>anything but a reference to my signature, I have been advised to state the
>following;
>
>
>"I, yb...@dial.pipex.com (bb) as a user of alt.paranormal, consider the
>above posting to be a threat of violence directed towards me, and hereby
>register this as a concern with readers of this newsgroup. Any reader aware
>of the identity of the poster 'Samhain' is requested to forward this
>information on the basis and understanding of the sender, that
>information forwarded ( electronic or otherwise) may be used in criminal
>investigations."
Enigma
On 12 Apr 1998 07:09:25 GMT, "bb" <yb...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>Samhain <postm...@localhost.com> wrote in article
><6gomes$3i2$1...@news.indigo.ie>...
>
>> >>luv and peas
>> >when frozen they are very good for a herniated
>> >disk, and cheaper than an ice pack.
>>
>>
>> Also very good as a cheap icepack for severed fingers and
>> other severed bits of humans, so they can be transported to
>> hospital along with the victim.
>>
>> more luv and peas
>>
>
>As 'Who Am I' was started by me, and "luv and peas" cannot be mistaken as
>anything but a reference to my signature, I have been advised to state the
>following;
>
>
>"I, yb...@dial.pipex.com (bb) as a user of alt.paranormal, consider the
>above posting to be a threat of violence directed towards me, and hereby
>register this as a concern with readers of this newsgroup. Any reader aware
>of the identity of the poster 'Samhain' is requested to forward this
>information on the basis and understanding of the sender, that
>information forwarded ( electronic or otherwise) may be used in criminal
>investigations."
>
BB? In know way did I take Samhain's comment to be any kind of
a threat to anyone. Samhain and Postman were joking about how a frozen
bag of peas could be used as an icepack. At most it was an off-color
joke.
BB, if you are new to posting to Usenet, then you need to be aware of
something. It is very easy to misunderstand the meaning and intention
of something someone states in a message on Usenet, because you
can't see their facial expressions and hear their tone of voice. If
you have any doubts about something someone posts, just post a
follow-up message and politely ask the person to clarify their
comments.
I doubt anyone else reading this newsgroup took Samhain's
comments as anything other than a joke to Postman. They were not
even talking to you. Take a look at some of the other posts Samhain
has made in alt.paranormal in the last couple of weeks and you'll see
that Samhain has been extremely polite in all his postings with
everyone he was responding to. Samhain also posted up some
helpful comments and information concerning moderating Usenet
newsgroups.
BB, either you are a very clever troller as some have suspected, or
you need to calm down and rethink this through. If you were concerned
about something someone said, wouldn't it make more sense to post a
message asking the person to clarify their comments before jumping to
conclusions?
regards,
Enigma
Dan Pressnell
In article <01bd65ea$47669620$2dfc82c1@hp-pavilion>,
"bb" <yb...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
> > Also very good as a cheap icepack for severed fingers and
> > other severed bits of humans, so they can be transported to
> > hospital along with the victim.
> >
> > more luv and peas
> >
>
> As 'Who Am I' was started by me, and "luv and peas" cannot be mistaken as
> anything but a reference to my signature, I have been advised to state the
> following;
>
> "I, yb...@dial.pipex.com (bb) as a user of alt.paranormal, consider the
> above posting to be a threat of violence directed towards me, and hereby
Next time, get your legal advice from a lawyer.
Dan
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Matt Kriebel
In article <01bd664e$da9c4ac0$3cf882c1@hp-pavilion>, "bb"
<yb...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
> Enigma wrote in article <3530f208...@usenet.idirect.com>...
> > On 12 Apr 1998 07:09:25 GMT, "bb" <yb...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
> >
> > >Samhain <postm...@localhost.com> wrote in article
> > ><6gomes$3i2$1...@news.indigo.ie>...
>
> " Also very good as a cheap icepack for severed fingers and
> other severed bits of humans, so they can be transported to
> hospital along with the victim."
>
> > BB? In know way did I take Samhain's comment to be any kind of
> > a threat to anyone. Samhain and Postman were joking about how a frozen
> > bag of peas could be used as an icepack. At most it was an off-color
> > joke.
>
> Interesting. I'd like to hear what other readers thoughts are regarding the
> conversation between Dr Postman and Samhain ( Re: Who Am I?) . If you had
> been the instigator of 'Who Am I', how would you have interpreted their
> discussions?
As a joke. Certainly not directed at you. Ironicly the joke has a bit of
helpful health advice. Get over yourself bb, this is USENET. Its not
always about you.
--
Matt Kriebel * The Hessian Web Page:
got...@netaxs.com* http://www.netaxs.com/~gothic/Hessian.html
*********************************************************************
The truth is out there, but the speculation is way, *way* out there.
DrPostman
"bb" <yb...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>Enigma wrote in article <3530f208...@usenet.idirect.com>...
>> On 12 Apr 1998 07:09:25 GMT, "bb" <yb...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Samhain <postm...@localhost.com> wrote in article
>> ><6gomes$3i2$1...@news.indigo.ie>...
>
> " Also very good as a cheap icepack for severed fingers and
> other severed bits of humans, so they can be transported to
> hospital along with the victim."
>
>> BB? In know way did I take Samhain's comment to be any kind of
>> a threat to anyone. Samhain and Postman were joking about how a frozen
>> bag of peas could be used as an icepack. At most it was an off-color
>> joke.
>
>Interesting. I'd like to hear what other readers thoughts are regarding the
>conversation between Dr Postman and Samhain ( Re: Who Am I?) . If you had
>been the instigator of 'Who Am I', how would you have interpreted their
>discussions?
For one thing he never would had made the quote that you have decided to
take/and or make issue with had I not brought up the use of peas in
frozen form - I did so with levity but I was not joking. Call it
alacrity. I suffered a herniated disc back in January and with physical
therapy I was able to avoid an operation. Because I was unable to
work it was suggested to me by the therapist to use a bag of frozen
peas instead of paying over $35 for a reusable ice pack. Damned sound
advice. Now had Samhain responded to you with his remark you might
have taken it personally, or however you are taking it (depending upon
your motives) but he didn't - he said it to me. End of subject. Even
if this was a trolling attempt it would be such a desperate reach that
it would be doomed for failure.
Samhain
bb wrote in message <01bd65ea$47669620$2dfc82c1@hp-pavilion>...
>"I, yb...@dial.pipex.com (bb) as a user of alt.paranormal, consider the
>above posting to be a threat of violence directed towards me, and hereby
>register this as a concern with readers of this newsgroup. Any reader aware
>of the identity of the poster 'Samhain' is requested to forward this
>information on the basis and understanding of the sender, that
>information forwarded ( electronic or otherwise) may be used in criminal
>investigations."
Hey bb, chill out there, its one my sigs, I have used it for 10 years.
Mostly on fido and sometimes on Usenet.
Check it out...
No I am not slagging you off, I dont have time for that.
luv and peas
Samhain.
dr. digger
DrPostman wrote:
>Even
>if this was a trolling attempt it would be such a desperate reach that
>it would be doomed for failure.
Actually it turned out pretty successful. Either that, or bb is just
getting into the spirit of alt.paranormal.
Love and peas, dr. digger
"As ye troll, so shall ye be trolled." -- ancient celtic proverb
DrPostman
"bb" <yb...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>
>Why post private discussions on usenet? Do you not know each others private
>email adds?
>
>Always, Love and Peace.
>
>bbxxxx
Usenet is a bulletin board version of chatting. What was private about
what was said? Who is making email adds - this has nothing to do with
email. Samhain and I have never emailed each other - what are you
trying to say?
Enigma
On 12 Apr 1998 22:17:55 GMT, "bb" <yb...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>Why post private discussions on usenet? Do you not know each others private
>email adds?
If its posted to private email its a private discussion, if its posted
to Usenet its a public discussion. Either one is ok. BTW, I wonder
if you are going to publicly apologize to Samhain for your bizarre
accusation against him? If you don't do so, don't be surprised if some
people here start calling you strange names like "sock puppet" and
"kook" and such. There are a few others who have made an
entrance into alt.paranormal very similar to yours and they are still
carrying on in a similar manner. You seem to be following in
their footsteps. If I'm not making sense here don't worry about it.
This is Usenet, not reality. :-)
regards,
Enigma
DrPostman
bhe...@spamfree.polarnet.com (dr. digger) wrote:
That would depend upon what is considered successful.
"All we are saying, is give peas a chance"
- Jolly Green Giant
Earl Curley
bb wrote in message <01bd664e$da9c4ac0$3cf882c1@hp-pavilion>...
>
>
>Enigma wrote in article <3530f208...@usenet.idirect.com>...
>> On 12 Apr 1998 07:09:25 GMT, "bb" <yb...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Samhain <postm...@localhost.com> wrote in article
>> ><6gomes$3i2$1...@news.indigo.ie>...
>
> " Also very good as a cheap icepack for severed fingers and
> other severed bits of humans, so they can be transported to
> hospital along with the victim."
>
>> BB? In know way did I take Samhain's comment to be any kind of
>> a threat to anyone. Samhain and Postman were joking about how a frozen
>> bag of peas could be used as an icepack. At most it was an off-color
>> joke.
>
>Interesting. I'd like to hear what other readers thoughts are regarding the
>conversation between Dr Postman and Samhain ( Re: Who Am I?) . If you had
>been the instigator of 'Who Am I', how would you have interpreted their
>discussions?
>
Get a life, bb. If you think that Samhain was threatening you then I'd like
to suggest that you remove yourself from these news groups because the real
threats that we all get subjected to having even started for you yet and I'm
sure you will never be able to them.
Take your ego and childish attitude somewhere else.
Earl Curley
earlcurley#hotmail.com
http://www.webdesign.ca/
DrPostman
"bb" <yb...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>Like I said before, if you don't want misinterpretations of your postings,
>keep it private, particularly if you refer to another users sig or post
>header. By the way, you referred publicly to 'battle plans', could you
>clear that one up? Or was that meant to be for Dr Postmans eyes only, it's
>hard to tell.
>
>Thanks for your reply though Samhain, I admit I shouldn't jump to
>conclusions, but I am, after all, only human......
>
>Bangers and Mash
>
>bbxxxx
>
He was talking about alt.syntax.tactical - I thought you knew enough
about Usenet to tell people what they should or should not talk about.
No mention was made about your sig file and by the time the thread had
gotten to that post there is no way you could have even inferred we had
you in mind. I saw a good quote in a post today - recognize it:
"USENET is not always about you."
Now I wonder who could have written that today?
"all we are saying, is give peas a chance."
DrPostman
"bb" <yb...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>Email ADDRESS not adverts ( two 'd'). I say keep private converstations
>private, USENET is not always about you.
>
>LaP
>
>bbxxx
So what is your objection here - Samhain and I have only corresponded on
Usenet. How do you get from claiming that someone has threatened you
in a post between two people other than yourself where you were not
even referred to, to lecturing me on what Usenet is or isn't about. I'd
say that you should have been speaking to yourself. Bad answer BB
Enigma
On 13 Apr 1998 09:34:18 GMT, "bb" <yb...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>Samhain <postm...@localhost.com> wrote in article
><6grgs4$h2d$1...@news.indigo.ie>...
>> Hey bb, chill out there, its one my sigs, I have used it for 10 years.
>> Mostly on fido and sometimes on Usenet.
>> Check it out...
>> No I am not slagging you off, I dont have time for that.
>>
>>
>> luv and peas
>> Samhain.
>
>Like I said before, if you don't want misinterpretations of your postings,
>keep it private, particularly if you refer to another users sig or post
bb, I'm really beginning to wonder about you. Did you not read what
Samhain said above? He said that he has been using the signature
"luv and peas" for about 10 years. It had nothing to do with you.
That's why Matt Kriebel made the comment about Usenet not always
being about you. Do you follow now?
You seem to be new to Usenet yet you also seem to be telling people
what is supposedly appropriate and not appropriate for Usenet, instead
of listening to others explanations of how things work. Also, whether
you realize it or not, you have been "flaming" Postman for doing
nothing more than try to clear up some misconceptions that you seem
to have.
>header. By the way, you referred publicly to 'battle plans', could you
>clear that one up? Or was that meant to be for Dr Postmans eyes only, it's
>hard to tell.
Samhain was referring to an organized group of mostly juveniles that
spend most of their time on Usenet trying to disrupt newsgroups.
This group is known as "a.s.t" which stands for alt.syntax.tactical.
There are other offshoots from the original a.s.t group in existence
these days. These groups hang out in newsgroups such as
alt.fan.karl-malden.nose, alt.flame, alt.bigfoot, and others.
These groups of juveniles will "invade" newsgroups and try to cause
as much disruption as they can by instigating flame wars (long
drawn out heated arguments) and by filling the group with off-topic
posts, possibly driving all the legitimate users of the group away
from the newsgroup. As I said they are organized and they have
"battle plans" which they use a guidelines for invading a newsgroup.
Samhain was referring to such battle plans as there have recently
been some threads in alt.paranormal that were probably cross-posted
to alt.paranormal by some of these guys. Sometimes they do this to
try to get users in one newsgroup to start flaming others in another
newsgroup where the posts originated from, although the originators of
the cross-posted messages may not be the ones who cross-posted them.
The best defence against these guys is to not respond to their
posts. Doing so only encourages them and also helps to clutter
up the newsgroup more, which is one of their twisted objectives.
You can quite often recognize a spam post from one of these groups
by looking at the newsgroups field in the header. If a post is
crossposted to several unrelated newsgroups and contains
newsgroups such as alt.fan.karl-malden.nose, alt.flame, alt.bigfoot,
etc., then it is pretty likely that the post was crossposted by one of
these guys. Don't respond to such posts. When they see that their
attempts to disrupt a newsgroup aren't working they will move on to
another group where the users are more clued out.
If anyone is interested, you can read the a.s.t faq at:
http://www.cs.ruu.nl/wais/html/na-dir/net-abuse-faq/troll-faq.html
Sometimes these guys will send a "scout" into a newsgroup
to feel out the users and see if they are clued out enough
to make a good target. These scouts will sometimes play
dumb to see how easy it is to provoke people into flames.
Some people here have been wondering if you (bb) are
one of these, but I am inclined to think that you
are not although I still have my doubts.
bb, you seem to be new to Usenet yet you said previously
in a message <01bd5fbb$2fb5ab40$dffb82c1@hp-pavilion>
in alt.paranormal:
>My point IS, I'm trying an experiment. Trace? I don't think so. Heard of
>the ID Headtwister called 'Nut-Roast'? Obviously not............
Are you referring to a program that alters the header of a
Usenet post or something else? This might help clarify a few
things.
regards,
Enigma
Sherilyn
In article <01bd65ea$47669620$2dfc82c1@hp-pavilion>,
>
> > >>luv and peas
> > >when frozen they are very good for a herniated
> > >disk, and cheaper than an ice pack.
> >
> >
> > other severed bits of humans, so they can be transported to
> > hospital along with the victim.
> >
> >
>
> As 'Who Am I' was started by me, and "luv and peas" cannot be mistaken as
> anything but a reference to my signature, I have been advised to state the
> following;
>
> above posting to be a threat of violence directed towards me, and hereby
> register this as a concern with readers of this newsgroup. Any reader aware
> of the identity of the poster 'Samhain' is requested to forward this
> information on the basis and understanding of the sender, that
> information forwarded ( electronic or otherwise) may be used in criminal
> investigations."
>
Just in case this is not some late and ill-conceived April fool joke,
would you care to explain how you arrived at the conclusion that samhain
was threatening you?
It looked to me as if it was more some rather tasteless but handy
first-aid advice for the unfortunate Mr John Bobbitt.
--
Sherilyn
Samhain
dr. digger wrote in message <35316615.21070932@news>...
>>if this was a trolling attempt it would be such a desperate reach that
>>it would be doomed for failure.
>
>Actually it turned out pretty successful. Either that, or bb is just
>getting into the spirit of alt.paranormal.
This is a rather obscure thread so its hardly a successful troll:-(
"As ye troll, so shall ye be trolled." -- ancient celtic proverb
"'Damn, the fourwheel wont start" -- very ancient alaskan proverb
luv and peas
Samhain
Samhain
bb wrote in message <01bd66c7$ae8f64c0$e6f282c1@hp-pavilion>...
>>
>> Hey bb, chill out there, its one my sigs, I have used it for 10 years.
>Like I said before, if you don't want misinterpretations of your postings,
>keep it private, particularly if you refer to another users sig or post
>header. By the way, you referred publicly to 'battle plans', could you
>clear that one up? Or was that meant to be for Dr Postmans eyes only, it's
>hard to tell.
no I was talking about the battle plans of a group calling itself
alt.syntax.tactical, newsgroup invaders and denizens of a
newsgroup called alt.fan.karl-malden.nose
This where the idae of trolling as a passtime came from.
>Thanks for your reply though Samhain, I admit I shouldn't jump to
>conclusions, but I am, after all, only human......
ok no problem
>Bangers and Mash
Thats the spirit:-)
luv and peas
Samhain
Samhain
For those waiting with bated breath here is the AST faq
from URL: http://ddi.digital.net/~gandalf/trollfaq.html
The alt.syntax.tactical FAQ - Know your opponents
=================================================
Here's some relevant source material, obtained from one of the
members, the "real" FAQ of AST, a somewhat less serious one, and one
distributed -about- AST.
If someone would be kind enough to send me a current version of this
FAQ, I would be more than happy to include it.
Side note : Are the references to Thomas Hardy's Tertiary Syntactical
Cycle and the CRTC's prohibitions re: syllabic / phonemic patterns
_publicly_ available?
The Invasion FAQ of A.S.T.
Although not exactly a FAQ, this file is more of an explanation of why
alt.syntax.tactical and the tactical-list were created. It also lays
down the foundation for the structure, strategy, and protocol of
USENET invasions.
* Invasion *
Each of us brings our own reasons, backgrounds and motivations into
this scheme. What is important is that each individual brings into
this their own brand of inspired mischief. In some ways it is
completely innocent. In some ways it is completely destructive.
Anyone can walk into alt.sex and post that pornography should be
banned. Anyone can walk into rec.sport.baseball and say "baseball
sucks". It takes unbelievable skill and discipline to cause a
PROLONGED flame war. That is what we do. But it can only be done with
talent, and numbers to match that talent. We only bring into the fold
people who have the knack to use smarts to incite chaos, not stupidity
to incite being ignored when people see a post and know what you're up to.
To keep things running smoothly, Antebi is our 'moderator'. jpdavid
was responsible for creating the mailing-list and setting up the
initial newsgroup. Everyone is equal in suggesting and voting on
invasion sites and other basic day-to-day workings of the group.
Everyone here gains or loses merit only in the invasion arena.
* Waves of Invasion *
Flames and wars between groups are as old as Usenet. What we try to do
is in many ways fundamentally different from what is or has been done
in this area.
After picking a site, we call for an invasion on that site. There are
a number of phases to an invasion. Each person can volunteer for which
wave they want to be in, but more times than not, it is a first come-
first served policy. It is always important that no one jump the gun
and go in before we have time to prepare and bounce ideas off each
other. It's also important that people don't switch waves without
letting everyone know. Flexibility is the key, as is communication.
Typically, we use between two and five Waves of attack. Waves will
generally break down into this kind of structure:
a: Reconnaissance (RECON): These people will go in early and usually
set up camp as "friends of the newsgroup". They will become trusted
and participate by joining previous discussions or starting non-
controversial ones themselves. They will also act as "double-agents"
to counter-flame the other waves as the invasion progresses. They key
is building a bit of credibility.
b: Wave One: Wave one will usually be what starts the flame war.
Those involved in this wave can go on and each have a different flame,
or go on and flame in unison. They can bring in a subject of their
own or flame a previous discussion. What matters is that this initial
wave will be the one that the invaded newsgroup will have their
attention on. This wave calls for extreme subtlety. The quality of the
flame MUST be at its highest point here.
c: Wave Two: Wave Two will consist of tactics to attack the people
who were sent in as recon and attempt to start totally new flame
threads. The key here is that even if we attack a group of people
restrained enough to resist our flame-bait, wave two will stir things
up and get others to join in.
d: Wave Three: Wave three will generally change depending on the
campaign, but will generally be added to push the confusion and chaos
over the top. Flame the recon, flame the first wave, flame the second
wave. These guys are our balls out, rude SOB's. Mop up and clean out.
Sometimes (usually with bigger groups) Wave three will simply be along
the lines of a wave two. We will call for a wave four (or five) to be
the balls out routine. We will sometimes add a wave or two because
depending on the size and intelligence of a newsgroup.
Miscellaneous Tactics:
There are three other things that we typically use, depending on
the sophistication of the invasion.
LOOSE CANNONS are people who come in and act so strange and obtuse
that it makes the rest of the flames look genuine.
THE ANON SERVICE can be used to send posts anonymously. This is a good
way to post and pretend to be scared of retribution. Only problem is
that this is usually the first sign that a post is a flame, so it
should only be used with a TREMENDOUS amount of DISCRETION.
CROSS POSTING is also a popular method of choice by other flame
groups, so it is important to Cross Post with discretion. If we can
cross post to bring in other newsgroups to unwittingly assist us,
perfect. If we cross post to suspicious newsgroups, our intentions
will be obvious.
* Victory *
Ideally, signs of victory are the following:o Our names appear in killfiles
o Majority or ALL threads in invaded newsgroup were started by us
o Regulars/legit people abandon invaded newsgroup
o Receive much hate mail - as does our SysAdmin
o To be reprimanded by the glorious SysAdmin
* Notes *
Most important is the need to be SUBTLE when it is required. One
misplaced post can ruin it for the rest of us. Those of you who have
participated in widespread flame wars know the feeling of having a
newsgroup going for a long time, then someone posts an obvious flame
or something so far out of context, that everyone says to just ignore
the flames, which eventually includes all of us. Blowing a flame war
will occasionally happen, but if it could have been avoided with a
little thinking, then it's not as excusable.
We've got to share duties. Everyone should get practice playing
different roles and different waves.
It has been assumed that if you don't want to participate, fine. No
one will hold it against you. What is expected is that if you don't
want to participate you don't have to, but that also means that you
wont go warning that newsgroup when an invasion happens. You will
close your eyes and turn a blind eye. NO NEWSGROUP IS OFF LIMITS!!!!!!
Another thing many people seem to be talking about are SIGS AND NAMES.
Try to take on appropriate names. If you are on alt.rap, D.J. Trouble
is not going to stir things up...if you show up on soc.culture.physics
with that name, you're caught before your first word of text. If a Sig
is going to blow your cover, lose it.
dr. digger
"Samhain" wrote:
>This is a rather obscure thread so its hardly a successful troll:-(
>
>"As ye troll, so shall ye be trolled." -- ancient celtic proverb
"Rule me ovah, in the clovah, bet don't let me trrriler sink in the
bog" -- Mallorie O'Brien to Mick O'Brien
>"'Damn, the fourwheel wont start" -- very ancient alaskan proverb
"99 boottles o' Killian's in the outhouse, when I fell off my
three-wheeler! Who can I sue?" -- very, very ancient alaskan proverb
"Honda has more money than Killian, an' you ken't tell the jurrrry
you were droonk" -- Contingency Lawyer
"Hitch up an' pull, bebeh, 'ere the snake byte" -- St. Patrick, on the
Road to Kilkenny, to a damsel in distress, on the occasion of being
knocked off his 3-wheeler during the Medeival Dark Ages
>
>luv and peas
>Samhain
luv, peas, & blueberries,
dr. O'digger
Sherilyn
In article <6gu189$goc$3...@news.indigo.ie>,
"Samhain" <postm...@localhost.com> wrote:
>
> For those waiting with bated breath here is the AST faq
> from URL: http://ddi.digital.net/~gandalf/trollfaq.html
>
> The alt.syntax.tactical FAQ - Know your opponents
I've seen this posting in various guises many times--it's often
trundled out in the midst of a perfectly pedestrian flame war,
and as far as I am aware it has never, ever, served any useful
purpose--for all I know, it could be a troll. It certainly seems
to raise the paranoia level wherever it is posted.
The term "know your opponents" is the key. If you think of USENET as
a battleground, you are part of the problem, not the solution. There
are mechanisms in USENET and the internet generally allowing one to build
up a kind of community resource that will be relatively immune from flames,
takeovers and invasions (David Lindauer seems to be implementing one such
right now on alt.paranormal.moderated). In the meantime, talking of
"invasion" or "takeover" of a public newsgroup is at best misguided.
The only thing to do, if you don't like flames, is to learn not to
post flames or flamebait. There's a FAQ about this at
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/paranormal/posting/
This contains pointers to the distilled commonsense of generations
of USENET users.
IMO, it's far more use than a barrel load of troll FAQs.
Samhain
dr. digger wrote in message <3532dae0.116519497@news>...
>"99 boottles o' Killian's in the outhouse, when I fell off my
> three-wheeler! Who can I sue?" -- very, very ancient alaskan proverb
WTF is Killian's ?
>"Honda has more money than Killian, an' you ken't tell the jurrrry
> you were droonk" -- Contingency Lawyer
or barff on the judge
>"Hitch up an' pull, bebeh, 'ere the snake byte" -- St. Patrick, on the
>Road to Kilkenny, to a damsel in distress, on the occasion of being
>knocked off his 3-wheeler during the Medeival Dark Ages
Like Oh mi god they killed kenny<vbg>
:-)
>dr. O'digger
luv,peas,blueberries and courgettes
Sean O'Samhain
John Mcgowan
* While speaking of LEGAL NOTICE ALT.PARANORMAL on 13 Apr 98 02:26:41,
"Earl Curley" Replied in the following manner:
"C> From: "Earl Curley" <earlc...@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: LEGAL
"C> NOTICE ALT.PARANORMAL Organization: Web.design.Ca Inc.
"C> bb wrote in message <01bd664e$da9c4ac0$3cf882c1@hp-pavilion>...
> Enigma wrote in article <3530f208...@usenet.idirect.com>...
>> On 12 Apr 1998 07:09:25 GMT, "bb" <yb...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>> > Samhain <postm...@localhost.com> wrote in article
>> > <6gomes$3i2$1...@news.indigo.ie>...
> " Also very good as a cheap icepack for severed fingers and other
> severed bits of humans, so they can be transported to hospital
> along with the victim."
>> BB? In know way did I take Samhain's comment to be any kind of a
>> threat to anyone. Samhain and Postman were joking about how a frozen
>> bag of peas could be used as an icepack. At most it was an off-color
>> joke.
> Interesting. I'd like to hear what other readers thoughts are regarding the
> conversation between Dr Postman and Samhain ( Re: Who Am I?) . If you had
> been the instigator of 'Who Am I', how would you have interpreted their
> discussions?
"C> Get a life, bb. If you think that Samhain was threatening you then
"C> I'd like to suggest that you remove yourself from these news groups
"C> because the real threats that we all get subjected to having even
"C> started for you yet and I'm sure you will never be able to them.
"C> Take your ego and childish attitude somewhere else.
"C> Earl Curley earlcurley#hotmail.com http://www.webdesign.ca/
:) Some people's kids! :) It is hard to believe Samhainn would threaten
anyone in anyway. :) Personally, I think Sam could care less about mere
opinions and verbal tauntings. :)
However, it was bound to happen... Notice how anyone willing to even
remotely consider that Earl or Bruce may have a point winds up being a
victim of such attacks? :)
And by not joining in on the Curley/Kettler Dumping Party, one obviously
sides with them, whether they do or don't in reality. :)
Parents ought to pay more attention to what their kids do, instead of
sticking the responsibility on some damn electronic babysitter. There is
plenty of time to play Hide the sausage *AFTER* Junior goes to bed for the
night. (LOL)
... HGB, 1-602-832-7149, "For ONE Helluva good time!"
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* While speaking of LEGAL NOTICE ALT.PARANORMAL on 14 Apr 98 07:53:41,
"Samhain" Replied in the following manner:
"S> From: "Samhain" <@[127.0.0.1]> Subject: Re: LEGAL NOTICE
"S> ALT.PARANORMAL Organization: sometimes
"S> dr. digger wrote in message <3532dae0.116519497@news>... "99 boottles
> o' Killian's in the outhouse, when I fell off my three-wheeler!
> Who can I sue?" -- very, very ancient alaskan proverb
"S> WTF is Killian's ?
Killian's is one of those supposedly Irish Imported Beers (ales) which no one
on the aulde Sod ever heard of before, me Lad. :) As I remember it, it sits on
the shelves at your nearest 7-11, or ARCO Mini-Mart right by the OLDE English
Paint-Thinner they sell to the kiddies. :)
Obviously Digs here has intimate knowledge about the brew, which only those
with wasted tastebuds or kiddies in High School who think they know how to
Party will tolerate. :) It sort of replaced MAD DOG 2020, once people
started realizing that they were only drinking Mogen-David Wine, the dregs of
the wine industry. :)
> "Hitch up an' pull, bebeh, 'ere the snake byte" -- St. Patrick, on the
> Road to Kilkenny, to a damsel in distress, on the occasion of being
> knocked off his 3-wheeler during the Medeival Dark Ages
"S> Like Oh mi god they killed kenny<vbg> :-)
:) That very well may be why it is called KilKenny, Sam! :) People named
places for the dumbest reasons. More than likely it was Killian's that
killed Kenny. :)
However, Digs must have been boning up on his Irish, however why is it that
he sounds more Welsh, with the vowels replaced of course. :)
to...@stic.net
> Killian's is one of those supposedly Irish Imported Beers (ales) which no
one
> on the aulde Sod ever heard of before, me Lad. :)
Killian's is a domestic beer - that's why.
S.
twi...@worldnet.att.net
John.M...@ghostrdr.wierius.com (John Mcgowan) wrote:
The quoted inflammatory posting is NOT undisputed,
but is considered not worth wasting bandwidth on
this newsgroup. Please access
http://www.psicounsel.com/dissent.html
I do not guarantee that all posts will be on the above
web page, but check for a complete quote of your post,
and perhaps a description of how the quoted post and
others by the same author are patently false and/or
posted
only with the intent to create intense conflict.
Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes,
our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot
alter the state of facts and evidence.
twi...@worldnet.att.net
Samhain
John Mcgowan wrote in message ...
>>"99 boottles o' Killian's in
> "S> WTF is Killian's ?
>
>Killian's is one of those supposedly Irish Imported Beers (ales) which no
one
>on the aulde Sod ever heard of before, me Lad. :) As I remember it, it sits
on
>the shelves at your nearest 7-11, or ARCO Mini-Mart right by the OLDE
English
>Paint-Thinner they sell to the kiddies. :)
'S funny they have a beer in France called Killians too, a redish ale,
seriously disgusting it is too:-)
They use twee red headed 'oirish' girls to advertise it...
>Party will tolerate. :) It sort of replaced MAD DOG 2020, once people
>started realizing that they were only drinking Mogen-David Wine, the dregs
of
>the wine industry. :)
Drink problem who me?...no problem, get drunk, fall down see no problem.
> > "Hitch up an' pull, bebeh, 'ere the snake byte" -- St. Patrick, on the
> > Road to Kilkenny, to a damsel in distress, on the occasion of being
>:) That very well may be why it is called KilKenny, Sam! :) People named
>places for the dumbest reasons. More than likely it was Killian's that
>killed Kenny. :)
Actually a 'kill' is a church.. so its Kennys church...or more properly
'The church of Canice', died 568AD.
Theres a big sign on the motorway to the south that has one word on it:
Kill
Lots of tourists crash into that sign:-)
>However, Digs must have been boning up on his Irish, however why is it that
>he sounds more Welsh, with the vowels replaced of course. :)
Well if he was talking Welsh there would be hardly any vowels at all...
LLYNDUDNO or betws-y-coed sort of...
Anyway hardly on topic...
Jon Walsh
to...@stic.net writes:
> > Killian's is one of those supposedly Irish Imported Beers (ales) which no
> one
> > on the aulde Sod ever heard of before, me Lad. :)
>
> Killian's is a domestic beer - that's why.
Are you implying that John McGowan doesn't know what he's talking
about? Preposterous. He knows everything.
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Dan Kettler
Jon Walsh <pro...@skepticult.org> wrote in article
<m3pvie6...@localhost.localdomain>...
> to...@stic.net writes:
<snip>
> Are you implying that John McGowan doesn't know what he's talking
> about? Preposterous. He knows everything.
<snip>
> SKEP-TI-CULT® Worldwide Cabal
People stop reading newsgroups, often,
when they contain an abundance of nasty posts.
See examples of what INTELLIGENT LIFE ON
THE NET is about at:
http://www.psicounsel.com/intelllig.html
Your post is disputable.
Whatever differences may exist, they are
not being argued now.
Check out:
http://www . psicounsel.com/dissent.html
We sometimes place rebuttals to posts at
the above URL
You are seeing this posting because you either
lied, or posted otherwise inflammatory remarks.
alt.paranormal . moderated does not have
any people writing nasty remarks, as the
postings are checked before placement.
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twi...@worldnet.att.net
Jon Walsh <pro...@skepticult.org> wrote:
>to...@stic.net writes:
>
>> > Killian's is one of those supposedly Irish Imported Beers (ales) which no
>> one
>> > on the aulde Sod ever heard of before, me Lad. :)
>>
>> Killian's is a domestic beer - that's why.
>
>Are you implying that John McGowan doesn't know what he's talking
>about? Preposterous. He knows everything.
>
Yes, John is an expert on Hurricanes.
Of course, all of the scientists disagree with him, but that
is purely because the scientists are wrong.
Just ask John!
John Mcgowan
* While speaking of LEGAL NOTICE ALT.PARANORMAL on 18 Apr 98 03:44:35,
"Samhain" Replied in the following manner:
"S> From: "Samhain" <@[127.0.0.1]> Subject: Re: LEGAL NOTICE
"S> ALT.PARANORMAL Organization: sometimes
"S> John Mcgowan wrote in message ...
>> "99 boottles o' Killian's in WTF is Killian's ?
> Killian's is one of those supposedly Irish Imported Beers (ales) which no
> one on the aulde Sod ever heard of before, me Lad. :) As I remember
> it, it sits on the shelves at your nearest 7-11, or ARCO Mini-Mart
> right by the OLDE
"S> English Paint-Thinner they sell to the kiddies. :)
Yep.. At least in Pennsylvania we drank real beer, STROH's. :) Being from
Pittsburgh, one would expect Iron City -- but that always tasted something
like I always imagined recycled beer would taste like. :)
"S> 'S funny they have a beer in France called Killians too, a redish ale,
"S> seriously disgusting it is too:-) They use twee red headed 'oirish'
"S> girls to advertise it...
Check on that, you may find it is an Irish Import. (or English)
> Party will tolerate. :) It sort of replaced MAD DOG 2020, once people
> started realizing that they were only drinking Mogen-David Wine, the
> dregs of the wine industry. :)
"S> Drink problem who me?...no problem, get drunk, fall down see no
"S> problem.
:) That pretty much summed it up. :) However, I never got addicted to
alcohol for some reason, the only real addiction I ever acquired was those
nasty, nasty cigarettes. Everything else I could quit on the spur of the
moment. :) Lucky me, I guess! (LOL)
Oh, and Salt. I am close to an addiction when it comes to salt, and even
thought I can eat stuff with out salting it heavy, I feel those pangs of
withdrawal when I eat low or no salt stuff. I can drink Kool aid with no
sugar and not complain much, but give me a steak and no salt shaker and I
can go ballistic on ya. (LOL)
> > "Hitch up an' pull, bebeh, 'ere the snake byte" -- St. Patrick, on the
> > Road to Kilkenny, to a damsel in distress, on the occasion of being
> :) That very well may be why it is called KilKenny, Sam! :) People named
> places for the dumbest reasons. More than likely it was Killian's that
> killed Kenny. :)
"S> Actually a 'kill' is a church.. so its Kennys church...or more
"S> properly 'The church of Canice', died 568AD.
Yeah, I picked that up from Genealogy. I didn't mean to insult my relatives
on the Auld Sod. :) However, I was not aware of the history behind Kilkenny.
:) I figured it meant the Church of Kenny :), or to put it more appropriate
for most people today, Kenny's Church.
"S> Theres a big sign on the motorway to the south that has one word on
"S> it: Kill Lots of tourists crash into that sign:-)
I gotta place where you are at, exactly, sometime. In Private EMail perhaps.
I actually may have some questions for you concerning certain areas of
Ireland, once I gather them together.
> However, Digs must have been boning up on his Irish, however why is it that
> he sounds more Welsh, with the vowels replaced of course. :)
"S> Well if he was talking Welsh there would be hardly any vowels at
"S> all... LLYNDUDNO or betws-y-coed sort of...
And like *Llyddumlmunnyddthllywddu*. :) But modern Welsh seems to have
become more like English.
"S> Anyway hardly on topic...
So it is, but since Digs began this, I guess a hearty:
The quoted inflammatory posting is NOT undisputed,
but is considered not worth wasting bandwidth on
this newsgroup. Please access
http://www.psicounsel.com/dissent.html
I do not guarantee that all posts will be on the above
web page, but check for a complete quote of your post,
and perhaps a description of how the quoted post and
others by the same author are patently false and/or posted
only with the intent to create intense conflict.
ought to go out to all of us, but mostly to him, eh? :)
After all, we are making jokes at the expense of others. And that can
constitute a flaming.
So I bow my head and repent my sins over this, Off topic and flaming ought to
be pretty serious. :)
John Mcgowan
* While speaking of LEGAL NOTICE ALT.PARANORMAL on 18 Apr 98 07:39:36,
to...@stic.net Replied in the following manner:
to> From: to...@stic.net Subject: Re: LEGAL NOTICE ALT.PARANORMAL
to> Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion
> Killian's is one of those supposedly Irish Imported Beers (ales) which no
one
> on the aulde Sod ever heard of before, me Lad. :)
to> Killian's is a domestic beer - that's why.
to> S.
Killian's may have recently opened a brewery in the US, but it was imported
when I first became aware of it. So the question is: Domestic to where? :)
Bitburger is a domestic beer, if you lived in Germany. :)
Jon Walsh
<Snip John McGowan telling bullshit stories and bragging about things
he's never done.>
Hey John, you seem to have an answer for everything, you long winded
blowhard. Why is it you get so quiet when it comes to answering
those pesky quotes, complete with message-ids that twitch is always
posting?
Curious,
John Fitzsimons
On Sat, 18 Apr 1998 16:32:16 GMT, twi...@worldnet.att.net wrote:
>John.M...@ghostrdr.wierius.com (John Mcgowan) wrote:
> The quoted inflammatory posting is NOT undisputed,
< snip >
But a posting wasn't "quoted" !!!!
Shouldn't that read ;
This < snipped > inflammatory posting is NOT undisputed ?
Sorry, couldn't resist. :-)
Regards, John.
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John Fitzsimons
On Sat, 18 Apr 1998 16:32:14 GMT, twi...@worldnet.att.net wrote:
>John.M...@ghostrdr.wierius.com (John Mcgowan) wrote:
> The quoted inflammatory posting is NOT undisputed,
You could have omitted the words "quoted" and "inflammatory".
> but is considered not worth wasting bandwidth on
> this newsgroup. Please access
> http://www.psicounsel.com/dissent.html
> I do not guarantee that all posts will be on the above
> web page, but check for a complete quote of your post,
> and perhaps a description of how the quoted post and
> others by the same author are patently false and/or
> posted
> only with the intent to create intense conflict.
Hey ! You left off the bit about the previous poster being a liar. How
can one expect flames to go on forever if you leave off such
"necessary" and "inflammatory" comments ?
You WHAT ? You *meant* to leave that off ? Pity some of the
pro-paranormalists don't take a lesson from your actions. :-)
twi...@worldnet.att.net
jo...@melbpc.org.au (John Fitzsimons) wrote:
>On Sat, 18 Apr 1998 16:32:14 GMT, twi...@worldnet.att.net wrote:
>
>>John.M...@ghostrdr.wierius.com (John Mcgowan) wrote:
>
>> The quoted inflammatory posting is NOT undisputed,
>
>You could have omitted the words "quoted" and "inflammatory".
Since it was really written by Dan and Earl in consort, I
could have omitted the entire post and no intelligence would
have been lost.
>
>> but is considered not worth wasting bandwidth on
>> this newsgroup. Please access
>
>> http://www.psicounsel.com/dissent.html
>
>> I do not guarantee that all posts will be on the above
>> web page, but check for a complete quote of your post,
>> and perhaps a description of how the quoted post and
>> others by the same author are patently false and/or
>> posted
>> only with the intent to create intense conflict.
>
>Hey ! You left off the bit about the previous poster being a liar. How
>can one expect flames to go on forever if you leave off such
>"necessary" and "inflammatory" comments ?
Sorry.
>
>You WHAT ? You *meant* to leave that off ? Pity some of the
>pro-paranormalists don't take a lesson from your actions. :-)
>
Now, don't pick on John, and Dan, and Earl they are having a
hard time making alt.paranormal safe for flames and spam!
>Regards, John.
>
Regards.
> ****************************************************
> ,-._|\ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne, Australia.
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>
Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes,
Dan Kettler
John Fitzsimons <jo...@melbpc.org.au> wrote in article
<3547d7ae...@news.melbpc.org.au>...
> On Sat, 18 Apr 1998 16:32:14 GMT, twi...@worldnet.att.net wrote:
> >John.M...@ghostrdr.wierius.com (John Mcgowan) wrote:
> Hey ! You left off the bit about the previous poster being a liar. How
> can one expect flames to go on forever if you leave off such
> "necessary" and "inflammatory" comments ?
Many don't read alt.paranormal with an
excess of rotten posts.
Your writing could be wrong.
We won't argue with you now.
Check out:
http://www . psicounsel. com/ dissent.html
We sometimes answer at this URL.
You are either lying or flaming.
alt.paranormal . moderated is heaven
compared to the hell of a.p. We would
like to bring some fresh air in a.p.,
and clear out the stink.
John Fitzsimons
On Tue, 21 Apr 1998 06:10:15 -0400, "Dan Kettler"
<dan@psicounselSPAM_YOT.com> wrote:
>John Fitzsimons <jo...@melbpc.org.au> wrote in article
><3547d7ae...@news.melbpc.org.au>...
>> On Sat, 18 Apr 1998 16:32:14 GMT, twi...@worldnet.att.net wrote:
>> >John.M...@ghostrdr.wierius.com (John Mcgowan) wrote:
>> Hey ! You left off the bit about the previous poster being a liar. How
>> can one expect flames to go on forever if you leave off such
>> "necessary" and "inflammatory" comments ?
< usual boilerplate rubbish snipped >
> You are either lying or flaming.
THAT'S more like it. We wouldn't want people to (erroneously) think
that you wanted to actually *reduce* conflict here now would we ? :-)
Regards, John.
Dan Kettler
> On Tue, 21 Apr 1998 06:10:15 -0400, "Dan Kettler"
> <dan@psicounselSPAM_YOT.com> wrote:
> >John Fitzsimons <jo...@melbpc.org.au> wrote in article
> ><3547d7ae...@news.melbpc.org.au>...
> >> On Sat, 18 Apr 1998 16:32:14 GMT, twi...@worldnet.att.net wrote:
> >> >John.M...@ghostrdr.wierius.com (John Mcgowan) wrote:
> ....previous poster being a liar...you leave off such...<snip>
> ...actually *reduce* conflict here...<snip>
To avoid such hostility, people reading
this are advised to read and post to
alt.paranormal.moderated.
The posting is probably disputable, but to avoid
adding conflict to the newsgroup, it is not
being disputed here in this post.
Please access
http://www.psicounsel.com/dissent.html
It is possible that your post, with a reply,
will be on the WEB PAGE. Not all posts will
be placed or replied to.
Inflammatory -- could produce anger
and more flames
Lie -- something that is not true.
This note indicates that one, or both,
of the above two is what your post consists
of.
twi...@worldnet.att.net
"Dan Kettler" <dan@psicounselSPAM_YOT.com> wrote:
> John Fitzsimons <jo...@melbpc.org.au> wrote in article
><3553e193...@news.melbpc.org.au>...
>> On Tue, 21 Apr 1998 06:10:15 -0400, "Dan Kettler"
>> <dan@psicounselSPAM_YOT.com> wrote:
>> >John Fitzsimons <jo...@melbpc.org.au> wrote in article
>> ><3547d7ae...@news.melbpc.org.au>...
>> >> On Sat, 18 Apr 1998 16:32:14 GMT, twi...@worldnet.att.net wrote:
>> >> >John.M...@ghostrdr.wierius.com (John Mcgowan) wrote:
>
>> ....previous poster being a liar...you leave off such...<snip>
>
>> ...actually *reduce* conflict here...<snip>
>
> To avoid such hostility
Go to Dan the Spamming man's web site and see how funny the
paranormal can be.
Charles Gregory
John Fitzsimons (jo...@melbpc.org.au) wrote:
: THAT'S more like it. We wouldn't want people to (erroneously) think
: that you wanted to actually *reduce* conflict here now would we ? :-)
Screw you too again.
(hope I picked the right one)
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ab...@freenet.hamilton.on.ca (Charles Gregory) wrote:
>John Fitzsimons (jo...@melbpc.org.au) wrote:
>: THAT'S more like it. We wouldn't want people to (erroneously) think
>: that you wanted to actually *reduce* conflict here now would we ? :-)
>
>Screw you too again.
>
>(hope I picked the right one)
>
It depends, Charles. What hole were you trying for?
Charles Gregory
twi...@worldnet.att.net wrote:
: ab...@freenet.hamilton.on.ca (Charles Gregory) wrote:
: >Screw you too again.
: >(hope I picked the right one)
: >
: It depends, Charles. What hole were you trying for?
The one in your head. (you asked)
_anonym™
Not the one in your ass, with your head shoved so far up it?
The topic here is the paranormal, so get on topic or get the fuck out.
Anybody have any good url's of sites with pictures of ectoplasm?
twi...@worldnet.att.net
ab...@freenet.hamilton.on.ca (Charles Gregory) wrote:
>twi...@worldnet.att.net wrote:
>: ab...@freenet.hamilton.on.ca (Charles Gregory) wrote:
>: >Screw you too again.
>: >(hope I picked the right one)
>: >
>: It depends, Charles. What hole were you trying for?
>
>The one in your head. (you asked)
>
>
Hey, Charles. That is an off-topic flame.
Why hasn't anyone won the Randi Challenge?