According to Garrick Alder ( Fortean Times FT129 http://www.forteantimes.com ) , if you place a (raw ) liver on a flat surface, 4 - 8" away from a glass of milk, go away for about 45mins and then return, you will observe that the liver has 'crept' its way to the glass.... leaving a trail of blood in its' path!
Being a vegetarian, I wouldn't really get the chance to see this happen.
Anyone care to do this experiment and lt us know what happens?
> According to Garrick Alder ( Fortean Times FT129 http://www.forteantimes.com ) , > if you place a (raw ) liver on a flat surface, 4 - 8" away from a glass of milk, go away > for about 45mins and then return, you will observe that the liver has 'crept' its way > to the glass.... leaving a trail of blood in its' path!
> Being a vegetarian, I wouldn't really get the chance to see this happen.
> Anyone care to do this experiment and lt us know what happens?
>> if you place a (raw ) liver on a flat surface, 4 - 8" away from a glass of milk, go away >> for about 45mins and then return, you will observe that the liver has 'crept' its way >> to the glass.... leaving a trail of blood in its' path!
>> Being a vegetarian, I wouldn't really get the chance to see this happen.
>> Anyone care to do this experiment and lt us know what happens?
Being an omnivore who rather likes liver, I wouldn't want to waste a decent cut of meat by leaving it out for 45 minutes like that. That's enough time for a couple of division cycles by bacteria. Yuck.
> I am also amazed at how stupid this was, but then I noticed the name of the > author.
> >Dan
> >Lucianarchy wrote:
> >> According to Garrick Alder ( Fortean Times FT129 > http://www.forteantimes.com ) , > >> if you place a (raw ) liver on a flat surface, 4 - 8" away from a glass > of milk, go away > >> for about 45mins and then return, you will observe that the liver has > 'crept' its way > >> to the glass.... leaving a trail of blood in its' path!
> >> Being a vegetarian, I wouldn't really get the chance to see this happen.
> >> Anyone care to do this experiment and lt us know what happens?
> Being an omnivore who rather likes liver, I wouldn't want to waste a decent > cut of meat by leaving it out for 45 minutes like that. That's enough time > for a couple of division cycles by bacteria. Yuck.
I think you were deeply scarred by the whole Jello thing --- you need to get in touch with your feelings about that episode...
> I am also amazed at how stupid this was, but then I noticed the name of the > author.
"All truth passes through 3 stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." -- Schopenhauer
> >Lucianarchy wrote:
> >> According to Garrick Alder ( Fortean Times FT129 http://www.forteantimes.com ) , > >> if you place a (raw ) liver on a flat surface, 4 - 8" away from a glass of milk, go away > >> for about 45mins and then return, you will observe that the liver has 'crept' its way > >> to the glass.... leaving a trail of blood in its' path!
> >> Being a vegetarian, I wouldn't really get the chance to see this happen.
> >> Anyone care to do this experiment and let us know what happens?
> Being an omnivore who rather likes liver, I wouldn't want to waste a decent > cut of meat by leaving it out for 45 minutes like that.
Considering you're a Professor of Biology, that's the weakest excuse for not undertaking an experiment I have *ever* seen.
> That's enough time for a couple of division cycles by bacteria. Yuck.
Lucianarchy wrote: > > I am also amazed at how stupid this was, but then I noticed the name of the > > author.
> "All truth passes through 3 stages. > First, it is ridiculed. > Second, it is violently opposed. > Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." -- Schopenhauer
So let us know when walking liver becomes self-evident.
And notice that your stupidity is already in the third phase.
>> I am also amazed at how stupid this was, but then I noticed the name of the >> author.
>> >Dan
>> >Lucianarchy wrote:
>> >> According to Garrick Alder ( Fortean Times FT129 >> http://www.forteantimes.com ) , >> >> if you place a (raw ) liver on a flat surface, 4 - 8" away from a glass >> of milk, go away >> >> for about 45mins and then return, you will observe that the liver has >> 'crept' its way >> >> to the glass.... leaving a trail of blood in its' path!
>> >> Being a vegetarian, I wouldn't really get the chance to see this happen.
>> >> Anyone care to do this experiment and lt us know what happens?
>> Being an omnivore who rather likes liver, I wouldn't want to waste a decent >> cut of meat by leaving it out for 45 minutes like that. That's enough time >> for a couple of division cycles by bacteria. Yuck.
>I think you were deeply scarred by the whole Jello thing --- you need to get >in touch with your feelings about that episode...
That's true -- I was sooooo disappointed, and now I'm afraid to see my hopes dashed again.
OK. Next time I fix liver, I'll slice off a little fragment and put it near a glass of milk to see what happens. I'll feel really stupid, but I'll do it anyway.
Of course, now what I need to know is...whole or skim? Does it make a difference?
> According to Garrick Alder ( Fortean Times FT129 http://www.forteantimes.com ) , > if you place a (raw ) liver on a flat surface, 4 - 8" away from a glass of milk, go away > for about 45mins and then return, you will observe that the liver has 'crept' its way > to the glass.... leaving a trail of blood in its' path!
What kind of liver? Cow liver? Goose liver? I can think of a "psychic" whose liver could slither towards a bottle of cheap scotch!
>> if you place a (raw ) liver on a flat surface, 4 - 8" away from a glass of milk, go away >> for about 45mins and then return, you will observe that the liver has 'crept' its way >> to the glass.... leaving a trail of blood in its' path!
>What kind of liver? Cow liver? Goose liver? I can think of a "psychic" >whose liver could slither towards a bottle of cheap scotch!
Hmm... does the name Giwer sound right?
-- "I am an agitator, and an agitator is the center post in a washing machine that gets the dirt out." Jim Hightower
> In article <382F42D5.6...@yahoo.com>, loumina...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >Lucianarchy wrote:
> >> According to Garrick Alder ( Fortean Times FT129 > http://www.forteantimes.com ) , > >> if you place a (raw ) liver on a flat surface, 4 - 8" away from a glass > of milk, go away > >> for about 45mins and then return, you will observe that the liver has > 'crept' its way > >> to the glass.... leaving a trail of blood in its' path!
> >What kind of liver? Cow liver? Goose liver? I can think of a "psychic" > >whose liver could slither towards a bottle of cheap scotch!
> Hmm... does the name Giwer sound right?
Nope. I was thinking of a deranged "psychic", not a deranged neo-nazi. The "psychic" I'm thinking of was a truly vile person, but he wasn't a racist.
>>> According to Garrick Alder ( Fortean Times FT129 >http://www.forteantimes.com ) , >>> if you place a (raw ) liver on a flat surface, 4 - 8" away from a glass >of milk, go away >>> for about 45mins and then return, you will observe that the liver has >'crept' its way >>> to the glass.... leaving a trail of blood in its' path!
>>What kind of liver? Cow liver? Goose liver? I can think of a "psychic" >>whose liver could slither towards a bottle of cheap scotch!
>Hmm... does the name Giwer sound right?
No, but the infamous nomenclature of Earl Gordon Curley rings true.
On Sun, 14 Nov 1999, Lucianarchy wrote: > PZ Myers <my...@netaxs.com> wrote > > In article <382E6D72.71331...@ns.vvm.com>, Dan Pressnell > > <dpres...@ns.vvm.com> wrote:
> > I am also amazed at how stupid this was, but then I noticed the name of the > > author.
> "All truth passes through 3 stages. > First, it is ridiculed. > Second, it is violently opposed. > Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." -- Schopenhauer
"And then there's goofy shit, which never gets past stage 1." -- Vincent Gruber, Schopenhauer's neighbor
-- Jim Phillips, jphil...@bcpl.net "Once again decent citizens will be able to enter this house of worship, kneel down in front of a nearly-naked man hanging from a wooden apparatus by a series of gruesome body piercings, and engage in their bizarre practices of ritualized blood-drinking and cannibalism without being assaulted by graphic images of attractive young women with bare breasts". -- A. Whitney Brown, "The Daily Show"
>>>> According to Garrick Alder ( Fortean Times FT129 >>http://www.forteantimes.com ) , >>>> if you place a (raw ) liver on a flat surface, 4 - 8" away from a glass >>of milk, go away >>>> for about 45mins and then return, you will observe that the liver has >>'crept' its way >>>> to the glass.... leaving a trail of blood in its' path!
>>>What kind of liver? Cow liver? Goose liver? I can think of a "psychic" >>>whose liver could slither towards a bottle of cheap scotch!
>>Hmm... does the name Giwer sound right?
>No, but the infamous nomenclature of Earl Gordon Curley rings true.
John Atkinson's confusion is easily understood when you consider how close 'psychic' and 'psychotic' are to one another. Giwer would have been my first guess as well (although enough has been posted on Curley to make the two to seem like clones in some respects).
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> > I am also amazed at how stupid this was, but then I noticed the name of the > > author.
> "All truth passes through 3 stages. > First, it is ridiculed. > Second, it is violently opposed. > Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." -- Schopenhauer
"All kooks pass through 3 stages. First, they make silly claims with no evidence. Second, ignore any evidence to the contrary. Third, they quote famous people in a pathetically transparent attempt to distract people from noticing that they've just passed through stages one and two." - Me
> Lucianarchy wrote in message > <80lq92$qc...@lure.pipex.net>... > >According to Garrick Alder ( Fortean Times FT129 > http://www.forteantimes.com ) , > >if you place a (raw ) liver on a flat surface, 4 - 8" away > from a glass of milk, go away > >for about 45mins and then return, you will observe that the > liver has 'crept' its way > >to the glass.... leaving a trail of blood in its' path!
> >Being a vegetarian, I wouldn't really get the chance to see > this happen.
> >Anyone care to do this experiment and lt us know what > happens?
> Tried it.
> You know what, in _less_ than 45 minutes my cat crept its > way up to the liver and ate it - so I drank the glass of > milk.
> Spooky or what?
> I can only assume that whoever performed the original > experiments must have been a scientist of a rather different > kidney.
> (Cue cascade of absolutely offal puns)
> Ian H Spedding
I think that the original performer may have neglected to tell us that he performed the experiment - take your pick - on a ship in rough seas, during an earthquake, on an inclined plane (very scientific, you know), with a fishing string hooked into the liver on one side of the glass and to a cat on the other side of the glass.
<ianspedd...@picklesnet.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: >Lucianarchy wrote in message ><80lq92$qc...@lure.pipex.net>... >>According to Garrick Alder ( Fortean Times FT129 >http://www.forteantimes.com ) , >>if you place a (raw ) liver on a flat surface, 4 - 8" away >from a glass of milk, go away >>for about 45mins and then return, you will observe that the >liver has 'crept' its way >>to the glass.... leaving a trail of blood in its' path!
>>Being a vegetarian, I wouldn't really get the chance to see >this happen.
>>Anyone care to do this experiment and lt us know what >happens?
>Tried it.
>You know what, in _less_ than 45 minutes my cat crept its >way up to the liver and ate it - so I drank the glass of >milk.
Oooh. Fortunately, I have a cat who doesn't seem to care for red meat much at all. If this experiment required tuna, though, it would never work. Or do you think tuna would need to be put in a pot of water so it would swim towards the milk?
>Spooky or what?
>I can only assume that whoever performed the original >experiments must have been a scientist of a rather different >kidney.
Or had a gutless cat that lacked the stomach for theft.
On Mon, 15 Nov 1999, PZ Myers wrote: > In article <80ps03$cq...@news4.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Ian H Spedding" > <ianspedd...@picklesnet.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> >Lucianarchy wrote in message > ><80lq92$qc...@lure.pipex.net>... > >>According to Garrick Alder ( Fortean Times FT129 > >http://www.forteantimes.com ) , > >>if you place a (raw ) liver on a flat surface, 4 - 8" away > >from a glass of milk, go away > >>for about 45mins and then return, you will observe that the > >liver has 'crept' its way > >>to the glass.... leaving a trail of blood in its' path!
> >>Being a vegetarian, I wouldn't really get the chance to see > >this happen.
> >>Anyone care to do this experiment and lt us know what > >happens?
> >Tried it.
> >You know what, in _less_ than 45 minutes my cat crept its > >way up to the liver and ate it - so I drank the glass of > >milk.
> Oooh. Fortunately, I have a cat who doesn't seem to care for > red meat much at all. If this experiment required tuna, though, > it would never work. Or do you think tuna would need to be put in > a pot of water so it would swim towards the milk?
It depends--was the tuna fish in spring water, or oil?
snip (we don't need anymore pun cascades around here!)
-- Jim Phillips, jphil...@bcpl.net "Once again decent citizens will be able to enter this house of worship, kneel down in front of a nearly-naked man hanging from a wooden apparatus by a series of gruesome body piercings, and engage in their bizarre practices of ritualized blood-drinking and cannibalism without being assaulted by graphic images of attractive young women with bare breasts". -- A. Whitney Brown, "The Daily Show"
>> Lucianarchy wrote in message >> <80lq92$qc...@lure.pipex.net>... >> >According to Garrick Alder ( Fortean Times FT129 >> http://www.forteantimes.com ) , >> >if you place a (raw ) liver on a flat surface, 4 - 8" away >> from a glass of milk, go away >> >for about 45mins and then return, you will observe that the >> liver has 'crept' its way >> >to the glass.... leaving a trail of blood in its' path!
>> >Being a vegetarian, I wouldn't really get the chance to see >> this happen.
>> >Anyone care to do this experiment and lt us know what >> happens?
>> Tried it.
>> You know what, in _less_ than 45 minutes my cat crept its >> way up to the liver and ate it - so I drank the glass of >> milk.
>> Spooky or what?
>> I can only assume that whoever performed the original >> experiments must have been a scientist of a rather different >> kidney.
>> (Cue cascade of absolutely offal puns)
>> Ian H Spedding
> I think that the original performer may have neglected to tell us that he >performed the experiment - take your pick - on a ship in rough seas, during >an earthquake, on an inclined plane (very scientific, you know), with a >fishing string hooked into the liver on one side of the glass and to a cat >on the other side of the glass.
I don't get it. I read it, and re-read it, but I just couldn't get the puns in that comment.
As for the methodology...I favor the idea that the liver was from a cow with hemochromatosis, and that a magnet was hidden in the glass of milk.
> >> Lucianarchy wrote in message > >> <80lq92$qc...@lure.pipex.net>... > >> >According to Garrick Alder ( Fortean Times FT129 > >> http://www.forteantimes.com ) , > >> >if you place a (raw ) liver on a flat surface, 4 - 8" away > >> from a glass of milk, go away > >> >for about 45mins and then return, you will observe that the > >> liver has 'crept' its way > >> >to the glass.... leaving a trail of blood in its' path!
> >> >Being a vegetarian, I wouldn't really get the chance to see > >> this happen.
> >> >Anyone care to do this experiment and lt us know what > >> happens?
> >> Tried it.
> >> You know what, in _less_ than 45 minutes my cat crept its > >> way up to the liver and ate it - so I drank the glass of > >> milk.
> >> Spooky or what?
> >> I can only assume that whoever performed the original > >> experiments must have been a scientist of a rather different > >> kidney.
> >> (Cue cascade of absolutely offal puns)
> >> Ian H Spedding
> > I think that the original performer may have neglected to tell us that he > >performed the experiment - take your pick - on a ship in rough seas, during > >an earthquake, on an inclined plane (very scientific, you know), with a > >fishing string hooked into the liver on one side of the glass and to a cat > >on the other side of the glass.
> I don't get it. I read it, and re-read it, but I just couldn't get the puns > in that comment.
I say, I say, sonny. This there reply wan't made to be funny. Now get on back to your chicken hawkin'.
>You've got a lot of gall doing this behind Richard's back.
I think the gall would be found in front of Richard's back. I've got this visceral feeling that one shouldn't dabble in a cascade of guts if one isn't perfectly comfortable with anatomy.
> In article <80qff1$ai...@nw001t.infi.net>, > "tdela...@infi.net"@sbt.infi.net wrote:
> >PZ Myers wrote:
> ><snip>
> >> >(Cue cascade of absolutely offal puns)
> >> What puns? Ex-spleen yourself!
> >You've got a lot of gall doing this behind Richard's back.
> I think the gall would be found in front of Richard's back. I've got this > visceral feeling that one shouldn't dabble in a cascade of guts if one > isn't perfectly comfortable with anatomy.
Of all the ... er, effrontery!
I'll bet you're thinking: "Boy, I sure wrecked him, didn't I?" (You knew, of course, that in the end it would come to this?)
> >You've got a lot of gall doing this behind Richard's back.
> I think the gall would be found in front of Richard's back. I've got this > visceral feeling that one shouldn't dabble in a cascade of guts if one > isn't perfectly comfortable with anatomy.
You should prostrate yourself in front of people to beg their forgiveness after that one.
>> >You've got a lot of gall doing this behind Richard's back.
>> I think the gall would be found in front of Richard's back. I've got this >> visceral feeling that one shouldn't dabble in a cascade of guts if one >> isn't perfectly comfortable with anatomy.
>You should prostrate yourself in front of people to beg their >forgiveness after that one.
After that one, it should be obvious that I have no pride and no shame, so begging forgiveness is out of the question.
