New announcement about the Randi Challenge
Phil Harrison
From:
http://www.randi.org/jr/4198announce.html
"Over the years, several psychics have excused themselves from trying
for the prize with the objection that the cash has not been easily
accessible. To satisfy this objection, we've purchased ten $100,000
U.S. Treasury bonds -- immediately negotiable instruments -- held in a
special account for this specific purpose. There now can be no
impediment whatsoever to the thousands of psychics worldwide making
immediate application to take the prize -- unless, of course, they don't
have the powers they claim. "
Have fun you guys.....
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bb
Phil Harrison <phar...@ramtop.demon.co.uk> wrote in article
<QSGDzBAB...@ramtop.demon.co.uk>...
>
> From:
> http://www.randi.org/jr/4198announce.html
( snipped for no reason particularly )
>..... we've purchased ten $100,000
> U.S. Treasury bonds -- ........There now can be no
> impediment whatsoever to the thousands of psychics worldwide making
> immediate application to take the prize -- unless, of course, they don't
> have the powers they claim. "
I'm up for it. Any one else?
LaP
bbxxxx
Phil Harrison
In article <01bd6404$90956ac0$61f882c1@hp-pavilion>, bb
<yb...@dial.pipex.com> writes
Further details at:
http://www.randi.org/jr/chall.html
Dan Pressnell
In article <QSGDzBAB...@ramtop.demon.co.uk>,
Phil Harrison <phar...@ramtop.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> From:
> http://www.randi.org/jr/4198announce.html
>
> "Over the years, several psychics have excused themselves from trying
> for the prize with the objection that the cash has not been easily
> accessible. To satisfy this objection, we've purchased ten $100,000
> U.S. Treasury bonds -- immediately negotiable instruments -- held in a
Everybody knows that U.S. Treasury bonds have a symbol on them that inhibits
psychic powers!
Don't fall for it, folks! It's all a big trick, engineered by the
SKEP-TI-CULT!
Dan
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Lou Minatti™
Phil Harrison wrote:
>
> From:
> http://www.randi.org/jr/4198announce.html
>
> "Over the years, several psychics have excused themselves from trying
> for the prize with the objection that the cash has not been easily
> accessible. To satisfy this objection, we've purchased ten $100,000
> U.S. Treasury bonds -- immediately negotiable instruments -- held in a
> impediment whatsoever to the thousands of psychics worldwide making
> immediate application to take the prize -- unless, of course, they don't
> have the powers they claim. "
>
Don't worry. Believers will create a new excuse for not taking The
Challenge. Next they'll demand the million, in cash, to be stacked in a
pile at the location of the test. So many excuses, but never any action!
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dpre...@ns.vvm.com (Dan Pressnell) wrote:
>In article <QSGDzBAB...@ramtop.demon.co.uk>,
> Phil Harrison <phar...@ramtop.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From:
>> http://www.randi.org/jr/4198announce.html
>>
>> "Over the years, several psychics have excused themselves from trying
>> for the prize with the objection that the cash has not been easily
>> accessible. To satisfy this objection, we've purchased ten $100,000
>> U.S. Treasury bonds -- immediately negotiable instruments -- held in a
>
>Everybody knows that U.S. Treasury bonds have a symbol on them that inhibits
>psychic powers!
>
It is in the ink.
Charlie Stott
> Don't worry. Believers will create a new excuse for not taking The
> Challenge. Next they'll demand the million, in cash, to be stacked in
> a pile at the location of the test. So many excuses, but never any
> action!
Here it is:
Maybe, just maybe, psychics have learnt that true value is exchanged in
love, and not money (bonds, pledges, etc. included).
Maybe you should offer a prize that we might find valuable!
Before replying, please make a distinction in your mind between true and
claimed psychics.
Dan Pressnell
In article <35322255...@nospam.cheerful.com>,
chuc...@nospam.cheerful.com wrote:
>
> > Don't worry. Believers will create a new excuse for not taking The
> > Challenge. Next they'll demand the million, in cash, to be stacked in
> > a pile at the location of the test. So many excuses, but never any
> > action!
>
> Here it is:
>
> Maybe, just maybe, psychics have learnt that true value is exchanged in
> love, and not money (bonds, pledges, etc. included).
Funny. Some psychics say they won't take the challenge because they don't
think they will really get the money.
>
> Maybe you should offer a prize that we might find valuable!
So write to Randi and tell him you don't want the money, just a few love
beads, and I'm sure he'll go along with it.
Phil Harrison
In article <35322255...@nospam.cheerful.com>, Charlie Stott
<chuc...@nospam.cheerful.com> writes
>
>Maybe, just maybe, psychics have learnt that true value is exchanged in
>love, and not money (bonds, pledges, etc. included).
>
>
think of all the charities that you could help, or all the paranormal
research projects you could sponsor.
>Before replying, please make a distinction in your mind between true and
>claimed psychics.
Well I would say that the distinction lies in the evidence they can
produce to back up their claims.
Lou Minatti™
Charlie Stott wrote:
>
> > Don't worry. Believers will create a new excuse for not taking The
> > Challenge. Next they'll demand the million, in cash, to be stacked in
> > a pile at the location of the test. So many excuses, but never any
> > action!
>
> Here it is:
>
> love, and not money (bonds, pledges, etc. included).
Think of all the needy children you could help with that million
dollars. Now THAT'S love.
> Maybe you should offer a prize that we might find valuable!
You can improve the life of so many needy kids. Just by passing a simple
test.
> Before replying, please make a distinction in your mind between true and
> claimed psychics.
I believe there are two types of psychics: Outright frauds, and those
who honestly believe they have supernatural powers. Most psychics are
honest. Misguided, but honest.
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Dan Mckinnon
Charlie Stott <chuc...@nospam.cheerful.com> wrote:
> Before replying, please make a distinction in your mind between true and
> claimed psychics.
You still don't realize that to a skeptic there is none?
Both are _claimed_ "psychics".
Dan
Earl Curley
Lou Minatti™ wrote:
>
> Charlie Stott wrote:
> >
> > > Don't worry. Believers will create a new excuse for not taking The
> > > Challenge. Next they'll demand the million, in cash, to be stacked in
> > > a pile at the location of the test. So many excuses, but never any
> > > action!
> >
> > Here it is:
> >
> > Maybe, just maybe, psychics have learnt that true value is exchanged in
> > love, and not money (bonds, pledges, etc. included).
>
> Think of all the needy children you could help with that million
> dollars. Now THAT'S love.
>
> > Maybe you should offer a prize that we might find valuable!
>
> You can improve the life of so many needy kids. Just by passing a simple
> test.
>
> > claimed psychics.
>
> who honestly believe they have supernatural powers. Most psychics are
> honest. Misguided, but honest.
ROTFLMGO. Scott, you out did yourself with that last statement. Okay.
Would you please post the original post of Randi's that states that he
has gained 10 security bonds (or whatever) in the amounts of $100,000?
I need the information for future reference. Thanks.
Earl Curley
earlc...@hotmail.com
http://www.webdesign.ca/
Lou Minatti™
Why don't you go to his site and look it up yourself?
Matt Kriebel
In article <35345C...@hotmail.com>, earlc...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > Why don't you go to his site and look it up yourself?
>
>
> The quoted inflammatory posting is NOT undisputed,
> but is considered not worth wasting bandwidth on
> this newsgroup. Please access
>
> http://www.psicounsel.com/dissent.html
>
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What a coward.
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Chaotica
On Wed, 15 Apr 1998 03:07:26 -0400, Earl Curley
<earlc...@hotmail.com> spooged:
> The quoted inflammatory posting is NOT undisputed,
> but is considered not worth wasting bandwidth on
> this newsgroup. Please access
>
> http://www.psicounsel.com/dissent.html
>
> I do not guarantee that all posts will be on the above
> web page, but check for a complete quote of your post,
> and perhaps a description of how the quoted post and
> others by the same author are patently false and/or posted
> only with the intent to create intense conflict.
Do I smell SPAM? I sure do!
Brought to you by:
>Earl Curley
>earlc...@hotmail.com
>http://www.webdesign.ca/
Curls, just as soon as your sorry ass posts enough of these, I'm going
to forward the lot to Hotmail, and then to Globalserve, which is, I
believe, where you're posting from.
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Phil Harrison
In article <3534c78d....@news.labyrinth.net>, Chaotica
<chao...@hempseed.com> writes
>Curls, just as soon as your sorry ass posts enough of these, I'm going
>to forward the lot to Hotmail, and then to Globalserve, which is, I
>believe, where you're posting from.
Yup:
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Earl Curley
Lou Minatti™ wrote:
> Earl Curley wrote:
> > Lou Minatti™ wrote:
> > > Charlie Stott wrote:
> > > > Here it is:
The quoted inflammatory posting is NOT undisputed,
but is considered not worth wasting bandwidth on
this newsgroup. Please access
http://www.psicounsel.com/dissent.html
I do not guarantee that all posts will be on the above
web page, but check for a complete quote of your post,
and perhaps a description of how the quoted post and
others by the same author are patently false and/or posted
only with the intent to create intense conflict.
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Earl Curley
Chaotica wrote:
> Do I smell SPAM? I sure do!
> Curls, just as soon as your sorry ass posts enough of these, I'm going
> to forward the lot to Hotmail, and then to Globalserve, which is, I
> believe, where you're posting from.
> -
> Chaotica
twi...@worldnet.att.net
Earl Curley <earlc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Chaotica wrote:
>
>> Do I smell SPAM? I sure do!
Yep. Spam and Earl.
Sort of like Ham and Eggs.
Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes,
our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot
alter the state of facts and evidence.
Charles Gregory
Lou Minatti™ (lou-m...@usa.net) wrote:
: > Before replying, please make a distinction in your mind between true and
: > claimed psychics.
: I believe there are two types of psychics: Outright frauds, and those
: who honestly believe they have supernatural powers. Most psychics are
: honest. Misguided, but honest.
I use 'psychic' as a technical term to mean that the individual is
possessed of a mental ability (controllable or not) which produces the
effects of extra-sensory perception or telekinesis (and offshoots). A
'fraud' who *claims* to be a psychic is not. A person who has deluded
themselves into *believing* that they have psychic abilties is not a
psychic either. Only if someone has this ability can they be called 'a
real psychic'.
Once we make this distinction, it is reasonable to asusme that a person
with psychic abilities is no more or less honest than any other
human being on a per-capita basis.
The association of 'dishonesty' with 'psychic' is because of the rampant
unchecked proliferation of frauds masquerading as 'psychic advisors'.
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Chaotica (chao...@hempseed.com) wrote:
: On Wed, 15 Apr 1998 03:07:26 -0400, Earl Curley
: <earlc...@hotmail.com> spooged:
: > The quoted inflammatory posting is NOT undisputed,
: Curls, just as soon as your sorry ass posts enough of these, I'm going
: to forward the lot to Hotmail, and then to Globalserve, which is, I
: believe, where you're posting from.
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In article <6h55oa$r7l$7...@mohawk.hwcn.org>,
ab...@freenet.hamilton.on.ca (Charles Gregory) wrote:
> -------- Notice of Silent Objection -------
Your silence is not so silent.
Why are you playing this silly game?
Lou Minatti™
Charles Gregory wrote:
>
> Lou Minatti™ (lou-m...@usa.net) wrote:
> : > Before replying, please make a distinction in your mind between true and
> : > claimed psychics.
>
> : I believe there are two types of psychics: Outright frauds, and those
> : who honestly believe they have supernatural powers. Most psychics are
> : honest. Misguided, but honest.
>
> I use 'psychic' as a technical term to mean that the individual is
> possessed of a mental ability (controllable or not) which produces the
> effects of extra-sensory perception or telekinesis (and offshoots). A
> 'fraud' who *claims* to be a psychic is not. A person who has deluded
> themselves into *believing* that they have psychic abilties is not a
> psychic either. Only if someone has this ability can they be called 'a
> real psychic'.
The key word in that paragraph is "if". Until sincere psychics can prove
their claims in a controlled setting, using rigorous testing methods,
that key word will remain. So far, no dice.
One would think that sincere psychics would be rushing to prove their
claims. Fantastic things could be accomplished if certain humans truly
had supernatural powers. Rigorous, honest tests would do wonders for
their careers.
> Once we make this distinction, it is reasonable to asusme that a person
> with psychic abilities is no more or less honest than any other
> human being on a per-capita basis.
>
> The association of 'dishonesty' with 'psychic' is because of the rampant
> unchecked proliferation of frauds masquerading as 'psychic advisors'.
Do you have anyone in mind?
d...@psicounsel.com
In article <6h2ld3$4...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>,
twi...@worldnet.att.net wrote:
> Earl Curley <earlc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >Chaotica wrote:
....your sorry ass posts enough of
these, I'm going to forward the lot
to Hotmail, and then to Globalserve...
Chaotica
The quoted inflammatory posting is NOT undisputed,
but is considered not worth wasting bandwidth on
this newsgroup. Please access
http://www.psicounsel.com/dissent.html
I do not guarantee that all posts will be on the above
web page, but check for a quote of your post,
and perhaps a description of how the quoted post and
others by the same author are patently false and/or posted
only with the intent to create intense conflict.
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John Mcgowan
* While speaking of New announcement about the Randi Challenge on 13 Apr 98 04
Charlie Stott Replied in the following manner:
CS> From: Charlie Stott <chuc...@nospam.cheerful.com> Subject: Re: New
CS> announcement about the Randi Challenge
> Don't worry. Believers will create a new excuse for not taking The
> Challenge. Next they'll demand the million, in cash, to be stacked in
> a pile at the location of the test. So many excuses, but never any
> action!
CS> Here it is:
CS> Maybe, just maybe, psychics have learnt that true value is exchanged
CS> in love, and not money (bonds, pledges, etc. included).
CS> Maybe you should offer a prize that we might find valuable!
CS> Before replying, please make a distinction in your mind between true
CS> and claimed psychics.
:) This garbage never ceases to amaze me. First, the Believers need no new
reasons not to take the challenge, they still see it as being fixed and with
good reasons. Only dreamers and frauds try to best Randi at his game, they go
into it with out a clue and being the showman Randi is, he sees them coming.
The Psychics are just smarter than Randi. They know there is no benefit it
taking his challenge, for they know he already has the outcome set. :)
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Jon Walsh
John.M...@ghostrdr.wierius.com (John Mcgowan) writes:
> :) This garbage never ceases to amaze me. First, the Believers need no new
> reasons not to take the challenge, they still see it as being fixed and with
> good reasons. Only dreamers and frauds try to best Randi at his game, they go
> into it with out a clue and being the showman Randi is, he sees them coming.
I'm wondering when Randi is going to let LectricEd take the challenge.
He seems to have let his Chicken's out's.
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Lou Minatti™
John Mcgowan wrote:
>
> * While speaking of New announcement about the Randi Challenge on 13 Apr 98 04
> Charlie Stott Replied in the following manner:
> CS> From: Charlie Stott <chuc...@nospam.cheerful.com> Subject: Re: New
> CS> announcement about the Randi Challenge
>
> > Don't worry. Believers will create a new excuse for not taking The
> > Challenge. Next they'll demand the million, in cash, to be stacked in
> > a pile at the location of the test. So many excuses, but never any
> > action!
>
> CS> Here it is:
>
> CS> Maybe, just maybe, psychics have learnt that true value is exchanged
> CS> in love, and not money (bonds, pledges, etc. included).
>
> CS> Maybe you should offer a prize that we might find valuable!
>
> CS> Before replying, please make a distinction in your mind between true
> CS> and claimed psychics.
>
I agree. MQR® is garbage.
> First, the Believers need no new
> reasons not to take the challenge, they still see it as being fixed and with
> good reasons. Only dreamers and frauds try to best Randi at his game, they go
> into it with out a clue and being the showman Randi is, he sees them coming.
Coincidentally, every single person in the pro-paranormal camp falls
into one of two groups: dreamers or frauds. That's a fact.
> The Psychics are just smarter than Randi.
Really? Hmm. Well, I'm sure we'd all like to see that rigorous
scientific testing those "Psychics" (capitalized just for John) go
through. I mean, who should you trust? A scientist, or Billy Dee
Williams and his Psychic Hotline?
> They know there is no benefit it(sic)
> taking his challenge, for they know he already has the outcome set. :)
Only the outright frauds "know" this. They're too chicken shit to be
exposed. With good reason. And most of those sincere believers are
afraid that their pathetic superstitions will fall down like a house of
cards.
dr. digger
Charles Gregory wrote:
>The association of 'dishonesty' with 'psychic' is because of the rampant
>unchecked proliferation of frauds masquerading as 'psychic advisors'.
Thanks for this most astute observation!
As long as you insist on defending the frauds masquerading as "psychic
advisors", not to mention emulating them, there isn't very much to
differentiate you from them.. is there?
dr. digger, BsD
dr. digger
John Mcgowan wrote:
>:) This garbage never ceases to amaze me. First, the Believers need no new
>reasons not to take the challenge, they still see it as being fixed and with
>good reasons. Only dreamers and frauds try to best Randi at his game, they go
>into it with out a clue and being the showman Randi is, he sees them coming.
>
>The Psychics are just smarter than Randi. They know there is no benefit it
>taking his challenge, for they know he already has the outcome set. :)
I should know by now the futility of asking John Mcgowan for a
straight answer, especially when the smilies betray his deceitfulness,
but here goes:
How does Randi fix the outcome of the tests?
dr. digger
Charles Gregory
Lou Minatti™ (lou-m...@usa.net) wrote:
: One would think that sincere psychics would be rushing to prove their
: claims.
Those of us who have experienced the phenomena for 'real' have no 'claims'
to make. We saw what we saw, or felt what we felt, but we don't claim to
be able to do 'wonders' on demand.
: Fantastic things could be accomplished if certain humans truly
: had supernatural powers.
That is the thinking behind the attempt to discuss these experiences here.
Not 'personal profit', but the betterment of humanity.
: > The association of 'dishonesty' with 'psychic' is because of the rampant
: > unchecked proliferation of frauds masquerading as 'psychic advisors'.
: Do you have anyone in mind?
All 900 phone services. Anyone who charges money to 'tell the future' and
then rattles out 'cold readings'. Just about anyone who has a profit
motive driving their claims for 'powers'. In a nutshell, every nut that
has passed under Randi's magnifying glass. The man does a wonderful job
of 'clearing the field'. Pity there aren't more like him.....
Charles Gregory
Dan Pressnell (dpre...@ns.vvm.com) wrote:
: ab...@freenet.hamilton.on.ca (Charles Gregory) wrote:
: > -------- Notice of Silent Objection -------
: Your silence is not so silent.
: Why are you playing this silly game?
The 'silence' is the one heard when flamers run out of ways to make fun of
the notice and post short, polite notes like the one above.....
Now if I could talk *you* into posting these notices when *I* post my
rants at *you*, how long do you think it would be before *I* get bored and
stop posting responses to them?
Give it a try!
- Charles
Dan Pressnell
In article <6h9ccg$719$5...@mohawk.hwcn.org>,
ab...@freenet.hamilton.on.ca (Charles Gregory) wrote:
> Now if I could talk *you* into posting these notices when *I* post my
> rants at *you*, how long do you think it would be before *I* get bored and
> stop posting responses to them?
>
> Give it a try!
Oh, I see. Everybody has to follow your childish example.
Independent brains are not allowed. All brains must work as you tell them to.
Dan
Dan Pressnell
In article <6h9cqa$719$6...@mohawk.hwcn.org>,
ab...@freenet.hamilton.on.ca (Charles Gregory) wrote:
> motive driving their claims for 'powers'. In a nutshell, every nut that
> has passed under Randi's magnifying glass. The man does a wonderful job
> of 'clearing the field'. Pity there aren't more like him.....
And it's a pity that the world's many, many TRUE psychics never take the test.
That's the most amazing thing about the paranormal. Frauds and the deluded
rush to take the sest, but the genuine articles never seem to get around to
it.
twi...@worldnet.att.net
d...@psicounsel.com wrote:
>In article <6h2ld3$4...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>,
> twi...@worldnet.att.net wrote:
>
>> Earl Curley <earlc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >Chaotica wrote:
>
> ....your sorry ass posts enough of
> these, I'm going to forward the lot
> to Hotmail, and then to Globalserve...
> Chaotica
What a fascinating display, Dan.
twi...@worldnet.att.net
John.M...@ghostrdr.wierius.com (John Mcgowan) wrote:
<snip.
>The Psychics are just smarter than Randi. <snip>
This from a phony dowser who wouldn't take the Randi
challenge because Randi was so smart that John could never
possibly figure out how Randi could cheat!
>Twitch has learned not to quote at all, for he really bites the big one everytime he does.
Message-ID: <547_980...@ghostrdr.wierius.com>
Well, John, since you're so fond of my quoting, here are
some more:
>I (John Mcgowan) remember him (Earl) changing his original prediction in late
> February.
Message-Id: <f60_970...@ghostrdr.wierius.com>
John remembered Earl altering his original prediction.
> Earl admitted he was in error by readjusting his prediction.
Message-Id: <23a_970...@ghostrdr.wierius.com>
Earl admitted to John he altered the prediction.
> the prediction was never altered.
Message-Id: <10b_970...@ghostrdr.wierius.com>
But now John claims that the prediction was never altered.
Johnny, how did those nasty old skeptics and Randi alter
your memory and what Earl admitted to you?
Please post the message id where I bit the big one by
quoting, Johnny.
twi...@worldnet.att.net
bhe...@spamfree.polarnet.com.gov (dr. digger) wrote:
Now wait a minute, digger. John has stated that Randi is to
smart for him to catch!
Charles Gregory
John Mcgowan (John.M...@ghostrdr.wierius.com) wrote:
: :) This garbage never ceases to amaze me. First, the Believers need no new
: reasons not to take the challenge, they still see it as being fixed and with
: good reasons. Only dreamers and frauds try to best Randi at his game, they go
: into it with out a clue and being the showman Randi is, he sees them coming.
: The Psychics are just smarter than Randi. They know there is no benefit it
: taking his challenge, for they know he already has the outcome set. :)
While it is just *possible* that Randi 'fixes' the tests when it looks
like someone might pass them, this sort of thinking only lowers us to the
same level as the critics who always expect a 'successful' test to be a
fraud of some sort. I genuinely believe that Randi's work is sincere and
beneficial to those who hold superstitious beliefs, and who would
otherwise be sucked into petty con games by their ignorance.
No excuses are needed at all. No one has passed Randi's challenge because
there is no claim that any person can make about controlling psychic
phenomena that can be tested with any degree of reliability or
repeatability. It's like having a challenge to prove that you can make
lightning. No one can make that claim and then DO it.
But the failure to find a claimant who 'passes' does not invalidate the
existence of natural, randomly occuring full-size lightning, or psychics.
So let's leave the Randi thing alone. He does a good job, and that's all
that matters. His work really has no effect on these discussions of the
paranormal (unless someone makes a claim and then passes the test, in
which case these discussions become moot as the proper scientific
experiments kick into high gear).
Jon Walsh
ab...@freenet.hamilton.on.ca (Charles Gregory) writes:
> While it is just *possible* that Randi 'fixes' the tests when it looks
> like someone might pass them, this sort of thinking only lowers us to the
> same level as the critics who always expect a 'successful' test to be a
> fraud of some sort. I genuinely believe that Randi's work is sincere and
> beneficial to those who hold superstitious beliefs, and who would
> otherwise be sucked into petty con games by their ignorance.
<snip>
I'll have a lot higher opinion of Randi when he lets LectricEd take
the challenge.
Charles Gregory
dr. digger (bhe...@spamfree.polarnet.com.gov) wrote:
: As long as you insist on defending the frauds.....
I'm sorry, I was away that week and missed my own postings. How did I
'defend the frauds'?
: ..... not to mention emulating them.......
To 'emulate' them I would have to charge money for performing a 'service'.
I've never tried to charge money because there is no 'service' I could
perform. Maybe it was *you* who was 'away' when I posted that I consider
these 'psychic' phenomena to be *random* occurences, with only the vaguest
possibility of occasionally being caused to function by repeated attempts.
A success rate virtually indistinguishable from random chance, and
certainly not worthy of basing a 'paid service' upon.
You sure you were responding to *my* post?
Charles Gregory
Dan Pressnell (dpre...@ns.vvm.com) wrote:
: Independent brains are not allowed. All brains must work as you tell them to.
Sorry to make you think that you were disqualified by this need for brains.
You are quite welcome to use the anti-flames form letter even though you
lack them.....
- Charles
Charles Gregory
Dan Pressnell (dpre...@ns.vvm.com) wrote:
: And it's a pity that the world's many, many TRUE psychics never take the test.
WHAT 'true psychics'? Randi may not do much to improve upon our perception
or knowledge of the paranormal, but at least the fact that his test has
not been passed clarifies that no person is able to *control* these
phenomena well enough to properly title themselves as a 'true psychic'.
You are always being sarcastic. But it's not needed to speak the truth.
There are no 'true psychics' Dan, only true *psychic phenomena*. The
latter is hardly any sort of evidence for the former.
Dan Pressnell
In article <6i15o7$h51$8...@mohawk.hwcn.org>,
ab...@freenet.hamilton.on.ca (Charles Gregory) wrote:
>
> Dan Pressnell (dpre...@ns.vvm.com) wrote:
> : And it's a pity that the world's many, many TRUE psychics never take the
test.
>
> WHAT 'true psychics'?
Haven't you kept up with the psychic logic that goes something like "just
because Randi finds a lot of fakes and people who are mistaken doesn't mean
there aren't TRUE psychics."
Somehow only the fakes and mistaken people end up taking the test, and the
REAL psychics never get around to it. It's one of the most amazing aspects of
the paranormal.
Charles Gregory
: Haven't you kept up with the psychic logic that goes something like "just
: because Randi finds a lot of fakes and people who are mistaken doesn't mean
: there aren't TRUE psychics."
: Somehow only the fakes and mistaken people end up taking the test, and the
: REAL psychics never get around to it. It's one of the most amazing aspects of
: the paranormal.
Oh, yes. 'Amazing'. Can't you let a fact speak for itself without adding
sarcasm to sound 'superior' (or whatever you *think* you're doing)? You do
nothing but restate in a sarcastic manner what I said in my previous post.
Randi hasn't found any true psychics. With the revision to his challenge
removing what I saw as a major impediment, I see no reason for a 'true
psychic' not to take his test. Therefore, there aren't any.
Duh. It's a fact. It doesn't need to be repeated in order to be one.
My only objection is gone. Unlike you, I can readily recognize facts I
don't like, and NOT find some way to argue around them.
twi...@worldnet.att.net
ab...@freenet.hamilton.on.ca (Charles Gregory) wrote:
>Dan Pressnell (dpre...@ns.vvm.com) wrote:
>: ab...@freenet.hamilton.on.ca (Charles Gregory) wrote:
>: > WHAT 'true psychics'?
>
>: Haven't you kept up with the psychic logic that goes something like "just
>: because Randi finds a lot of fakes and people who are mistaken doesn't mean
>: there aren't TRUE psychics."
>: Somehow only the fakes and mistaken people end up taking the test, and the
>: REAL psychics never get around to it. It's one of the most amazing aspects of
>: the paranormal.
>
>Oh, yes. 'Amazing'. Can't you let a fact speak for itself without adding
>sarcasm to sound 'superior' <snip>
The fact is a fact, Charles. No one has taken it and
passed, although all agreed ahead of time that the test was
fair and they said that they could do it.
So, the REAL psychics must never take the test.
Dan Pressnell
In article <6iinep$2gn$1...@mohawk.hwcn.org>#1/1,
ab...@freenet.hamilton.on.ca (Charles Gregory) wrote:
>
> Dan Pressnell (dpre...@ns.vvm.com) wrote:
> : ab...@freenet.hamilton.on.ca (Charles Gregory) wrote:
> : > WHAT 'true psychics'?
>
> : Haven't you kept up with the psychic logic that goes something like "just
> : because Randi finds a lot of fakes and people who are mistaken doesn't
mean
> : there aren't TRUE psychics."
> : Somehow only the fakes and mistaken people end up taking the test, and the
> : REAL psychics never get around to it. It's one of the most amazing
aspects of
> : the paranormal.
>
> Oh, yes. 'Amazing'. Can't you let a fact speak for itself without adding
> nothing but restate in a sarcastic manner what I said in my previous post.
Actually (and I know you hate the truth in this newsgroup, but here it comes),
I was answering a question you asked me.
But that's okay. When you can do your juvenile whining and complaining, we
shouldn't let facts get in the way, should we?
Dan
Charles Gregory
twi...@worldnet.att.net wrote:
: >Oh, yes. 'Amazing'. Can't you let a fact speak for itself without adding
: >sarcasm to sound 'superior' <snip>
: The fact is a fact, Charles. No one has taken it and
: passed, although all agreed ahead of time that the test was
: fair and they said that they could do it.
And THAT is all that need be said. All conclusions are self-evident from
this statement. The follwing statement is just sarcasm. And needless.
: So, the REAL psychics must never take the test.
twi...@worldnet.att.net
ab...@freenet.hamilton.on.ca (Charles Gregory) wrote:
Nope. The final sentence is deduced from the statements
that psychics exist and can do what they claim.
If that is true, then they haven't taken the test.
If that is false, then it would be sarcasm.
Are you saying such psychics don't exist, Charles?
Charles Gregory
Dan Pressnell (dpre...@ns.vvm.com) wrote:
: Actually (and I know you hate the truth in this newsgroup, but here it comes),
: I was answering a question you asked me.
I'm sorry, I missed the percentage figure. Please answer again what
percentage of success you demand of a psychic before you will accept that
their abilities are real?
Or do you think the rest of usenet hasn't noticed you evading that
question? What's the percentage Dan? Can't answer, can you?
-
On 6 May 1998 00:44:23 GMT, ab...@freenet.hamilton.on.ca (Charles
Gregory) wrote:
>quoteDan Pressnell (dpre...@ns.vvm.com) wrote:
>quote: Actually (and I know you hate the truth in this newsgroup, but here it comes),
>quote: I was answering a question you asked me.
>quote
>quoteI'm sorry, I missed the percentage figure. Please answer again what
>quotepercentage of success you demand of a psychic before you will accept that
>quotetheir abilities are real?
>quote
>quoteOr do you think the rest of usenet hasn't noticed you evading that
>quotequestion? What's the percentage Dan? Can't answer, can you?
>quote
Pete comments: I doubt there really is a challenge backed up by money.
I accepted randi's long time one million dollar challenge within every
relevant newsgroup . And so far only abuse from the cultist randi
fundis is all that has taken place.
My acceptance was based upon proof of the existence of the one
million being available to me if I win. And of course, no escrow -
just a bunch of smoke saying the money was in securities, us
bonds, there wan't any money just pledges, etc, et all and still
no proof or deposit with neutral stakeholder.
So, at this point, randi the birthday party magician (discount for
twins) is still just a hustler taking advantage of a bunch of
children (randi cultists) - but risk a dime in his challenge.
So, don't waste your time - there isn't any way you can be
certain of getting paid if you do win other than randi saying
the "check will be in the mail."
Pete
Phil Harrison
In article <3550b267...@news.earthlink.net>, - <astropeteremove@earthlin
k.net> writes
>
>
>Pete comments: I doubt there really is a challenge backed up by money.
>I accepted randi's long time one million dollar challenge within every
>relevant newsgroup . And so far only abuse from the cultist randi
>fundis is all that has taken place.
>
>My acceptance was based upon proof of the existence of the one
>million being available to me if I win. And of course, no escrow -
>just a bunch of smoke saying the money was in securities, us
>bonds, there wan't any money just pledges, etc, et all and still
>no proof or deposit with neutral stakeholder.
I asked Randi about this and got the following response. So Pete, are Goldman
Sachs not neutral enough for you
?
(E-mail posted with Randi's permission):
>
Phil: Our investment people, Goldman Sachs, in NYC, have now moved the
million dollars of the James Randi Educational Foundation Prize Account
into "agency securities" for us, so that we will get a greater rate of
interest. US treasury bonds pay much less, and keeping it on account in
cash pays even less interest than that. I'm not knowledgable about such
matters, but they tell me that the securities are "immediately negotiable"
by anyone who might win the prize.
In any case, what's so important about all that? Instead of bitching about
how easily the money can be paid, why don't these wonder-workers simply win
it and find out? Get on with it! When it was only a pledge, they were
wailing about it not being easily available, and that they'd have to travel
around the world collecting from the 300+ pledgers in 13 countries. That
was a legitimate beef, so we said we'd back it with the assets of the JREF,
and produced a financial statement to prove those assets. Now that it's in
a separate, dedicated account held by one of the world's largest financial
houses, they are looking for further excuses not to try for the prize.
I wonder why....
James Randi
James Randi Educational Foundation
201 SE 12th St. (Davie Blvd.),
Fort Lauderdale, FL 33316-1815
U.S.A.
phone: +1 954 467 1112
fax: +1 954 467 1660
http://www.randi.org
--
Phil Harrison
alt.paranormal posting FAQ:
http://www.ramtop.demon.co.uk/paranormal/posting.txt
Del R. Mulroy
- wrote:
> On 6 May 1998 00:44:23 GMT, ab...@freenet.hamilton.on.ca (Charles
> Gregory) wrote:
>
> Pete comments: I doubt there really is a challenge backed up by money.
> I accepted randi's long time one million dollar challenge within every
> relevant newsgroup . And so far only abuse from the cultist randi
> fundis is all that has taken place.
You are not accepted for the Randi Challenge through news groups. Go to
http://www.randi.org if you would like to read the legal means of being accepted for this
challenge. It is the only way to be accepted.
> My acceptance was based upon proof of the existence of the one
> million being available to me if I win. And of course, no escrow -
> just a bunch of smoke saying the money was in securities, us
> bonds, there wan't any money just pledges, etc, et all and still
> no proof or deposit with neutral stakeholder.
>
> So, at this point, randi the birthday party magician (discount for
> twins) is still just a hustler taking advantage of a bunch of
> children (randi cultists) - but risk a dime in his challenge.
He has $10,000 of his own money in the pile that is paid immediately if you win. That is
assuming that you even bother to take the challenge. The rest of the money is to follow
in close order. If you're going to knock Mr. Randi and his challenge, then I suggest you
take your best shot and really knock it.
I don't trust Mr. Randi 100% on all the issues, but this man is perhaps one of the last
great close up magicians and entertainers in that field on Earth (meaning he passes on
making jets and tanks disappear but does magic in front of your face). With that being
said, I admire the hell out of Mr. Randi for his exposing of the fakes and frauds in this
business as they have done more damage to the credibility and integrity of the psychic and
paranormal field then any other force. Call him whatever names you want, there is a
challenge that you claim you have accepted.
> So, don't waste your time - there isn't any way you can be
> certain of getting paid if you do win other than randi saying
> the "check will be in the mail."
>
> Pete
$10,000 on the spot to start from what I believe to be the case, someone correct me if I
am wrong. Also Pete, just to clear up any misconceptions on your part, when you enter
into the challenge and are accepted by Mr. Randi, you enter into and sign a legal binding
contract that the money will be paid to you if you succeed and win the challenge. Should
Mr. Randi back out if you win, a simple law suit like the one you threatened
alt.paranormal and alt.astrology with and you could own the JREF.
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Phil Harrison wrote:
> >Pete comments: I doubt there really is a challenge backed up by money.
> >I accepted randi's long time one million dollar challenge within every
> >relevant newsgroup . And so far only abuse from the cultist randi
> >fundis is all that has taken place.
>
> <snipBANG Pete's Rant>
>
>
> I asked Randi about this and got the following response. So Pete, are Goldman
> Sachs not neutral enough for you ?
>
> (E-mail posted with Randi's permission):
>
> Phil: Our investment people, Goldman Sachs, in NYC, have now moved the
> million dollars of the James Randi Educational Foundation Prize Account
> into "agency securities" for us, so that we will get a greater rate of
> interest. US treasury bonds pay much less, and keeping it on account in
> cash pays even less interest than that. I'm not knowledgable about such
> matters, but they tell me that the securities are "immediately negotiable"
> by anyone who might win the prize.
>
> <snipBANG with all due resect Mr. Randi's e-mail for space saving>
>
> James Randi
> --
> Phil Harrison
Easy Phill. You are about to hear the latest excuse that Pete won't take the
challenge. He posted that he had accepted the challenge many times in the
"appropriate news groups" in the above quote. Mr. Randi is making sure that the
money is as accessible as possible.. What could Pete be waiting for?
Where's Earl? Kind of lonely here without him. ":(
Del R. Mulroy
Bruce:
Remember this rendition on your web site hate page about me that became known as the
"Shameful Lie"? Let me refresh your memory from this gem you posted on your web
site and several times to usenet on March 20, 1998:
Was posted on 03/20/98 @ http://www.psicounsel.com/mulroy02.html
It seems to me that your obsessions, recently, on USENET are misguided
overcompensations. You may need more than a medical doctor in the face of
impending death. You may be overly affected, mentally. Your writing
shows some real defects in your thinking ability that did not exist one
year ago. Is the medical condition affecting your brain?
-----end quote-----
This was in reference to my diagnosis from doctors that I might lose both of my legs
due to an extreme medical condition if it is not diagnosed and treated correctly in
the next two years. Since I am also diabetic, if I lose the legs, I won't be
expected to live more then 5 years after that.
I have scanned a photo of those legs when they were swelling and badly infected a
month ago. When I am moved into Sioux Falls this weekend and work seriously on the
upcoming web site, I want you to look at the picture of the legs and then explain to
me and usenet (including the professional doctor usenet groups you spammed the above
into) as to how the hell the medical condition of my legs could affect my brain as
you diagnosed.
I only regret one thing Bruce, I regret that I labeled the above lie on your web
site as "The Shameful Lie". Sitting here with NINE INCH NAILS blasting into my head
through the headphones, I should have labeled it for the song I am listening too
now, "Terrible Lie".
"I think you owe me a great big apology, Terrible Lie!" -
Nine Inch Nails, "Terrible Lie", Pretty Hate Machine
twi...@worldnet.att.net
astrope...@earthlink.net (-) wrote:
[...]
>Pete comments: I doubt there really is a challenge backed up by money.
Twitch comments, why not check and see that there is money.
Randi has made several offers that you have failed to take.
>I accepted randi's long time one million dollar challenge within every
>relevant newsgroup . [...]
Try reading the challenge. You don't agree to take it by
posting nonsense in newsgroups.
Go to:
to see how to accept.
Charles Gregory
> >: So, the REAL psychics must never take the test.
> Nope. The final sentence is deduced from the statements
> that psychics exist and can do what they claim.
> If that is true, then they haven't taken the test.
> If that is false, then it would be sarcasm.
> Are you saying such psychics don't exist, Charles?
That is exactly what I am saying. It is what I have always said. The actual
*phenomena* which I call 'psychic' is an uncontrollable RANDOM one.
Despite your interest in flaming me because I had an idea that just *might*
have stopped flames (but didn't surprise me when it failed), I don't just
blindly take up the standard believer viewpoint.
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