Re: stopping voices in head/ urgent/ help is appreciated
Tom
>
> a voice that tips you on a sale
> where you can buy discounted grocery but disturbs you to the point you
> can't keep a job;
Can't keep a job because of voices in your head.
> they are attempting to dissolve my
> WILL POWER and the voices are harassing to the point they are asking
> me to commit suicide after I started figuring a way out.
Voices that advise you to commit suicide.
> They are isolating me.
Social isolation.
> The other issues I am facing are psychic harrassment
> such as missing objects, harassing phone calls inteference and
> interruptions in schedules and appointments, etc.
Disorganization and feelings of persecution.
> I repeat -- I have no health or mental problems. No psychological
> problems.
Feelings of suicide and an inability to function socially or keep a
job are the hallmarks of some sort of neurological problem. In such
cases, your judgment of your own mental state may well be impaired
also. Understand that a neurological problem may not be the same
thing as a "mental problem". Although the symptoms you describe may
well match a diagnosis of paranoid schizophrenia, there may be other
neurological conditions that would apply.
> I am a member of 2 to 4 professional associations and have a
> good social life
Except that you feel isolated, can't keep a job, feel "psychically
harassed", and are having thoughts of suicide.
> and my formal education is Graduate though I qualify
> for one or two PhD for progressive work experience.
Intelligence is not an insulation against neurological malfunction.
Are you familiar with the story of John Nash?
Dar es Alrah
temporary relief also.
A B
As regards acupuncture, the partial cure might be due to removing one entity
and not another. Or it might be that rather than a separate entity, the
voices are hallucinations caused by a condition in your own body, or
something regurgitated from your subconscious. In this case it would be
quite possible to improve them without stopping them completely at first.
I have to agree with what Tom said, although I think he could have put it
more tactfully. You might have other mental problems without knowing it
yourself. However people do sometimes have hallucinations without anything
else. Best ask your doctor's opinion about this.
>...a voice that tips you on a sale where you can buy discounted grocery
This is interesting. Perhaps you could set it a test of some kind, asking
it to find out something you couldn't know even subconsciously. If it got
the answer right you would know that it was more complicated than just a
random hallucination.
Hope this helps,
A. B.
PS ARE you actually the_sun1947, or have I made a mistake?
The PI
> Did you find the Hearing Voices Network helpful?
> As regards acupuncture, the partial cure might be due to removing one entity
> and not another. Or it might be that rather than a separate entity, the
> voices are hallucinations caused by a condition in your own body, or
> something regurgitated from your subconscious. In this case it would be
> quite possible to improve them without stopping them completely at first.
>
How? Do you quote this based of experience? Could u please be
specific? Thanks.
A B
>On Jun 15, 2:49 pm, "A B" <a@a> wrote:
>> As regards acupuncture, the partial cure might be due to removing one
>> entity
>> and not another. Or it might be that rather than a separate entity, the
>> voices are hallucinations caused by a condition in your own body, or
>> something regurgitated from your subconscious. In this case it would be
>> quite possible to improve them without stopping them completely at first.
>How? Do you quote this based of experience? Could u please be
>specific? Thanks.
No, sorry, I was just speculating. You asked how could removing an entity
produce only a partial cure, and I was trying to think of possible answers.
If the acupuncture made a 70% improvement as you say, then it did better
than most treatments, either conventional or alternative.
Have you looked into the Hearing Voices Network? Are they any use?
A. B.
Mr. Mi-go
They got any tips, hints or useful information? Or are they just nags?
~.*.Saba Gracile.*.~
mental
so you need meds.
S
565
> "The PI" <the_psy2...@yahoo.com> wrote on 11th June:
If there is a 70% improvement it means there was more than one entity.
565
> Open question to readers:
>
> Please reply with similar cases, URLs for stories, treatment etc where
> cases have been treated successfully. Whatever youi think may be
> helpful.
>
> I would like to stop hearing voices and having visions. While the
> condition I seem to have is called "claiaudience" and "Clairvoynce",
> there seems to be TWO MAINSTREAM reponses I detail below:
>
> (1) that such experiences are from Guardian angels/ spirit guides and
> is meant to be positive pschic development.
>
> (2) that such experiences are negative and must be banished or
> treated.
>
> What is my view and experience -- do I experience this as positive or
> negative? It is hard to tell because a voice that tips you on a sale
> where you can buy discounted grocery but disturbs you to the point you
> it would sell -- what if I had no guidance but kept my old job and
> been happy; dreams that predict in opposites except that you don't
> know if the opposite of an apple in a dream is a bannana or a
> stawberry until you get one fruit. It is mindless and torturing.
>
> With great will power I have banished outer and loud voices and
> visions to some extent (let me post another anecdote on this) but
> inner voice, it won't go away by applying WILL POWER.
>
> After a good hearted fellow (565) posted links to Samueal Sagan:
>
> Entities
> Parasites of the Body of Energy
> Excerpts
> By Samuel Sagan, M.D.
>
> First I rejected because my expereince does not seem like that of an
> external entity parasite. But later I read more details -- cravings
> etc. and thinking of a possibilty of a lower astral enity tricking me
> believe it is an angel.
>
> QUOTE from book:
> " If we look at traditional Chinese medicine, we find that in
> acupuncture, among the 361 points of the 14 main meridians, 17 have
> the word Kuei (disincarnate spirit) as part of their main or secondary
> name."
>
> I went to an accupuncture chinese herbalist theologist spirital
> practioner (she has atleast 3 PhD's on display) who treated me to
> close the Gates for entities and 70% of the voices have faded. The
> remaining is still annoying. It comes from the head very faint faded.
> This voice reminds me forgotten passwords etc, except after past any
> use.
>
> Commonsense tells me, if an enity is removed there must be no voices
> not just a fading off by 70%. So she might have just adjusted my
> sensitivity to hearing? Note that psychics do this all this time --
> adjusting of auditory nerves to start or stop hearing.
>
> please respond asap. psychics are extorting and manipulative and the
> accupuncture lady probably wants me to return so she can make $ in
> more sessions.
>
> I am willing to state how I solved the problem in return for your
> generosity. Please repond asap -- they are attempting to dissolve my
> WILL POWER and the voices are harassing to the point they are asking
> isolating me. The other issues I am facing are psychic harrassment
> such as missing objects, harassing phone calls inteference and
> interruptions in schedules and appointments, etc.
>
> good social life and my formal education is Graduate though I qualify
> for one or two PhD for progressive work experience.
>
You might like to try the "Psychic Self Defense" forums at www.astraldynamics.com
if you don´t get much response here. I don´t have much time at the
moment (at an internet cafe) but I have been researching this subject
for some time and it seems that Magnetic Pulse machines are quite
effective at banishing these "voices" (regardless of what they might
be).
http://www.webmd.com/schizophrenia/news/20000323/schizophrenia-voices-in-head-relief
Sorry if you described it before but can you tell me what the voice(s)
are like, are they in your inner ear? Where do they seem to be when
you hear them (in your head, back of neck etc)? Do you ever get any
pin prick or pins-and-needles sensations anywhere?
Mr. Mi-go
Try to just be a good person to other people and try not to make
problems.
The conscience that may be using voices to goad you will soon adjust
itself to new behaviors and you'll end up being much more at peace and
capable of living well. Don't hate the voices in your head outright,
just don't go doing anything they tell you.
If they, the "voices", find that your not a suitable host because your
a good person then they were bad to begin with.
If they like the good things your doing then chances are they were
just there to help in the first place.
From the perspective of them being "entities" at all, and not just
effluvia you've picked up in your daily activities subconsciously and
had your brain assemble as "organized perceptions" that interact with
your experience of yourself.
If they are just neurological problems then none of that other stuff
will help and psychiatric care is recommended, in the very least,
cognitive therapy.
You can choose to ignore this advice, i'm sure it probably sounds too
simple and straightforward to help you then some 'high-falutin'
metamysticism' you might be looking for.
Chances are though, that if you are having problems with your living
then these buggers aren't helping, they are hurting, and it's either
an early warning for prevention of further problems, or a sign that
your'e in trouble.
Please, be careful when using your mind/body/soul in unconventional
ways. When you experiment in these waters you run the serious risk of
engaging with things or parts of yourself, that recipe aside, you
might not be prepared to encounter.
Theres A REASON Kabbalists were supposed to wait til they were married
with kids at 40 before they were initiated. This early spurting into
the esoteric of our generation may have hurt us more than helped us in
the long run. Many unintended consequences could have occured as a
result of taking minds at a young age and introducing them to
intensely reality bending experiences before those minds had an
opportunity to even know what their reality WAS in the first place.
Sure this sounds marmy, and it probably is, to YOU. Nevertheless, be
careful, please and heed the advice given, from a VETERAN PSYCHONAUT.
565
> Simple Adjustments for this Dilemma:
>
> Try to just be a good person to other people and try not to make
> problems.
You´re making a judgement here that the person isn´t already doing so.
If I am swimming in the Adriatic Sea and there are sharks there, being
a good person isn´t going to help me that much.
> The conscience that may be using voices to goad you will soon adjust
> itself to new behaviors and you'll end up being much more at peace and
> capable of living well. Don't hate the voices in your head outright,
> just don't go doing anything they tell you.
The last part is good advice.
>
> If they, the "voices", find that your not a suitable host because your
> a good person then they were bad to begin with.
Or they are just parasites... "Larvae" as Eliphas Levi calls them in
his book "Trancendental Magic". The Universe is full of predators,
even on the Astral planes. Just because a mosquito takes some of my
blood doesn´t mean I have to make that mean something other than it
wanted to eat part of me to survive. Some things are simpler than they
at first appear without having to involve religious concepts such as
"conscience" or a "lesson from Gawd" etc.
> If they like the good things your doing then chances are they were
> just there to help in the first place.
Chances are they are fooling the person into thinking they are there
to help so the person will allow them to stick around a bit longer.
Especially if they weren´t invited.
Mr. Mi-go
> Chances are they are fooling the person into thinking they are there
> to help so the person will allow them to stick around a bit longer.
> Especially if they weren´t invited.
You posited a lot of good points. I probably was projecting malicious
intent cause I've had a problem with that recently, but yeah even
"green energy demons" and other mindless power parasites.
If them twilight kiddies knew what most actual vampires were they'd
probably go back to drinking milk.
Ato_Zee
> > If they, the "voices",
Hearing voices can be part of the multiple personality condition.
If you Google for multiple personality there are several thousand hits.
In the UK, a television program covered the life of someone
with several independent (the current personality did not know the
others existed) personalities.
It was interesting in that the TV presenter elicited the subjects
response to the recording of one of their other personalities,
of which of course they had no memory.
In some criminal trials the defence tries the tack that the
defendant was "told to do it" by inner voices.
"Inner dialog" with yourself, or another personality within
yourself, is interesting, because there are ways of turning
off the inner dialog.
It's a bit like riding a bike, a skilled facilitator can teach
you in about and hour (or less) and once taught you never
forget how to do it. It didn't seem to be a hypnotic process but
the facilitator has to entrain your thought process and
lead you through the process of turning off the inner voice.
(I speculate whether it would have to be done for each
personality)
You best course is to seek professional advice.
With visions the approach is "What do you see?" "When
did it appear?" "What was - etc, etc?" there is a sequence of
questions that should be followed to elicit their nature and
cause.
Ike Milligan
262b23...@a36g2000yqc.googlegroups.com:
The auditory stimulus you describe is not supernormal or supernatural.
It is due to overstimulation. The best thing if possible would be to end
it. If you are expecting to hear it, or obsessed with hearing it, this
is part of the anxiety which becomes a part of the circular
overstimulation which caused it in the first place. In other words, a
feedback loop, but not the original cause. the feedback loop can not be
fought against, but the original cause may be dealt with, mitigating
slowly the feedback. Also before I say more, I would strongly suspect
there is a sleep disturbance involved.
I do not know enough about the details of your life, diet or habits to
make very specific suggestions for change. Moreover I am not a
professional healer of any kind. I can make some suggestions. You might
likely have been exposed to stress which produced a surge in adrenaline
which has stimulated an over-reaction in brain chemistry. The stressful
events may have occurred very recently, but more probably months ago,
the further in the past the less likely you are to suspect it as a
cause. An injury or frightful experience. Talking about it with a
professional might help. However, that is not the only possible partial
answer, and it might not work if you get the wrong therapist.
It is very important to get a sensible diet and not use drugs or
substances that might contribute to the problem. Avoid refined food
products such as white flour ingredients, desserts, and instead eat
foods with lower glycemic indexes. An excellent book easily found used
on Amazon, or from a library, or inter-library loan, is "Your Miracle
Brain" by Jean Carper. In this book you will find everything you need to
know about brain nutrition, as well as a list of foods' glycemic
indexes.
:About getting enought sleep; I have found from experience that I can go
to sleep if I lie perfectly still and breathe normally. At some point of
lying still I may find a minor shift in position to relieve a
discomfort, and then I can go to sleep. If I were to become impatient
and roll around, I would not go to sleep.
There are many people, like you have mentioned, who are more than happy
to take your money, and tell you various theories, based on their
profession of how to make a living off other peoples' pain.
marika
"Ike Milligan" <accord...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> The auditory stimulus you describe is not supernormal or supernatural.
What a mystery. What are they referring to.
mk5000
"Out of the starlight night the telling of all our lives,
And racing faster than the Northwestern World.
Starpoint to signal our endlessness
Starpoint to signal this evermore"--angkor wat, yes
marika
"The PI" <the_p...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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you have a health and or mental problem if you feel you have to ask about
it, it is clearly causing distress otherwise you wouldn't be asking for
advice from faceless nonexpert people
the definition of most mental problems in DSM is that it causes distress
otherwise it wouldn't be perceived as a disorder
Here's the latest
http://books.google.com/books?id=_KIEAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA454&dq=have+cutout+notches
marika
"565" <too_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>You�re making a judgement here that the person isn�t already doing so.
>If I am swimming in the Adriatic Sea and there are sharks there, being
>a good person isn�t going to help me that much.
unless of course the sharks eat you and you get to go to heaven
mk5000
"I've been lost in a maze of emotional compound
I believe that you knew that our faith was secure
How you kept to be smile with the cool disposition
How you stuck in the fire with a new sense of reason"--saving my heart, yes