Re: Why oppose abortion?
Abort Abortionists
>I'm being completely serious. I cannot understand why people oppose
>abortion. Can someone please explain it to me?
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As opposed to your previous posts, perhaps? I know it's tempting
to say things like "speaking frankly", or "in no uncertain terms",
etc., but the best thing for any author to do, is to go straight
to the heart of the matter thus to touch the thing with a needle.
Remember, Zeus (re)iterates the Universal Law to each and every
one of us sinners each and every time we die & face His Perfect
Judgment in the Light. Nobody has any excuse for their evilness,
regardless of their arrogant self-assurances. We each must pay
our debts to the great spirit; Christian, Atheist, it makes no
difference. Only Jesus Himself made the difference. Understand?
Thus, once you remember (i.e. what you've apparently forgotten),
you'll recall being kicked out of heaven cast down to the earth,
mortally-incarnate amid the crashing karmic waves of this life,
and this most importantly, from the first breath of life, birth,
to the last breath of life, death; if you really want to under-
stand what abortion is, you really need to understand this much.
Conscious, egocentric motivations for murdering unborn children
are, albeit for very different reasons, unconsciously motivated
as well. Sinners ergo mortals, men who are temporarily repentant
at times yet inexorably unrepentant backsliders, arrogant rebels
against God who inevitably indulge their carnal vices, they fall
into temptation (this cycle goes all the way back to Adam & Eve).
If you can't see this as vanity, then you are perfectly deceived
(an equivocal statement perhaps, but I speak of sinful arrogance).
These Rabid wild animals run amok of God's Law, and take the law
into their own hands. By aborting, murdering unborn human beings,
thereby the murderous sins of the fathers are visited upon later
incarnations of souls whose (re)entry, i.e. (re)incarnation into
the new mortal, karmically-indebted human body born of the earth
is karmic-multiples worse than merely postponed by abortion, but
leaves those unnaturally too-long discarnate souls that much too
long in Purgatory (i.e. in the spheres of heaven) and much worse
thanks to that abortionist(s!) who'd kept them away from destiny.
You see, it builds on one side, else it builds on the other side.
Sinners who allow their sins to build on this side pay hereafter.
And the same who by evil postpone births multiply sin seven-fold.
As a result these souls must take up that much more star-crossed
affliction in their natal horoscope once mortally-incarnate thus
to die, this passing down from the third and forth generation of
evildoers who had demonstrated their hatred and contempt for God
by virtue of their antichristian lives they had previously lived;
i.e., the virtue is karma, whereas to sinners virtue is anathema.
And although it may seem, generally, that sin is allowed to come
first, then the karma (sometimes long) afterwards, this isn't so.
Karma, unpaid indebtedness owed to the Holy Spirit for past sins,
follows both soul and body being destroyed in hell, here, in the
second death, by virtue of not being written in the book of life.
But until one's mortal ego subordinates, we'll not see the Light.
I.e., nothing ever really dies, it only changes form. Understand?
Killing or imprisoning only marks your psychic aura for the same,
if not in this temporal life, then assuredly not so much further
down the road. Time, chance and circumstance must come to us all.
But heavenly treasures are of no value to Atheists. You must kill.
You must imprison. You must die. Atheists must learn the hard way.
Atheists cannot be saved. Only death and hellfire is their reward.
Armageddon Cometh,
Daniel Joseph Min
http://www.angelfire.com/moon2/danieljosephmin/
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Mitch Dickson
"Abort Abortionists" <abort.m...@hades.tartaros> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 16 Jan 2008, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >I'm being completely serious. I cannot understand why people oppose
> >abortion. Can someone please explain it to me?
Ignoring the gobblydgook of the previous poster let me make a couple of
simple statements. An athiest, or one who believes that life is only
physical can accept abortion. Anyone who believes that physical life is
only the tip of the iceberg has trouble with abortion which they consider
murder. Think on this, where is the explanation of the existance of thought
in the Darwinian model? There is no answer for consciousness in the theory
of evolution is there? Yet we all know that thought and consciousness
exist. To destroy a fetus is to destroy a human consciousness or deny it
life here in this world. That is murder.
To cure abortion, force it to come to term and bring the mother the baby and
a hammer and give her 24 hours to decide. See what happens to the abortion
rate!
C YA
Mitch
Ye Old One
<mitchel...@bellsouth.net> enriched this group when s/he wrote:
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>"Abort Abortionists" <abort.m...@hades.tartaros> wrote in message
>news:4bc005c09e2a44ab...@nymkey.com...
>> On Wed, 16 Jan 2008, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> >I'm being completely serious. I cannot understand why people oppose
>> >abortion. Can someone please explain it to me?
>
>Ignoring the gobblydgook of the previous poster let me make a couple of
>simple statements. An athiest, or one who believes that life is only
>physical can accept abortion. Anyone who believes that physical life is
>only the tip of the iceberg has trouble with abortion which they consider
>murder.
I think you have that the wrong way round. An atheist considers all
life, including that of the unborn child, to be valuable and worth
protecting. He will believe that this is the only life we have so we
better make the most of it.
On the other hand, religious people have this daft concept that
everyone goes to heaven, so killing the unborn child just gets it
there faster.
> Think on this, where is the explanation of the existance of thought
>in the Darwinian model? There is no answer for consciousness in the theory
>of evolution is there?
No need for one.
> Yet we all know that thought and consciousness
>exist.
Well, in some.
> To destroy a fetus is to destroy a human consciousness or deny it
>life here in this world. That is murder.
I agree.
>
>To cure abortion, force it to come to term and bring the mother the baby and
>a hammer and give her 24 hours to decide. See what happens to the abortion
>rate!
In many cases I would allow abortion up to 50 years - but only to get
rid of some of the mentally sick people I've encountered in the
pro-killing group..
>
>C YA
>
>Mitch
>
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Bob.
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> "Abort Abortionists" <abort.m...@hades.tartaros> wrote in message
> news:4bc005c09e2a44ab...@nymkey.com...
>> On Wed, 16 Jan 2008, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> >I'm being completely serious. I cannot understand why people oppose
>> >abortion. Can someone please explain it to me?
>
> Ignoring the gobblydgook of the previous poster let me make a couple of
> simple statements. An athiest, or one who believes that life is only
> physical can accept abortion. Anyone who believes that physical life is
> only the tip of the iceberg has trouble with abortion which they consider
> murder.
That is not true. Not even all Christians consider abortion to be murder.
Think on this, where is the explanation of the existance of thought
> in the Darwinian model?
The above is irrelevant to the question of abortion, and that is besides the
obvious ignorance exposed by the question.
There is no answer for consciousness in the theory
> of evolution is there?
Is there? Please explain why you think so.
Yet we all know that thought and consciousness
> exist. To destroy a fetus is to destroy a human consciousness or deny it
> life here in this world. That is murder.
Actually murder is a crime defined by the law. Abortion is not defined as
murder.
>
> To cure abortion, force it to come to term and bring the mother the baby
> and
> a hammer and give her 24 hours to decide. See what happens to the
> abortion
> rate!
The above is sick and insane on so many levels it is scary.
Bob Officer
This is amazing the hypocrisy of some people. They would act to
dictate that an embryo be carried to full term. Then all it is be
born and starve to death or die from disease or neglect or war.
Or in YOyO's case allow it to become an adult with opinions he
doesn't like (like comparing an unwanted embryo growing in a womb to
a cancerous tumor or tapeworm) and then he would like to have it
killed.
Both of them are hypocrites.
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Ak'toh'di
Robert
>"Abort Abortionists" <abort.m...@hades.tartaros> wrote in message
>news:4bc005c09e2a44ab...@nymkey.com...
>> On Wed, 16 Jan 2008, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> >I'm being completely serious. I cannot understand why people oppose
>> >abortion. Can someone please explain it to me?
>
>Ignoring the gobblydgook of the previous poster let me make a couple of
>simple statements.
Call a simple statement gobblydgook, then spew pure nonsense.
> An athiest, or one who believes that life is only physical can accept abortion.
An atheist simply doesn't fall for simple minded scams. BTW only about
15% of the population is atheist. But 75-80% of the population is
pro-choice. Being pro-choice is not by any means a requirement of
being atheist. In fact many atheist oppose abortions, because it cause
potential atheist to be aborted. Nothing like a Christian home to
raise an atheist child.
>Anyone who believes that physical life is
>only the tip of the iceberg has trouble with abortion which they consider
>murder. Think on this, where is the explanation of the existance of thought
>in the Darwinian model? There is no answer for consciousness in the theory
>of evolution is there? Yet we all know that thought and consciousness
>exist. To destroy a fetus is to destroy a human consciousness or deny it
>life here in this world. That is murder.
>
>To cure abortion, force it to come to term and bring the mother the baby and
>a hammer and give her 24 hours to decide. See what happens to the abortion
>rate!
>
>C YA
>
>Mitch
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Bob Officer
<rob...@netportusa.com> wrote:
>On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 08:32:38 -0500, "Mitch Dickson"
><mitchel...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
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>>"Abort Abortionists" <abort.m...@hades.tartaros> wrote in message
>>news:4bc005c09e2a44ab...@nymkey.com...
>>> On Wed, 16 Jan 2008, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>> >I'm being completely serious. I cannot understand why people oppose
>>> >abortion. Can someone please explain it to me?
>>
>>Ignoring the gobblydgook of the previous poster let me make a couple of
>>simple statements.
>
>Call a simple statement gobblydgook, then spew pure nonsense.
>
>> An athiest, or one who believes that life is only physical can accept abortion.
>
>An atheist simply doesn't fall for simple minded scams. BTW only about
>15% of the population is atheist.
I've often wondered about the labels we are using, theist atheist,
and agonistic. I've always wonder where I fit in. You see, I don't
think if there is a god/creator/force, it cares or screws with
people's lives in a daily basis or ever has. Theists try to apply
their own concepts and molds forcing god into a human form. A form
with human emotions and human needs. When they state god wants to be
worshiped, adored, prayed to and served, they are doing just that,
forcing their god into molds of their own creation, modeling God
after their own desires. Then for some reason they end up creating an
entire mythos of an afterlife, the so called reward, and carrot and
stick system to force them into an ethical behavior.
>But 75-80% of the population is
>pro-choice. Being pro-choice is not by any means a requirement of
>being atheist. In fact many atheist oppose abortions, because it cause
>potential atheist to be aborted. Nothing like a Christian home to
>raise an atheist child.
See again we create labels. Pro-choice and pro-life. these labels are
not even close to being descriptions.
There are only too sides to the Abortion issue, with some minor lines
drawn in the finer details. The side are really nothing and
pro-choice (freedom to choose for ones self) and the other side is
anti-choice (freedom of no choices for ones self).
The with the anti-choice group, their choice is to remove the freedom
of anyone but "biological chance" to remove a fertilized egg, and
carrying to term of a ova. "Biological Chance" is the statistical
fact that the majority become of fertilized human embryos do not
implanted.
To complicate the anti-choice side and muddy the waters, there is a
group within itself which would stop all forms of birth control
(conception control) of any sort. The odd thing is this part of the
anti-choice side is lead by a dictatorial group of men, who have
taken vows of chastity, never to father children.
Then to look even to the so called pro-life groups, they are lead by
people that at against all forms of social welfare, child health
care, and disease prevention. Some of anti-choice are even people
that owe money for child support and are guilty of child abuse. Some
of the So called pro-life force are for killing people that are
pro-choice.
<snip>
The issue is always about choice and freedom.
The anti-choice side is all about removing freedom and controlling
people. Simple isn't it.
The pro-choice side is for allowing people the most freedom of choice
available. Birth control, Abortion, adoption, chastity, even
vasectomy/tubal ligation are all choices and option, options of
freedom which the anti-choice would like to have full control by
removing all options and choices.
In our little discussions here remember do let the
anti-choice/antifreedom people apply false labels or bring up false
issues.
It all about freedom and choice and control. Who better to have
control? Who better to make choices? Who better to exercise the
responsibility of freedom?
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Ak'toh'di
BOB
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Excellent post / response Bob. Thanks and keep up the good workm for the
good (pro-choice) cause.
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