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Mel Shear

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Jan 28, 1996, 3:00:00 AM1/28/96
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I once had a Top Secret Clearance and I know that if I saw something
like a extraterestial vehicle when on duty, I would have reported it
to Congress and maybe the press regardless of the threat made by
the UCMJ (uniform code of military justice) and punishments for
violating the Top Secret contracts they make you sign (Used to
be 10 years and/or $10K fine).

I would have felt a higher responsibility to mankind and fellow
Americans to let the truth be known. Consider this and the
evidence/testimony of Roswell military witnesses of "the event",
it is apparent that the men that witness these events are afraid
to do what is right for mankind. They all are so scarred they
wait till many years after the event to tell - when their testimony
is practically worthless.

Aren't their any military MEN out there now with enough courage
to come forth and tell all NOW while involved with these vehicles?

I doubt it - you bunch of COWARDS!!


Brian Zeiler

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Jan 28, 1996, 3:00:00 AM1/28/96
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sh...@cs.tulane.edu (Mel Shear) wrote:

>I doubt it - you bunch of COWARDS!!

If they don't have any proof, then it's easy for them to be dismissed as
crackpots and loons. Obviously they won't get thrown in jail, since that
would confirm their story. Instead, they would be diagnosed as mentally
ill by the military, and the media would believe this to be correct.
Then they would be dishonorably discharged and they'd have to find a
civilian career like going on the UFO lecture circuit.

--
Brian Zeiler

Adam Krause

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Jan 28, 1996, 3:00:00 AM1/28/96
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Erik Wynstra

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Jan 29, 1996, 3:00:00 AM1/29/96
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>I doubt it - you bunch of COWARDS!!

If I were in the unfortunate position of knowing certain Top Secret
information regarding UFO's and was told to keep my mouth shut, I would say,
"Yes sir!" and go on about my business. I don't really think I would
jeopardize my future by announcing to the world what would be immediately be
ridiculed. Does that make me a coward? In my way of thinking, no. I still have
yet to hear a good reason why we should know about everything. Any takers?

10231...@compuserve.com

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Jan 29, 1996, 3:00:00 AM1/29/96
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bab...@osu.edu (Erik Wynstra) wrote:


How nice to find out that there are individuals in military service
who are willing to violate their oaths, AND have no respect for the
chain of command.

The real coward is the one who, without knowing all the facts of the
situation (and certainly no ONE inidividual could possibly possess all
the facts surround a real or alleged e.t. event), starts reporting
things as if they are real, confirmed events.

Oh, and if you think that by calling someone a coward you can get them
to violate the UCMJ, or any other law, then you are exactly the fool
your posting indicates you are.

One last thing--you obviously NEVER had any clearance of any kind.
Individuals who obtain top secret clearance, even once discharged, are
still bound by their oaths, and have this clearance reverted to
inactive status--in other words, once you have it, unless it is
revoked for some reason, you always have it. If indeed yours was
revoked, it comes as no surprise.


Virtually,

Scott S.
10231...@compuserve.com


DANNY O COX

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Jan 29, 1996, 3:00:00 AM1/29/96
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In <4egr2n$i...@rs10.tcs.tulane.edu> sh...@cs.tulane.edu (Mel Shear)
writes:
>
>I once had a Top Secret Clearance and I know that if I saw something
>like a extraterestial vehicle when on duty, I would have reported it
>to Congress and maybe the press regardless of the threat made by
>the UCMJ (uniform code of military justice) and punishments for
>violating the Top Secret contracts they make you sign (Used to
>be 10 years and/or $10K fine).
>
>I would have felt a higher responsibility to mankind and fellow
>Americans to let the truth be known. Consider this and the
>evidence/testimony of Roswell military witnesses of "the event",
>it is apparent that the men that witness these events are afraid
>to do what is right for mankind. They all are so scarred they
>wait till many years after the event to tell - when their testimony
>is practically worthless.
>
>Aren't their any military MEN out there now with enough courage
>to come forth and tell all NOW while involved with these vehicles?
>
>I doubt it - you bunch of COWARDS!!
>
Many have come forward, such as Wendell Stevens and Robert Dean.
However, when they come foreward, investigators start digging into
their lives looking for any kind of arrest record or for people who
might be willing to impugn their character. Today, many people are
worried about their jobs and don't welcome all of the negative
publicity. Though not a military person, Bob Lazur (sp?) is another
example. He has been widely critized for having friends who were
prostitutes. To me, that is no big deal, but I'm sure it is not
pleasant for him to have people keep bringing the subject up year after
year.

I am hoping that more people will come forward with their stories. The
news media is not as negative as it once was, and this might encourage
more to tell what they know. However, I think most of them will be
retired people with no career, job, or family. to worry about.

Danny

>


Dean Adams

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Jan 29, 1996, 3:00:00 AM1/29/96
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DANNY O COX <dc...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>Many have come forward, such as Wendell Stevens and Robert Dean.

Speaking of Robert Dean, on his recent Sightings appearance
he showed himself (once again) to be nothing but a publicity
seeking fantasy monger. He was passing along more wild stories
without even the slightest foundation in fact or reality.

> Though not a military person, Bob Lazur (sp?) is another example.

Right you are, although he is at least a better storyteller
than a two-bit johnny-come-lately charlatan like robert dean.

>I am hoping that more people will come forward with their stories.

Why? We've heard them all before.


John W. Ratcliff

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Feb 6, 1996, 3:00:00 AM2/6/96
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Scott,

I think you forget who this government belongs to, and sometimes people
must respond to a higher moral duty.

John

Mel Shear

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Feb 8, 1996, 3:00:00 AM2/8/96
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--sh...@cs.tulane.edu (Mel Shear) wrote:
-
--I once had a Top Secret Clearance and I know that if I saw something
--like a extraterestial vehicle when on duty, I would have reported it
--to Congress and maybe the press regardless of the threat made by
--the UCMJ (uniform code of military justice) and punishments for
--violating the Top Secret contracts they make you sign (Used to
--be 10 years and/or $10K fine).
-
--I would have felt a higher responsibility to mankind and fellow
--Americans to let the truth be known. Consider this and the
--evidence/testimony of Roswell military witnesses of "the event",
--it is apparent that the men that witness these events are afraid
--to do what is right for mankind. They all are so scarred they
--wait till many years after the event to tell - when their testimony
--is practically worthless.
-
--Aren't their any military MEN out there now with enough courage
--to come forth and tell all NOW while involved with these vehicles?
-
--I doubt it - you bunch of COWARDS!!
-

> How nice to find out that there are individuals in military service
> who are willing to violate their oaths, AND have no respect for the
> chain of command.
>
> The real coward is the one who, without knowing all the facts of the
> situation (and certainly no ONE inidividual could possibly possess all
> the facts surround a real or alleged e.t. event), starts reporting
> things as if they are real, confirmed events.
>
> Oh, and if you think that by calling someone a coward you can get them
> to violate the UCMJ, or any other law, then you are exactly the fool
> your posting indicates you are.
>
> One last thing--you obviously NEVER had any clearance of any kind.
> Individuals who obtain top secret clearance, even once discharged, are
> still bound by their oaths, and have this clearance reverted to
> inactive status--in other words, once you have it, unless it is
> revoked for some reason, you always have it. If indeed yours was
> revoked, it comes as no surprise.
>
>
> Virtually,
>
> Scott S.
> 10231...@compuserve.com

Regardless of what you think Scott, I had a TS clearance and realize
that there is a higher good that we all owe to mankind and God. Its
of far greater importance than much of the military jargon and
game playing that you obviously took/take very seriously.

That is your perogative/perspective and I have mine. I think that
the military is possibly depriving mankind of one of the greatest
truths and its up to some brave person that has enough intelligence to
put that in perspective and "come clean". If you truly know something
and don't want to tell fine but heros are the ones that set their own
well being aside for the good of the troops - in this case mankind.

Are you sure you don't have a guilty conscious? Regardless, I think
that knowledge of alien existence would serve to unite mankind and
the world - eventually to the point that we would not need military.
Perhaps this is the real reason why the military does not want the
truth be known? Very self serving - so what else is new.

Have a happy life - COWARD?

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