Is Whitley Strieber a fraud?
Zosimo X
Howpl
>What do you all think? I am not sure if he is a fraud or not.
>
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group. Streiber's stuff is of the high strangeness variety, i.e,. the branch
of ufology that pursues links between the paranormal and UFO phenomena.
The books strike me as honest. Two things bother me, though. (1) He never
really delivers a knockout punch to the allegation that he suffers from
temporal lobe epilepsy. (2) He was a fiction writer for years, and his alleged
facts intersect his concerns as a novelist. I guess the question is which came
first. The favorable interpretation is that his fiction reflected actual
experience, though he didn't realize it until much later.
Howard
oiby@o8756ov97
Firmage, Mr. Hoagland, et al) as frauds or liars, per se.
My sense is that have created and completely immersed themselves in a
fantasy-based belief system around which every aspect of their life now
revolves. They are classical delusional paranoiacs. Like others
suffering from this disease, Messrs Strieber, Firmage, and Hoagland
relate the most fantastic stories and positions with utmost earnestness
and sincerity. They sound sincere because they are sincere: they
really, truly believe their fantasies.
As this disease progresses, the victim's life's work inexorably becomes
the endless pursuit of validation and reinforcement for the delusions.
Victims sometimes quit their job to devote all their time to finding the
Truth (ala Firmage). As a result, they obssessively collect and
torturously interpret (ala Hoagland) reams of data, and try
propagandizing others to their views (ala Strieber).
Fortunately, the disease that has almost certainly stricken Messrs
Strieber, Firmage, and Hoagland arises from well-known organic, and
usually treatable, neurological disorders. One should hope they and
others in the UFO fringe seek and get professional help.
Frank Carey
Howpl wrote in message <19990129163416...@ng-cf1.aol.com>...
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>>What do you all think? I am not sure if he is a fraud or not.
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>I've asked this question before and he seems to have little support in this
See Albert Budden's book - "Electric UFOs" ISBN 0 7137 2685 7 (1998)
UK
Lots of data on a rare medical condition being treated in the UK known as
"electromagnetic hypersensitivity".
All thru it I was reminded of Strieber. I think Budden's book is important
because it presents new data and there's a poverty of new data in this
field. It certainly doesn't answer all of the questions and it may raise
more questions than it answers but it's more than a retelling of the same
old stories and the usual speculations.
Budden also reports on a Canadian poltergeist machine that duplicates
poltergeist activities and on a West Virginia lab that now creates ball
lightening on demand in the lab - e.g., small plasma fireballs that move
slowly around the room and then suddenly accelerate and disappear.
Frank
Dan Clore
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> <<He was a fiction writer for years, and his alleged
> facts intersect his concerns as a novelist. >>
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> has a GREAT imagination and is a gifted fantasist.
That's exactly why I think he's sincere. (I get to speak as a critic
active in the horror genre, BTW.) Strieber's accounts slowly build up
the tension, just like a good horror fiction writer would do -- *until
he gets to the actual encounter*. Then the quality of writing falls to
the floor, as if Strieber is so upset by his material that he is almost
unable to write about it. An effective horror writer would be more
concerned with making the supernatural events effective than making the
lead-up effective.
None of this means that what Strieber believes happened really did
happen in any "objective" sense, of course....
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Patrick
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JTyburczy
facts intersect his concerns as a novelist. >>
I agree. This is always what's bothered me about his "factual" works. The guy
has a GREAT imagination and is a gifted fantasist.
Also, you may want to add Major Ed Dames to the list of delusionals.
Aaron LeClair
any clear evidence that he is a fraud. It seems he is sincere. But
things aren't always what they seem. There is a show coming on real soon
(I think the 17th of this month) on NBC, that is kind of based on one of
his latest book.
Aaron LeClair
Howpl wrote:
> >
> >What do you all think? I am not sure if he is a fraud or not.
> >
> >
> I've asked this question before and he seems to have little support in this
> group. Streiber's stuff is of the high strangeness variety, i.e,. the branch
> of ufology that pursues links between the paranormal and UFO phenomena.
>
> The books strike me as honest. Two things bother me, though. (1) He never
> really delivers a knockout punch to the allegation that he suffers from
> temporal lobe epilepsy.
In Transformation (or maybe breakthrough) he talks about being tested many times
for epilepsy, right? The tests, showed he did not have it.
> (2) He was a fiction writer for years, and his alleged
> facts intersect his concerns as a novelist.
Yeh, this was a red flag for me many years ago. It took me awhile to really pay
much attention to Whitley's cases for awhile because of that reason alone. But I
figured aliens could abduct authors just as well as anyone else.
> I guess the question is which came
> first. The favorable interpretation is that his fiction reflected actual
> experience, though he didn't realize it until much later.
Yeh.
I'm interested in that supposed object that moved in his head. I would like to
find out more about the dr. involved. Hopefully the NBC show will go into detail.
>
>
> Howard
Aaron LeClair
Patrick wrote:
> FRAUD!!!!!!!!!
>
> Zosimo X wrote in message <36b0a451...@news.interport.net>...
Jeff Scheidel
: What do you all think? I am not sure if he is a fraud or not.
What luck, the aliens chose somebody who had the perfect characteristics
for their evil purposes -- a man with literary representation! Forget the
psychic sensitivity, the sloping brow, hyper-magnetic presence, the man
has AN AGENT !!!
E. L.
Aaron?
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Group: alt.paranet.ufo Date: Sun, Feb 7, 1999, 2:08pm (EST+5) From:
sau...@bellsouth.net (Aaron LeClair) Re: Is Whitley Strieber a fraud?
a fraud.
Patrick wrote:
FRAUD!!!!!!!!!
Zosimo X wrote in message <36b0a451...@news.interport.net>...
Aaron LeClair
E. L. wrote:
> Common sense and logic is evidence enough.
Enough for what? To draw your conclusions? Ok. That is fine with me.
My sense tells me to question common and uncommon sense:)
If by common sense you mean, sense that is common, then I will need
more to the brand of sense I use, rather tha just how common the sense
appears to be. I don't wear a hat, just cause it's popular IOWs.
> And, where is the evidence,
> Aaron?
That's just it. I haven't found good evidence yet that indicates Whitley
is a fraud. Therefore I make no leaps of faith in concluding that he is.
Bob Sweeney
Jeff Scheidel wrote in message <79qvdu$2ka$1...@remarQ.com>...
>Zosimo X (Zos...@finast.com) wrote:
>: What do you all think? I am not sure if he is a fraud or not.
>
>What luck, the aliens chose somebody who had the perfect characteristics
>for their evil purposes -- a man with literary representation! Forget the
>psychic sensitivity, the sloping brow, hyper-magnetic presence, the man
>has AN AGENT !!!
>
>jeff george
Hearing Whitney Strieber on the radio, he seems honest and well
informed on the subject of UFOs and possible EBEs visiting our
planet, but It seems he is always selling a new book. I realize he is
a writer and making a living with his yearly UFO offerings. This
latest NBC TV show called "Confirmation;Hard Evidence", to be
shown on tv later this month : will it be real evidence of alien presence
on Earth or will it be two hours of selling his latest book?
R.Sweeney
E. L.
talent for parsing words. If you believe that not just Strieber but
every abductee is telling the "truth" there's no argument from me as it
is your choice to believe the way you want to believe. By the same
token, I don't accept a single word of anything they say, especially
Strieber as he is an author of horror stories and he is just being such
for money as alien abductions is a lucrative field for the gullible.
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Group: alt.paranet.ufo Date: Thu, Feb 11, 1999, 10:59am (EST+5)
From: sau...@bellsouth.net (Aaron LeClair)
Re: Is Whitley Strieber a fraud? Of course he is!