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Being a debunker MEANS you are a liar, a useful idiot, a tool of the State and a useless eater.
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Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A.
Jan 6, 2012, 9:14:55 PM1/6/12
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Being a Debunker means never having to say you're sorry, or even
making a lick of sense! Sage advice by John F. Schuessler
Debunkers: I have heard it said that the most frustrating and least
useful aspect of ufology is the machinations of the debunkers.
Debunkers are experts at the use of disinformation, misinformation,
and propaganda. They provide prosaic explanations for everything. If
the first story gets challenged, they simply generate another story
and do not even apologize for changing their position. No information
or data supplied by the ufologist is ever good enough for them. Truth,
honesty, ethics and things like that are foreign to their way of
operating because it might erode their position. They seldom do real
investigations.
Most of their explanations are canned and used over and over so that
they do not feel it necessary to do investigations. All this is very
frustrating to the ufologists that conduct extensive investigations,
record every little detail of a UFO incident, assemble statistics,
maintain vast databases, and probably most of all, respect the good
and honest witnesses who report their UFO incidents.
Perhaps it would help ufologists to deal with the debunkers if they
understood why the debunkers act in such a manner. This is best
described in The Argument Culture, a book by Georgetown University
professor Deborah Tannen. These machinations are an example of what
the cultural linguist Walter Ong calls "agonism" or "programmed
contentiousness." Agonism does not refer to disagreement, conflict, or
vigorous dispute. It refers to ritualized opposition.
Professor Tannen says: "The way we train our students, conduct our
classes and our research, and exchange ideas at meetings and in print
are all driven by our ideological assumption that intellectual inquiry
is a metaphorical battle. Following from that is a second assumption,
that the best way to demonstrate intellectual prowess is to criticize,
find fault, and attack." Further, she says: "Many aspects of our
academic lives can be described as agonistic. For example, in our
scholarly papers, most of us follow a conventional framework that
requires us to position our work in opposition to someone else's,
which we prove wrong.
The framework tempts, almost requires us to oversimplify or even
misrepresent others' positions; cite the weakest example to make a
generally reasonable work appear less so; and ignore facts that
support other's views, citing only evidence that supports our own
positions."
This approach "fosters a stance of arrogance and narrow-mindedness."
There is much more of value in The Argument Culture, but in these few
words, I believe Professor Tannen has clearly exposed the operating
technique used by most debunkers. With this information in mind, it is
fairly obvious that we are stuck with a continuing tirade by the
debunkers and it will continue until they all die off. They are unable
to change, they are
programmed to act as they do.
Fortunately, most ufologists have no desire to play the debunkers
game. Programmed contentiousness is viewed as dishonest, unfair and
unethical. It puts an end to exploring ideas, uncovering nuances,
comparing and contrasting different interpretations of a particular
work, and gaining a deeper and more accurate understanding of the
material. It kills the quest for open-minded inquiry.
Even knowing all of this, ufologists still allow themselves to be
stressed by the actions of debunkers. A good investigator is likely to
be provoked by a debunker's announcement that a certain UFO was
actually Venus when everyone knows that Venus was not visible at the
time. A debunker's demand for "all of your investigative files so I
can identify the UFO," is another provoking ploy. They play on your
ego by saying "I have never seen any credible evidence of a UFO,"
hoping you will try to provide some evidence that will convince them.
Will it convince them? No! Their debunker's pre-subscribed dogma will
not allow it. If all else fails, they will claim it is your
responsibility as an investigator to respond to their demands. Don't
fall for that ploy. Only you and the organization you represent can
define your responsibilities.
A formula for avoiding stress caused by the actions of the debunkers
is to follow industry's lead in looking for "value added" in any
interchange or effort. If there is nothing to be gained from
responding to them, then don't do it. Apply your energies where they
will make a difference. Don't play their game. It takes two to make a
game and if you do not respond to their provocation, then they do not
have a game. They lose and you are not stressed.
making a lick of sense! Sage advice by John F. Schuessler
Debunkers: I have heard it said that the most frustrating and least
useful aspect of ufology is the machinations of the debunkers.
Debunkers are experts at the use of disinformation, misinformation,
and propaganda. They provide prosaic explanations for everything. If
the first story gets challenged, they simply generate another story
and do not even apologize for changing their position. No information
or data supplied by the ufologist is ever good enough for them. Truth,
honesty, ethics and things like that are foreign to their way of
operating because it might erode their position. They seldom do real
investigations.
Most of their explanations are canned and used over and over so that
they do not feel it necessary to do investigations. All this is very
frustrating to the ufologists that conduct extensive investigations,
record every little detail of a UFO incident, assemble statistics,
maintain vast databases, and probably most of all, respect the good
and honest witnesses who report their UFO incidents.
Perhaps it would help ufologists to deal with the debunkers if they
understood why the debunkers act in such a manner. This is best
described in The Argument Culture, a book by Georgetown University
professor Deborah Tannen. These machinations are an example of what
the cultural linguist Walter Ong calls "agonism" or "programmed
contentiousness." Agonism does not refer to disagreement, conflict, or
vigorous dispute. It refers to ritualized opposition.
Professor Tannen says: "The way we train our students, conduct our
classes and our research, and exchange ideas at meetings and in print
are all driven by our ideological assumption that intellectual inquiry
is a metaphorical battle. Following from that is a second assumption,
that the best way to demonstrate intellectual prowess is to criticize,
find fault, and attack." Further, she says: "Many aspects of our
academic lives can be described as agonistic. For example, in our
scholarly papers, most of us follow a conventional framework that
requires us to position our work in opposition to someone else's,
which we prove wrong.
The framework tempts, almost requires us to oversimplify or even
misrepresent others' positions; cite the weakest example to make a
generally reasonable work appear less so; and ignore facts that
support other's views, citing only evidence that supports our own
positions."
This approach "fosters a stance of arrogance and narrow-mindedness."
There is much more of value in The Argument Culture, but in these few
words, I believe Professor Tannen has clearly exposed the operating
technique used by most debunkers. With this information in mind, it is
fairly obvious that we are stuck with a continuing tirade by the
debunkers and it will continue until they all die off. They are unable
to change, they are
programmed to act as they do.
Fortunately, most ufologists have no desire to play the debunkers
game. Programmed contentiousness is viewed as dishonest, unfair and
unethical. It puts an end to exploring ideas, uncovering nuances,
comparing and contrasting different interpretations of a particular
work, and gaining a deeper and more accurate understanding of the
material. It kills the quest for open-minded inquiry.
Even knowing all of this, ufologists still allow themselves to be
stressed by the actions of debunkers. A good investigator is likely to
be provoked by a debunker's announcement that a certain UFO was
actually Venus when everyone knows that Venus was not visible at the
time. A debunker's demand for "all of your investigative files so I
can identify the UFO," is another provoking ploy. They play on your
ego by saying "I have never seen any credible evidence of a UFO,"
hoping you will try to provide some evidence that will convince them.
Will it convince them? No! Their debunker's pre-subscribed dogma will
not allow it. If all else fails, they will claim it is your
responsibility as an investigator to respond to their demands. Don't
fall for that ploy. Only you and the organization you represent can
define your responsibilities.
A formula for avoiding stress caused by the actions of the debunkers
is to follow industry's lead in looking for "value added" in any
interchange or effort. If there is nothing to be gained from
responding to them, then don't do it. Apply your energies where they
will make a difference. Don't play their game. It takes two to make a
game and if you do not respond to their provocation, then they do not
have a game. They lose and you are not stressed.
Sir Gilligan Horry
Jan 7, 2012, 12:39:52 AM1/7/12
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On Fri, 6 Jan 2012 18:14:55 -0800 (PST), "Sir Arthur C.B.E.
Wholeflaffers A.S.A." <sci...@zzz.com> wrote:
>Being a Debunker
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Wholeflaffers A.S.A." <sci...@zzz.com> wrote:
>Being a Debunker
Secret Access: UFO's on the Record ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgDfyQ9oxyo
_______________________
___
___
Alt Alien Research Intelligence Agency Official Admiral Wizzard.
(i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/SirGilliganHorry/Alien_UFO_Research_Intelligence_Agency.jpg)
... here... http://bit.ly/gsYSvc
"Project Mothership" UFOs Aliens Proof Evidence...
http://www.geocities.ws/project_mothership/
Documentary "WATER" ... by Saida Medvedeva.
Beautiful Documentary ...
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For Those Who Want To Know...
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Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A.
Jan 7, 2012, 7:56:53 AM1/7/12
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On Jan 6, 9:39 pm, Sir Gilligan Horry <G...@ga7rm5er.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 6 Jan 2012 18:14:55 -0800 (PST), "Sir Arthur C.B.E.
>
> On Fri, 6 Jan 2012 18:14:55 -0800 (PST), "Sir Arthur C.B.E.
>
> Wholeflaffers A.S.A." <scie...@zzz.com> wrote:
> >Being a Debunker
>
> Secret Access: UFO's on the Record ...
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgDfyQ9oxyo
>
> _______________________
>
> ___
>
> ___
>
> Alt Alien Research Intelligence Agency Official Admiral Wizzard.
> (i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/SirGilliganHorry/Alien_UFO_Research_Intelligence_Agency.jpg)
> ... here...http://bit.ly/gsYSvc
> >Being a Debunker
>
> Secret Access: UFO's on the Record ...
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgDfyQ9oxyo
>
> _______________________
>
> ___
>
> ___
>
> Alt Alien Research Intelligence Agency Official Admiral Wizzard.
> (i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/SirGilliganHorry/Alien_UFO_Research_Intelligence_Agency.jpg)
>
> "Project Mothership" UFOs Aliens Proof Evidence...http://www.geocities.ws/project_mothership/
>
> Documentary "WATER" ... by Saida Medvedeva.
> Beautiful Documentary ...http://www.voiceentertainment.net/movies/watermovie.html
> Documentary "WATER" ... by Saida Medvedeva.
>
> For Those Who Want To Know...http://www.WantToKnow.info
>
> Alien UFO Video Proof. Aliens UFOs Free Videos. Free UFO Videos...http://AliensUFOsFreeVideos.blogspot.com
Did I mention that debunkers are Life UNWORTHY of LIFE?? The proof:
Hagar, and the Traitor who fancies himself a Patriott? He's as much a
patriot as a communist.
Sir ArtiØ
The Patriot
Jan 7, 2012, 12:48:30 PM1/7/12
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"Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A."
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I love my country.
Holeflapper hates his country.
Who is the patriot and who is the traitor?
Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A.
Jan 7, 2012, 2:28:43 PM1/7/12
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On Jan 7, 9:48 am, "The Patriot" <xxx...@charter.net> wrote:
> "Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A."<scie...@zzz.com> wrote in message
Go away Commie! This group is for HONEST RESEARCHERS not some
infiltrator trying to disrupt real science.
Sir Artio
> "Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A."<scie...@zzz.com> wrote in message
infiltrator trying to disrupt real science.
Sir Artio
The Patriot
Jan 8, 2012, 11:41:46 AM1/8/12
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"Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A."
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Says you The Honest Researcher Traitor.
Like I said before, "Go take a dump you are full of
shit".
Bob Casanova
Jan 8, 2012, 1:01:50 PM1/8/12
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On Sat, 7 Jan 2012 11:28:43 -0800 (PST), the following
appeared in sci.skeptic, posted by "Sir Arthur C.B.E.
Wholeflaffers A.S.A." <sci...@zzz.com>:
>This group is for HONEST RESEARCHERS not some
>infiltrator trying to disrupt real science.
>
>Sir Artiosclerosis
You wouldn't know real science if it bit you on the ass.
--
Bob C.
"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."
- McNameless
appeared in sci.skeptic, posted by "Sir Arthur C.B.E.
Wholeflaffers A.S.A." <sci...@zzz.com>:
>This group is for HONEST RESEARCHERS not some
>infiltrator trying to disrupt real science.
>
You wouldn't know real science if it bit you on the ass.
--
Bob C.
"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."
- McNameless
Thomas Heger
Jan 8, 2012, 9:54:22 PM1/8/12
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Am 07.01.2012 03:14, schrieb Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A.:
..
contraindicative in itself.
Science is about 'finding truth' and about communication. The own group
does not define, what science is and does not tell, what you aught to
do. This is so only in unscientific circumstances, we call 'business'.
In companies you do not follow scientific agendas, but want (or: have
to) maximize to wealth of that company. But science has trouble with
'value added', because very often no value is added.
Actually knowledge is the wealth of science, but neither the group (or
its objectives) or simple money.
TH
..
> Will it convince them? No! Their debunker's pre-subscribed dogma will
> not allow it. If all else fails, they will claim it is your
> responsibility as an investigator to respond to their demands. Don't
> fall for that ploy. Only you and the organization you represent can
> define your responsibilities.
>
> A formula for avoiding stress caused by the actions of the debunkers
> is to follow industry's lead in looking for "value added" in any
> interchange or effort. If there is nothing to be gained from
> responding to them, then don't do it. Apply your energies where they
> will make a difference. Don't play their game. It takes two to make a
> game and if you do not respond to their provocation, then they do not
> have a game. They lose and you are not stressed.
This is a statement belonging to 'corporate science', what is
> not allow it. If all else fails, they will claim it is your
> responsibility as an investigator to respond to their demands. Don't
> fall for that ploy. Only you and the organization you represent can
> define your responsibilities.
>
> A formula for avoiding stress caused by the actions of the debunkers
> is to follow industry's lead in looking for "value added" in any
> interchange or effort. If there is nothing to be gained from
> responding to them, then don't do it. Apply your energies where they
> will make a difference. Don't play their game. It takes two to make a
> game and if you do not respond to their provocation, then they do not
> have a game. They lose and you are not stressed.
contraindicative in itself.
Science is about 'finding truth' and about communication. The own group
does not define, what science is and does not tell, what you aught to
do. This is so only in unscientific circumstances, we call 'business'.
In companies you do not follow scientific agendas, but want (or: have
to) maximize to wealth of that company. But science has trouble with
'value added', because very often no value is added.
Actually knowledge is the wealth of science, but neither the group (or
its objectives) or simple money.
TH
Sir Arthur CB Wholeflaffers ASA
Jan 8, 2012, 10:22:55 PM1/8/12
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honest researchers, not State or non-affiliated debunkers.
Honest researchers ARE the REAL Patriots, debunkers are useless
eaters, and life UNWORTHY of life.
Now please gather up your cult and march right to your nearest FEMA
camp. THIS ISLAND EARTH has had enough of your nonsense.
Thank you for your continued cooperation.
In service to ALL MANKIND;
Sir Artio
The Patriot
Jan 9, 2012, 12:48:18 PM1/9/12
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"Sir Arthur CB Wholeflaffers ASA" <sci...@zzz.com>
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Request to service all mankind is denied.
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