Bob Dylan Fans....a bit sad eh?
Will Dockery
> A sorry, sad bunch arent you?
>
> Well, c'mon let's face it. I would think most of you are a bit like
> the loser in Don't Look Back who gets verbally destroyed by Dylan in
> the dressing room.
> You see, Dylan is hip. He looks (and always has looked) cool, he is
> clever, he is handsome. You lot are not!
>
> Do you honestly think that Bob Dylan enjoys having his work
> scrutinised by you and your type? "Oh he sang that line brilliantly",
> "no, i preferred it in Red Bluff", "Actually i'm an intellectual like
> Bob", "No, i'm more of an intellectual because i have seen him 20
> times this year and i know he saw me in the front row and anyway, i've
> had a letter published in The Bridge..so there".
>
> What an interesting morning i've had....(not really)
>
> I happened to chance upon a copy of the latest edition of a Dylan
> fanzine called The Bridge. Oh...my...god. The `introduction` has this
> regarding the VERY funny and VERY humerous `concert intro`:
>
> `One negative feature of the shows was the continued use of the
> lenghty new stage announcement which introduces Dylan. It is really
> unworthy of Dylan to use this as it seeks to paint a pen portrait of
> the man - his achievemants and difficulties. Dylan has always let his
> music do the talking on stage - the simple announcement worked and he
> does not need someone telling us he invented folk-rock or whatever`
>
> The magazine was quickly flung back to the person who handed it to me
> this morning. I mean, are these guys serious?? They dont see classic
> Dylan humour in said intro?? Are they balding or greying (or both) old
> men with no lives? Ever had a youth? Ever smoked a joint? Ever fallen
> in love with someone you shouldnt have fallen in love with??
>
> "My inside information suggests Bob will play in Australia next year
> and I think February would be a good time. I dont think it's a good
> idea that he plays Watchtower as i feel it has run it's course and
> actually, i know everything".
>
> "You subscribe to this rubbish?"
> "Yes, there are some very interesting opinions on Bob's work"
>
> Ever seen the front row of a Bob Dylan concert in the UK? It's like a
> white Christmas. Rows of grey haired old men. Standing. Staring. Being
> boring.
> Wouldnt it piss you off seeing the same mugs night in night out?
>
> "Did he miss a line in Visions Of Johanna?"
> "Yes he did, terrible isnt it?"
> Yes...i think he's past it. How does he do it though"
> "Gee...how does he do it".....he is a MUSICIAN
> "I mean, why does he stay on the road so much".....he is a MUSICIAN
>
> I fondly remember Wembley 2000 when all the old men were replaced by
> Women and girls at the front. Now, that's Bob Dylan. Thats someone who
> has had enough. Thats someone who wants to Rock `n Roll. Genius move.
>
> "But Bob what about the people who were Queuing for hours and hours?"
> "Fuck `em. They are boring and i prefer chicks at the front of my
> shows"
>
> Amen.
>
> Bob Dylan fans....a bit sad eh?
>
>
> Steve.
Well said... very much like the laughable "Beatniks" I'm running
across that couldn't last a day with real hardscrabble hipsterism. Bro
Bob is a "Hero Of The Highest Order" as Ronnie Hawkins once proclaimed
(caught on film in Renaldo & Clara)
Rev. Mack
>
> Well said... very much like the laughable "Beatniks" I'm running
> across that couldn't last a day with real hardscrabble hipsterism. Bro
> Bob is a "Hero Of The Highest Order"
to which I reply.....
Bob Dylan is just a guy from Minnesota that did some
good work in the early sixties.
You think it was cool the way he behaved when he
played London, as seen in "Don't Look Back"?
All I saw was a young guy nervous as hell about how
his performance would go over and ripping into some
unsuspecting stranger to relieve tension. It was fairly
astute the way he treated the Time magazine guy, though.
Bob Dylan isn't a hero. Sure, he put out some okay tunes.
Maybe he'll be playing that second inaugural too and
y'all can hang out and be hip together.
You can read him your poetry.
Rev. Mack
> bwsouth...@hotmail.com (Steve Jones) wrote in message news:<17682e8f.0212...@posting.google.com>...
> > A sorry, sad bunch arent you?
>
PS If you don't like cross-posting, talk to Will Dockery.
He puts all these news groups together and I don't know
how to get rid of them when I reply to him. How does he
do that anyway? I don't know how to cross-post.
Peter Ceresole
revere...@hotmail.com (Rev. Mack) wrote:
>PS If you don't like cross-posting, talk to Will Dockery.
>He puts all these news groups together and I don't know
>how to get rid of them when I reply to him. How does he
>do that anyway? I don't know how to cross-post.
It's okay; he's doing you a favour. By his abusive cross posting he's
clearly flagging up his lack of worth and of consideration for others.
Killfile him if you can, or just delete his posts. Either way, it's no big
deal.
--
Peter
Eddie '/Hi There!'/ Lowther
There is a guy named Leo "I am NOT Garry Denke, Geologist" Sgourooz
who can do it.
Ask him. I think it involves the CONTROL button.
E.
--
Hey, Mr. Tambourine Man, play a song for me,
I'm not sleepy and there ain't no place I'm going to.
Will Dockery
I think you're wrong, Peter, and I've written that already. You don't
know shit about the value of Crossposting... or the value of Steve's
words... you're just the kind of simpering asswipe that Dylan would
smile at. You want to go Killfile yourself, do so... don't waste space
on a great thread that I want mmore people to see and add to... take
your own advice and "get out of the way if'n you can't lend a hand..."
Your little cliquie tea party may be getting rattled because "mama's
in the basement mixing up the medicine..." and we might just spike
your tea.
Have a little Texas Medicine and call me in the morning...
As Ever,
Doc Infinity.
Beable van Polasm
>
> revere...@hotmail.com (Rev. Mack) wrote in message
> news:<5fd9571e.02121...@posting.google.com>...
> >
> > He puts all these news groups together and I don't know
> > how to get rid of them when I reply to him. How does he
> > do that anyway? I don't know how to cross-post.
>
> There is a guy named Leo "I am NOT Garry Denke, Geologist" Sgourooz
> who can do it.
>
> Ask him. I think it involves the CONTROL button.
My computer doesn't even HAVE a CONTROL button! But it's got
TWO "CTRL" buttons, and a META button, and a HYPER button.
The HYPER button is my favourite. Oh, and FRONT. I like that
one too.
--
cheers
Beable van Polasm
Perl 6 will give you the big knob. -- Larry Wall
http://beable.com
Peter Ceresole
opb...@yahoo.com (Will Dockery) wrote:
>I think you're wrong, Peter, and I've written that already. You don't
>know shit about the value of Crossposting
I know lots about cross posting; enough to know that the way you do it is
bad and antisocial. It has no value whatsoever. If I want bad poetry I know
where to go to find it. Don't try to impose it on others who don't choose
to go there.
As for your "great thread" it is a rambling mess, and your extraordinarily
inflated opinion of yourself with your meaningless, pretentious Dylan and
Beat references is sadly all of a piece with your arrogant assumption that
people don't know what they want to read, so they should be made to read
your nonsense whether or not they choose to.
Please spare us your contributions in alt.book.beatgeneration. Just tell us
where you are posting your deeply average poetry, and those who wish to do
so can follow you.
--
Peter
Will Dockery
> In article <a19e9c02.02121...@posting.google.com>,
> opb...@yahoo.com (Will Dockery) wrote:
>
> >I think you're wrong, Peter, and I've written that already. You don't
> >know shit about the value of Crossposting
>
> I know lots about cross posting;
I know all the conventional wisdom about how Crossposting is terrible,
et cetera... I am of the opinion that stuffy little assholes who
insist on calling me on my Crossposting with purpose to be the real
drag. I think it's time for me to ask you who you are and what you
do... that's what usually happens at this point in the conversation...
ya'll fuckwits usually never answer... are you a poet? Moderator of
alt.beatnik? I could look you up in the archives, but since you're
wasting all this precious time of mine that I could be using
otherwise, i.e. writing poems (so you think they're bad, that's no
surprise considering the creepy jackass you seem to be) or
Croos-Posting (sounds Biblical) somer important tid bit of great
cultural significance... ah, fuck it... why not just Killfile me and
shut the fuck up? LOL Or be my friend, since I now live next door, ya
bigot.
enough to know that the way you do it is
> bad and antisocial.
Awwwwwwwwwww, sort of like me in the real world then--- this is
becoming clear! Thanks!
It has no value whatsoever.
Wrong, wrong, wrong. Posts like yours, Peter, are the ones that lack
value.
If I want bad poetry I know
> where to go to find it.
Yep: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ironywaves
Don't try to impose it on others who don't choose
> to go there.
Go then, Peter! Go! Go! Go!
>
> As for your "great thread" it is a rambling mess, and your extraordinarily
> inflated opinion of yourself with your meaningless, pretentious Dylan and
> Beat references is sadly all of a piece with your arrogant assumption that
> people don't know what they want to read, so they should be made to read
> your nonsense whether or not they choose to.
Fair enough... at last your contribution has some merit.
>
> Please spare us your contributions in alt.book.beatgeneration. Just tell us
> where you are posting your deeply average poetry,
Pkay... now you've GOT to post some of your poems... with such learned
opinions, you'd BETTER be able to match mine. Yep, this is an old
fashioned dick comparing contest, so whip it out... faggot. Sorry.
That was crude.
and those who wish to do
> so can follow you.
Tell ya what, just skip anything that has my name on it, you're
wasting my time, and you do nothing but try to be a Spanner In The
Works.
Garry Denke
> edl...@netscape.net (Eddie '/Hi There!'/ Lowther) writes:
> >
> > revere...@hotmail.com (Rev. Mack) wrote in message
> > news:<5fd9571e.02121...@posting.google.com>...
> > >
> > > PS If you don't like cross-posting, talk to Will Dockery.
> > > He puts all these news groups together and I don't know
> > > how to get rid of them when I reply to him. How does he
> > > do that anyway? I don't know how to cross-post.
> >
> > There is a guy named Leo "I am NOT Garry Denke, Geologist" Sgourooz
> > who can do it.
"It is done."
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>I know all the conventional wisdom about how Crossposting is terrible,
>et cetera... I am of the opinion that stuffy little assholes who
>insist on calling me on my Crossposting with purpose to be the real
>drag.
Well that's your opinion; no more and no less. And in my opinion, no use.
Conventional wisdom often has a pretty solid basis in reality, and except
in rare and specific cases crossposting is a lousy idea.
Newsgroups have titles. The idea is to inject some element of choice into
the lives of people who use them. Having read a couple of your poems, as I
said I find them not bad, but deeply average. They neither move me nor
interest me. That says nothing about your poems, just about my reaction to
them. I enjoy Elliott and Pound, although not as much as I enjoy the novels
of Anthony Powell. But I have all these on my book shelves. The point about
named newsgroups is that they give people some opportunity to narrow down
the stream of stuff out there- and the opportunity to go out and find what
they need when they need it.
I subscribe to alt.books.beatgeneration because I enjoy many of the novels
of Kerouac and Burroughs and the history of the time, and because I have
met there people with whom I have discussed things from a standpoint of
mutual interest. Of the people I encounter on Usenet, some have become good
email friends, some excellent flesh and blood friends. They are not "like
me"; the point is to meet new people and although there are plenty of
groups on Usenet for that, the best friends seem to emerge from focused
groups. Not that surprising, I guess.
I can, of course, avoid reading your crossposted messes, and in general I
do. But I don't enjoy having to download and faff about with turgid,
incompetently quoted and infinitely long nonsense which belongs in some
other place.
As for my poetry, there is none. Why should there be? I've told you what I
think of your production but I claim no virtue for my position. Just the
freedom to use Usenet in a rational and time saving way. You ask what I do;
I am retired after 36 years as a documentary TV producer at the BBC. It was
a frantic 36 years, in which I met and talked with Jean Monnet and Saddam
Hussein among many others. Now I'm retired, no more deadlines, I am
infinitely grateful that I met these people, and just as grateful to have
stopped meeting most of them. No more aeroplanes, no more midnights in the
cutting rooms. I'm happy to go on seeing the general, the UN agency people
and the scientists that I befriended. There are plenty of newsgroups that
deal with current affairs and TV; I don't wish to go there, nor to think
about this stuff more than occasionally, like any sane citizen.
So that's it, Please stop crossposting to alt.books.beatgeneration.
--
Peter
andy
> revere...@hotmail.com (Rev. Mack) wrote in message news:<5fd9571e.02121...@posting.google.com>...
> > opb...@yahoo.com (Will Dockery) wrote in message news:<a19e9c02.02121...@posting.google.com>...
> > > bwsouth...@hotmail.com (Steve Jones) wrote in message news:<17682e8f.0212...@posting.google.com>...
> > > > A sorry, sad bunch arent you?
> > >
> > > Well said...
> >
> > PS If you don't like cross-posting, talk to Will Dockery.
> > He puts all these news groups together and I don't know
> > how to get rid of them when I reply to him. How does he
> > do that anyway? I don't know how to cross-post.
>
> There is a guy named Leo "I am NOT Garry Denke, Geologist" Sgourooz
> who can do it.
>
> Ask him. I think it involves the CONTROL button.
>
> E.
phrase it "there is no place i'm going to" not "there ain't..."
Kevin S. Wilson
>regarding the lyric quoted from mr. tambourine man : the correct
>phrase it "there is no place i'm going to" not "there ain't..."
Oh, is that how "the correct" phrase it? Well what do you know? I
guess all this time I just haven't been among "the correct." Thanks
for enlightening me (NOT!).
This sort of thing just pisses me off. A bunch of people nobody ever
heard of get together and decide that there's just one right way to do
something, whether its how someone refers to minorities like blacks
and women or how someone does something as small and unimportant as
writing a song. There can only be ONE way, because "the correct" have
decided, and that ONE way becomes the Politically Correct way.
ALL HAIL THE POLITICALLY CORRECT CORRECT PEOPLE.
They make me sick. Really.
It reminds me of that Don Henley song, "Get Over It."
"I'd like to find your inner child/and make him quit kicking the back
of the seat."
--
Kevin S. Wilson
Tech Writer at a University Somewhere in Idaho
"You can safely ignore Kevin in order to
maximise life's experience." --A. Loon, in alt.religion.kibology
Will Dockery
your twighlight years any more than needed. I'll keep my posting on
alt.books.beatgeneration on the low low. I can't really stop
altogether, but I'll try to keep it to something I feel I MUST put in
there, rather than trying to jerk an asshole's chain.
I don't see you as one of those assholes any more, Peter. There may be
scads of them on alt.beat.generation, but you come across as a good
fellow. A tired fellow, but good. And I can understand tired. So take
care, pal, you'll be seeing much less of me on alt.beatnik.com from
now on... I'll be around, but only in emergency cases, like when I
have a really good poem to share, or some Kerouac thought.
I don't like fucking with alt.dylan either, much, but now and again
there's some good stuff there... so you rec.arts.dylan folks can
stifle your howls... you folks aready know I hardly post with you, so
hopefully you won't draw me over with insults... that's how I usually
wind up joining new groups, the answer the shrill whining.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ironywaves
pe...@cara.demon.co.uk (Peter Ceresole) wrote in message news:<BA1FA0EE9...@cara.demon.co.uk>...
Rev. Magdalen
news:BA1FA0EE9...@cara.demon.co.uk
I'll pay you ten dollars to convince him to get out of alt.slack, too.
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the way yours is ("--"). -- Some Linux Freak
nenslo
>
>
> > So that's it, Please stop crossposting to alt.books.beatgeneration.
>
> I'll pay you ten dollars to convince him to get out of alt.slack, too.
>
>
Rev. Magdalen
news:3DFA746A...@yahooX.com
You don't have ten dollars, you creepy old hippie. You pay for
everything by bartering granola and walnuts.
Will Dockery
> A sorry, sad bunch arent you?
>
> the loser in Don't Look Back who gets verbally destroyed by Dylan in
> the dressing room.
Who threw the fucking glass out of the fucking window, man??? And for
that matter, who was the fool that threw the basket in the pool???
> You see, Dylan is hip. He looks (and always has looked) cool, he is
> clever, he is handsome. You lot are not!
>
Always the benchmark for cool. Thus the hatred he garners from all
quarters.
> Do you honestly think that Bob Dylan enjoys having his work
> scrutinised by you and your type?
Oh he may "enjoy" it but he sure doesn't give a fuck.
"Oh he sang that line brilliantly",
> "no, i preferred it in Red Bluff", "Actually i'm an intellectual like
> Bob", "No, i'm more of an intellectual because i have seen him 20
> times this year and i know he saw me in the front row and anyway, i've
> had a letter published in The Bridge..so there".
He DID wink at my former girl friend, Dark Queen, when he played here
in Shadowville in 1997 to an almost empty Civic Center. Maybe if he
DOES read this, here is her poetry site:
http://www.angelfire.com/al2/queenjane/index2.html
A couple of very young girls were flashing their tits at him at the
edge of the stage, to which he grinned sheepishly.
>
> What an interesting morning i've had....(not really)
Coffee, joint and a blow job, best way to start the day.
>
> I happened to chance upon a copy of the latest edition of a Dylan
> fanzine called The Bridge. Oh...my...god. The `introduction` has this
> regarding the VERY funny and VERY humerous `concert intro`:
>
> `One negative feature of the shows was the continued use of the
> lenghty new stage announcement which introduces Dylan. It is really
> unworthy of Dylan to use this as it seeks to paint a pen portrait of
> the man - his achievemants and difficulties. Dylan has always let his
> music do the talking on stage - the simple announcement worked and he
> does not need someone telling us he invented folk-rock or whatever`
Aha! An excuse to Crosspost this to alt.zines!
>
> The magazine was quickly flung back to the person who handed it to me
> this morning. I mean, are these guys serious?? They dont see classic
> Dylan humour in said intro?? Are they balding or greying (or both) old
> men with no lives? Ever had a youth? Ever smoked a joint? Ever fallen
> in love with someone you shouldnt have fallen in love with??
Yep... and alt.books.beatgeneration gets a Crosspost for this
excellent capsule explanation of the pros and cons of neo-Beat life...
Heh.
>
> "My inside information suggests Bob will play in Australia next year
> and I think February would be a good time. I dont think it's a good
> idea that he plays Watchtower as i feel it has run it's course and
> actually, i know everything".
Well, fuck me, then.
>
> "You subscribe to this rubbish?"
> "Yes, there are some very interesting opinions on Bob's work"
Right, fanboy.
>
> Ever seen the front row of a Bob Dylan concert in the UK? It's like a
> white Christmas. Rows of grey haired old men. Standing. Staring. Being
> boring.
> Wouldnt it piss you off seeing the same mugs night in night out?
The same show where Dylan winked at Dark Queen and was flashed by
jailbait, these big fat sci-fi fan looking guys where clustered by the
stage...
>
> "Did he miss a line in Visions Of Johanna?"
> "Yes he did, terrible isnt it?"
> Yes...i think he's past it. How does he do it though"
> "Gee...how does he do it".....he is a MUSICIAN
> "I mean, why does he stay on the road so much".....he is a MUSICIAN
And a poet and capable of switching lines, and rearranging them. And
an actor, and mighty fine guitarist last time out for me.
>
> I fondly remember Wembley 2000 when all the old men were replaced by
> Women and girls at the front. Now, that's Bob Dylan. Thats someone who
> has had enough. Thats someone who wants to Rock `n Roll. Genius move.
Like the Baptist ministry... what's the main reason to
preach/write/perform? "The fried chicken and the pussy..."
>
> "But Bob what about the people who were Queuing for hours and hours?"
> "Fuck `em. They are boring and i prefer chicks at the front of my
> shows"
>
And have Jewel thrown out... gimmie a real woman! LOL
> Amen.
>
> Bob Dylan fans....a bit sad eh?
Has its ups and downs.
>
>
> Steve.
Peter Ceresole
>So take
>care, pal, you'll be seeing much less of me on alt.beatnik.com from
>now on... I'll be around, but only in emergency cases, like when I
>have a really good poem to share, or some Kerouac thought.
So why are there seven new Dockery posts in alt.books.beatgeneration this
morning, all of them cross-posted to hell?
It seems you are not to be trusted, except to make a mess.
Just a creep, after all. Pity.
--
Peter
Patrick
call other people sad. Get a life!
Will Dockery
No, I had to make a few posts that were important to me... I haven't
forgotten you, BUT I do feel that I have a place on
alt.books.beatnik... in fact, if you had not answered this, there's no
way this would have shown up again on your group. I said I would cut
it down, Peter... not stop altogether... Jeeze, don't be such a
grouch! It's very UnBeat of you... unless you're shooting for
Kerouac's tragic last "Fat Elvis" days in Florida... lighten up, just
a bit, please?
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ironywaves
"I have dined with Kings up in Opera Wings, and I've nevah beeeen too
impressed!!!"- Bob Dylan.
Peter Ceresole
>No, I had to make a few posts that were important to me... I haven't
>forgotten you, BUT I do feel that I have a place on
>alt.books.beatnik... in fact, if you had not answered this, there's no
>way this would have shown up again on your group. I said I would cut
>it down, Peter... not stop altogether
Over 10 abusively crossposted articles today alone. You haven't even begun
to cut down or to behave in a civilised way.
All you have to do is to cut alt.books.beatgeneration out of the
newsgroups, but you haven't. You are lying. It's a pity, but you are.
--
Peter
Will Dockery
That's stupid... have have no need to lie. Get it straight: I'll post
at alt.beatniks WHEN I feel the need... go have some tea or something,
you're very annoying.
Interesting found thouights on rocks, just can't
resist passing along, reminded me so clearly of a
reincarnation discussion with Fawn Greyhound of a
couple years back (I had noticed that one of the big
deals of re-incarnation was that once a person lives a
perfect life, he/she goes to Nirvana and never
returns, so I said I'd have to keep making mistakes
because I like it HERE!) when Fawn said simply and
sadly: "I want to reincarnate... as a rock.":
" ...Reminds me also of how rocks decide to become
lead or silver, for example,
>and not some other metal. So much depends on the star
lottery.
LOL! do rocks have the same kind of will as human
beings? if so, their
magic might be similar. I'd gathered it was different
and slower.
It's very funny. As a civilization, we've put so much
work into
anthropomorphizing the alchemical principles that used
to describe the
development and "urges" of rocks -- sulfur, mercury
and salt now stand for
the fundamental drives of buddhist psychology, or
whatever.
Perhaps one clue to unraveling rocks' wills would be
to play the tape
backward and apply the fundamental drives of buddhist
psychology to the
sulfur, mercury and salt.
Either way, mineral life is generally accepted to be
profoundly sluggish..."
(found on Usenet)
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