Crowley and L. Ron Hubbard
William Barwell
Greetings From Dobbstown.
I am looking for anybody with a special interest in Aleister Crowley
who may know of any hard evidence that Crowley actually knew
L. Ron Hubbard, founder of the cult Scientology. It is known Hubbard was
indeed a member of he OTO in the 50's with Jack Parsons in
California. Apparently there is at least one letter by Crowley
who was of the opinion both of the were 'moon calves'.
I have heard that a cache of Crowley materials and letters is in Austin
somewhere? Has anybody got any information about letters by Crowley?
I have any number of critical books on LRH detailing his OTO days,
but I am trying to find harder evidence if I can that indeed Hubbard was
involved with OTO. Scientologists heatedly deny it.
Any help in pointing me to any such evidence would be most appreciated.
Pope Charles
SubGenius Pope Of Houston
"Bob" loves you!
Bill Heidrick
>I am looking for anybody with a special interest in Aleister Crowley
>who may know of any hard evidence that Crowley actually knew
>L. Ron Hubbard, founder of the cult Scientology.
At the time Hubbard was around, Crowley was in England and Hubbard was
in the US. Ergo, they did not meet. I know of no correspondence
between the two or of any definite mention of Hubbard's full name by
Crowley.
>It is known Hubbard was
>indeed a member of he OTO in the 50's with Jack Parsons in
>California.
L.Ron Hubbard was never a member of O.T.O. I have the full membership
list of Agape Lodge (1935 to c.1948 e.v.), and his name does not appear
on the rolls. Agape Lodge was not in operation in the 1950's, and Jack
Parsons died in 1952 e.v. The principal interaction between Parsons
and Hubbard was in 1946 e.v., outside O.T.O. Parsons was head of Lodge
for a short time, but Hubbard never joined.
>Apparently there is at least one letter by Crowley
>who was of the opinion both of the were 'moon calves'.
Not exactly. Crowley came close to accusing Parsons of trying to create
a "Moon Child". Crowley's opinion of Hubbard in the correspondence of
the time was subordinated to what Hubbard was alleged to have done to
Parsons.
>I have heard that a cache of Crowley materials and letters is in Austin
>somewhere?
University of Texas at Austin, Harry Ransome Humanities Research Center.
--- Gardner correspondence is there too.
>I have any number of critical books on LRH detailing his OTO days,
>but I am trying to find harder evidence if I can that indeed Hubbard was
>involved with OTO. Scientologists heatedly deny it.
Better either read them more closely or junk 'em for better. Hubbard acted
as Parsons' scribe during a Magical working, but that was largely kept from
O.T.O. members so that Parsons wouldn't get in trouble with Crowley.
You need to read Parsons' Liber 49 (Book of Babalon, Antichrist working &c.)
93 93/93
Bill Heidrick
Crazy Fingers
William Barwell <wbar...@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM> wrote:
>
>Greetings From Dobbstown.
>
{what I sincerely hope was a joke ommitted}
>I have heard that a cache of Crowley materials and letters is in Austin
>somewhere? Has anybody got any information about letters by Crowley?
Just one small point of pride...
Indiana University'd Lilly Library has one of the largest collection of
letters and books by Crowley. Many of them have his personal notes
handwritten in the margins. Most of them are original.
Whether this is a good or bad thing is up for debate in a newsgroup like
this, I'm sure.
Blessed Be
--Crazy Fingers
Lorrie Wood
Bill Heidrick <heid...@well.sf.ca.us> wrote:
>
>That's usually not a problem. I can email the file to individuals,
>but my mailer uses MIME 64base (Pine mailer). Not all mailers can
>decode an attached file from that encoding.
Okay, so why not read it in instead of including it as an attachment?
There are *many many* people whose mailers don't grok MIME -- and they
don't -have- to be excluded if you just read in the file, instead of
attaching it. I've worked with pine and pico -- it doesn't have to be MIME.
-- Lorrie, perplexed.
William Barwell
Lorrie Wood <lor...@mellers1.psych.berkeley.edu> wrote:
>In article <3ivfg6$e...@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM>,
>William Barwell <wbar...@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM> wrote:
>>
>>No joke. Many Hubbard worshippers claim Ron invented all
>>his concepts himself. That he may have simply recast ancient
>>ideas Crowley passed on to him is a message this strange cult does
>>not want to hear.
>
> Might wanna watch what you say about Scientologists, Your Poposity,
>they got lawyers, guns, -and- money. Didja hear abot the guy at Netcom
>where they invaded his house, confiscated his hard drives as evidence,
>and tried to sue -Netcom- for the audacity of allowing him to post?
Actually, I have been elbow deep in the gore on alt.religion.scientology
for some months there. An extremely nasty and hostile enviroment.
It actually was wierder than suing Netcom, but that is a very long and
utterly weird story.
> Funny thing, when he got his hard drives back, all info on
>Scientology was mysteriously missing.
Actually they sued the guy, Dennis Erlich for copyright violation. he was
an ex-member who posted embarressing things from teh churches own
rule book. They seized all his back up tapes, all his floppies and then
scanned his hard disk deleting all his files that mention scientology
in any way.
> What the hell -is- up with Scientology, though? My fiance asked
>me last night, 'What do Scientologists -do-, anyway?' I had no answer,
>except that I thought that 'Dianetics' sounds an awful lot like 'Diuretics,'
>so maybe it was all about pee?
>
Well first you audit out all your engrams. Certain memories your
brain has that causes it to work all wrong. (Only scientologists canbe
called sane you see.) Some of these engrams come from past lives.
Very past lives. Back when we were all little clams for instance.
Clam engrams cause jaw pains. So if I make a puppet like hand gesture of
a snapping thumb and hand remotely like a clam, and talk about clams, it
will restimulate your clam 'engrams' and your jaw will hurt cause clams
had problems with their hinges. Yes LRH really said this!
After all your engrams are audited away, you work on your BTs.
Body Thetans. You are really a Thetan. Your body, your GE is reallly an
artifical trap for Thetans designed trillions of years ago by an evil
scientist name Yatra to help his evil boss Xenu conquere the universe.
First you have to get your BTs to blow. Body Thetans are thetans so
degraded they can no longer hold a GE, a genetic entity, that is a
body. So they parasitize your thetan. Actually your body is really
trillions of compressed BTs and clusters of BTS. You have to get rid
of the bad ones. This takes years and is very, very expensive.
It really is a modern variation of Vallentian Gnostic Christianity.
We would be perfect except for all these demons that infest us.
Scientology is simple a form of exorcism.
Hubbard claimed you could eventually abandon GEs, bodies and be a free
floating Thetan again. But not in this lifetime.
But by going all the way at least to OT-8, Operating Thetan 8, you can
start the next life without so many engrams and BTs. Ron will return
soon to a new body to take up his task making up better and more expensive
ways to wrangle them bad BTs so eventually after enough lifetimes,
Scientologists will finally be able to drop their bodies all together
and be Thetans again like they were before Xenu tricked them. Many
OT8s were members of the elite paramilitary Sea Org and sign one billion
year contracts. They mean it.
Scientology in a nut shell, oversimplified, and yes, I am not making
this up.
Poor little clams! Snap! Snap! Snap!
Poor little clams! Snap! Snap! Snap!
Bill Heidrick
>I don't suppose that the Harry Ransome Humanities Research Center was
>kind enough to put their Crowley/Gardner files on the Net, were they?
The really interesting stuff there is not even catalogued properly,
let alone ASCII'd. It's the largest public collection of Crowley and
Golden Dawn material in the US.
93 93/93
Bill Heidrick
William Barwell
I generally use PICO too. I do not grok mime at all.
Often I down load files and use a dos editor.
Or AMIpro.
Thomas W. Carroll
>In article <3ivfg6$e...@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM>,
>William Barwell <wbar...@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM> wrote:
>>
>>No joke. Many Hubbard worshippers claim Ron invented all
>>his concepts himself. That he may have simply recast ancient
>>ideas Crowley passed on to him is a message this strange cult does
>>not want to hear.
>
> Might wanna watch what you say about Scientologists, Your Poposity,
>they got lawyers, guns, -and- money. Didja hear abot the guy at Netcom
>where they invaded his house, confiscated his hard drives as evidence,
>and tried to sue -Netcom- for the audacity of allowing him to post?
>Scientology was mysteriously missing.
>me last night, 'What do Scientologists -do-, anyway?' I had no answer,
>except that I thought that 'Dianetics' sounds an awful lot like 'Diuretics,'
>so maybe it was all about pee?
>
>
Maybe they are a part of the Illuminati, by the way when you X Sci Fi folks come to
get me, I am using a friends computer, so the address is wrong, I can be uprooted
and destroyed at JDB...@Indiana.edu
Blessed Be
Mats Andtbacka
[...]
>No joke. Many Hubbard worshippers claim Ron invented all
>his concepts himself. That he may have simply recast ancient
>ideas Crowley passed on to him is a message this strange cult does
>not want to hear.
My own arrogant, utterly ignorant opinion: if Hubbard only _had_
borrowed from Crowley to any significant extent, Scientology would
likely have turned out making more sense.
--
" devils speak of the ways in which she'll manifest
angels bleed from the tainted touch of my caress
need to contaminate to alleviate this loneliness
i now know the depths i reach are limitless " - NIN
mandtbac_n...@casa.ima.infomail.com
Subject: Re: Crowley and L. Ron Hubbard
Organization: Unorganized Usenet Postings UnInc.
---
# Origin: Usenet:Unorganized Usenet Postings UnInc. (1:12/98.1)