Network Question

Seti Cruncher

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Apr 26, 2004, 1:53:30 AM4/26/04

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Hi all,

Network question for anyone with a little knowledge on this matter...

I have two computers hooked up to the internet (both XP Pro) through a
syslink router and the XP network wizard recommends against networking the
two machines together in this manner.

Talking to a local computer Tech he tells me no problem just configure the
router to assign a different IP to each machine and all should work well.
I've played with my router but I have no idea how to assign a seperate IP to
each machine.

Can some one offer me a step by step instruction on how to assign IP's to
different machines and how to get them to "see" each other through a router,
or do I need something else to make this work?

Any help or guidence would be appreciated.

SC

Declan Swan

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Apr 26, 2004, 2:24:46 AM4/26/04

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Z

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Apr 26, 2004, 2:24:53 AM4/26/04

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Seti Cruncher wrote:
> Talking to a local computer Tech he tells me no problem just configure the
> router to assign a different IP to each machine and all should work well.
> I've played with my router but I have no idea how to assign a seperate IP to
> each machine.

Log into the router, tell it to act as DHCP server and
set the max # of clients to >= 2.

Make sure the PCs are set to Obtain an IP Address auto-
matically.

> Can some one offer me a step by step instruction on how to assign IP's to
> different machines and how to get them to "see" each other through a router,
> or do I need something else to make this work?

The router will assign the IPs from the address range
you tell it to use.

To configure the router, browse to the router's IP
(Default: 192.168.1.1, IIRC) and log in. Then diddle
what you need.

Kadaitcha Man

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Apr 26, 2004, 5:29:34 AM4/26/04

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Z wrote:
> Seti Cruncher wrote:
>> Talking to a local computer Tech he tells me no problem just
>> configure the router to assign a different IP to each machine and
>> all should work well. I've played with my router but I have no idea
>> how to assign a seperate IP to each machine.
>
> Log into the router, tell it to act as DHCP server and
> set the max # of clients to >= 2.
>
> Make sure the PCs are set to Obtain an IP Address auto-
> matically.

BWAGAGAGAGAGAGAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

>> Can some one offer me a step by step instruction on how to assign
>> IP's to different machines and how to get them to "see" each other
>> through a router, or do I need something else to make this work?
>
> The router will assign the IPs from the address range
> you tell it to use.
>
> To configure the router, browse to the router's IP
> (Default: 192.168.1.1, IIRC) and log in. Then diddle
> what you need.

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us...@nix.net

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Apr 26, 2004, 6:48:07 AM4/26/04

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On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 19:29:34 +1000, "Kadaitcha Man" <nos...@kadaitcha.cx>:

>Z wrote:
>> Seti Cruncher wrote:
>>> Talking to a local computer Tech he tells me no problem just
>>> configure the router to assign a different IP to each machine and
>>> all should work well. I've played with my router but I have no idea
>>> how to assign a seperate IP to each machine.
>>
>> Log into the router, tell it to act as DHCP server and
>> set the max # of clients to >= 2.
>>
>> Make sure the PCs are set to Obtain an IP Address auto-
>> matically.
>
>BWAGAGAGAGAGAGAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
>

Hey, that's right though, but it's ok to have a good laugh.

You can be extra clever and set up some perm assigned leases as well.
Just get the MAC address of each NIC and in the DHCP config section
of the routers' admin facility, set a 'fixed IP address' for each address.
Like So:
MAC: 00:0f:95:2e:d6:d6 | IP: 192.168.1.10
etc.

BTW: If you don't know how to get the MAC addresses, it would be some good
homework for you.

That way, even though they are being dynamically assigned, if there are
lots of mobile computers on your network, you will still know what the IP
addresses of your 2 main boxen are. This may seem trivial, but when you are
managing are large network it comes in REAL handy.

You can also do all sorts of cool stuff with DHCP, like updated DNS server
allocation, although per se, most general DSL modem/routers are pretty crap
pieces of hardware, and you need the extensibility of some shell scripting
to do this.

One of the most common problems is with NAT, where the modem will just hang
every now and again, especially if you try to tack a wireless router onto
the end like many a hapless user have done, you will be NAT'ing twice which
is amateurish. It's best to just rip out all the virtual networking, and
let a Linux boxen or similar do the job. I call it de-fanging the router,
'cause it's too stupid to have teeth.

Stick with Lucent, or Cisco, and not crappy domestic D-Link or Netgear etc.
Unfortunately most providers in AUS stick with these, 'cause they reckon
they're bomb proof - LOL

The reason you are being told all this is 'cause what ISP's in Australia
provide for general customers is a pretty fucking big insult, and if you
have the knowledge, you get to be above all the other customers that just
plug-n-go.

Make your ISP work for you.

Get them to give you the info till they're completely fed up with your lack
of experience and then diddle 'till your hearts content!

>>> Can some one offer me a step by step instruction on how to assign
>>> IP's to different machines and how to get them to "see" each other
>>> through a router, or do I need something else to make this work?
>>
>> The router will assign the IPs from the address range
>> you tell it to use.
>>
>> To configure the router, browse to the router's IP
>> (Default: 192.168.1.1, IIRC) and log in. Then diddle
>> what you need.

For consideration please send a text (ASCII) or HTML version of your resume.

=SIGKILL

Seti Cruncher

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Apr 26, 2004, 9:55:41 AM4/26/04

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<us...@nix.net> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 19:29:34 +1000, "Kadaitcha Man" <nos...@kadaitcha.cx>:
>
> >Z wrote:
> >> Seti Cruncher wrote:
> >>> Talking to a local computer Tech he tells me no problem just
> >>> configure the router to assign a different IP to each machine and
> >>> all should work well. I've played with my router but I have no idea
> >>> how to assign a seperate IP to each machine.
> >>
> >> Log into the router, tell it to act as DHCP server and
> >> set the max # of clients to >= 2.
> >>
> >> Make sure the PCs are set to Obtain an IP Address auto-
> >> matically.
> >

Thank you for thr kind replies and help.

IP's have been assigned to both computers, and Firewalls on both computers
have been set to "trust" the IP of the other machine. When using the "Add A
Network place" function of XP both computers the browsing option indicates
that the computers can "see" each other on the workgroup but I still cannot
access one computer from the other, or swap files between them.

Am I missing something simple, or do I need more then just a router to make
this work?

SC

Seti Cruncher

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Apr 26, 2004, 12:39:44 PM4/26/04

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"Seti Cruncher" <SetiCruncher@"NOSPAM"WildMail.com> wrote in message
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o.k. now this is getting maddening, computer #1 can see both itself and
computer #2 in the workgroup. But Computer #2 can't even see itself or
Computer #1 in the workgroup.

(sigh's) either its too simple to grasp or I'm too simple to understand it,
lol

SC

Kadaitcha Man

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Apr 26, 2004, 4:23:52 PM4/26/04

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us...@nix.net wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 19:29:34 +1000, "Kadaitcha Man"
> <nos...@kadaitcha.cx>:
>
>> Z wrote:
>>> Seti Cruncher wrote:
>>>> Talking to a local computer Tech he tells me no problem just
>>>> configure the router to assign a different IP to each machine and
>>>> all should work well. I've played with my router but I have no idea
>>>> how to assign a seperate IP to each machine.
>>>
>>> Log into the router, tell it to act as DHCP server and
>>> set the max # of clients to >= 2.
>>>
>>> Make sure the PCs are set to Obtain an IP Address auto-
>>> matically.
>>
>> BWAGAGAGAGAGAGAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
>>
>
> Hey, that's right though

It's also noty necessary, so go fuck yourself with a broken bottle.

Z

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Apr 26, 2004, 8:42:48 PM4/26/04

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us...@nix.net wrote:
> You can be extra clever and set up some perm assigned leases as well.
> Just get the MAC address of each NIC and in the DHCP config section
> of the routers' admin facility, set a 'fixed IP address' for each address.
> Like So:
> MAC: 00:0f:95:2e:d6:d6 | IP: 192.168.1.10
> etc.

I haven't yet seen a consumer-grade router that has that feature.
What router are you using?

> Stick with Lucent, or Cisco, and not crappy domestic D-Link or Netgear etc.
> Unfortunately most providers in AUS stick with these, 'cause they reckon
> they're bomb proof - LOL

That (going with Cisco/Lucent/etc instead of Linksys/Netgear/etc)
would turn a $30 expenditure into a $200 one. And the professional
grade routers are MUCH harder to set up properly.

Z

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Apr 26, 2004, 8:43:33 PM4/26/04

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Seti Cruncher wrote:
> IP's have been assigned to both computers, and Firewalls on both computers
> have been set to "trust" the IP of the other machine. When using the "Add A
> Network place" function of XP both computers the browsing option indicates
> that the computers can "see" each other on the workgroup but I still cannot
> access one computer from the other, or swap files between them.
>
> Am I missing something simple, or do I need more then just a router to make
> this work?

Is this XP Home or XP Pro?

us...@nix.net

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Apr 26, 2004, 9:29:03 PM4/26/04

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On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 17:42:48 -0700, Z <z...@no.spam>:

*oh my*

Seti Cruncher

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Apr 26, 2004, 11:14:52 PM4/26/04

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">
> Is this XP Home or XP Pro?

Both Systems are running XP Pro.

SC

us...@nix.net

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Apr 27, 2004, 12:30:06 AM4/27/04

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On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 06:23:52 +1000, "Kadaitcha Man" <nos...@kadaitcha.cx>:

>us...@nix.net wrote:
>> On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 19:29:34 +1000, "Kadaitcha Man"
>> <nos...@kadaitcha.cx>:
>>
>>> Z wrote:
>>>> Seti Cruncher wrote:
>>>>> Talking to a local computer Tech he tells me no problem just
>>>>> configure the router to assign a different IP to each machine and
>>>>> all should work well. I've played with my router but I have no idea
>>>>> how to assign a seperate IP to each machine.
>>>>
>>>> Log into the router, tell it to act as DHCP server and
>>>> set the max # of clients to >= 2.
>>>>
>>>> Make sure the PCs are set to Obtain an IP Address auto-
>>>> matically.
>>>
>>> BWAGAGAGAGAGAGAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
>>>
>>
>> Hey, that's right though
>
>It's also noty necessary, so go fuck yourself with a broken bottle.

I recall you mentioning that you had several computers on your LAN, yes.

Can you appreciate the superlatives of being able to configure the IP
addresses, DNS servers, lease times, domains, netbios info, routing/gateway
etc. for all of your workstations, from a single point? Rather than have to
go around and do it all manually, how inefficient and annoying.

DHCP is pretty darn comprehensive when you get down into it you know,
even if you are doing it from some cheap DSL modem/router.

What sort of DSL modem/router do you have? <grin>

Z

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Apr 27, 2004, 1:55:29 AM4/27/04

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us...@nix.net wrote:
> I recall you mentioning that you had several computers on your LAN, yes.

Why do you bother responding to Kadaitcha Man?

Killfile the jagoff like most here have.

us...@nix.net

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Apr 27, 2004, 2:18:00 AM4/27/04

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On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 22:55:29 -0700, Z <z...@no.spam>:

>us...@nix.net wrote:
>> I recall you mentioning that you had several computers on your LAN, yes.
>
>Why do you bother responding to Kadaitcha Man?

Why are you here? Certainly not because you want to learn about Windows XP,
or help others *oh my*. Mind you, people really should have some *core*
tcp/ip knowledge, and most PC experts don't - this becomes a problem when
people need to be able to show a packet dump to isolate certain traffic
requests in order to troubleshoot SMB issues, for example.

Sardonically, Windows XP looks and feels like a memory of my little sisters
5th birthday party, with clowns, multi-colored cup cakes and all her
friends mum's totally pinned on benzodiazepines.

>
>Killfile the jagoff like most here have.

Where's the fun in that? *PLONK* is just for effect these days, as you will
invariably get a response from some k00k a week after he claimed to have
killfiled you.

Kadaitcha Man

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Apr 27, 2004, 4:32:49 AM4/27/04

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us...@nix.net wrote:

> Can you appreciate the superlatives of being able to configure the

> ... lease times ... Rather than have to go around and do it all
> manually

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Clark Craig

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Apr 27, 2004, 5:37:06 AM4/27/04

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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

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Apr 27, 2004, 6:09:07 AM4/27/04

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us...@nix.net wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 18:32:49 +1000, "Kadaitcha Man"
> <nos...@kadaitcha.cx>:
>
>> us...@nix.net wrote:
>>
>>> Can you appreciate the superlatives of being able to configure the
>>> ... lease times ... Rather than have to go around and do it all
>>> manually
>>
>> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
>
> ...so you do know how to do stuff, good for you.

Your admission to not knowing how to do stuff is accepted.

relic

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Apr 27, 2004, 10:30:34 AM4/27/04

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*Plonk*

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Guardian of alt.os.windows-xp

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Apr 27, 2004, 11:14:25 AM4/27/04

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You did enable sharing of drives didn't you? Windowz Explorer, right
click on the drive and select "share and security". If sharing isn't
enabled, you can see the computer on the network but not see the
drives or access any files on it from the other machine.

As far as your IP addresses are concerned, DHCP is the way to go, if
it works correctly. The setup software should offer you this option
when you do the initial setup.

If not, then you would have to go into Control panel, right click on
lnetwork connections, right click on local area connection, select
properties, then highlight internet protocol tcp/ip, then select
properties and you will be at the screen that you can set static IP
addresses and defauld Gateway. Gateway should be 192.168.0.1 for
both, IP address for your computer should be 192.168.0.2 or higher and
make the other computer 192.168.0.3, subnet mask should be
255.255.255.0 for both. You will need to contact your ISP to find out
the DNS numbers and then put them in the area provided.

Most routers, even the "cheapie" ones, will default to the 192.168.0.1
gateway. If not, then you need to set it to this value manually or
thru the install software that comes with them.

Hope this helps.

Guardian

Seti Cruncher

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Apr 27, 2004, 1:31:43 PM4/27/04

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Thanks Guardian,

I'll give it a shot

SC

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127.0.0.1

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or the OP can read the installation instructions that came with the
router...
by default: the router will have dhcp server enabled and XP machines are set
for dhcp (unless user has changed it by accidentally creating a domain
instead of a workgroup).

firewalls should be disabled when troubleshooting network configs.

-a|ex

Manushag Jasper

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Apr 27, 2004, 5:37:05 AM4/27/04

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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

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Apr 27, 2004, 2:45:42 PM4/27/04

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Idiots like you deserve to be plonked!

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