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Chance Furlong
May 10, 2012, 10:26:23 PM5/10/12
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From Fox News:
http://tinyurl.com/dxxdmg6
Microsoft returning Windows to "the digital dark ages?"
The biggest lawsuit in Microsoft’s history dominated the 90s, when the
company battled accusations that it was stifling browser competition.
Rival Netscape couldn't survive, but the Windows giant was ultimately
forced to strip Internet Explorer from its operating system in a
landmark ruling.
That conflict may be brewing up again.
Mozilla, the developer group behind the popular Firefox browser, argued
Wednesday night that Firefox is being banned from certain versions of
Windows 8, the forthcoming tablet-centric OS from Microsoft, returning
Windows users to the dark ages before competition.
“The upcoming release of Windows, and Microsoft’s browser practices
regarding Windows 8 Metro signal an unwelcome return to the digital dark
ages where users and developers didn’t have browser choices,” wrote
Harvey Anderson, Mozilla general counsel, in a Wednesday night blog post.
A Microsoft spokesman declined FoxNews.com requests for more
information. But the competition had plenty to say.
Anderson argued that Windows 8 RT, a version of the Windows OS rewritten
from the ground up to support the ARM processors powering nearly every
tablet and smartphone today, prohibits any browser but Internet Explorer
from running the classic Windows desktop.
“This means that only Internet Explorer will be able to perform many of
the advanced computing functions vital to modern browsers in terms of
speed, stability, and security to which users have grown accustomed.”
“Given that IE can run in Windows on ARM, there is no technical reason
to conclude other browsers can’t do the same,” Anderson wrote.
His words were emphatically echoed by Google, maker of the Chrome browser.
“We share the concerns Mozilla has raised regarding the Windows 8
environment restricting user choice and innovation,” a Google
spokeswoman told FoxNews.com. “We've always welcomed innovation in the
browser space across all platforms and strongly believe that having
great competitors makes us all work harder."
"In the end, consumers and developers benefit the most from robust
competition.”
The issue is how the application is written. Some Windows apps rely on
the powerful Win32 APIs Microsoft has built for programmers, apps like
Adobe Photoshop and Microsoft Word. They won’t run on ARM-powered
Windows devices (basically any Windows tablets).
Those APIs are necessary for modern browsers, argued Mozilla spokesman
Asa Dotzler -- and only Internet Explorer will have access.
“Without that access, no other browser has a prayer of being competitive
with IE,” he wrote.
Windows on ARM, or Windows 8 RT, is clearly planned for tablets, and the
forthcoming OS has been redesigned to support such devices, with a brand
new touch interface called Metro. Anderson said he worries about the
larger market.
"The forecast suggests ARM [chips] will move into traditional PCs and
laptops," he told FoxNews.com. ARM chips are already in servers, he noted.
"Our concern is that, as ARM transitions into traditional PC and
laptops, we could end up in a place where because it’s Windows RT,
there’s no browser choice."
http://tinyurl.com/dxxdmg6
Microsoft returning Windows to "the digital dark ages?"
The biggest lawsuit in Microsoft’s history dominated the 90s, when the
company battled accusations that it was stifling browser competition.
Rival Netscape couldn't survive, but the Windows giant was ultimately
forced to strip Internet Explorer from its operating system in a
landmark ruling.
That conflict may be brewing up again.
Mozilla, the developer group behind the popular Firefox browser, argued
Wednesday night that Firefox is being banned from certain versions of
Windows 8, the forthcoming tablet-centric OS from Microsoft, returning
Windows users to the dark ages before competition.
“The upcoming release of Windows, and Microsoft’s browser practices
regarding Windows 8 Metro signal an unwelcome return to the digital dark
ages where users and developers didn’t have browser choices,” wrote
Harvey Anderson, Mozilla general counsel, in a Wednesday night blog post.
A Microsoft spokesman declined FoxNews.com requests for more
information. But the competition had plenty to say.
Anderson argued that Windows 8 RT, a version of the Windows OS rewritten
from the ground up to support the ARM processors powering nearly every
tablet and smartphone today, prohibits any browser but Internet Explorer
from running the classic Windows desktop.
“This means that only Internet Explorer will be able to perform many of
the advanced computing functions vital to modern browsers in terms of
speed, stability, and security to which users have grown accustomed.”
“Given that IE can run in Windows on ARM, there is no technical reason
to conclude other browsers can’t do the same,” Anderson wrote.
His words were emphatically echoed by Google, maker of the Chrome browser.
“We share the concerns Mozilla has raised regarding the Windows 8
environment restricting user choice and innovation,” a Google
spokeswoman told FoxNews.com. “We've always welcomed innovation in the
browser space across all platforms and strongly believe that having
great competitors makes us all work harder."
"In the end, consumers and developers benefit the most from robust
competition.”
The issue is how the application is written. Some Windows apps rely on
the powerful Win32 APIs Microsoft has built for programmers, apps like
Adobe Photoshop and Microsoft Word. They won’t run on ARM-powered
Windows devices (basically any Windows tablets).
Those APIs are necessary for modern browsers, argued Mozilla spokesman
Asa Dotzler -- and only Internet Explorer will have access.
“Without that access, no other browser has a prayer of being competitive
with IE,” he wrote.
Windows on ARM, or Windows 8 RT, is clearly planned for tablets, and the
forthcoming OS has been redesigned to support such devices, with a brand
new touch interface called Metro. Anderson said he worries about the
larger market.
"The forecast suggests ARM [chips] will move into traditional PCs and
laptops," he told FoxNews.com. ARM chips are already in servers, he noted.
"Our concern is that, as ARM transitions into traditional PC and
laptops, we could end up in a place where because it’s Windows RT,
there’s no browser choice."
John Slade
May 10, 2012, 11:58:11 PM5/10/12
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On 5/10/2012 7:26 PM, Chance Furlong wrote:
> From Fox News:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/dxxdmg6
>
> Microsoft returning Windows to "the digital dark ages?"
>
> The biggest lawsuit in Microsoft’s history dominated the 90s,
> when the company battled accusations that it was stifling
> browser competition. Rival Netscape couldn't survive, but the
> Windows giant was ultimately forced to strip Internet Explorer
> from its operating system in a landmark ruling.
They were NOT forced to strip anything from anything.
> From Fox News:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/dxxdmg6
>
> Microsoft returning Windows to "the digital dark ages?"
>
> The biggest lawsuit in Microsoft’s history dominated the 90s,
> when the company battled accusations that it was stifling
> browser competition. Rival Netscape couldn't survive, but the
> Windows giant was ultimately forced to strip Internet Explorer
> from its operating system in a landmark ruling.
They were forced to make it easy to uninstall Internet Explorer
from Windows. That decision had little or no effect. Microsoft
was the first or one of the first to include a web browser in
their OS. Now Apple OS X, Linux distributions and Windows come
with a free browser. They can also download free browsers like
Opera and Firefox. Microsoft was innovative in including the
browser. Apple and others copied them.
John
Alan Baker
May 11, 2012, 12:01:23 AM5/11/12
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In article <o70rr.4655$On2....@newsfe16.iad>,
--
"The iPhone doesn't have...
...well, since Edwin seems to have finally crawled away for good,
I guess I'll let him off the hook
John Slade <hhit...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> On 5/10/2012 7:26 PM, Chance Furlong wrote:
> > From Fox News:
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/dxxdmg6
> >
> > Microsoft returning Windows to "the digital dark ages?"
> >
> > The biggest lawsuit in Microsoft零 history dominated the 90s,
> On 5/10/2012 7:26 PM, Chance Furlong wrote:
> > From Fox News:
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/dxxdmg6
> >
> > Microsoft returning Windows to "the digital dark ages?"
> >
> > when the company battled accusations that it was stifling
> > browser competition. Rival Netscape couldn't survive, but the
> > Windows giant was ultimately forced to strip Internet Explorer
> > from its operating system in a landmark ruling.
>
> They were NOT forced to strip anything from anything.
> They were forced to make it easy to uninstall Internet Explorer
> from Windows. That decision had little or no effect. Microsoft
> was the first or one of the first to include a web browser in
> their OS. Now Apple OS X, Linux distributions and Windows come
> with a free browser. They can also download free browsers like
> Opera and Firefox. Microsoft was innovative in including the
> browser. Apple and others copied them.
>
> John
John Slade: finishing all his koolaid for more than twenty years!
> > browser competition. Rival Netscape couldn't survive, but the
> > Windows giant was ultimately forced to strip Internet Explorer
> > from its operating system in a landmark ruling.
>
> They were NOT forced to strip anything from anything.
> They were forced to make it easy to uninstall Internet Explorer
> from Windows. That decision had little or no effect. Microsoft
> was the first or one of the first to include a web browser in
> their OS. Now Apple OS X, Linux distributions and Windows come
> with a free browser. They can also download free browsers like
> Opera and Firefox. Microsoft was innovative in including the
> browser. Apple and others copied them.
>
> John
--
"The iPhone doesn't have...
...well, since Edwin seems to have finally crawled away for good,
I guess I'll let him off the hook
Steve de Mena
May 12, 2012, 7:12:26 AM5/12/12
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On 5/10/12 7:26 PM, Chance Furlong wrote:
> From Fox News:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/dxxdmg6
>
> Microsoft returning Windows to "the digital dark ages?"
>
> The biggest lawsuit in Microsoft’s history dominated the 90s, when the
> company battled accusations that it was stifling browser competition.
> Rival Netscape couldn't survive, but the Windows giant was ultimately
> forced to strip Internet Explorer from its operating system in a
> landmark ruling.
>
> That conflict may be brewing up again.
>
> Mozilla, the developer group behind the popular Firefox browser,
> argued Wednesday night that Firefox is being banned from certain
> versions of Windows 8, the forthcoming tablet-centric OS from
> Microsoft, returning Windows users to the dark ages before competition.
Sort of like how other full browsers are banned from iOS?
> From Fox News:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/dxxdmg6
>
> Microsoft returning Windows to "the digital dark ages?"
>
> The biggest lawsuit in Microsoft’s history dominated the 90s, when the
> company battled accusations that it was stifling browser competition.
> Rival Netscape couldn't survive, but the Windows giant was ultimately
> forced to strip Internet Explorer from its operating system in a
> landmark ruling.
>
> That conflict may be brewing up again.
>
> Mozilla, the developer group behind the popular Firefox browser,
> argued Wednesday night that Firefox is being banned from certain
> versions of Windows 8, the forthcoming tablet-centric OS from
> Microsoft, returning Windows users to the dark ages before competition.
Steve
Lloyd
May 12, 2012, 8:57:22 AM5/12/12
to
In article <Bu-dnUcz4J8G2DPS...@giganews.com>,
Steve de Mena <st...@demena.com> wrote:
> On 5/10/12 7:26 PM, Chance Furlong wrote:
> > From Fox News:
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/dxxdmg6
> >
> > Microsoft returning Windows to "the digital dark ages?"
> >
> > The biggest lawsuit in Microsoftąs history dominated the 90s, when the
> On 5/10/12 7:26 PM, Chance Furlong wrote:
> > From Fox News:
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/dxxdmg6
> >
> > Microsoft returning Windows to "the digital dark ages?"
> >
> > company battled accusations that it was stifling browser competition.
> > Rival Netscape couldn't survive, but the Windows giant was ultimately
> > forced to strip Internet Explorer from its operating system in a
> > landmark ruling.
> >
> > That conflict may be brewing up again.
> >
> > Mozilla, the developer group behind the popular Firefox browser,
> > argued Wednesday night that Firefox is being banned from certain
> > versions of Windows 8, the forthcoming tablet-centric OS from
> > Microsoft, returning Windows users to the dark ages before competition.
>
> Sort of like how other full browsers are banned from iOS?
>
> Steve
I know there are a number of web browsers for iOS, so what was banned?
> > Rival Netscape couldn't survive, but the Windows giant was ultimately
> > forced to strip Internet Explorer from its operating system in a
> > landmark ruling.
> >
> > That conflict may be brewing up again.
> >
> > Mozilla, the developer group behind the popular Firefox browser,
> > argued Wednesday night that Firefox is being banned from certain
> > versions of Windows 8, the forthcoming tablet-centric OS from
> > Microsoft, returning Windows users to the dark ages before competition.
>
> Sort of like how other full browsers are banned from iOS?
>
> Steve
Redjak
May 12, 2012, 9:42:33 AM5/12/12
to
"Lloyd" wrote in message
news:lloydparsons-DF10...@news.eternal-september.org...
In article <Bu-dnUcz4J8G2DPS...@giganews.com>,
Steve de Mena <st...@demena.com> wrote:
> On 5/10/12 7:26 PM, Chance Furlong wrote:
> > From Fox News:
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/dxxdmg6
> >
> > Microsoft returning Windows to "the digital dark ages?"
> >
> > the
> > company battled accusations that it was stifling browser
> > competition.
> > Rival Netscape couldn't survive, but the Windows giant was
> > ultimately
> > forced to strip Internet Explorer from its operating system in a
> > landmark ruling.
> >
> > That conflict may be brewing up again.
> >
> > Mozilla, the developer group behind the popular Firefox browser,
> > argued Wednesday night that Firefox is being banned from certain
> > versions of Windows 8, the forthcoming tablet-centric OS from
> > Microsoft, returning Windows users to the dark ages before
> > competition.
>
> Sort of like how other full browsers are banned from iOS?
>
> Steve
>I know there are a number of web browsers for iOS, so what was
>banned?
http://www.quora.com/WebKit/Are-all-web-browsers-on-iOS-required-to-use-the-WebKit-kernel
> > company battled accusations that it was stifling browser
> > competition.
> > Rival Netscape couldn't survive, but the Windows giant was
> > ultimately
> > forced to strip Internet Explorer from its operating system in a
> > landmark ruling.
> >
> > That conflict may be brewing up again.
> >
> > Mozilla, the developer group behind the popular Firefox browser,
> > argued Wednesday night that Firefox is being banned from certain
> > versions of Windows 8, the forthcoming tablet-centric OS from
> > Microsoft, returning Windows users to the dark ages before
> > competition.
>
> Sort of like how other full browsers are banned from iOS?
>
> Steve
>I know there are a number of web browsers for iOS, so what was
>banned?
Lloyd
May 12, 2012, 2:35:33 PM5/12/12
to
In article <jolpc5$d5d$1...@dont-email.me>,
"Redjak" <rjac...@frointiernet.net> wrote:
> "Lloyd" wrote in message
> news:lloydparsons-DF10...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> In article <Bu-dnUcz4J8G2DPS...@giganews.com>,
> Steve de Mena <st...@demena.com> wrote:
>
> > On 5/10/12 7:26 PM, Chance Furlong wrote:
> > > From Fox News:
> > >
> > > http://tinyurl.com/dxxdmg6
> > >
> > > Microsoft returning Windows to "the digital dark ages?"
> > >
> > > The biggest lawsuit in Microsoftąs history dominated the 90s, when
> "Lloyd" wrote in message
> news:lloydparsons-DF10...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> In article <Bu-dnUcz4J8G2DPS...@giganews.com>,
> Steve de Mena <st...@demena.com> wrote:
>
> > On 5/10/12 7:26 PM, Chance Furlong wrote:
> > > From Fox News:
> > >
> > > http://tinyurl.com/dxxdmg6
> > >
> > > Microsoft returning Windows to "the digital dark ages?"
> > >
> > > the
> > > company battled accusations that it was stifling browser
> > > competition.
> > > Rival Netscape couldn't survive, but the Windows giant was
> > > ultimately
> > > forced to strip Internet Explorer from its operating system in a
> > > landmark ruling.
> > >
> > > That conflict may be brewing up again.
> > >
> > > Mozilla, the developer group behind the popular Firefox browser,
> > > argued Wednesday night that Firefox is being banned from certain
> > > versions of Windows 8, the forthcoming tablet-centric OS from
> > > Microsoft, returning Windows users to the dark ages before
> > > competition.
> >
> > Sort of like how other full browsers are banned from iOS?
> >
> > Steve
>
> >I know there are a number of web browsers for iOS, so what was
> >banned?
>
> http://www.quora.com/WebKit/Are-all-web-browsers-on-iOS-required-to-use-the-We
> bKit-kernel
Interesting. I didn't know that.
> > > company battled accusations that it was stifling browser
> > > competition.
> > > Rival Netscape couldn't survive, but the Windows giant was
> > > ultimately
> > > forced to strip Internet Explorer from its operating system in a
> > > landmark ruling.
> > >
> > > That conflict may be brewing up again.
> > >
> > > Mozilla, the developer group behind the popular Firefox browser,
> > > argued Wednesday night that Firefox is being banned from certain
> > > versions of Windows 8, the forthcoming tablet-centric OS from
> > > Microsoft, returning Windows users to the dark ages before
> > > competition.
> >
> > Sort of like how other full browsers are banned from iOS?
> >
> > Steve
>
> >I know there are a number of web browsers for iOS, so what was
> >banned?
>
> http://www.quora.com/WebKit/Are-all-web-browsers-on-iOS-required-to-use-the-We
> bKit-kernel
Steve de Mena
May 12, 2012, 6:52:59 PM5/12/12
to
On 5/12/12 5:57 AM, Lloyd wrote:
> In article<Bu-dnUcz4J8G2DPS...@giganews.com>,
> Steve de Mena<st...@demena.com> wrote:
>
>> On 5/10/12 7:26 PM, Chance Furlong wrote:
>>> From Fox News:
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/dxxdmg6
>>>
>>> Microsoft returning Windows to "the digital dark ages?"
>>>
>>> The biggest lawsuit in Microsoft零 history dominated the 90s, when the
> In article<Bu-dnUcz4J8G2DPS...@giganews.com>,
> Steve de Mena<st...@demena.com> wrote:
>
>> On 5/10/12 7:26 PM, Chance Furlong wrote:
>>> From Fox News:
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/dxxdmg6
>>>
>>> Microsoft returning Windows to "the digital dark ages?"
>>>
>>> company battled accusations that it was stifling browser competition.
>>> Rival Netscape couldn't survive, but the Windows giant was ultimately
>>> forced to strip Internet Explorer from its operating system in a
>>> landmark ruling.
>>>
>>> That conflict may be brewing up again.
>>>
>>> Mozilla, the developer group behind the popular Firefox browser,
>>> argued Wednesday night that Firefox is being banned from certain
>>> versions of Windows 8, the forthcoming tablet-centric OS from
>>> Microsoft, returning Windows users to the dark ages before competition.
>>
>> Sort of like how other full browsers are banned from iOS?
>>
>> Steve
>
> I know there are a number of web browsers for iOS, so what was banned?
FULL browsers, not apps that are re-skinned Safari browsers or proxy
>>> Rival Netscape couldn't survive, but the Windows giant was ultimately
>>> forced to strip Internet Explorer from its operating system in a
>>> landmark ruling.
>>>
>>> That conflict may be brewing up again.
>>>
>>> Mozilla, the developer group behind the popular Firefox browser,
>>> argued Wednesday night that Firefox is being banned from certain
>>> versions of Windows 8, the forthcoming tablet-centric OS from
>>> Microsoft, returning Windows users to the dark ages before competition.
>>
>> Sort of like how other full browsers are banned from iOS?
>>
>> Steve
>
> I know there are a number of web browsers for iOS, so what was banned?
browsers like "Opera Mini" that retrieve the web page on their own
server then pull it to you compressed as a static web page (requiring
you to retrieve the whole page again if there is any active content
like a pulldown calendar window
Steve
Steve de Mena
May 12, 2012, 6:55:03 PM5/12/12
to
On 5/12/12 11:35 AM, Lloyd wrote:
>>> Sort of like how other full browsers are banned from iOS?
>>>
>>> Steve
>>
>>> I know there are a number of web browsers for iOS, so what was
>>> banned?
>>
>> http://www.quora.com/WebKit/Are-all-web-browsers-on-iOS-required-to-use-the-We
>> bKit-kernel
>
> Interesting. I didn't know that.
Foxnews should have known that.
>>> Sort of like how other full browsers are banned from iOS?
>>>
>>> Steve
>>
>>> I know there are a number of web browsers for iOS, so what was
>>> banned?
>>
>> http://www.quora.com/WebKit/Are-all-web-browsers-on-iOS-required-to-use-the-We
>> bKit-kernel
>
> Interesting. I didn't know that.
Steve
Joe Zeff
May 13, 2012, 1:49:26 AM5/13/12
to
On Sat, 12 May 2012 15:52:59 -0700, Steve de Mena wrote:
> FULL browsers, not apps that are re-skinned Safari browsers or proxy
> browsers like "Opera Mini" that retrieve the web page on their own
> server then pull it to you compressed as a static web page (requiring
> you to retrieve the whole page again if there is any active content like
> a pulldown calendar window
And that means that if their servers go down[1] or lose connectivity,
> FULL browsers, not apps that are re-skinned Safari browsers or proxy
> browsers like "Opera Mini" that retrieve the web page on their own
> server then pull it to you compressed as a static web page (requiring
> you to retrieve the whole page again if there is any active content like
> a pulldown calendar window
you're "browser" is dead in the water. Smooth move, Mr. Exlax!
[1]Yes, yes, I know: nice servers don't go down.
--
Joe Zeff -- The Guy With The Sideburns:
http://www.zeff.us http://www.lasfs.info
I've been working like I was still in Egypt.
Alan Baker
May 14, 2012, 12:09:40 AM5/14/12
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In article <PtGdnXMLZJJWdDPS...@giganews.com>,
I'm sorry, but using WebKit doesn't make something a "re-skinned Safari"
nor does it suddenly make you dependent on outside servers.
So what precisely was banned?
nor does it suddenly make you dependent on outside servers.
So what precisely was banned?
Steve de Mena
May 15, 2012, 9:37:22 PM5/15/12
to
On 5/13/12 9:09 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> In article<PtGdnXMLZJJWdDPS...@giganews.com>,
> Steve de Mena<st...@demena.com> wrote:
>
>> On 5/12/12 5:57 AM, Lloyd wrote:
>>> In article<Bu-dnUcz4J8G2DPS...@giganews.com>,
>>> Steve de Mena<st...@demena.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/10/12 7:26 PM, Chance Furlong wrote:
>>>>> From Fox News:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/dxxdmg6
>>>>>
>>>>> Microsoft returning Windows to "the digital dark ages?"
>>>>>
>>>>> The biggest lawsuit in Microsoftąs history dominated the 90s, when the
> In article<PtGdnXMLZJJWdDPS...@giganews.com>,
> Steve de Mena<st...@demena.com> wrote:
>
>> On 5/12/12 5:57 AM, Lloyd wrote:
>>> In article<Bu-dnUcz4J8G2DPS...@giganews.com>,
>>> Steve de Mena<st...@demena.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/10/12 7:26 PM, Chance Furlong wrote:
>>>>> From Fox News:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/dxxdmg6
>>>>>
>>>>> Microsoft returning Windows to "the digital dark ages?"
>>>>>
>>>>> company battled accusations that it was stifling browser competition.
>>>>> Rival Netscape couldn't survive, but the Windows giant was ultimately
>>>>> forced to strip Internet Explorer from its operating system in a
>>>>> landmark ruling.
>>>>>
>>>>> That conflict may be brewing up again.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mozilla, the developer group behind the popular Firefox browser,
>>>>> argued Wednesday night that Firefox is being banned from certain
>>>>> versions of Windows 8, the forthcoming tablet-centric OS from
>>>>> Microsoft, returning Windows users to the dark ages before competition.
>>>>
>>>> Sort of like how other full browsers are banned from iOS?
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>
>>> I know there are a number of web browsers for iOS, so what was banned?
>>
>> FULL browsers, not apps that are re-skinned Safari browsers or proxy
>> browsers like "Opera Mini" that retrieve the web page on their own
>> server then pull it to you compressed as a static web page (requiring
>> you to retrieve the whole page again if there is any active content
>> like a pulldown calendar window
>>
>> Steve
>
> I'm sorry, but using WebKit doesn't make something a "re-skinned Safari"
> nor does it suddenly make you dependent on outside servers.
>
> So what precisely was banned?
You have to use WebKit and the iPhone SDK. Has it been fixed where
>>>>> Rival Netscape couldn't survive, but the Windows giant was ultimately
>>>>> forced to strip Internet Explorer from its operating system in a
>>>>> landmark ruling.
>>>>>
>>>>> That conflict may be brewing up again.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mozilla, the developer group behind the popular Firefox browser,
>>>>> argued Wednesday night that Firefox is being banned from certain
>>>>> versions of Windows 8, the forthcoming tablet-centric OS from
>>>>> Microsoft, returning Windows users to the dark ages before competition.
>>>>
>>>> Sort of like how other full browsers are banned from iOS?
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>
>>> I know there are a number of web browsers for iOS, so what was banned?
>>
>> FULL browsers, not apps that are re-skinned Safari browsers or proxy
>> browsers like "Opera Mini" that retrieve the web page on their own
>> server then pull it to you compressed as a static web page (requiring
>> you to retrieve the whole page again if there is any active content
>> like a pulldown calendar window
>>
>> Steve
>
> I'm sorry, but using WebKit doesn't make something a "re-skinned Safari"
> nor does it suddenly make you dependent on outside servers.
>
> So what precisely was banned?
popup links won't work with third party browsers? They used to work
only with Mobile Safari.
You can't change the default browser to something other than Mobile
Safari. So URLs in emails, etc, open Mobile Safari and not your 3rd
party browser.
Steve
Alan Baker
May 15, 2012, 9:44:35 PM5/15/12
to
In article <M5OdnY5rpK9JmS7S...@giganews.com>,
So... ...nothing has been banned, then?
Steve de Mena <st...@demena.com> wrote:
> On 5/13/12 9:09 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> > In article<PtGdnXMLZJJWdDPS...@giganews.com>,
> > Steve de Mena<st...@demena.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 5/12/12 5:57 AM, Lloyd wrote:
> >>> In article<Bu-dnUcz4J8G2DPS...@giganews.com>,
> >>> Steve de Mena<st...@demena.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 5/10/12 7:26 PM, Chance Furlong wrote:
> >>>>> From Fox News:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://tinyurl.com/dxxdmg6
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Microsoft returning Windows to "the digital dark ages?"
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The biggest lawsuit in Microsoft零 history dominated the 90s, when the
> On 5/13/12 9:09 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> > In article<PtGdnXMLZJJWdDPS...@giganews.com>,
> > Steve de Mena<st...@demena.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 5/12/12 5:57 AM, Lloyd wrote:
> >>> In article<Bu-dnUcz4J8G2DPS...@giganews.com>,
> >>> Steve de Mena<st...@demena.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 5/10/12 7:26 PM, Chance Furlong wrote:
> >>>>> From Fox News:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://tinyurl.com/dxxdmg6
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Microsoft returning Windows to "the digital dark ages?"
> >>>>>
Rob
May 17, 2012, 8:09:43 AM5/17/12
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On 11/05/2012 03:26, Chance Furlong wrote:
> From Fox News:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/dxxdmg6
>
> Microsoft returning Windows to "the digital dark ages?"
You mean like Apple, where you can only download 'approved' stuff
> From Fox News:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/dxxdmg6
>
> Microsoft returning Windows to "the digital dark ages?"
and then have to pay for the privilege?
Lloyd
May 17, 2012, 8:43:42 AM5/17/12
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In article <a1k847...@mid.individual.net>,
Only on the iPad/iPod.
You can still get lots of software for the Mac that is not on the App
Store. I'm sure it just slipped your mind when you tried this rather
pathetic troll... :)
You can still get lots of software for the Mac that is not on the App
Store. I'm sure it just slipped your mind when you tried this rather
pathetic troll... :)
deuteros
Jul 6, 2012, 2:24:49 PM7/6/12
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On Sat 12 May 2012 07:12:26a, Steve de Mena <st...@demena.com> wrote in
news:Bu-dnUcz4J8G2DPS...@giganews.com:
> Sort of like how other full browsers are banned from iOS?
Other browsers aren't banned from iOS. You just can't change the default
browser (Safari) without jailbreaking.
news:Bu-dnUcz4J8G2DPS...@giganews.com:
> Sort of like how other full browsers are banned from iOS?
browser (Safari) without jailbreaking.
Michael
Jul 6, 2012, 4:01:01 PM7/6/12
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My goodness - how stridently the fangurls protest.
"John Slade" wrote in message
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Flint
Jul 7, 2012, 2:57:45 PM7/7/12
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page they 'slavishly copied' from Apple's playbook...
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MFB
Steve de Mena
Jul 9, 2012, 1:15:19 PM7/9/12
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browsers like Opera are not true web browsers, they render a page on
their servers and send it to you.
Steve
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