System Restore Change?

[Pfs...@aol.com]

Has the XP system restore process been changed? I can't find
a way now (maybe senility !) to create a restore point or force a
system restore ?? I only find a way to turn it off/on in certain
derives (partitions) or stop it altogether.

[philo]

http://pcsupport.about.com/od/fixtheproblem/ht/system-restore-xp.htm

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On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 11:29:09 -0500, philo�ｿｽ <philo@priv cy.not> wrote:

> On 03/12/2013 11:07 AM, Pfs...@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > Has the XP system restore process been changed? I can't find
> > a way now (maybe senility !) to create a restore point or force a
> > system restore ?? I only find a way to turn it off/on in certain
> > derives (partitions) or stop it altogether.

You can do it from the command line:

%systemroot%\system32\restore\rstrui.exe

> http://pcsupport.about.com/od/fixtheproblem/ht/system-restore-xp.htm

Ignore this, it doesn't answer your question and is merely intended to
get you to look at advertising.
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[Nil]

On 12 Mar 2013, Java Jive <ja...@evij.com.invalid> wrote in
alt.os.windows-xp:

>> http://pcsupport.about.com/od/fixtheproblem/ht/system-restore-xp.htm
>
> Ignore this, it doesn't answer your question and is merely
> intended to get you to look at advertising.

I certainly does answer his question. It tells exactly where to
find, how to start, and how to use System Restore.

I don't see any advertising on that web page.

The OP could have answered his own question in about 2 seconds by typing
"xp system restore" into Google.

[Java Jive]

On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 18:30:16 -0400, Nil
<redn...@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote:
>
> I certainly does answer his question. It tells exactly where to
> find, how to start, and how to use System Restore.

That is not his problem, his problem is that some of the functionality
is missing from the System Restore tab.

> I don't see any advertising on that web page.

It threw up an ad window for me.

> The OP could have answered his own question in about 2 seconds by typing
> "xp system restore" into Google.

Perhaps, but the link given didn't answer his question.

[Nil]

On 12 Mar 2013, Java Jive <ja...@evij.com.invalid> wrote in
alt.os.windows-xp:

> On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 18:30:16 -0400, Nil
><redn...@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> I certainly does answer his question. It tells exactly where to
>> find, how to start, and how to use System Restore.
>>

>> http://pcsupport.about.com/od/fixtheproblem/ht/system-restore-xp.htm

>
> That is not his problem, his problem is that some of the
> functionality is missing from the System Restore tab.

That's not what he said - you're misinterpreting him. He was
obviously looking somewhere other than the main System Restore interface.
The cited article tells him where to find it, specifically,

"Navigate to the Start -> Programs -> Accessories -> System Tools
program group and choose System Restore."

Brings up the same thing as your command line. If any functionality were
missing when he navigated to it from the menu, it would also be missing
when he invoked it with your command line.

[Java Jive]

On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 18:51:50 -0400, Nil
<redn...@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote:

> On 12 Mar 2013, Java Jive <ja...@evij.com.invalid> wrote in
> alt.os.windows-xp:
> >

> > That is not his problem, his problem is that some of the
> > functionality is missing from the System Restore tab.
>
> That's not what he said - you're misinterpreting him.

There are several points of confusion here. Starting with the OP,
he said ...

On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 11:07:51 -0500, Pfs...@aol.com wrote:
>
> Has the XP system restore process been changed? I can't find
> a way now (maybe senility !) to create a restore point or force a
> system restore ?? I only find a way to turn it off/on in certain
> derives (partitions) or stop it altogether

Therefore, it is clear that he has found a System Restore interface,
but doesn't say how. However, it seems reasonable to assume that this
was most probably by choosing System in Control Panel, or
right-clicking My Computer and choosing Properties, and either way
then clicking the System Restore tab.

> He was
> obviously looking somewhere other than the main System Restore interface.

The next point of confusion, and where I and possibly the OP was
mistaken, is that in later versions of Windows, such as 7, the above
IS actually where you manage restore points, etc, and therefore I, and
perhaps he, assumed this was intended to be the same in XP, whereas in
fact one needs to run the app indicated.

The next point of confusion, at least for me, was that this PC, being
a much customised upgrade from W2k, didn't actually have the link in
the System Tools menu - I presume it must have been accidentally
deleted somehow, I've now restored it. Having no other XP PCs to hand
to compare with - I've since borrowed one which showed me my error -
I was led to assume that the OP was probably in a similar situation,
and that perhaps the advice previously given referred to some
particular OEM build.

> The cited article tells him where to find it, specifically,
> "Navigate to the Start -> Programs -> Accessories -> System Tools
> program group and choose System Restore."
> Brings up the same thing as your command line.

Which is to be expected as it turns out the link points to the
command-line program.

> If any functionality were
> missing when he navigated to it from the menu, it would also be missing
> when he invoked it with your command line.

No. If you follow the path given above, you come across what appears
to be the way to manage System Restore, and indeed in later versions
of Windows is, but in XP isn't.

So we were both wrong on some points, and both right on others.

[Nil]

On 13 Mar 2013, Java Jive <ja...@evij.com.invalid> wrote in
alt.os.windows-xp:

> Therefore, it is clear that he has found a System Restore
> interface, but doesn't say how.

Nor are we likely to find out how. This particular poster always asks
vague questions, never provides enough information to answer, never
provides answers to direct questions, and never follows advice offered.
It seems to be a game he plays.

> However, it seems reasonable to
> assume that this was most probably by choosing System in Control
> Panel, or right-clicking My Computer and choosing Properties, and
> either way then clicking the System Restore tab.

Yes, that's a good assumption. You cannot create or restore Restore
Points from there in Windows XP.

> The next point of confusion, and where I and possibly the OP was
> mistaken, is that in later versions of Windows, such as 7, the
> above IS actually where you manage restore points, etc, and
> therefore I, and perhaps he, assumed this was intended to be the
> same in XP, whereas in fact one needs to run the app indicated.

Since this is a Windows XP newsgroup, you made a bad assumption
thinking the question was about Windows 7 or that the interface is the
same as XPs.

> The next point of confusion, at least for me, was that this PC,
> being a much customised upgrade from W2k, didn't actually have the
> link in the System Tools menu - I presume it must have been
> accidentally deleted somehow, I've now restored it. Having no
> other XP PCs to hand to compare with - I've since borrowed one
> which showed me my error - I was led to assume that the OP was
> probably in a similar situation, and that perhaps the advice
> previously given referred to some particular OEM build.

Another bad assumption. The OP made no indication (not that he ever
would) that he was using an OEM version of Windows. I doubt that would
make any difference anyway. As far as I can remember, OEMs don't change
that particular menu.

>> The cited article tells him where to find it, specifically,
>> "Navigate to the Start -> Programs -> Accessories -> System Tools
>> program group and choose System Restore."
>> Brings up the same thing as your command line.
>
> Which is to be expected as it turns out the link points to the
> command-line program.

Of course. So, why are you disputing it?

>> If any functionality were
>> missing when he navigated to it from the menu, it would also be
>> missing when he invoked it with your command line.
>
> No. If you follow the path given above, you come across what
> appears to be the way to manage System Restore, and indeed in
> later versions of Windows is, but in XP isn't.

What??? If you follow the path given above, the one cited in the
article, It brings up the window to manage (create and restore from)
Restore Points. It most certainly DOES exist in Windows XP. I don't
understand what you're disputing here.

> So we were both wrong on some points, and both right on others.

This is really not such a big deal as it sounds like I'm making it, but
I have to say that I wasn't wrong on any of my points.

[Java Jive]

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 16:16:11 -0400, Nil
<redn...@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote:

> On 13 Mar 2013, Java Jive <ja...@evij.com.invalid> wrote in
> alt.os.windows-xp:
>

> This particular poster always asks
> vague questions, never provides enough information to answer, never
> provides answers to direct questions, and never follows advice offered.
> It seems to be a game he plays.

Yes, I'm pretty sure I know who it is, or at least some of his
previous nyms in other ngs.

> Since this is a Windows XP newsgroup, you made a bad assumption
> thinking the question was about Windows 7 or that the interface is the
> same as XPs.

If you are going to be pedantic, then so am I. Read what I said. I
didn't say that I thought the question was about W7, did I? It's just
that, having used both recently, as far as System Restore goes I
muddled the two (as quite possibly did the OP).

> >> Brings up the same thing as your command line.
> >
> > Which is to be expected as it turns out the link points to the
> > command-line program.
>
> Of course. So, why are you disputing it?

As I presume that you're not disputing that I'm not disputing that the
link points to the command-line program, why am I disputing what?

To put it less obtusely, what was 'it' supposed to refer to in that
sentence? ATM it looks like whether or not the link points to the
command-line program.

> > No. If you follow the path given above, you come across what
> > appears to be the way to manage System Restore, and indeed in
> > later versions of Windows is, but in XP isn't.
>
> What??? If you follow the path given above, the one cited in the
> article,

NOT the one cited in the article, the one given ABOVE, about which you
said:

> Yes, that's a good assumption. You cannot create or restore Restore
> Points from there in Windows XP.

> > So we were both wrong on some points, and both right on others.
>
> This is really not such a big deal as it sounds like I'm making it, but
> I have to say that I wasn't wrong on any of my points.

You were wrong about ...

> If any functionality were
> missing when he navigated to it from the menu, it would also be missing
> when he invoked it with your command line.

... because, as we seem to be agreed, it is quite possible to navigate
via the Control Panel, which can be displayed as a menu, to the System
CP, thence to the System Restore tab, and so get to a place where
there is less functionality than is needed to actually use System
Restore.

But hey, as you say, it's not a big deal ... probably amusing the
vainglorious OP far too much for his own sanity.

[Pfs...@aol.com]

My! A simple question sure generated a lot of responses though not
an answer.
I'd simpl forgotten that what I wanted was not in any of the
Control Panel, Admin, or System groups.
It's in START/AllPrograms/Accessories/SystemTools

[Nil]

On 14 Mar 2013, Pfs...@aol.com wrote in alt.os.windows-xp:

> My! A simple question sure generated a lot of responses though not
> an answer.

No? How about in the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 5th, 6th, and 7th responses to your
initial post? In fact, only one of the responses DIDN'T answer your
question.

> I'd simpl forgotten that what I wanted was not in any of the
> Control Panel, Admin, or System groups.
> It's in START/AllPrograms/Accessories/SystemTools

Yes. This was told to you at least 6 different times in this thread.

Are you OK?

[Pfs...@aol.com]

My, a simple question sure induced a strange set of responses!
But, I found what I really ask for in the beginning --I'd simply
forgotten that it isn't in any of the Control Panel, Admoin, or
System groups -- it's