Ubuntu 9.10
Dr. Deb
I downloaded Kubuntu, Xubuntu and UbuntuStudio. They failed the Gateway
test, almost. I did get Xubuntu to load as a LiveCD by turning off
everything I could under "F6" and setting "F4" to "Safe Video" mode and let
it run several hours in that mode before I decided to do an install into a
blank partition. Then the fun began.
All went well until I got to the partitioning. I have only one question
about the partitioner, "What grade school class did they farm the
partitioner software out to?" The wonderful folks at Ubuntu know you are
too stupid to select a partition, so they do it for you, kinda sorta. But
do they allow you any input? Well, technically, yes. You can select
whether you want the entire disk wiped or to install Ubuntu along side
exisiting OS's. But no control over what partition, file system, Swap
location (I have a large existing Swap partition but it would not use it,
instead created a second Swap partition), left a large section of the HD
without any allocation, gave you no control over how to allocate that
unassigned space. As if that were not bad enough, at that point the system
locked up.
Fortunately, it had not written the bootloader to the disk yet and I could
reboot into my old configuration. Rebooted into PCLinuxOS (2009.1) and
restored the partitions on the HD and consigned Ubuntu OS to where I always
have, "The circular file."
I must say this, just to be honest, it system looks good and might be okay
on a clone, but this Gateway GT5220 of mine is very picky on what it allows
to install. Probably a gift in honor os the folks in Redmond, Wa.
Deb
Mike Jones
I was thinking from the start that this looks like a "Windows ready"
hardware problem.
Have you tried Slackware? Its about as "standard" Linux as you can get,
and at least might highlight what the hardware problems might be?
If you want something that "doesn't bite back", try Zenwalk. Its
Slackware in a smooth French sauce. ;)
Or there's VectorLinux, a similar "lukky whut we dun wiv slak!" thing.
www.zenwalk.org
www.vectorlinux.org
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J.O. Aho
You shouldn't multipost, it's really evil, even Bill Gates is nicer than that.
> Fortunately, it had not written the bootloader to the disk yet and I could
> reboot into my old configuration. Rebooted into PCLinuxOS (2009.1) and
> restored the partitions on the HD and consigned Ubuntu OS to where I always
> have, "The circular file."
It's more than enough with one bootloader, the few times I have more than one
Linux installed, I have the same /boot, that way I have one place for grub
files and kernels (of course some of mine run different bootlaoders like
slilo, bootcreator, depending on the architecture).
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Jeff Haferman
> Responding to Dr. Deb:
>
[snip]
>
>
> I was thinking from the start that this looks like a "Windows ready"
> hardware problem.
>
> Have you tried Slackware? Its about as "standard" Linux as you can get,
> and at least might highlight what the hardware problems might be?
>
> If you want something that "doesn't bite back", try Zenwalk. Its
> Slackware in a smooth French sauce. ;)
>
> Or there's VectorLinux, a similar "lukky whut we dun wiv slak!" thing.
>
> www.zenwalk.org
> www.vectorlinux.org
>
Ubuntu gets beat up quite a bit IMO because it's become so popular. I'm
using 9.04 as my main platform simply because there are so many packages
available for it. There should not be any problem with paritioning,
though I have not yet downloaded the 9.10 version [it was just
"officially" released on 10/29, and I wait for others to find the bugs].
You could probably download gparted and do the paritioning manually
first, and *usually* Ubuntu recognizes existing paritions.
Finally, regarding Slackware, it would be wonderful if there were a
repository that had the entire ISO... downloading as a torrent is a
PITA, and the last time I tried I got a checksum error on the resulting
ISO. So I haven't had a chance to try this "wonderful" distro.
I notice the the 64-bit version of zenwalk still appears to be pretty
wobbly, so I'm not going to go that route.
OpenSolaris is pretty nice (is NOT Linux, but deserves to be tried by Linux-lovers),
but, falls way short in the number of packages supported when compared to Ubuntu.
Dr. Deb
Doubtful.
Since not everyone reads both, I thought I would post in both places
Now for the update.
Since I got Xubuntu up and running, kinda sorta. I thought I would give
Kubuntu a try. The LiveCD loaded with the above restraints in "F6"
and "F4" with no problem. I told it to install and the installer looks and
works better in Kubuntu, When the partitioner popped up it looked rather
staight forward. Set up the HD and started the install. I had the
internet connection up and running but when the install got to the "apt"
configuration the install crashed - twice.
I am now in the process of reinstalling PCLinuxOS 2009.1 and will be up in a
few minutes.
So far, and this goes back over several releasses, Ubuntu has the money and
the name, but not the "goods." You know, kinda like another OS company.
Deb
Dr. Deb
J.O. Aho
> J.O. Aho wrote:
>
>> Dr. Deb wrote:
>>
>> You shouldn't multipost, it's really evil, even Bill Gates is nicer than
>> that.
>
> Since not everyone reads both, I thought I would post in both places
If you have to post to more than one group, make a cross post, don't use
follow-up (if you must, you state that in our post), this prevents people to
have to answer the same question as they don't see what someone else has
replied and allows users of both newsgroups to follow the threat without
loosing information.
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//Aho
Dan C
> Finally, regarding Slackware, it would be wonderful if there were a
> repository that had the entire ISO...
There are dozens of them. Look here:
http://www.slackware.com/getslack/
> downloading as a torrent is a PITA, and the last time I tried I got a
> checksum error on the resulting ISO.
Torrents are great, and generally the fastest way to download. Perhaps
you need a better client. I recommend 'transmission'.
> So I haven't had a chance to try this "wonderful" distro.
You've had plenty of chances. You've just blown them all.
> I notice the the 64-bit version of zenwalk still appears to be pretty
> wobbly, so I'm not going to go that route.
Perhaps you should try the rock-solid 64-bit version of Slackware, then.
No excuses left...
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johnny bobby bee
<all stupid shit snipped>
Do you have a question? Or are you just here to publicly proclaim that
you are too stupid to know how to properly partition a disk?
Florian Diesch
> I downloaded Kubuntu, Xubuntu and UbuntuStudio. They failed the Gateway
> test, almost. I did get Xubuntu to load as a LiveCD by turning off
> everything I could under "F6" and setting "F4" to "Safe Video" mode and let
> it run several hours in that mode before I decided to do an install into a
> blank partition. Then the fun began.
>
> All went well until I got to the partitioning. I have only one question
> about the partitioner, "What grade school class did they farm the
> partitioner software out to?" The wonderful folks at Ubuntu know you are
> too stupid to select a partition, so they do it for you, kinda sorta. But
> do they allow you any input? Well, technically, yes. You can select
> whether you want the entire disk wiped or to install Ubuntu along side
> exisiting OS's. But no control over what partition, file system, Swap
> location
If you want to specify partitions manually instead of erasing and using
the entire disk you have to choose "Specify partitions manually" instead
of "Erase and use entire disk". That lets you specify manually which
partitions you want to use.
HTH
Florian
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Mike Jones
[...]
> Finally, regarding Slackware, it would be wonderful if there were a
> repository that had the entire ISO... downloading as a torrent is a
> PITA, and the last time I tried I got a checksum error on the resulting
> ISO. So I haven't had a chance to try this "wonderful" distro.
For your convenience, Slackware.com has a list of working mirrors.
I find that here in the UK, the French ones seem most consistant.
Not had a problem yet with CD or DVD isos.
John Hasler
> Do you have a question?
No. It's a troll. Killfile it.
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Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI USA
Dr. Deb
Will do.
Deb
Jeff Haferman
> On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 23:35:01 +0000, Jeff Haferman wrote:
>
>> Finally, regarding Slackware, it would be wonderful if there were a
>> repository that had the entire ISO...
>
> There are dozens of them. Look here:
>
> http://www.slackware.com/getslack/
doh, not sure how i missed that.
>
>> downloading as a torrent is a PITA, and the last time I tried I got a
>> checksum error on the resulting ISO.
>
> Torrents are great, and generally the fastest way to download. Perhaps
> you need a better client. I recommend 'transmission'.
i've been using utor on a windows box - generally i find that when I try
to download using a torrent, there aren't a lot of seeders out
there...
>
>> So I haven't had a chance to try this "wonderful" distro.
>
> You've had plenty of chances. You've just blown them all.
>
>> I notice the the 64-bit version of zenwalk still appears to be pretty
>> wobbly, so I'm not going to go that route.
>
> Perhaps you should try the rock-solid 64-bit version of Slackware, then.
>
> No excuses left...
I'll give it a shot.